Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a young man, we’ll call him Kyle, who has just broken up with a woman whom he now believes is a sociopath. Based on the behavior he described, I’d say the guy is right. The woman cheated on him, and when confronted, either downplayed her behavior, said it was none of his business, or verbally attacked him. She had no interest in resolving problems. “Her solution to everything was to run, wait awhile, and then pile on affection as if nothing ever happened,” Kyle wrote.
Kyle has been researching sociopathy to try to grasp what is really going on with this woman. Here’s more of his e-mail, which I have reproduced with his permission:
First of all, I don’t believe criminal behavior, monetary fraud, substance abuse, or any other overt signs of social misconduct are primary symptoms of sociopathy. I suppose that’s the big question though… what is a primary sign? My theory is that the sociopath is incapable of developing personal values through the process of induction, meaning they are unable to look within themselves to gain a sense of self-esteem. This results their inability to experience empathy. After all, if one cannot generate a sense of self worth from their own reasoning how can they be expected to relate to others who do?
It seems in every case I have read about, the sociopath is an extravert. I think this is natural as the person must constantly be in contact with others because they find no satisfaction in themselves. Sociopaths also seem to be universally intelligent. (Perhaps these are the factors that differentiate a sociopath from a psychopath. Again, forgive my ignorance on the subject). What results is a charming individual who preys on other people to satisfy an endless hunger for temporary esteem. Because they cannot make sense of the internal values which should be generating this esteem, they simply try to get it from others, essentially reversing cause and effect.
In the end, this system never quite works, so they develop an incredible defense to avoid the fact that every close relationship falls apart. Every interaction is bounded by a series of rules/parameters. So long as the victim stays within these, things run smoothly. However, close human contact results in an emotional trade off that is impossible to control. Normally this is a tremendously good thing: trust, loyalty, and compassion are established. However, these all rely on a person’s sense of self worth, and the sociopath is not able to understand that. Sooner or later the relationship becomes too close and loses all stability. This is the point where the sociopath is “found out.”
In dealing with the woman, I felt a certain childlike quality to her emotions throughout our relationship. Though she was highly developed socially, in a lot of ways I almost felt like I was dealing with a puppy who just killed a small bird in the front yard. I think my mistake was in believing that I would be different. If I held my hand out she wouldn’t bite it. But I think this quality is misleading, as that naiveté is something the sociopath will avoid at all costs. They simply refuse to learn from their mistakes, or even acknowledge them in the first place. It seems to be a rare combination of a highly developed intellect and a poorly developed emotional response.
Perhaps at some point every sociopath learns to guard that core of insecurity at the deepest level and as such cannot even look at that, let alone analyze it and learn from it. In time, they develop an incredibly complex mechanism to guard this, adding another component with each deception. By early adulthood, these deceptions become so many that the cost is just too great to turn back, and it’s just so much easier to keep going that the thought never even crosses their mind.
These people are not normal
Kyle has correctly observed many traits of a sociopath: Criminality, fraud and substance abuse are not necessarily the prime indicators of this personality disorder. Sociopaths do not experience empathy. Sociopaths are extraverts. They are highly developed socially, but emotionally immature. They do not learn from mistakes.
However, his theories on why sociopaths are the way they are suffer from a fatal flaw: They are developed from the perspective of someone who is normal.
The hardest part of understanding what happened during our entanglements with sociopaths is coming to terms the extent to which these people are not normal.
Lovefraud readers have described sociopaths as not human. Aliens inhabiting human bodies. As cold as these descriptions may sound, they’re probably the easiest way to grasp what you are dealing with in a relationship with a sociopath.
So how different are they? Let’s take a look.
What sociopaths want
Normal people want love and harmonious relationships with others. Normal people want to feel competent in some form of endeavor. Normal people want to contribute to the world in some way.
Sociopaths want power, control and sex. Since they do not really value human relationships, they only want to win.
Kyle is correct in stating that sociopaths cannot look within themselves and develop personal values. He is incorrect in assuming that this causes the sociopath distress. Yes, these disordered people are empty inside, and they may be vaguely aware that they are missing something. But most sociopaths do not have issues with their self-esteem. If anything, they are grandiose, and their views of themselves are ridiculously inflated. They feel absolutely entitled to anything that they want, simply because they want it.
Self-esteem and sociopaths
Kyle speculates that sociopaths must be in constant contact with other people because they are trying to borrow self-esteem from others. This is not the case. Sociopaths view people as pawns to be manipulated into giving them what they want. Every social encounter is a potential feeding opportunity, a chance to convince someone to provide something.
Many people, of course, eventually catch on that they are being used, and stop serving as supply to the sociopaths. Sociopaths are aware of this—they’ve experienced it many times. So they are constantly on the lookout for new targets. When one victim is depleted, he or she must be replaced with another.
This leads to the answer to Kyle’s question, which is, “what is a primary sign of sociopathy?” Dr. Leedom has said lying. Steve Becker has said exploitative behavior. Put them together and you can say deceitful exploitation is central to the disorder.
Insecurity and sociopaths
Kyle suggests that sociopaths are insecure and build defense mechanisms to protect themselves from being hurt. By the time they’re adults, these defense mechanisms are so elaborate and complex that sociopaths can’t return to their authentic selves.
Again, he’s trying to interpret the sociopath based on how normal people may cope with personal issues. This is a mistake.
Wikipedia defines insecurity as, “a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving oneself to be unloved, inadequate or worthless.” Sociopaths probably should see themselves as unloved, inadequate or worthless, but they don’t. They may seem to be exhibiting insecurity, but in reality it’s one of two things:
- Frustration that they’re not getting what they want.
- Manipulation tactics to get what they want.
Sociopaths have no feelings, so there are no feelings to hurt. They can certainly pretend to be hurt, but it is a ruse designed to guilt others into giving them what they want.
Genetic roots
So if sociopaths are not trying to protect their deeply felt insecurities, where does this disorder come from? In most cases, the temperamental traits that lead to sociopathy are genetic. That usually means one of the parents is a sociopath, and sociopaths are notoriously bad parents. If a child is born with the traits, bad parenting can make them develop the full disorder.
But even if a child with the traits gets good parenting, the disorder can develop. Parents who have a child at risk of developing sociopathy need to take extra steps to help the child overcome his or her predisposition, but the parents may not realize it. And in some cases, even the best parenting is not enough to overcome negative genetics.
It is also possible for a mostly normal child who has extremely an extremely bad growth experience—such as being moved from foster home to foster home as a baby—can develop the disorder.
Accept and avoid
Please understand that I am not picking on Kyle. He’s obviously given a lot of thought to his experience with a sociopathic woman, and is trying to understand what happened. He has a reasonably good handle on normal behavior and normal motivations.
His letter simply provided me with an opportunity to illustrate that what we know and understand about normal human behavior simply does not apply to sociopaths. Thank you, Kyle, for allowing me to quote you.
In the end, we may not be able to truly comprehend sociopaths. The way they go through life is just too foreign to our natures. We must simply accept that they are very, very different from us, learn to recognize the symptoms, and if we see them, run for the hills.
I know a lot of people from there will be contacting me. They will want to know what happened and beg me to come back. There will probably be blogs started asking “what happened to Stargazer” with some people gossiping about me and the S on it. All I will be able to do is just ignore it. If people ask me why I left, I will have to say “I am too busy to be on the site.” It is a blatant lie, and it kills me. But I don’t want to contribute to the drama any more than I already have.
Dear Star,
This is the Sirens singing from the side of the HEALING ROAD, trying to drag you off into the abyss…..stay on the road, hold our hands, we are here for you…..I know it is tough not to go to the Siren Song, but it is FAKE, YOU are REAL, HE IS FAKE, you are REAL.
I know you love your snakes and I know you care about the people on the reptile site, but, BUT….it is more important to stay away from him and the STRESS of him. IN the past many of us have given in to the stress and we have fallen off the road bck into the abyss, gotten lost in the swamps of despair, but hold on to our hands and stay on the road. YOU CAN DO IT!!!! Put things in perspective, which is more important—your health and well being or some people you omet on a reptile site—-stay away from ANYONE or anything that gives you stress….take the high road, the HEALING ROAD. Stay on track!!!!! There are ruts and bumps, but you arel still on the RIGHT ROAD, moving on toward Healing! (((((hugs)))))) as wini would say, breathe, breathe, breathe!
StarG: I hear you. We all hear you. As for mutual friends that still believe and trust him … you can say to them factually (keep your emotions in tack when doing so) … “Just remember, there are people in the world that pretend to be something they are not and I’d hate to find out that you too became a victim of such a liar that has no remorse” … and leave it at that.
I know how my EX destroyed my life. I told so many people in authority. Whether they are working on it or not (I pray they are) and they have to wait to out smart him with his own game, is the only thing I can come up with.
I know deep down in my heart and soul, our voices are being heard, we just have to be patient.
Hang in their StarG.
Peace.
StarG: Back in 2002, between the presidents birthdays is when my EX started destroying my life (actually, he started destroying my life before he met me in October 1999). I didn’t find the truth out until I reviewed the paperwork in November 2006. Four years he knew he was lying about everything and anything and kept the charade up while he systematically took me for EVERYTHING I worked for and saved. I don’t even want to be reminded what he did on Valentines day the year before … horrific, but true.
Peace.
I meant to write October, 1998.
Star,
With regard to the mutual friends…… Someone advised me early on to let go of trying to have a relationship with them. (They were living right next door to the XS.) I suffered so much anxiety over what he was telling them and the fact that I may lose them as friends……. It didn’t matter and it doesn’t because they like to take ownership of the people around you too.
Take care of yourself!!
When he was in process of divorce he used to tall me he received all kinds of sympathy calls from his in laws. I don’t believe it for a minute. He used to call m friends and tel them to get ME help. He was trying to communicate with my children and tell them lies about me. When he broke up (as he did many times) with his trashy OW that I found him with, he would surround himself with her family and she was basically pushed out of the mix.
Star, I wished I had cut off contact with the people we had in common. I think I would have healed faster. All you can do is advise and ignore. I can’t help but think they will either follow him and get burned or they will see it for themselves…..maybe not to the extent we di/did. But I think other smart people will see through.
Star: regarding foreclosure — if there was ever a time to be able to try to pull things back together, it is now. The mortgage companies are on orders to try to work with people. I don’t know all your circumstances, but I do know some of the inside ways to negotiate to make things better.
If you want to talk a bit about that, I’ll give you my insight. I’m glad you got away from him as early as you did. OMG, if he’s this toxic — how much worse if you’d been around him even longer. Hang in there.
Dear all,
Thank you for your words to me I was so touched by your response Matt, Rune, Libelle and have been reading all posts I can over the past days. I am shocked and disorientated wanting to vomit with this horror, but the truth of my situation , the pain, loss of my son, the madness, making sense to me, albeit soul destroying reality. You believe me, that is the most vital thing for me. Family and friends just beg me to walk away from the wreckage, they believe that my cancer diagnosis last year was a direct result of years of extreme stress I experienced while involved with the ex.I know they cannot understand why I need to make sense of all that happened, and is still happening. I have made a good physical recovery from surgery but the emotional and psychological pain does not abate. I dont discuss much with them these days it is unfair to worry them further. my son and daughter (not the same father as my youngest boy therefore non socio genetics) implore me to start a new life.
and believe their brother half brother to be as callous as his father and just as manipulative.The concensus then is that I need to give up any hope of my boy returning home or that I could cope with his behaviour. I am mourning the loss of him and cannot come to terms with the reality or cope with the knowledge that each day he is with his father means certain destruction of the bond between us.
I am grateful that I have found lb and thank you oxdrover for your journey to healing post. I have found the start of the road and must be thankful I realize I need to do a lot of work to begin to walk but hope and pray you may help me. God Bless.
Stalrgazer:
I remember reading somewhere that sociopaths grab hold of a new interest and then, just as abruptly, drop it. Sort of like a baby focusing on whatever toy is waved in its face at any given moment.
You had mentioned that your ex dove head first into reptile collecting and had acquired quite a collection in a very brief period. If what’s in the above-paragraph holds true, he’ll probably lose interest in that hobby and move along. It’s a case of playing the waiting game.
Regarding the foreclosure, Rune is right, the mortgage companies, banks, etc are all essentially under orders not to foreclose. More to the point, they don’t want to have to take on tons of properties they can’t manage or sell.
Contact your lender now and tell them you can’t pay and ask them what they can do. One of my siblings just had his rate cut by 4 points and they added the arrearages onto the back side of the mortgage, extending it.
Also, reach out to ACORN, the community activitist group. They are working with people in every state to stave off foreclosure. YOu might check out the law clinics run by law schools in your area. They provide free representation, and a lot of them are now taking on people who are facing foreclosure.
For the meds, a lot of doctors are willing to give you free samples. When I told mine last night that I couldn’t afford to stay on medication now that I’ve been laid off, he told me he would get me free samples if he had to. Also, a lot of drug companies have programs for people who can’t afford their medication.
Dear Readytolearn,
Welcome here to Lovefraud, it is a healing place. I can relate to the loss of your son, I “lost” my son who is a psychopath many years ago, I just didn’t realize it and let him con me and con me over and over. I wouldn’t give up that CANCEROUS MALIGNANT TOXIC HOPE that he would “reform.” It was ONLY when I relaized I had to quit hoping for something that was impossible, quit wishing for something that was not going to take place, and quit depending for my happiness on his reformation.
It is only now that I have given up hope that he is anything but what he is, a psychopath, a dangerous psychopath at that, that I have been able to realize my HAPPINESS DOES NOT DEPEND ON WHAT HE DOES OR DOES NOT DO. I also had to realize that my mother is a psychopath-by-proxy by enabling him, but she is NOT GOING TO CHANGE EITHER. I had to give up hope of making her “see” what SHE REFUSES TO SEE.
Jesus talked about those that had “eyes and will not see’ and had “ears and would not hear” and that is the enablers. They REFUSE to see the truth, and no amount of EVIDENCE will ever make them see the truth, they don’t want to see the truth, and they are TOO INVESTED IN DENIAL to see the truth.
It is frustrating to us, and we run around like “henny penny” in the children’s story telling everyone that the sky is falling, and no one will believe us because to believe us would be too painful for them. They are not willing to face that pain.
It is painful for us as well, but you are validated here, WE (and I think I can speak for us all) do believe you. We have been in the abyss of gaslighting and the slough of despair and pain, so we know you are not exaggerating how much you hurt or how much you have lost. It is horribly painful, and I thought at one point I could never know happiness again, but I am experiencing happiness again and enjoying life and you can too, Readytolearn.
A blogger here who just comes back every now and then, named Beverly, also had cancer. Medical science knows that constant stress causes ALL KINDS of bodily ills and diseases, craps out the immune system. I had a series of life-threatening infections that required surgery and heavy antibiotic treatment. I have NO doubt that every one of those was caused because my body had been under such tremendous stress for five years that my immune system just about shut down. Fortunately,, I am on the upswing now, because I have WORKED VERY HARD at keeping my stress low. I have eliminated anyone who is stressful to my life. ELIMINATED THEM out of my life. I have learned to set boundaries for these people and if they don’t like those boundaries, I am NOT going to feel one ounce of guilt or stress over THEIR PROBLEMS.
I have ONE task in front of me now and that is to TAKE CARE OF ME, BY KEEPING MY STRESS LEVEL LOW. I am not going to be side tracked from that ONE task no matter what.
It has required a lot of self examination to decide what is causing me stress and to eliminate it. Just like surgery to cut out a cancer, if it is cancerous (damaging) to me in any way, cut that puppy out NOW.
The “flat tires” on the road of life are just things that happen, but at the same time, if you don’t pay attention to your tires, let them wear out, or drive over roads with lots of nails stewn over them you will have more flat tires than if you are careful. So I try to PREVENT flat tires, but sometimes “chit happens” and you get one, but it doesn’t stress me out because it wasn’t one I could foresee or prevent.
Those that are PREVENTABLE by a little “foresight” are the ones that I try to keep from happening. When we are stressed to the max, we don’t keep a good eye on the tire pressure or the roads we drive down and we will have more frequent “flat tires” but with NC and time, we will start to be able to LOOK AHEAD more and to drive a better course, avoid the pot holes etc.
Hang in there, Ready to Learn, there are lots of good folks here and wonderful enlightening articles to give you some insight. I know your friends and family probably can’t understand where you are coming from, but this group of folks here at LF sure do. Welcome to our “club” but sorry that you have the “qualifications to Join.” But, since you do have the quialifications, there’s not a better place in the world to be at! ((((hugs))))) and God bless you! You are NOT alone in this.