Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a young man, we’ll call him Kyle, who has just broken up with a woman whom he now believes is a sociopath. Based on the behavior he described, I’d say the guy is right. The woman cheated on him, and when confronted, either downplayed her behavior, said it was none of his business, or verbally attacked him. She had no interest in resolving problems. “Her solution to everything was to run, wait awhile, and then pile on affection as if nothing ever happened,” Kyle wrote.
Kyle has been researching sociopathy to try to grasp what is really going on with this woman. Here’s more of his e-mail, which I have reproduced with his permission:
First of all, I don’t believe criminal behavior, monetary fraud, substance abuse, or any other overt signs of social misconduct are primary symptoms of sociopathy. I suppose that’s the big question though… what is a primary sign? My theory is that the sociopath is incapable of developing personal values through the process of induction, meaning they are unable to look within themselves to gain a sense of self-esteem. This results their inability to experience empathy. After all, if one cannot generate a sense of self worth from their own reasoning how can they be expected to relate to others who do?
It seems in every case I have read about, the sociopath is an extravert. I think this is natural as the person must constantly be in contact with others because they find no satisfaction in themselves. Sociopaths also seem to be universally intelligent. (Perhaps these are the factors that differentiate a sociopath from a psychopath. Again, forgive my ignorance on the subject). What results is a charming individual who preys on other people to satisfy an endless hunger for temporary esteem. Because they cannot make sense of the internal values which should be generating this esteem, they simply try to get it from others, essentially reversing cause and effect.
In the end, this system never quite works, so they develop an incredible defense to avoid the fact that every close relationship falls apart. Every interaction is bounded by a series of rules/parameters. So long as the victim stays within these, things run smoothly. However, close human contact results in an emotional trade off that is impossible to control. Normally this is a tremendously good thing: trust, loyalty, and compassion are established. However, these all rely on a person’s sense of self worth, and the sociopath is not able to understand that. Sooner or later the relationship becomes too close and loses all stability. This is the point where the sociopath is “found out.”
In dealing with the woman, I felt a certain childlike quality to her emotions throughout our relationship. Though she was highly developed socially, in a lot of ways I almost felt like I was dealing with a puppy who just killed a small bird in the front yard. I think my mistake was in believing that I would be different. If I held my hand out she wouldn’t bite it. But I think this quality is misleading, as that naiveté is something the sociopath will avoid at all costs. They simply refuse to learn from their mistakes, or even acknowledge them in the first place. It seems to be a rare combination of a highly developed intellect and a poorly developed emotional response.
Perhaps at some point every sociopath learns to guard that core of insecurity at the deepest level and as such cannot even look at that, let alone analyze it and learn from it. In time, they develop an incredibly complex mechanism to guard this, adding another component with each deception. By early adulthood, these deceptions become so many that the cost is just too great to turn back, and it’s just so much easier to keep going that the thought never even crosses their mind.
These people are not normal
Kyle has correctly observed many traits of a sociopath: Criminality, fraud and substance abuse are not necessarily the prime indicators of this personality disorder. Sociopaths do not experience empathy. Sociopaths are extraverts. They are highly developed socially, but emotionally immature. They do not learn from mistakes.
However, his theories on why sociopaths are the way they are suffer from a fatal flaw: They are developed from the perspective of someone who is normal.
The hardest part of understanding what happened during our entanglements with sociopaths is coming to terms the extent to which these people are not normal.
Lovefraud readers have described sociopaths as not human. Aliens inhabiting human bodies. As cold as these descriptions may sound, they’re probably the easiest way to grasp what you are dealing with in a relationship with a sociopath.
So how different are they? Let’s take a look.
What sociopaths want
Normal people want love and harmonious relationships with others. Normal people want to feel competent in some form of endeavor. Normal people want to contribute to the world in some way.
Sociopaths want power, control and sex. Since they do not really value human relationships, they only want to win.
Kyle is correct in stating that sociopaths cannot look within themselves and develop personal values. He is incorrect in assuming that this causes the sociopath distress. Yes, these disordered people are empty inside, and they may be vaguely aware that they are missing something. But most sociopaths do not have issues with their self-esteem. If anything, they are grandiose, and their views of themselves are ridiculously inflated. They feel absolutely entitled to anything that they want, simply because they want it.
Self-esteem and sociopaths
Kyle speculates that sociopaths must be in constant contact with other people because they are trying to borrow self-esteem from others. This is not the case. Sociopaths view people as pawns to be manipulated into giving them what they want. Every social encounter is a potential feeding opportunity, a chance to convince someone to provide something.
Many people, of course, eventually catch on that they are being used, and stop serving as supply to the sociopaths. Sociopaths are aware of this—they’ve experienced it many times. So they are constantly on the lookout for new targets. When one victim is depleted, he or she must be replaced with another.
This leads to the answer to Kyle’s question, which is, “what is a primary sign of sociopathy?” Dr. Leedom has said lying. Steve Becker has said exploitative behavior. Put them together and you can say deceitful exploitation is central to the disorder.
Insecurity and sociopaths
Kyle suggests that sociopaths are insecure and build defense mechanisms to protect themselves from being hurt. By the time they’re adults, these defense mechanisms are so elaborate and complex that sociopaths can’t return to their authentic selves.
Again, he’s trying to interpret the sociopath based on how normal people may cope with personal issues. This is a mistake.
Wikipedia defines insecurity as, “a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving oneself to be unloved, inadequate or worthless.” Sociopaths probably should see themselves as unloved, inadequate or worthless, but they don’t. They may seem to be exhibiting insecurity, but in reality it’s one of two things:
- Frustration that they’re not getting what they want.
- Manipulation tactics to get what they want.
Sociopaths have no feelings, so there are no feelings to hurt. They can certainly pretend to be hurt, but it is a ruse designed to guilt others into giving them what they want.
Genetic roots
So if sociopaths are not trying to protect their deeply felt insecurities, where does this disorder come from? In most cases, the temperamental traits that lead to sociopathy are genetic. That usually means one of the parents is a sociopath, and sociopaths are notoriously bad parents. If a child is born with the traits, bad parenting can make them develop the full disorder.
But even if a child with the traits gets good parenting, the disorder can develop. Parents who have a child at risk of developing sociopathy need to take extra steps to help the child overcome his or her predisposition, but the parents may not realize it. And in some cases, even the best parenting is not enough to overcome negative genetics.
It is also possible for a mostly normal child who has extremely an extremely bad growth experience—such as being moved from foster home to foster home as a baby—can develop the disorder.
Accept and avoid
Please understand that I am not picking on Kyle. He’s obviously given a lot of thought to his experience with a sociopathic woman, and is trying to understand what happened. He has a reasonably good handle on normal behavior and normal motivations.
His letter simply provided me with an opportunity to illustrate that what we know and understand about normal human behavior simply does not apply to sociopaths. Thank you, Kyle, for allowing me to quote you.
In the end, we may not be able to truly comprehend sociopaths. The way they go through life is just too foreign to our natures. We must simply accept that they are very, very different from us, learn to recognize the symptoms, and if we see them, run for the hills.
Eliza:
If he really has cancer, then you can wait until he’s hospitalized…Myself, I’d be tempted to go visit and put a rock in his bed, smile and leave him with a dull throbbing pain which will slowly intensify – just like him!
Don’t fall for it, life’s not that fair!
Apologies, I guess I’m feeling a bit of resentment today – LOL!
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve wished my ex would get what he’s due – which, considering his diet and lifestyle, would most likely come in the form of some health issue, and probably sooner than later.
My therapist is trying to get me to get in touch with my anger. I’m not very good at getting mad when I should. I’ve learned to not rock the boat, convert my anger into stress, and deal with that instead of standing up for myself.
I couldn’t stop crying a few days ago, and I thought about it, aside from the likelihood that it was brought on by a nightmare about the N, I think I was really angry but didn’t recognize it as such.
I wish the plague on all of them!
i’m angry. i’m bitter. i’m resentful. i’m jaded.
this life i have is not of my design.
i believe in fate. destiny has a bad-ass hold on me.
i have no control.
i’m furious. i’m hateful. i’m vengeful.
i don’t believe in love.
i have been trampled. and i look it.
i’m self-pitying. self-loathing.
i’m hopeless. i don’t care what they say.
i’m contemptuous. every part of my life is tainted.
i was born a dreamer. i was told to get real.
i got real. i’m being told to dream.
i’m not sure which way is up.
most of the time i don’t even care.
everything there was to take has been taken.
my light was snuffed.
my hopes were dashed.
my beliefs were shown to be lies.
what is left?
this fat ugly body and this mediocre mind working too hard for too little to come home to an empty apartment.
i saw him today. he was standing on the corner as i rode by on the bus. he was talking, as usual. animated. laughing. smiling. center of attraction.
he invited me to the baby shower.
this is a world of thieves and liars. and they win … every time.
DEar Eliza,
Even if he does have cancer—is that your responsibility to take care of every person who has cancer and has been an ass to you? It is HIS KARMA if he is not lying, and I bettya he is lying for a pity play.
You don’t owe him anything if he has cancer of every organ in his body. YOU DO NOT OWE HIM PITY. HE HAD NO PITY FOR YOU.
Dear LIG,
I am so sorry you are hurting sugar! I hear the pain in your post.
Remember, though, HE IS THE LIE. All his laughing and baby showers and crap is just that, C*R*A*P
You KNOW his “life” is not all about happiness, he is just putting up a front because HE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT REAL HAPPINESS OR LOVE IS> He has never felt love. He has never given love.
You are in pain, just like Eliza and several others here today, you know it will pass….you have been through so much, you just fell down the abyss on the healing road, but you will CLIMB BACK OUT!!! I know you will and it will get easier next time and the next. It is the roller coaster, but you ARE getting stronger, and you are NOT alone. I am reaching a hand out to you dear friend, take in and boost yourself up and hang on. Don’t listen to his fake laughter, it is the Siren Song that draws you away into the FOG and thati s all it is, it is NOT REAL.
LIG That is a very powerful post, well written and describes all of us at some point in this journey. There is so much left for you, please stop measuring yourself by his yard stick. There is nothing mediocre about you. Look at me, 54 year old white haired grandpa. Every dating site I go look at says no one over 26. My X was 12 years younger – but I didnt pick him, he picked me, not because I am a studly looking grandpa but because I was a kind hearted old fool..LIG what did we lose? Someone who is evil, and they are going to continue f–in with fools,,,thank goodness I have put my life into perspective and unpacked all my baggage so I can look at the dirty truth…I doubt that my soulmate is going to knock on my door and make everything right. But if’n he does I have a healtheir mind and spirit to offer him and sense enuff to kick him in the nuts if there is one red flag. Look what we have learned about ourselves ( crash course in survival) I am not hopeless anymore – and you are not either…am I going to have to come where ever you are and make you giggle? LIG I know your pain, well maybe not but I think I get it, this may sound stupid, but I only have so many more sunsets in my future, my goal is to live them with out the burden of the past. It is up too me what i do with the rest of my life and after one year spath free my self worth is gettin better all the time…..and so will your’s when you get through beatin yerself up……
Hey Star, I went through the same thing with mine. Only on a stock discussion site. I stopped posting as much, changed my handle, etc etc. He still tracks me down.
But you HAVE TO keep going there. Hold your head up high. If you don’t he will spread his poisen to everyone there and if you run they will believe.
Can you put him on ignore? That way you don’t see his posts?
You love that site. Stand your ground. I know how hard it is. To try to be adult when faced with such extreme childishness. I had to step down as Moderator on one board because of his harrassment. But you need to talk to the peeps you are freinds with. That’s a big part of your life. Ignore him.
Wow, I have had such a myriad of advice. Thank you, Matt. I am currently putting together a hardship package for my lender. I’m not sure what they will be able to do. I tried for a short payoff but couldn’t get a loan based on the value of my property due to the high percentage of investors. This means more investors, and more section 8 renters. Ugh. I don’t really want to stay here anyway but can’t afford to move. I also don’t want to stay at my current job. I just feel all around trapped and depressed and pretty hopeless. It would be great if I could even afford to get in to my doc to get meds. There is a $500 deductible for the year on medical.
LIG, your post spoke for me as well. Did you see my S returned? It set me back about 6 months. I am dealing with PTSD all over again. I only slept 3 hours last night. I’m right there with you, sweetie. We’re all in this together.
So Flyspeck, it never occurred to me to stay on the reptile site. Usually NC is recommended for sociopaths. If I stay there, not only will I know what he’s doing and watch him playing all my friends, but he will know everything I’m doing. I just don’t want him to have that kind of access to my life. There is no way to expose him. I tried it once and it backfired. It just makes me out to look like a drama queen. All I would be able to do is just sit back and take it. I don’t really even want to have his name on my radar screen. I so wish I could stay on the site. I would give anything if I could.
Matt, as far as his hobby being short lived, it doesn’t appear so. He collected 10 snakes last spring and apparently still has them. I don’t think he’s going anywhere for a while. The only reason he left the site for 4 months is because of his troubles with the army that I caused for him. I just don’t think I could stand to watch him lying to people there and just stand by and not say anything. But if I do, I will get kicked off the site. He is very sweet and charming, just like LIG’s ex. Also, he has another user name as well, and no one knows they are the same person. Very sneaky.
star: just re-read the thread. wow. that mutha! i’m really sorry that he has reared his ugly dinosaur head once again. but i’m glad you have made the decision to stay off the site. only way to go, isn’t it. i’m not sure if it’s the right thing to do, but it will probably save you from the insanity he will try and throw your way. and yes, they never seem to be punished for their disgraceful way of life.
i just awoke from a three hour nap. feel as though someone beat me up. depression hurts everywhere. only truthful commercial out there. marketing depression. it’s a sociopathic world, isn’t it. i read a great quote recently: depression is rage, spread thin. i thought that was very accurate.
i feel like i’m swimming in quicksand since he ‘invited’ me to his baby shower. the rage is just unbelievable. he was so aware of my loss of my son, my granddaughter, our child. if i could kill him and get away with it … i would.
I can honestly say I feel you today, LIG. I had a fantasy today about getting a gun (and I hate guns) and just shooting his balls off. It was a very elaborate fantasy where I arrange a meeting with his army captain in order to be able to get onto the base. Then I drop by his house and do the deed on the way to my meeting. I wonder what a castrated sociopath who is obsessed with sex does without his privates? (army pun purely unintentional).
I remember a granny did that to a guy who raped her granddaughter. She went to jail but was hailed as a heroine. I’m thinking it’s almost worth going to prison. At least in prison you have a roof over your head that they won’t foreclose on.