Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a young man, we’ll call him Kyle, who has just broken up with a woman whom he now believes is a sociopath. Based on the behavior he described, I’d say the guy is right. The woman cheated on him, and when confronted, either downplayed her behavior, said it was none of his business, or verbally attacked him. She had no interest in resolving problems. “Her solution to everything was to run, wait awhile, and then pile on affection as if nothing ever happened,” Kyle wrote.
Kyle has been researching sociopathy to try to grasp what is really going on with this woman. Here’s more of his e-mail, which I have reproduced with his permission:
First of all, I don’t believe criminal behavior, monetary fraud, substance abuse, or any other overt signs of social misconduct are primary symptoms of sociopathy. I suppose that’s the big question though… what is a primary sign? My theory is that the sociopath is incapable of developing personal values through the process of induction, meaning they are unable to look within themselves to gain a sense of self-esteem. This results their inability to experience empathy. After all, if one cannot generate a sense of self worth from their own reasoning how can they be expected to relate to others who do?
It seems in every case I have read about, the sociopath is an extravert. I think this is natural as the person must constantly be in contact with others because they find no satisfaction in themselves. Sociopaths also seem to be universally intelligent. (Perhaps these are the factors that differentiate a sociopath from a psychopath. Again, forgive my ignorance on the subject). What results is a charming individual who preys on other people to satisfy an endless hunger for temporary esteem. Because they cannot make sense of the internal values which should be generating this esteem, they simply try to get it from others, essentially reversing cause and effect.
In the end, this system never quite works, so they develop an incredible defense to avoid the fact that every close relationship falls apart. Every interaction is bounded by a series of rules/parameters. So long as the victim stays within these, things run smoothly. However, close human contact results in an emotional trade off that is impossible to control. Normally this is a tremendously good thing: trust, loyalty, and compassion are established. However, these all rely on a person’s sense of self worth, and the sociopath is not able to understand that. Sooner or later the relationship becomes too close and loses all stability. This is the point where the sociopath is “found out.”
In dealing with the woman, I felt a certain childlike quality to her emotions throughout our relationship. Though she was highly developed socially, in a lot of ways I almost felt like I was dealing with a puppy who just killed a small bird in the front yard. I think my mistake was in believing that I would be different. If I held my hand out she wouldn’t bite it. But I think this quality is misleading, as that naiveté is something the sociopath will avoid at all costs. They simply refuse to learn from their mistakes, or even acknowledge them in the first place. It seems to be a rare combination of a highly developed intellect and a poorly developed emotional response.
Perhaps at some point every sociopath learns to guard that core of insecurity at the deepest level and as such cannot even look at that, let alone analyze it and learn from it. In time, they develop an incredibly complex mechanism to guard this, adding another component with each deception. By early adulthood, these deceptions become so many that the cost is just too great to turn back, and it’s just so much easier to keep going that the thought never even crosses their mind.
These people are not normal
Kyle has correctly observed many traits of a sociopath: Criminality, fraud and substance abuse are not necessarily the prime indicators of this personality disorder. Sociopaths do not experience empathy. Sociopaths are extraverts. They are highly developed socially, but emotionally immature. They do not learn from mistakes.
However, his theories on why sociopaths are the way they are suffer from a fatal flaw: They are developed from the perspective of someone who is normal.
The hardest part of understanding what happened during our entanglements with sociopaths is coming to terms the extent to which these people are not normal.
Lovefraud readers have described sociopaths as not human. Aliens inhabiting human bodies. As cold as these descriptions may sound, they’re probably the easiest way to grasp what you are dealing with in a relationship with a sociopath.
So how different are they? Let’s take a look.
What sociopaths want
Normal people want love and harmonious relationships with others. Normal people want to feel competent in some form of endeavor. Normal people want to contribute to the world in some way.
Sociopaths want power, control and sex. Since they do not really value human relationships, they only want to win.
Kyle is correct in stating that sociopaths cannot look within themselves and develop personal values. He is incorrect in assuming that this causes the sociopath distress. Yes, these disordered people are empty inside, and they may be vaguely aware that they are missing something. But most sociopaths do not have issues with their self-esteem. If anything, they are grandiose, and their views of themselves are ridiculously inflated. They feel absolutely entitled to anything that they want, simply because they want it.
Self-esteem and sociopaths
Kyle speculates that sociopaths must be in constant contact with other people because they are trying to borrow self-esteem from others. This is not the case. Sociopaths view people as pawns to be manipulated into giving them what they want. Every social encounter is a potential feeding opportunity, a chance to convince someone to provide something.
Many people, of course, eventually catch on that they are being used, and stop serving as supply to the sociopaths. Sociopaths are aware of this—they’ve experienced it many times. So they are constantly on the lookout for new targets. When one victim is depleted, he or she must be replaced with another.
This leads to the answer to Kyle’s question, which is, “what is a primary sign of sociopathy?” Dr. Leedom has said lying. Steve Becker has said exploitative behavior. Put them together and you can say deceitful exploitation is central to the disorder.
Insecurity and sociopaths
Kyle suggests that sociopaths are insecure and build defense mechanisms to protect themselves from being hurt. By the time they’re adults, these defense mechanisms are so elaborate and complex that sociopaths can’t return to their authentic selves.
Again, he’s trying to interpret the sociopath based on how normal people may cope with personal issues. This is a mistake.
Wikipedia defines insecurity as, “a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving oneself to be unloved, inadequate or worthless.” Sociopaths probably should see themselves as unloved, inadequate or worthless, but they don’t. They may seem to be exhibiting insecurity, but in reality it’s one of two things:
- Frustration that they’re not getting what they want.
- Manipulation tactics to get what they want.
Sociopaths have no feelings, so there are no feelings to hurt. They can certainly pretend to be hurt, but it is a ruse designed to guilt others into giving them what they want.
Genetic roots
So if sociopaths are not trying to protect their deeply felt insecurities, where does this disorder come from? In most cases, the temperamental traits that lead to sociopathy are genetic. That usually means one of the parents is a sociopath, and sociopaths are notoriously bad parents. If a child is born with the traits, bad parenting can make them develop the full disorder.
But even if a child with the traits gets good parenting, the disorder can develop. Parents who have a child at risk of developing sociopathy need to take extra steps to help the child overcome his or her predisposition, but the parents may not realize it. And in some cases, even the best parenting is not enough to overcome negative genetics.
It is also possible for a mostly normal child who has extremely an extremely bad growth experience—such as being moved from foster home to foster home as a baby—can develop the disorder.
Accept and avoid
Please understand that I am not picking on Kyle. He’s obviously given a lot of thought to his experience with a sociopathic woman, and is trying to understand what happened. He has a reasonably good handle on normal behavior and normal motivations.
His letter simply provided me with an opportunity to illustrate that what we know and understand about normal human behavior simply does not apply to sociopaths. Thank you, Kyle, for allowing me to quote you.
In the end, we may not be able to truly comprehend sociopaths. The way they go through life is just too foreign to our natures. We must simply accept that they are very, very different from us, learn to recognize the symptoms, and if we see them, run for the hills.
Ok. My ex-S was quiet yet raged and had tantrums. Would help older people (I always thought this was because he rec’d accolades from everyone about how great this was). He is a liar and a cheat and will con and manipulate in a second. Does that make him true sociopath? Oh yes I met him when he was in a 12 step program and actively working it; when he didn’t all hell broke lose and life was a roller coaster ride. He always wanted my attention in a parasitic way.
Matt: Tell your EX’s sister to log onto this site and read all that she can read. When she is ready, she too will start blogging.
My theory is that envy and jealousy are the very first sins to cloud the eyes to reality around them. Envy and jealousy run their lives from the time they are very young. I say this because my sister who is almost a year older than I … was jealous just for the fact that I was born. At the tender age of a little over a year, she started hating me because I was now the baby in the family (taking away the attention she once received). Due to my birth … she starting hating our mother. My parents couldn’t do a thing with her.
To this day, my sister hates our Mom and we lost our Mom in 1999. My sister has yet to mourn this great loss.
I finally had it with my sister (she kept insisting that I take responsibility for my bosses and my EXs actions) … like I have some magic wand that I wave over people’s heads, put them in a trance … to make them do what they do. My sister always tells me … “I never have this kind of problem with people, why do you”? I have to sit there and bite my tongue … knowing that my sister is one of these people we are talking about (I’m shaking my head on this one). I told her, “growing up with you is why I could recognize this insanity in others. It’s so familiar to me.
I keep telling her … if I’m some kind of svengali … that can get people to do my bidding … don’t you think I’d be at the race tracks every day … putting my money on the winning horse??? After all, if I could svengali people to do my bidding, it would be a snap to have this power over animals too!
I finally told my sister to “get over the fact of hating me for being born … and get over the fact of hating our mother because she gave birth to me”. Instead of my sister understanding this statement … she refuses to talk with me. My last parting words to her were to read the Bible 20 minutes a day … or Tolle’s book “A New Earth” … take your pick, I’d prefer the Bible, then come back and have an intelligent conversation with me.
Needless to say Matt, that conversation didn’t get any where with her.
But, it’s been peaceful in my life since June or July of last summer.
As I wrote, they are blinded by one of those vices … and it starts younger than what anyone would believe. Starting to live in your big EGO at such a tender age … they have no clue that they destroyed their lives already … even from the age of 1 and 1/2 years old. I suspect this is the same with my EXs … being jealous of his younger brother and having to share the attention with his other 2 siblings. There are 4 of them in his family.
On Oprah’s show tonight, was a repeat of a Dad who’s youngest son shot and killed his mother and brother. He sits on death row today. I wished they’d do a series of interviews and ask if he was jealous of his brother … and the jealousy and anger clouded his life from an early age.
Peace.
swehrli:
Even if he doesn’t meet every standard on the Hare PCL checklist, if he fits any of the criteria, that’s reason enough to get out.
On other threads people have commented that the degrees of sociopathy, for lack of a better description, run a continum, or perhaps run from white to shades of gray, to black.
I’ve learned the hard way that it doesn’t matter how they rate — if they’ve got the tendencies, I’m going to be made miserable and pay dearly.
Raged and had tantrums. Help older people (to look good). Liar. Cheat. Con. Manipulative. Monopolizing your attention. Sounds to me like your’s meets most of the criteria.
But, then again, I’m a biased observer.
keeping_faith
“i can relate to all that you wrote and i feel that i have made progress simply because i can evaluate a situation now by looking at it first in terms of how it benefits me or affects me. i guess the nice thing is that i have to deliberately make myself think this way where withe the sociopath it is inate.”
Guess what I wanted to say is that I am at a point were I just don’t care what or if anything they feel or think. It’s all so strange to me anyway. In the beginning I was so confused so hurt. But now I finally am at a place where I see it doesn’t affect me. I need time for me now and time for what I want. I still feel some shame because I allow this abuse between us which did affect our children for so long that I only wished I knew half of what I know today. God I WOULD HAD ENDED IT SOONER! I would have found a way to get my children and I out of that madness if only I knew what I know today. That is my only regret and source of shame…
Donna Andersen,
Is there a time when someone gets to a point where they just don’t care about what their ex s/p do feel or think. I mean I am at a place of peace which I enjoy so much. I never knew I could have this type of peace in my life. I see the smiling faces on my children and tell my self. I must be doing something right? Is this just another part of the process? Peace and goodwill for ourselves and others?… Having the ability to love and give love without fear? I hope so for that is how I feel. I still have good and bad days, but not like when I was with my ex s/p. Now these good and bad days are my and my alone. I too had a dream and it’s come true for me…
I Have a Dream full speech by Martin Luther King Jr
“When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God’s children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, “Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!”
Swehrli: 12-step is another hangout for these guys, I’ve found. They can troll for vulnerable people, while using the 12-step story to get pity and make themselves look even more noble. Gacckkk.
Mine was a twelve-stepper (several different 12 step groups). And he used it to meet vulnerable women, exactly like Rune said. And, aren’t you supposed to have a male sponsor if you are a guy????
And he totally used 12 step language as a tool. When I would ask him where he was “last night” when he had disappeared, he would say “Let’s keep it in the day!” “One day at a time.” He used all the slogans to avoid responsibility for any of his actions.
12 step groups are great for many people in recovery. But a playground and toolbox for Sociopaths.
HH: 12-step is another sort of church playground. I believe any time we try to apply any formula to FIXING these twisted creatures, we are once again falling into the trap of trying to understand them with our NORMAL minds.
Sorry, Wini, I just don’t buy any of the SIN vs. VIRTUE stuff around this. If preaching helped, how come they enjoy being in the pulpit so much? A la Jim Jones, David Koresh, Ted Haggard, to mention some recognizable names.
James, your question is a good one and maybe someone who has had more time in between the last contact with an S/P, can answer that.
In the glimpses of happiness and “normalcy” I still feel angry and hurt and ashamed as well. When does the happiness become greater than the pain? When do the bad memories and nightmares stop? I want a day when I don’t think about him or his stupidity. Will that day ever come?
Does anyone have a success story of happiness after this kind of experience?
Obsessive thoughts feed obsessive thoughts. As you relive the memories, you continue to feed the vitality of those old experiences, keeping them fresh so you can relive and relive and wish that somehow things were different. But since you aren’t changing your thought patterns with new ones, ummmm, the outcome is unfortunately predictable, and — my opinion — may even encourage your thoughts that “If I could just see him and explain (hear his apology, etc., etc.),” and then you’re thinking of breaking NC, and so on.
I’ve heard that a more successful approach to dieting is to change up the life patterns, and pull the focus OFF OF THE FOOD. People who obsessively count calories, buy packaged diet food, etc., can get locked into another form of food-fetish and not be able to get over their addiction to food.
While you’re coming to terms with this new understanding of all that past experience, you may need to relive the old scenes for awhile. But consider balancing that by bringing in new experience to help “rewrite the R/W CD in your brain!”
Rune,
I hear you. I have been working on going to new places, doing different things, meeting different people. I have started painting, dancing…….then he starts showing up at my gym at the times I usually go so I have to mix it up again and go somewhere else. It’s on purpose. He is healthy again (after a heart attack) and he is unemployed so he can go to the gym mid afternoon when he knows I am at work if he wanted to avoid me…..but no. Suddenly he is showing up early on weekends and late afternoon during the week. Just another reason why I want to move from here.
Rune, Did you get the link I sent earlier to Pierce Howard? I thought you may be interested in his books and research.