Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a young man, we’ll call him Kyle, who has just broken up with a woman whom he now believes is a sociopath. Based on the behavior he described, I’d say the guy is right. The woman cheated on him, and when confronted, either downplayed her behavior, said it was none of his business, or verbally attacked him. She had no interest in resolving problems. “Her solution to everything was to run, wait awhile, and then pile on affection as if nothing ever happened,” Kyle wrote.
Kyle has been researching sociopathy to try to grasp what is really going on with this woman. Here’s more of his e-mail, which I have reproduced with his permission:
First of all, I don’t believe criminal behavior, monetary fraud, substance abuse, or any other overt signs of social misconduct are primary symptoms of sociopathy. I suppose that’s the big question though… what is a primary sign? My theory is that the sociopath is incapable of developing personal values through the process of induction, meaning they are unable to look within themselves to gain a sense of self-esteem. This results their inability to experience empathy. After all, if one cannot generate a sense of self worth from their own reasoning how can they be expected to relate to others who do?
It seems in every case I have read about, the sociopath is an extravert. I think this is natural as the person must constantly be in contact with others because they find no satisfaction in themselves. Sociopaths also seem to be universally intelligent. (Perhaps these are the factors that differentiate a sociopath from a psychopath. Again, forgive my ignorance on the subject). What results is a charming individual who preys on other people to satisfy an endless hunger for temporary esteem. Because they cannot make sense of the internal values which should be generating this esteem, they simply try to get it from others, essentially reversing cause and effect.
In the end, this system never quite works, so they develop an incredible defense to avoid the fact that every close relationship falls apart. Every interaction is bounded by a series of rules/parameters. So long as the victim stays within these, things run smoothly. However, close human contact results in an emotional trade off that is impossible to control. Normally this is a tremendously good thing: trust, loyalty, and compassion are established. However, these all rely on a person’s sense of self worth, and the sociopath is not able to understand that. Sooner or later the relationship becomes too close and loses all stability. This is the point where the sociopath is “found out.”
In dealing with the woman, I felt a certain childlike quality to her emotions throughout our relationship. Though she was highly developed socially, in a lot of ways I almost felt like I was dealing with a puppy who just killed a small bird in the front yard. I think my mistake was in believing that I would be different. If I held my hand out she wouldn’t bite it. But I think this quality is misleading, as that naiveté is something the sociopath will avoid at all costs. They simply refuse to learn from their mistakes, or even acknowledge them in the first place. It seems to be a rare combination of a highly developed intellect and a poorly developed emotional response.
Perhaps at some point every sociopath learns to guard that core of insecurity at the deepest level and as such cannot even look at that, let alone analyze it and learn from it. In time, they develop an incredibly complex mechanism to guard this, adding another component with each deception. By early adulthood, these deceptions become so many that the cost is just too great to turn back, and it’s just so much easier to keep going that the thought never even crosses their mind.
These people are not normal
Kyle has correctly observed many traits of a sociopath: Criminality, fraud and substance abuse are not necessarily the prime indicators of this personality disorder. Sociopaths do not experience empathy. Sociopaths are extraverts. They are highly developed socially, but emotionally immature. They do not learn from mistakes.
However, his theories on why sociopaths are the way they are suffer from a fatal flaw: They are developed from the perspective of someone who is normal.
The hardest part of understanding what happened during our entanglements with sociopaths is coming to terms the extent to which these people are not normal.
Lovefraud readers have described sociopaths as not human. Aliens inhabiting human bodies. As cold as these descriptions may sound, they’re probably the easiest way to grasp what you are dealing with in a relationship with a sociopath.
So how different are they? Let’s take a look.
What sociopaths want
Normal people want love and harmonious relationships with others. Normal people want to feel competent in some form of endeavor. Normal people want to contribute to the world in some way.
Sociopaths want power, control and sex. Since they do not really value human relationships, they only want to win.
Kyle is correct in stating that sociopaths cannot look within themselves and develop personal values. He is incorrect in assuming that this causes the sociopath distress. Yes, these disordered people are empty inside, and they may be vaguely aware that they are missing something. But most sociopaths do not have issues with their self-esteem. If anything, they are grandiose, and their views of themselves are ridiculously inflated. They feel absolutely entitled to anything that they want, simply because they want it.
Self-esteem and sociopaths
Kyle speculates that sociopaths must be in constant contact with other people because they are trying to borrow self-esteem from others. This is not the case. Sociopaths view people as pawns to be manipulated into giving them what they want. Every social encounter is a potential feeding opportunity, a chance to convince someone to provide something.
Many people, of course, eventually catch on that they are being used, and stop serving as supply to the sociopaths. Sociopaths are aware of this—they’ve experienced it many times. So they are constantly on the lookout for new targets. When one victim is depleted, he or she must be replaced with another.
This leads to the answer to Kyle’s question, which is, “what is a primary sign of sociopathy?” Dr. Leedom has said lying. Steve Becker has said exploitative behavior. Put them together and you can say deceitful exploitation is central to the disorder.
Insecurity and sociopaths
Kyle suggests that sociopaths are insecure and build defense mechanisms to protect themselves from being hurt. By the time they’re adults, these defense mechanisms are so elaborate and complex that sociopaths can’t return to their authentic selves.
Again, he’s trying to interpret the sociopath based on how normal people may cope with personal issues. This is a mistake.
Wikipedia defines insecurity as, “a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving oneself to be unloved, inadequate or worthless.” Sociopaths probably should see themselves as unloved, inadequate or worthless, but they don’t. They may seem to be exhibiting insecurity, but in reality it’s one of two things:
- Frustration that they’re not getting what they want.
- Manipulation tactics to get what they want.
Sociopaths have no feelings, so there are no feelings to hurt. They can certainly pretend to be hurt, but it is a ruse designed to guilt others into giving them what they want.
Genetic roots
So if sociopaths are not trying to protect their deeply felt insecurities, where does this disorder come from? In most cases, the temperamental traits that lead to sociopathy are genetic. That usually means one of the parents is a sociopath, and sociopaths are notoriously bad parents. If a child is born with the traits, bad parenting can make them develop the full disorder.
But even if a child with the traits gets good parenting, the disorder can develop. Parents who have a child at risk of developing sociopathy need to take extra steps to help the child overcome his or her predisposition, but the parents may not realize it. And in some cases, even the best parenting is not enough to overcome negative genetics.
It is also possible for a mostly normal child who has extremely an extremely bad growth experience—such as being moved from foster home to foster home as a baby—can develop the disorder.
Accept and avoid
Please understand that I am not picking on Kyle. He’s obviously given a lot of thought to his experience with a sociopathic woman, and is trying to understand what happened. He has a reasonably good handle on normal behavior and normal motivations.
His letter simply provided me with an opportunity to illustrate that what we know and understand about normal human behavior simply does not apply to sociopaths. Thank you, Kyle, for allowing me to quote you.
In the end, we may not be able to truly comprehend sociopaths. The way they go through life is just too foreign to our natures. We must simply accept that they are very, very different from us, learn to recognize the symptoms, and if we see them, run for the hills.
Eliza: We all know where you are at … at this time in your life. That’s why we tell you … the one and only solution is NO CONTACT.
NO CONTACT by phone.
NO CONTACT by texted e-mails.
NO CONTACT by person or family or friends.
NO CONTACT in your mind, heart and soul.
NO CONTACT, NO CONTACT, NO CONTACT.
They play everyone … any time, any place.
NOW get off that merry go round … it is not healthy for your heart, mind and soul.
A real person does not play these games … and if he were real, you wouldn’t be writing to us or searched for this blog.
You (or any of us) can’t do this on our own … that’s why Donna put this site together … so we can all help each other.
Now, pamper yourself. Take a nice long hot bubble bath. Put some southing music on … preferably jazz at this point in time … and focus your mind on the sound and rhythm of the music.
If he calls … do not answer and absolutely, positively DO NOT LISTEN TO THE MESSAGE left.
HE didn’t care about your precious mind, heart and soul. Only those that love you care.
We care… and you should care about yourself.
Peace.
Eliza: I’m only being hard on you so you finally realize NO CONTACT is the only cure.
I’m sorry for being so ruff on you. I know it’s hard and I know how much it pains you. But, there is no cure for them … they have to acknowledge they have a problem and they have to do the soul searching like all of us have had to do.
That’s what they refuse to do … and the saga continues as the abuse everyone that comes into their space.
Peace … don’t shoot the messenger.
eliza,
I was on that merry go round for almost a year, back and forth. It was not worth the pain and the pain is worse each time and lasts longer each time. PLEASE CUT YOUR LOSSES with this guy. You are young and you don’t need this shit.
it’s hard because we remember and want to hang on to all the good things we had with them, but it’s not real. It is what it is and that kind of behavior doesn’t change. Once a liar always a liar. Don’t do this to yourself.
YOU are in control now. Take it, demand the best for yourself, don’t respond, even if you want to. You have lots of people with experience here.NO CONTACT. And don’t beat yourself up for responding. It’s not about the mistakes you make, it’s about how well you recover. Now recover and don’t do it again LOL. You will be fine if you follow the one rule of No contact.
Wini, I am sorry to shoot the messenger. I think that perhaps you respond to tough love, and I just do not so much. I often say or write things because it helps me to sort things out in my own mind, even when I know what I need to do. I understand where you are coming from though, thank you for trying to help.
I know, I know, he is a crazy horrible liar forever, he only comes back to see if I will react. He is just experimenting with me. I am just sad, I miss how his hair smells.
Dear Eliza,
It is understandable that you WANT the “dream” you had, but unfortunately, the TRUTH is that it is a NIGHTMARE. It isn’t going to change.
It takes time to heal the wounds, believe me, everyone of us here came here WOUNDED TO THE CORE and raw, bleeding and hurting with a big stab wound in our heart. That is where you are right now, and I think each of us is aware of that.
The problem is, as long as he has ANY contact with you, as long as you LISTEN TO ONE WORD, he will continue to control you. Believe me, I am NOT BEING CRITICAL with you! And, I don’t think the others are either, it isn’t about “tough love” or anything else, it is about TRUTH. We can’t recognize that truth FOR YOU, and you can’t recognize it unless you hear it.
The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.
That is a statement from an article here and it is SO TRUE! Accepting the truth was majorly painful for each ofus in our own ways…just like your truth (that he is an asshole) is painful for you, because you loved him and wanted the good things he said, the dream he presented, to be REAL. It is NOT real though. AND, you are NOT powerless over your feelings, you are NOT powerless over him, you do NOT hve to give in when he calls you….YOU ARE POWERFUL AND STRONG, but YOU must exercise that power and that strength.
If you choose NOT to exercise that power and strength, none of us need a crystal ball to know that YOU are the one that will hurt by talking to him, by listening to him. It is easier for us to see it than it is for you to see it, and at the time we were where YOU are, we had trouble seeing it too.
We will be here for you, even if you do things that are counter productive (like talking to him) but at the same time, we will also remind you that talking to him IS counter productive. If you stick your hand in the fire and get burned, we will remind you that fire is hot and you WILL get burned if you stick your hand back into it. When YOU choose to realize that you will get burned EVERY time you stick your hand in the fire, we will still be here….I know I stuck my hand back into the fire “a million times” before I finally figured out that it will ALWAYS burn me. I loved the “fire” and I wanted to hold it, but it kept burning me. “Crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” Believe me I was “crazy” and kept repeating the same mistakes over and over.
Going NO CONTACT will not make you “happy” the first day, you will still experience missing him, dreaming about him, and wanting him to be different but things will slowly get better as you are OUT OF THE FOG longer and longer and start to heal and not be so raw. Having “been there” where you are now, we do pretty well understand the feelings you are having now. Not perfectly understand, but we are pretty close because the Psychopaths are pretty close in the way they treat us and try to suck us back into the FOG of believing their lies and accepting their abuse. Hang on Eliza, I promise you if you go NC it WILL get easier with some time and you are ALWAYS welcome here to post your feelings and your thoughts. NO ONE is condemning you in any way sugar ((((Hugs)))))
Eliza: I know how you feel. We all do.
They never change sweetheart … and there is nothing you or any of us can do for them. In order for them to make any kind of change, they need to slow down and then acknowledge their behavior stinks and they want to change. They don’t change or acknowledge it simply because they don’t want to. It’s as simple as that. As long as you (or any of us keeps taking their crap, the more they will dish it out).
Just think … maybe, just maybe, if we all refused to take their chit … and everyone kicks them to the curb … and their are no more folks they can use … what would they do then? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh, force them to look inside themselves and make some drastic changes.
Nice dream … reality is … there are millions of people on this planet that they haven’t met, used and abused … and the saga continues.
The sooner folks get wised to their selfish ways … maybe, just maybe it will force them to look inside themselves to see where the stink is coming from.
Peace.
eliza,
i miss the way my ex smells too … he smelled like an angel. he was delicious in every way. his arms around me made me melt, even after 25 years. every time i knew i would see him, my heart would race. he made me feel safe. his body was amazing. the sex was stupendous.
but it was all an act.
sucks, don’t it!?
i’d give anything to smell his hair again! but i know if i do, i’m doomed for another year. i have had six months NC, and even still, just listening to a stupid, cruel, lying voice message on friday had me in bed for two days crying.
good point, wini. NEVER listen to the messages. they can draw you in and sting your heart again with just a word.
it’s what they do.
we ALL know how you feel. it is NOT easy. it HURTS like hell. it is the hardest thing i’ve ever had to do … give up on a man i thought was my knight. and in my relationship, he didn’t go really bad/evil until his mom died. but then, he lost ALL boundaries and ALL conscience.
but truth be told, NC is the only thing that saves us from being hurt again.
they are evil. they are devious. they know our weaknesses. and they will claw at the raw spots any chance they can, so we can not expose ourselves to them on any level.
treat yourself well. and just always remember that you can NOT figure him out. you will NEVER know why or how he could say or do such abhorrent things. it’s just how they are.
we are all struggling — one day at a time — to be whole again. all sorts of emotions flow through these pages daily. and they are all okay.
we … are all okay.
Eliza,
Smell is a POWERFUL memory–after my husband was killed, I went into the dirty laundry and dug out the most sweat-stained shirt in there and put it in a plastic bag so it would retain the smell of him (even his sweat) as long as possible. I would take that shirt in the bag with me to bed at night and crack the seal just enough to smell a little “whiff” of him, then seal it up and cry myself to sleep.
It is funny how smells of certain kinds tweek our memories. There are some smells that most people do NOT like that if they are associated with a pleasant memory will be perceived as pleasant.
My son LIKES the smell of skunk which makes me SICK, but he likes it because when he was little his dad would put skunk smell on his clothes to cover his human scent when he took D out to the woods to hunt and D still associates that skunk smell with the pleasure he got from going with his dad to hunt.
The smell of our partners may not even be “noticed” when we are actually smelling it, but after they are gone, it becomes important to us. It brings back those memories that are locked away in the “good memory” parts of our brain and when we smell it or want to smell it, the memories are associated with them. It is POWERFUL and very LONG LASTING.
My “first love” wore a certain kind of after shave and to this day when I smell it (it is not commonly used now) it brings back INSTANT memories of him. They are no longer “painful” memories, and in fact, though he no longer wears that after shave and he and his wife are good friends of mine, I never think about the “days gone by” except when I smell that scent.
Though he and I are still great friends after our “fling” 40+ years ago, I am REALLY glad I didn’t marry him back then. It would never have lasted.
I’m afraid your X will never be your friend later, because with the Ps that just isn’t possible, but boy do they want to “try” to be our “friends” but they don’t treat us the way real FRIENDS would, they don’t respect our boundaries. I don’t need “friends” who don’t respect me—especially if I have told them “I don’t want you in my life, go away.” The very fact that he keeps on calling you shows he does NOT respect you. But we already knew that, didn’t we, cause that is why you are here at LF? ((((hugs))))) It will get better!
Hi everybody:
I’ve been reading posts for the last couple of days, and I couldn’t help but noticing the immense amount of bad evidence and wording against these people, just looking at how we describe our experiences with them; so much so, I felt it could be helpful to put together a LIST:
– Pseudo human
– Emotional and psychological criminals
– Opportunistic bacteria
– Mentally disabled and disordered
– Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
– Emoitional cripple
– Ruthless pirates
– Non human vehicles of discord
– Aliens inhabiting bodies
– Word salad maker
– Crazy maker
– Professional manipulator
– Facsimile of a man
– Loser-user-asshole
– Evil
– UFO
– Parasite
– Vampire
– Devious
– Hungry ghost
– Satan
– Pathological excuse for a human being
– Rotten inside
– Expert fooling experts
– Spiritual rape
– Lunacy
– Confusion creating
– Love bombing
– False love
– Rat poison
– Other worldy seduction
– law of diminishing returns
– 0 return on 100% investment
Major fodder to help us all keep NC, and lessen our daily pain in getting over the addicion.
Peace
Ox Drover,
“Smell is a POWERFUL memory…”
I used to keep a dirty sweat shirt of my husband’s in my pillow when he deployed. It had a calming effect on me and helped me get to sleep faster.
After he had been in a particularly nasty zone for almost 6 months, he mailed back some valuable gear. He used a filthy t shirt to cushion the electronics. Our golden retriever Sweet Pea (long deceased now), claimed that trophy for herself. She didn’t relinquish it to the wash until Hubby had been back for a while.