Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a young man, we’ll call him Kyle, who has just broken up with a woman whom he now believes is a sociopath. Based on the behavior he described, I’d say the guy is right. The woman cheated on him, and when confronted, either downplayed her behavior, said it was none of his business, or verbally attacked him. She had no interest in resolving problems. “Her solution to everything was to run, wait awhile, and then pile on affection as if nothing ever happened,” Kyle wrote.
Kyle has been researching sociopathy to try to grasp what is really going on with this woman. Here’s more of his e-mail, which I have reproduced with his permission:
First of all, I don’t believe criminal behavior, monetary fraud, substance abuse, or any other overt signs of social misconduct are primary symptoms of sociopathy. I suppose that’s the big question though… what is a primary sign? My theory is that the sociopath is incapable of developing personal values through the process of induction, meaning they are unable to look within themselves to gain a sense of self-esteem. This results their inability to experience empathy. After all, if one cannot generate a sense of self worth from their own reasoning how can they be expected to relate to others who do?
It seems in every case I have read about, the sociopath is an extravert. I think this is natural as the person must constantly be in contact with others because they find no satisfaction in themselves. Sociopaths also seem to be universally intelligent. (Perhaps these are the factors that differentiate a sociopath from a psychopath. Again, forgive my ignorance on the subject). What results is a charming individual who preys on other people to satisfy an endless hunger for temporary esteem. Because they cannot make sense of the internal values which should be generating this esteem, they simply try to get it from others, essentially reversing cause and effect.
In the end, this system never quite works, so they develop an incredible defense to avoid the fact that every close relationship falls apart. Every interaction is bounded by a series of rules/parameters. So long as the victim stays within these, things run smoothly. However, close human contact results in an emotional trade off that is impossible to control. Normally this is a tremendously good thing: trust, loyalty, and compassion are established. However, these all rely on a person’s sense of self worth, and the sociopath is not able to understand that. Sooner or later the relationship becomes too close and loses all stability. This is the point where the sociopath is “found out.”
In dealing with the woman, I felt a certain childlike quality to her emotions throughout our relationship. Though she was highly developed socially, in a lot of ways I almost felt like I was dealing with a puppy who just killed a small bird in the front yard. I think my mistake was in believing that I would be different. If I held my hand out she wouldn’t bite it. But I think this quality is misleading, as that naiveté is something the sociopath will avoid at all costs. They simply refuse to learn from their mistakes, or even acknowledge them in the first place. It seems to be a rare combination of a highly developed intellect and a poorly developed emotional response.
Perhaps at some point every sociopath learns to guard that core of insecurity at the deepest level and as such cannot even look at that, let alone analyze it and learn from it. In time, they develop an incredibly complex mechanism to guard this, adding another component with each deception. By early adulthood, these deceptions become so many that the cost is just too great to turn back, and it’s just so much easier to keep going that the thought never even crosses their mind.
These people are not normal
Kyle has correctly observed many traits of a sociopath: Criminality, fraud and substance abuse are not necessarily the prime indicators of this personality disorder. Sociopaths do not experience empathy. Sociopaths are extraverts. They are highly developed socially, but emotionally immature. They do not learn from mistakes.
However, his theories on why sociopaths are the way they are suffer from a fatal flaw: They are developed from the perspective of someone who is normal.
The hardest part of understanding what happened during our entanglements with sociopaths is coming to terms the extent to which these people are not normal.
Lovefraud readers have described sociopaths as not human. Aliens inhabiting human bodies. As cold as these descriptions may sound, they’re probably the easiest way to grasp what you are dealing with in a relationship with a sociopath.
So how different are they? Let’s take a look.
What sociopaths want
Normal people want love and harmonious relationships with others. Normal people want to feel competent in some form of endeavor. Normal people want to contribute to the world in some way.
Sociopaths want power, control and sex. Since they do not really value human relationships, they only want to win.
Kyle is correct in stating that sociopaths cannot look within themselves and develop personal values. He is incorrect in assuming that this causes the sociopath distress. Yes, these disordered people are empty inside, and they may be vaguely aware that they are missing something. But most sociopaths do not have issues with their self-esteem. If anything, they are grandiose, and their views of themselves are ridiculously inflated. They feel absolutely entitled to anything that they want, simply because they want it.
Self-esteem and sociopaths
Kyle speculates that sociopaths must be in constant contact with other people because they are trying to borrow self-esteem from others. This is not the case. Sociopaths view people as pawns to be manipulated into giving them what they want. Every social encounter is a potential feeding opportunity, a chance to convince someone to provide something.
Many people, of course, eventually catch on that they are being used, and stop serving as supply to the sociopaths. Sociopaths are aware of this—they’ve experienced it many times. So they are constantly on the lookout for new targets. When one victim is depleted, he or she must be replaced with another.
This leads to the answer to Kyle’s question, which is, “what is a primary sign of sociopathy?” Dr. Leedom has said lying. Steve Becker has said exploitative behavior. Put them together and you can say deceitful exploitation is central to the disorder.
Insecurity and sociopaths
Kyle suggests that sociopaths are insecure and build defense mechanisms to protect themselves from being hurt. By the time they’re adults, these defense mechanisms are so elaborate and complex that sociopaths can’t return to their authentic selves.
Again, he’s trying to interpret the sociopath based on how normal people may cope with personal issues. This is a mistake.
Wikipedia defines insecurity as, “a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving oneself to be unloved, inadequate or worthless.” Sociopaths probably should see themselves as unloved, inadequate or worthless, but they don’t. They may seem to be exhibiting insecurity, but in reality it’s one of two things:
- Frustration that they’re not getting what they want.
- Manipulation tactics to get what they want.
Sociopaths have no feelings, so there are no feelings to hurt. They can certainly pretend to be hurt, but it is a ruse designed to guilt others into giving them what they want.
Genetic roots
So if sociopaths are not trying to protect their deeply felt insecurities, where does this disorder come from? In most cases, the temperamental traits that lead to sociopathy are genetic. That usually means one of the parents is a sociopath, and sociopaths are notoriously bad parents. If a child is born with the traits, bad parenting can make them develop the full disorder.
But even if a child with the traits gets good parenting, the disorder can develop. Parents who have a child at risk of developing sociopathy need to take extra steps to help the child overcome his or her predisposition, but the parents may not realize it. And in some cases, even the best parenting is not enough to overcome negative genetics.
It is also possible for a mostly normal child who has extremely an extremely bad growth experience—such as being moved from foster home to foster home as a baby—can develop the disorder.
Accept and avoid
Please understand that I am not picking on Kyle. He’s obviously given a lot of thought to his experience with a sociopathic woman, and is trying to understand what happened. He has a reasonably good handle on normal behavior and normal motivations.
His letter simply provided me with an opportunity to illustrate that what we know and understand about normal human behavior simply does not apply to sociopaths. Thank you, Kyle, for allowing me to quote you.
In the end, we may not be able to truly comprehend sociopaths. The way they go through life is just too foreign to our natures. We must simply accept that they are very, very different from us, learn to recognize the symptoms, and if we see them, run for the hills.
None, are you IndigoBlue? YOu sound very familiar. Plus you mentioned his name. Or are you saying is is a psychopath? I feel there is something going on here……..anyway, please reread my last post about why I cannot be on the site with him there.
I am actually thinking about starting my own site, though I have no computer skills or money to do it.
Star: Can you write out each of these different issues on separate sheets of paper, and sit with each issue for awhile? Each issue brings a whole host of new issues with it.
For example, moving to a foreign country means that you have to consider the economics of that new location. One common tragedy a few years ago was the travel-bum who would buy a round-trip ticket to South America, and then realize how cheaply s/he could live, so s/he would sell the other half of the ticket and stay to live on the money for the next six months. The problem was that there was never a way to earn the money in the local economy to EVER buy a ticket back to the states.
Right now you have a home. If you did the “worst” thing possible and just stopped paying your mortgage, you’d have some months of living “rent free.” I’m not recommending that, but consider these things carefully before you make decisions that take away your other options. As of December, banks started to agree on ways to handle loan modifications. Since then the banks are tuning up the ways that they will work with borrowers, and that includes tacking back payments onto the back end of the mortgage, along with re-writing interest rates, etc., etc.
Regarding becoming a Buddhist in Thailand, though, I STRONGLY urge you to learn about the country and the customs, and don’t even think about it unless you’ve visited. When I was there, I struggled with the local culture, and not because I disrespected them. I knew that for me, a woman, to have my head higher than that of a holy man was a gross insult. When I arrived in Bangkok, I stepped through customs and into a sea of yellow-robed monks surrounding an obvious holy man. Everyone glared at me: at 5’9″ I was an American woman who stood almost a head taller than most of them, so I was clearly insulting them! I couldn’t duck, bend my knees, or contort myself small enough to NOT insult them — and that scene played out over the several months that I spent traveling around Thailand.
For Thai women, the primary occupation is in the sex trade, or variations of the sex trade: probably not what you were thinking.
If you explore “intentional communities” on-line, you might find the kind of spiritual retreat you seem to be considering, but again — those groups tend to attract the charismatic, control-driven, . . . um, you get my drift.
Thanks, Rune,
That’s exactly what I was talking about with Thai monasteries–they treat women differently. Don’t worry, I will research everything very carefully. I doubt I could even bring my animals to a foreign country. I am not making any quick decisions. I have been thinking about this foreclosure for 2 years now.
And will someone please tell me if None is Indigo Blue? I really get nervous about deceptions of any sort. I’m sure you all understand. I’m not sure why None did not answer my question.
Indi, I did not see where you had responded to my question, so thanks for letting me know who you are. You’re not scoring points calling people derogatory names like “old bitty”. Also, I did not totally catch your meaning in that last post. Would you stay on a site if your P suddenly appeared on it and starting befriending people?
henry:
You told lostingrief: “There is so much left for you, please stop measuring yourself by his yard stick.”
Yardstick. She should have been so lucky. Inchworm, perhaps?
Matt, you missed your calling. Stand up comedy. I’m telling you. ROF!!!!
OxD,
I think one of the reason I get so addicted to the reptile site is that I do not have any biological family. I have friends but most of them don’t like snakes or are not real animal people. There is just a bond I have with some of these forum people that I just do not have with my other friends.
Star,
I can relate to not having many biological family members, and at times I have lived where I had none closer than half a world away. I have found though, that “family” is what you make it, not the “hand you are dealt.”
If “family” was ONLY posible with those that we are biologically related to, there would be many people without any kind of hope for a close relationship.
“Blood family” was important to me as I grew up and I was related to most of my grandparents’ neighbors, but you know, as Jesus said (paraphrased) “he who loves me is my brother.” I am realizing now that BLOOD IS NOT THICKER THAN LOVE—the people who love me are my FAMILY. People who don’t love me (and treat me with kindness, concern and respect) are NOT my family, even if I gave birth to them, or if they gave birth to me.
I made a conscious decision a few years back to decrease the NUMBER of people I spent a great deal of time with and to limit it to spending MORE TIME with those people who I was really close to, rather than spending dribs and drabs of time with people I realy was just “passing time with”—I don’t regret that decision. My “circle of friends” is much smaller number wise, but it is closer and more meaningful.
For a long time I didn’t even take “applications” for new friendships, but here lately I have been making new friends, and my sons and I have been moving out and meeting new people and doing new things, both together as a family and separately as individuals.
I’ve always been more “family oriented,” even when the kids were little, and tended to do activities I could include my kids in or my friends and their kids as well. Our living history group is a “family-type” group with both adult activities and adult activities and we enjoy that very much.
Tomorrow we are going on a trail ride with some new friends and their families, which is something we haven’t done in a long time, but are looking forward to new activities and meeting new people. It has been a long time since I was really even interested in meeting new people, but things are “looking up” now and I’m more open to new friendships. I have the ENERGY for it now. Maybe you can try looking for new ways to socialize with some new people and some new interests. I know you love your snakes and kitties, but maybe look for some new things of interest to occupy your time and interests. Expand your horizons somewhat.
There are all kinds of groups that will usually welcome new members—everything from book clubs to volunteer activities. These are great places to meet new people and to form new alliances. Chin up Star!!! You’ve got a lot to offer, now get out there and find something positive to do, there are lots of things that don’t cost a dime to participate in and I think you have focused on the reptile site tooooooo long. Not get out there and have some fun before I have to chase you donw with the skillet! LOL ((((Hugs))))) THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES! LOL ROTFLMAO
Lost in grief–
I just read your prose above.
I don’t believe in love and all that.
i can’t believe how I could have written that.
My life is so tainted. It is Valentine’s day.
My exhusband is a good, humble, honest, hardworking man who truly loves me.
He took me to dinner and all I can think about is how much I miss my S.
I must be nuts!!!!!!!
I hate Valentines Day. hate it.
It was fun as a kid– BEFORE we knew what love Was.
Eros love that is.
Dear Meg,
I believe in love, I look in the mirror, and I love that old woman who always gets in front of me when I look in the mirror. She also gets into my closet and alters my clothes so they are too tight, and she moves things around and hides them from me.
If I go out and try on new clothes, the size I always wear, she jumps in front of me in the mirror and all I can see is how fat she is, I can’t even see how nice the dress fits ME. I don’t remember exactly when this old woman moved into my house, and the only time I see her is in the mirror, but I know she is here….and yea, you ARE nuts! We all are nuts! But we’re the kind of “nuts” I am glad to say that it must be “nuts” to believe in love, but I would rather believe in love than be one of THEM that can’t love or can’t believe! Or can’t really laugh!
So, yea, I believe in love—even that old woman in the mirror. ((((hugs))))) Happy valentines day!