Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a young man, we’ll call him Kyle, who has just broken up with a woman whom he now believes is a sociopath. Based on the behavior he described, I’d say the guy is right. The woman cheated on him, and when confronted, either downplayed her behavior, said it was none of his business, or verbally attacked him. She had no interest in resolving problems. “Her solution to everything was to run, wait awhile, and then pile on affection as if nothing ever happened,” Kyle wrote.
Kyle has been researching sociopathy to try to grasp what is really going on with this woman. Here’s more of his e-mail, which I have reproduced with his permission:
First of all, I don’t believe criminal behavior, monetary fraud, substance abuse, or any other overt signs of social misconduct are primary symptoms of sociopathy. I suppose that’s the big question though… what is a primary sign? My theory is that the sociopath is incapable of developing personal values through the process of induction, meaning they are unable to look within themselves to gain a sense of self-esteem. This results their inability to experience empathy. After all, if one cannot generate a sense of self worth from their own reasoning how can they be expected to relate to others who do?
It seems in every case I have read about, the sociopath is an extravert. I think this is natural as the person must constantly be in contact with others because they find no satisfaction in themselves. Sociopaths also seem to be universally intelligent. (Perhaps these are the factors that differentiate a sociopath from a psychopath. Again, forgive my ignorance on the subject). What results is a charming individual who preys on other people to satisfy an endless hunger for temporary esteem. Because they cannot make sense of the internal values which should be generating this esteem, they simply try to get it from others, essentially reversing cause and effect.
In the end, this system never quite works, so they develop an incredible defense to avoid the fact that every close relationship falls apart. Every interaction is bounded by a series of rules/parameters. So long as the victim stays within these, things run smoothly. However, close human contact results in an emotional trade off that is impossible to control. Normally this is a tremendously good thing: trust, loyalty, and compassion are established. However, these all rely on a person’s sense of self worth, and the sociopath is not able to understand that. Sooner or later the relationship becomes too close and loses all stability. This is the point where the sociopath is “found out.”
In dealing with the woman, I felt a certain childlike quality to her emotions throughout our relationship. Though she was highly developed socially, in a lot of ways I almost felt like I was dealing with a puppy who just killed a small bird in the front yard. I think my mistake was in believing that I would be different. If I held my hand out she wouldn’t bite it. But I think this quality is misleading, as that naiveté is something the sociopath will avoid at all costs. They simply refuse to learn from their mistakes, or even acknowledge them in the first place. It seems to be a rare combination of a highly developed intellect and a poorly developed emotional response.
Perhaps at some point every sociopath learns to guard that core of insecurity at the deepest level and as such cannot even look at that, let alone analyze it and learn from it. In time, they develop an incredibly complex mechanism to guard this, adding another component with each deception. By early adulthood, these deceptions become so many that the cost is just too great to turn back, and it’s just so much easier to keep going that the thought never even crosses their mind.
These people are not normal
Kyle has correctly observed many traits of a sociopath: Criminality, fraud and substance abuse are not necessarily the prime indicators of this personality disorder. Sociopaths do not experience empathy. Sociopaths are extraverts. They are highly developed socially, but emotionally immature. They do not learn from mistakes.
However, his theories on why sociopaths are the way they are suffer from a fatal flaw: They are developed from the perspective of someone who is normal.
The hardest part of understanding what happened during our entanglements with sociopaths is coming to terms the extent to which these people are not normal.
Lovefraud readers have described sociopaths as not human. Aliens inhabiting human bodies. As cold as these descriptions may sound, they’re probably the easiest way to grasp what you are dealing with in a relationship with a sociopath.
So how different are they? Let’s take a look.
What sociopaths want
Normal people want love and harmonious relationships with others. Normal people want to feel competent in some form of endeavor. Normal people want to contribute to the world in some way.
Sociopaths want power, control and sex. Since they do not really value human relationships, they only want to win.
Kyle is correct in stating that sociopaths cannot look within themselves and develop personal values. He is incorrect in assuming that this causes the sociopath distress. Yes, these disordered people are empty inside, and they may be vaguely aware that they are missing something. But most sociopaths do not have issues with their self-esteem. If anything, they are grandiose, and their views of themselves are ridiculously inflated. They feel absolutely entitled to anything that they want, simply because they want it.
Self-esteem and sociopaths
Kyle speculates that sociopaths must be in constant contact with other people because they are trying to borrow self-esteem from others. This is not the case. Sociopaths view people as pawns to be manipulated into giving them what they want. Every social encounter is a potential feeding opportunity, a chance to convince someone to provide something.
Many people, of course, eventually catch on that they are being used, and stop serving as supply to the sociopaths. Sociopaths are aware of this—they’ve experienced it many times. So they are constantly on the lookout for new targets. When one victim is depleted, he or she must be replaced with another.
This leads to the answer to Kyle’s question, which is, “what is a primary sign of sociopathy?” Dr. Leedom has said lying. Steve Becker has said exploitative behavior. Put them together and you can say deceitful exploitation is central to the disorder.
Insecurity and sociopaths
Kyle suggests that sociopaths are insecure and build defense mechanisms to protect themselves from being hurt. By the time they’re adults, these defense mechanisms are so elaborate and complex that sociopaths can’t return to their authentic selves.
Again, he’s trying to interpret the sociopath based on how normal people may cope with personal issues. This is a mistake.
Wikipedia defines insecurity as, “a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving oneself to be unloved, inadequate or worthless.” Sociopaths probably should see themselves as unloved, inadequate or worthless, but they don’t. They may seem to be exhibiting insecurity, but in reality it’s one of two things:
- Frustration that they’re not getting what they want.
- Manipulation tactics to get what they want.
Sociopaths have no feelings, so there are no feelings to hurt. They can certainly pretend to be hurt, but it is a ruse designed to guilt others into giving them what they want.
Genetic roots
So if sociopaths are not trying to protect their deeply felt insecurities, where does this disorder come from? In most cases, the temperamental traits that lead to sociopathy are genetic. That usually means one of the parents is a sociopath, and sociopaths are notoriously bad parents. If a child is born with the traits, bad parenting can make them develop the full disorder.
But even if a child with the traits gets good parenting, the disorder can develop. Parents who have a child at risk of developing sociopathy need to take extra steps to help the child overcome his or her predisposition, but the parents may not realize it. And in some cases, even the best parenting is not enough to overcome negative genetics.
It is also possible for a mostly normal child who has extremely an extremely bad growth experience—such as being moved from foster home to foster home as a baby—can develop the disorder.
Accept and avoid
Please understand that I am not picking on Kyle. He’s obviously given a lot of thought to his experience with a sociopathic woman, and is trying to understand what happened. He has a reasonably good handle on normal behavior and normal motivations.
His letter simply provided me with an opportunity to illustrate that what we know and understand about normal human behavior simply does not apply to sociopaths. Thank you, Kyle, for allowing me to quote you.
In the end, we may not be able to truly comprehend sociopaths. The way they go through life is just too foreign to our natures. We must simply accept that they are very, very different from us, learn to recognize the symptoms, and if we see them, run for the hills.
star: good question. without their dicks i think they would want to be dead? after all, no tools of destruction.
Star,
A fantasy of revenge may light up your pleasure centers in your brain, and I know you are angry at him….and you have a right to be angry and to feel any way you want to, but hun, he is not worth one iota of your mind, time, etc.
Chill, and as wini would say “Breathe, breathe, breathe” and don’t work yourself into a tizzy—I do that so much and I am working on NOT doing it, to chill out instead….it is better for YOU than getting all that adrenaline flowing! Breathe, breathe, breathe! (((((hugs))))) De-stress, you’ve got “bigger fish to fry” worring about important things! He’s not important! YOU ARE!!!! (((hugs))))
Maybe he does have cancer, maybe he doesn’t. He sure as hell has ASPD. I don’t want any of it to be my problem anymore. I am tired and humiliated.
dang it– don’t you hate when you lose a post that you want to read all the time. Kathleen Hawk– you wrote me a killer one the ohter day about the Stockholme syndorme and other encouragement–
do you remember where it is?
I wish we had our own little emails or document spaces/journals here where we could cut and paste our fav blogs.
It would be very nice if we could click on each others ID’s and see all the postings created by that person…Just think, we could tell our stories there and wouldn’t have to repeat ourselves as much (more cyberspace for dealing with it).
I was saving all my postings, but finally gave up.
Thanks, OxD! I was actually able to relax a little after work and have a fun phone conversation and take a nap. You are right. It seems going down the path of rage and revenge is endless. I can just stay angry endlessly and obsess about how justice will never be served, like it isn’t for so many. OR I can change the station and not think about him. When I’m not thinking about him, the next things that pop into my mind are the HOA situation (which I’m very angry about) and the foreclosure situation (which I feel helpless about). If I can just get those things out of my mind for a few short minutes, I can feel the stress leave my body, and I actually don’t feel too bad. I was laughing on the phone tonight. People generally regard me as very happy, because for the most part I am a lighthearted person, in spite of all that is weighing me down at the moment. Someone posted on my reptile forum (before I quit) that they wish they could exude the pure joy that I do in some of my pictures. It’s funny I can exude that while in so much distress. Yet somewhere inside I can tap into the joy because it’s there anyway, under all the pain. There is something to be said about finding things to smile about even when you don’t feel like it. So much of how we feel is a choice.
Even under all this stress, I believe we have the power within us to make ourselves feel good and change our moods. I feel I have come too far in my healing to let these situational things make me feel bad. I pray for the strength to get past this stressful time in my life and move on to happier times. The S’s can take away months, even years of our time. They can take away people, money, and possessions. They can even rob us of our joy for a period of time. But they can’t take away who we are inside, and they can only extinguish our light if we let them. I refuse to let mine do that to me. If I need to stay off the reptile forum, so be it. There are other hobbies. Maybe I will take up painting.
Okay, I went back and re-read some of the messages I missed. OxD, Wini, and Keeping faith, your words hit home, especially the part about the call of the sirens. You are right, Oxy, I am at a crossroads here, and I am choosing the higher road. No friendships or hobbies are worth having more stress and negativity in my life. As far as warning my friends on the site, that is the one part that I regret not doing. I don’t know if I can do it without it backfiring on me. Back in July when I was in so much pain, I trusted a few people from there to tell the story to. Two of them ended up becoming supportive friends. The others betrayed me and it really hurt. I wish I knew who I could warn. It would be empowering to do it. That is one of the worst parts–walking away and leaving my friends to the wolves. There are many girls in their twenties on that site and they would be easy prey for someone like him. If I ever came back to the site in a year and saw that he had gotten his clutches into them, it would kill me.
I am actually considering giving up all my possessions and going into a monastery (Buddhist) for a while. I think the animals and material things here I’m attached to really bog me down. Acquiring all this stuff over the years has been fun and challenging…..having pride in being a homeowner, the gorgeous furniture I bought off Craig’s list, my new appliances…………they all have meant a lot to me, coming from a place of extreme poverty. But maybe it’s time to let go of some of that. I just don’t think I can let go of my animals, though, even the snakes. I can’t imagine who else would give them as good of a home.
Sorry, I’m rambling. I have appreciated all the responses to my situation.
Star,
Before you make a BIG decision (like going into a monestary) while you are still under a lot of stress (It is basic good sense to not make any BIG decisions like this without some long term planning and studied calm)—-
Look at the RELATIVE PRIORITY OF WHAT IS GOING ON.
The “Reptile site” is important to you, just like LF is important to me, and I believe to you as well.
But, in the end, what IS that Reptile Site, and what ARE those people there? They are people you chat with on the internet (unless you have an outside relationship with them as well)
In the scheme of your LIFE’s path, why have you made that CYBER WORLD so important? Those Cyber people so important?
Well, I can tell you how I feel about lovefraud and why it is important to me, but if for some reason there was someone on here blogging as well, say my mother or my X BF or my P-son, I WOULD NOT HESITATE FOR ONE MOMENT TO GET OFF LOVEFRAUD AND NEVER LOOK BACK. I would be somewhat sad because I would miss the others that I cared about, but it wouldn’t be an EARTH SHAKING BIG DEAL.
So I suggest you examine why losing a “cyber site” even one that you enoy such a BIG DEAL FOR YOU. How has that cyber site become such a FOCUS of your life, even if it is a place you enjoy. Why is it REALLY such a big stress for you to just NC that site?
As far as your foreclosure, I would work on that as much as I could if it is possible at all that anyone might work with you on it.There are SO MNAY foreclosures now that the banks are really NOT wanting to push people out of the homes as there are NO BUYERS and the property sits there empty and goes to hell.
Since you are at a “crossroads” where you are going to have to make some choices, consider those choices carefully as there will not be any coming back to that same crossroads easily. Look at what is REALLY and truly important to your life, your health, your physical and emotional needs.
Going to a monestary where none of those problems might be there might be a nice thing, and yet, those problems will GO WITH YOU most likely.
Buddhists I think are of the opinion that attachment to things gives us pain, and I think your attachment to the reptile site is giving you a great deal of pain to “give up” so maybe this is an opportunity for learning. An opportunity to grow.
I am getting to the point now that attachement to things or people is getting easier to let go of if they cause me stress and/or pain. Stressful and painful things are becoming pretty unimportant in my life and are much easier to let go of if the pain is continual or unnecessary.
Dear Oxy,
thank you so much for your kind words! Yes, the patients kept me alive with their consideration and kindness, and lots of them lately said I see you are getting better now! Although I tried very hard for not letting them see my situation (after all they have cancer and I had “just had something about a man”!).
Stargazer: Try not to behave at work or at the beloved reptile site like the nutcase he wants you to appear, just be correct and polite, and the nice ones will keep being nice/normal and the “silent treatment ones” get very pissed as they see they do not have the power to make you feel bad about yourself. You will sense this, and you will feel great joy inside. Just try to be as the oil that swims on top of the soup, and stay put no matter how wild the others are trying to stir the broth and get you “Under the surface”. Not let the others know too much about yourself, as it all might backfire.
And DO NOT GO TO A MONASTERY!! My best friend who also happens to be a oncologist treated once a nun and a monk, and both told her the most horrible stories about N and P IN THE cloister, and you do not have a chance to leave and you have to obey, and humility is very important, and they got humiliated a LOT! My friend told me also that both had very miserably died with lots of remorse and feelings of guilt and not at all feeling kept in the faith (they were both catholics, and very “old school”)
Maybe the buddhists are better, but I suggest to “stay and play” on reptile sites and face the obstacles in life instead of run, because one has to get over the “more of the same”, i.e. not passing the life lesson now but to repeat it with other players later on. Here you KNOW the enemy, you have the insight and you can BE the snake. I imagine you being a wonderful nice lazy python relaxing about a jungle tree, not being bothered by the little poisonous rattle snakes. Just let the sun shine on you, keep a low profile and let the others rattle! (and watch out not becoming a beautiful Prada handbag!!!) I wish you a very relaxing evening, and hang in there! I am sure you will make it ON THE REPTILE SITE!
Thanks for all the input, OxD and libelle. I am not making any big decisions at the moment. I definitely agree that I have formed attachments to the reptile site and many of the members, some of who have become actual friends (those people know all about the S and will not talk to him). And yes, it does rip my heart out to leave, partly because it is a great place to get support for raising my snakes. That’s why I got on it in the first place. Also, for a lot of the potential places I want to move to (such as Austin, TX) there are site members who would welcome me. I know I am addicted to the cyberworld. But libelle, OxD is 100% correct on this one. I have to leave for my own peace of mind. I cannot and will not blog in the same community as the sociopath. That would be ridiculous and would be psychological suicide. I’d see him there lying and playing people, and I wouldn’t be able to do anything about it or even warn people. I will break the addiction to the site. And there is still a small possiblity that my friends (or the army) will drive him off the site. But he’s sneaky. He has opened up a second account under a different name, so he would be able to blog on my threads without me even knowing! I feel more peaceful already being off the site for a day. I still talk on the phone and email with some friends there. If they want to expose him and cause drama in my name….oh well. I’m gone, so I won’t know anything about it. Therefore, I don’t care.
As far as a decision to join the monastery, this would not be a flip decision for me. I almost ordained when I was in my 20’s, and it has always been at the back of my mind. I think it would be a wonderful way to spend my final years, in meditation. I would probably have to give up my cats, though. That is the one thing I could not do. So I may have to wait until they pass away, which will be within the next 5 years. I don’t know if Buddhists are like Catholics. I’m sure there is the same political BS everywhere. I know in countries like Thailand, where there are many Buddhist monasteries, women are treated differently than here. I’m not sure what I will do. I have even considered planning for a move to South America. Once my credit it ruined, my choices will be severely limited here.