Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a young man, we’ll call him Kyle, who has just broken up with a woman whom he now believes is a sociopath. Based on the behavior he described, I’d say the guy is right. The woman cheated on him, and when confronted, either downplayed her behavior, said it was none of his business, or verbally attacked him. She had no interest in resolving problems. “Her solution to everything was to run, wait awhile, and then pile on affection as if nothing ever happened,” Kyle wrote.
Kyle has been researching sociopathy to try to grasp what is really going on with this woman. Here’s more of his e-mail, which I have reproduced with his permission:
First of all, I don’t believe criminal behavior, monetary fraud, substance abuse, or any other overt signs of social misconduct are primary symptoms of sociopathy. I suppose that’s the big question though… what is a primary sign? My theory is that the sociopath is incapable of developing personal values through the process of induction, meaning they are unable to look within themselves to gain a sense of self-esteem. This results their inability to experience empathy. After all, if one cannot generate a sense of self worth from their own reasoning how can they be expected to relate to others who do?
It seems in every case I have read about, the sociopath is an extravert. I think this is natural as the person must constantly be in contact with others because they find no satisfaction in themselves. Sociopaths also seem to be universally intelligent. (Perhaps these are the factors that differentiate a sociopath from a psychopath. Again, forgive my ignorance on the subject). What results is a charming individual who preys on other people to satisfy an endless hunger for temporary esteem. Because they cannot make sense of the internal values which should be generating this esteem, they simply try to get it from others, essentially reversing cause and effect.
In the end, this system never quite works, so they develop an incredible defense to avoid the fact that every close relationship falls apart. Every interaction is bounded by a series of rules/parameters. So long as the victim stays within these, things run smoothly. However, close human contact results in an emotional trade off that is impossible to control. Normally this is a tremendously good thing: trust, loyalty, and compassion are established. However, these all rely on a person’s sense of self worth, and the sociopath is not able to understand that. Sooner or later the relationship becomes too close and loses all stability. This is the point where the sociopath is “found out.”
In dealing with the woman, I felt a certain childlike quality to her emotions throughout our relationship. Though she was highly developed socially, in a lot of ways I almost felt like I was dealing with a puppy who just killed a small bird in the front yard. I think my mistake was in believing that I would be different. If I held my hand out she wouldn’t bite it. But I think this quality is misleading, as that naiveté is something the sociopath will avoid at all costs. They simply refuse to learn from their mistakes, or even acknowledge them in the first place. It seems to be a rare combination of a highly developed intellect and a poorly developed emotional response.
Perhaps at some point every sociopath learns to guard that core of insecurity at the deepest level and as such cannot even look at that, let alone analyze it and learn from it. In time, they develop an incredibly complex mechanism to guard this, adding another component with each deception. By early adulthood, these deceptions become so many that the cost is just too great to turn back, and it’s just so much easier to keep going that the thought never even crosses their mind.
These people are not normal
Kyle has correctly observed many traits of a sociopath: Criminality, fraud and substance abuse are not necessarily the prime indicators of this personality disorder. Sociopaths do not experience empathy. Sociopaths are extraverts. They are highly developed socially, but emotionally immature. They do not learn from mistakes.
However, his theories on why sociopaths are the way they are suffer from a fatal flaw: They are developed from the perspective of someone who is normal.
The hardest part of understanding what happened during our entanglements with sociopaths is coming to terms the extent to which these people are not normal.
Lovefraud readers have described sociopaths as not human. Aliens inhabiting human bodies. As cold as these descriptions may sound, they’re probably the easiest way to grasp what you are dealing with in a relationship with a sociopath.
So how different are they? Let’s take a look.
What sociopaths want
Normal people want love and harmonious relationships with others. Normal people want to feel competent in some form of endeavor. Normal people want to contribute to the world in some way.
Sociopaths want power, control and sex. Since they do not really value human relationships, they only want to win.
Kyle is correct in stating that sociopaths cannot look within themselves and develop personal values. He is incorrect in assuming that this causes the sociopath distress. Yes, these disordered people are empty inside, and they may be vaguely aware that they are missing something. But most sociopaths do not have issues with their self-esteem. If anything, they are grandiose, and their views of themselves are ridiculously inflated. They feel absolutely entitled to anything that they want, simply because they want it.
Self-esteem and sociopaths
Kyle speculates that sociopaths must be in constant contact with other people because they are trying to borrow self-esteem from others. This is not the case. Sociopaths view people as pawns to be manipulated into giving them what they want. Every social encounter is a potential feeding opportunity, a chance to convince someone to provide something.
Many people, of course, eventually catch on that they are being used, and stop serving as supply to the sociopaths. Sociopaths are aware of this—they’ve experienced it many times. So they are constantly on the lookout for new targets. When one victim is depleted, he or she must be replaced with another.
This leads to the answer to Kyle’s question, which is, “what is a primary sign of sociopathy?” Dr. Leedom has said lying. Steve Becker has said exploitative behavior. Put them together and you can say deceitful exploitation is central to the disorder.
Insecurity and sociopaths
Kyle suggests that sociopaths are insecure and build defense mechanisms to protect themselves from being hurt. By the time they’re adults, these defense mechanisms are so elaborate and complex that sociopaths can’t return to their authentic selves.
Again, he’s trying to interpret the sociopath based on how normal people may cope with personal issues. This is a mistake.
Wikipedia defines insecurity as, “a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving oneself to be unloved, inadequate or worthless.” Sociopaths probably should see themselves as unloved, inadequate or worthless, but they don’t. They may seem to be exhibiting insecurity, but in reality it’s one of two things:
- Frustration that they’re not getting what they want.
- Manipulation tactics to get what they want.
Sociopaths have no feelings, so there are no feelings to hurt. They can certainly pretend to be hurt, but it is a ruse designed to guilt others into giving them what they want.
Genetic roots
So if sociopaths are not trying to protect their deeply felt insecurities, where does this disorder come from? In most cases, the temperamental traits that lead to sociopathy are genetic. That usually means one of the parents is a sociopath, and sociopaths are notoriously bad parents. If a child is born with the traits, bad parenting can make them develop the full disorder.
But even if a child with the traits gets good parenting, the disorder can develop. Parents who have a child at risk of developing sociopathy need to take extra steps to help the child overcome his or her predisposition, but the parents may not realize it. And in some cases, even the best parenting is not enough to overcome negative genetics.
It is also possible for a mostly normal child who has extremely an extremely bad growth experience—such as being moved from foster home to foster home as a baby—can develop the disorder.
Accept and avoid
Please understand that I am not picking on Kyle. He’s obviously given a lot of thought to his experience with a sociopathic woman, and is trying to understand what happened. He has a reasonably good handle on normal behavior and normal motivations.
His letter simply provided me with an opportunity to illustrate that what we know and understand about normal human behavior simply does not apply to sociopaths. Thank you, Kyle, for allowing me to quote you.
In the end, we may not be able to truly comprehend sociopaths. The way they go through life is just too foreign to our natures. We must simply accept that they are very, very different from us, learn to recognize the symptoms, and if we see them, run for the hills.
SocioFree: I’m just catching up on today’s posts, loved the list you put together! Confusion creating… that was me, confused.
I’m glad you are all here, I feel lonely as usual. I’m having a hard time saying goodbe to the money I “loaned” him. How stupid is that? Do you think he’ll pay me back? LOL. I feel scared to tell him not to call or come over anymore, or is that me just being a weenie? Of course now that the money has dried up he doesn’t call or come over very often… how flattering.
The importance of no contact. After the rollercoaster ride from Hell, taking him back, kicking him out, back and forth, the phone call’s, on and off again, all the toxic scenes, all the pain, all the make up sex. The one thing that I did in the bitter end was change locks, telephone numbers and email addy. Would not open the door or speak to him the few times he showed up after that. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I lost a chance of something, but I feel like that is when I took my power back and deflated his ego. It really frustrated him that I could do that – maybe it’s wrong of me to feel victorious but as hard as I knew it was going to be , I did it, I stopped the madness…I had no ideal the aftermath would change my life. No contact to them is a slap in the face – one of the few victorys of that roller coaster ride from Hell..maybe I am a sicko but I SHOWED HIM that he can not manipulate me with his twisted mind games. I figure they get over us real quick, like in 10 seconds, when they see we dont want to play anymore…..the creep…
shabbychic:
yep, they stop coming around so much once the money is all gone. but then they come by to finish sucking the very life from you. i was very flattered that after i declared bankruptcy my ex still ”loved” me. what i didn’t realize is that there was still a bit of self-esteem, adoration, perks, sex, meals, massages left for him to suck down. only when i was absolutely an empty shell: financially, spiritually, emotionally, intellectually and physically did he admit that he was in a whole new relationship (complete with hot 25 yr old and fetus — not to mention he’s still married), and the dumping of my tired ass was completed.
don’t wait until you are there. go NC asap. it has taken me 6 months just to be able get out of bed when i don’t have to. and he still tries to get in touch from time to time because he must figure i’m ripe for the picking again, or maybe it’s just that this duck is no longer in the row!
Henry is right! NO contact is the way. I failed miserably at this at first and Im still in the throws of being a “newby” at it. But the more I read LF, the more from my arsenal I have to draw from. Im using LF like a scientist would use a “control group.” I have something thats certain and controlled to compare against what my situation is with my EX “S” at any given moment. Its worked wonders! Especially in these last two weeks when I have found out that my “S” was mirroring to her friends all the physical abuse,verbal abuse, money situations, etc as something I HAD DONE TO HER! Fate intervened and it just so happened I ended up talking to a couple from another state that she had introduced me to and had come to our house for visits. They were sorry to hear we had split(LOL) She had already called and broke the news to them unbeknownst to me. So I started explaining why we didnt work out and questions started rolling!! needless to say, at first they thought I was lying to them! When I offered up medical records, police records and the likes they were stunned and started spilling the beans so to speak. It was unbelievable the stories she had told them! Some of them were very recent from the past six months when my “S” had told me she was through with cheating and the likes and was ready to have a “deserving relationship” with me! This was the straw that broke the camels back for me. My “S” doesnt know that I have talked to these people and I have shut off all communication with her since. Its been 4 days and she has text after text and they have grown angrier with each ignoring silence I have. This morning I get a novel of an email saying I confused her because I let her in my life and then put her out again and again. BOY, WAS THAT A SOBERING STATEMENT FOR ME! I AM the one keeping this going!!!!! She even had a last ditch effort saying she had money in her bank acct just sitting there waiting to put a ring on my finger……..(which was something we had discussed months ago) I am blocking her from my email and when I can I will pay to have a “blocking service” added to my phone. I cant change it, I’ve had it too long and I have too many people I have networked with that need that number to contact me. It’s finally sinking in….I realize I have to be strong about this or the cycle will ALWAYS continue. It hurts my heart to no end but the hurt is still less than what she put me through and my illusions I bought into need to exit stage left. The crazy anetsu show has had its final curtain call!!!!
But now I stand on a new stage with really bad stage fright of what she is gonna do now that I have banished her from my cast. I do NOT PUT NOTHING PAST THIS WOMAN!
h, l & a: Thank you for the advice. Jeez, it is unbelievable how these people lie… of course I lied to myself for 14 years when I was with an N… I imagined a real nice cozy relationship that wasn’t even happening. Tolerated everything. I guess that’s what set me up for the P… who showed up 4 months after the N dumped me. Real set-back on my journey. I still have moments of hoping things work out with the P… even after all the lies, money, crap treatment. I feel so sad. Like the little kid who is waiting to be picked for the softball game, and I’m the last one that gets chosen. Pick me! Pick me! I am not at the point where I want to be here alone, and that is what gets me into trouble.
shabbychic2 and others:
I remember many years ago a trust and estates lawyer saying to me — “people will fight it out to the salt and pepper shakers. Every one of those dollar signs in a will has a little heart attached to it.”
I understand the emotional confusion as we’re coming out of a relationship with an S. What has helped me is putting “dollar sign reminders” around my house, in my wallet, etc. If nothing else drives it home for me is that visual reminder of exactly how many dollars and cents I expended on that piece of crap and what Im still paying off.
Dollar signs cannot be rationalized, even if everything else can. So, tape a reminder to your phone, your wallet, your computer, whatever it takes. It will keep you NC. End of the day, one thing we all understand if cleaned out bank accounts.
About this anger thing.
For those of you who have difficulty getting to anger or holding onto it, you’ll hold onto it when you’re more real to yourself than the sociopath is. That is, when what you want, what you remember, how you feel about it is more vivid in your thinking than what the sociopath feels and wants from you
When you give in, the sociopath is happy, relieved even. And when his reality is more real than yours, so are you. You’ve both gotten your fix. Happy sociopath. Happy victim. Happy togetherness. And the whole cycle starts up again, until you’re not so happy anymore.
Needless to say, it’s only to the sociopath’s benefit that you forget what you were mad about and have a moment of fond togetherness with him. You may think the moment of happiness is worth it. But you might not, if you realize that the moment he knows he’s got you, he’s moved on to figuring out what profit he can extract from the situation. (Have you noticed that once you give in, things start to change pretty quickly?)
Here’s the good news, even for those of you who are waiting for the anger to finally emerge, so you can stop being so vulnerable. We do learn. Really. We go through this scenario enough times, and we figure it out.
When the sociopath makes us happy, it’s bad news for us. When we make the sociopath happy, it’s bad news for us. If we’re happy together, it’s bad news for us. Notice a pattern here?
If you haven’t yet, you will. You will recognize that all this charming, funny, tragic, apologetic, missing you desperately, and everything will be different behavior always comes out to the same outcome. And you will also figure out that this bad outcome for you was because the sociopath didn’t mean any of it. Because they’re selfish and manipulative and deceitful, and they don’t care about you.
And not surprisingly, a lot of us have that ah-hah moment when we’re being jollied and coddled and getting everything we ever wanted (for a moment). Suddenly we realize that it doesn’t matter what this moment is like, how wonderful and cozy and thrilling it might be. Because we know for certain that in another moment or two we’re going to be dealing with the same old selfish, miserable, domineering monster.
And the magic goes away! Like that old joke when some wiseacre asks a witch to prove she can do magic. And she waves her wand and says, “Poof! You’re a pile of s**t.”
Not that it means we can hold onto it for every minute. Until we detox, they’re in our heads and we have to fight to hold onto our own reality. But time is on our side. And once we’ve experienced that moment of insight and gotten really mad, it gets easier the next time.
Mad is how we clean house. Later, when we don’t need to be mad all the time to regain control of our lives, we learn to let it go. But if you’re still struggling with feeling the sociopath’s feelings, anger is going to be your best friend.
So that’s what you’re looking for. Those moments when your reality is stronger. When your feelings are more real. When the circumstances of your life, including the messes the sociopath left you with, are more important. When your memories of everything you’ve gone through are more real than the sociopath’s promises.
If you want to speed this along, try having conversation with yourself in the mirror. (I used to take a mirror off my wall and take it to bed with me, and have long, funny, teary conversations with myself.) Journaling is really, really good. So is writing down lists of what you want (you don’t have to be reasonable). Doing things you’ve been wanting to do that the sociopath doesn’t approve of (as long as it’s not self-destructive).
Oh, here’s a good one. Years ago, a therapist once asked me if I was angry. Oh no, I said, I never really get angry. She nodded and asked, well, do you ever feel a little resentful?
So how about it? Do you ever feel a little resentful?
Anger is a good thing. You’ll like it when you get there.
shabbychic2 I KNOW what you are feeling and sometimes I wonder if it has to do with our OWN self esteem issues. I was very athletic and a “tomboy” as a small girl so I WAS the girl the boys always picked to be on their team when they had to pick a “girl” in gym class. I had athletic prowess but when it came to being a girlie girl I possessed none!(LOL) after high school I will never forget the day when I realized I turned someones head after putting makeup on. It was that time that I understood you could make yourself into anybody you wanted to be. And in my twenties, I played it to the hilt. but I always knew I was trying to be someone I wasnt. In my thirties I became myself and found lots of true friends who accepted me as who I am and my life was great. I had a few relationships that didnt work out but they ended amicably and a couple are still friends of mine to this day. when I met my “S” it took me back to my days of NO confidence in myself. The girl who was always picked by the boys to be on their team but really didnt relate to all the prissy girls who shunned me. I know who I am now, and I can dress up and go to a gala and look like a queen, or i can get in camoflauge and go deer hunting with my Dad. but my “S” always managed to make me feel like that little kid who didnt know herself yet. and I hate that she was able to do that to me.. it is a plan of theirs. To prey on your weaknesses. its what they do best. And in essence, I think i gave the signal somehow that said….PICK ME and they did!!!!!!
anetsu:
“when I met my “S” it took me back to my days of NO confidence in myself.”
So true. I came out later in life. But, when I finally did, I finally liked the person I was. Because I finally was in synch with my sexuality, I was comfortable in my own skin. For the first time in my life, I actually looked in the mirror and liked what I saw.
I remember this straight couple I’m friendly with both saying to me “you had a lot of heads — both male and female turning as you walked by.” And the funny thing was, I realized it.
Then I met S. And S systematically demolished that sense of self I had finally acquired.
Since S, I’ve tested my “wow power” a bit, and found I still have it. But, I hate that feeling that I’m back in the early days when I had just come out and was just starting to discover my sense of self.
I do have to start thinking about myself and not what he wants. Anger would be good, but I’ve been a zombie for so long I don’t remember how to be real!!!!!! I don’t want to repeat my past and be angry at myself. I do have self-esteem issues, but that is another story, I’m working on it. I figure I’m 52 and the image in the mirror is not going to change, I may as well like it and get on with my life, if not now… when? Why at this age am I still trying to figure out who I am? I never thought about it much except to tell myself how much I hated myself. Thank you for the words of support and for listening to my rant. This site is a lifesaver! Oh, in 6th grade I was the freak with the big boobs, for real.