Lovefraud recently received an e-mail from a young man, we’ll call him Kyle, who has just broken up with a woman whom he now believes is a sociopath. Based on the behavior he described, I’d say the guy is right. The woman cheated on him, and when confronted, either downplayed her behavior, said it was none of his business, or verbally attacked him. She had no interest in resolving problems. “Her solution to everything was to run, wait awhile, and then pile on affection as if nothing ever happened,” Kyle wrote.
Kyle has been researching sociopathy to try to grasp what is really going on with this woman. Here’s more of his e-mail, which I have reproduced with his permission:
First of all, I don’t believe criminal behavior, monetary fraud, substance abuse, or any other overt signs of social misconduct are primary symptoms of sociopathy. I suppose that’s the big question though… what is a primary sign? My theory is that the sociopath is incapable of developing personal values through the process of induction, meaning they are unable to look within themselves to gain a sense of self-esteem. This results their inability to experience empathy. After all, if one cannot generate a sense of self worth from their own reasoning how can they be expected to relate to others who do?
It seems in every case I have read about, the sociopath is an extravert. I think this is natural as the person must constantly be in contact with others because they find no satisfaction in themselves. Sociopaths also seem to be universally intelligent. (Perhaps these are the factors that differentiate a sociopath from a psychopath. Again, forgive my ignorance on the subject). What results is a charming individual who preys on other people to satisfy an endless hunger for temporary esteem. Because they cannot make sense of the internal values which should be generating this esteem, they simply try to get it from others, essentially reversing cause and effect.
In the end, this system never quite works, so they develop an incredible defense to avoid the fact that every close relationship falls apart. Every interaction is bounded by a series of rules/parameters. So long as the victim stays within these, things run smoothly. However, close human contact results in an emotional trade off that is impossible to control. Normally this is a tremendously good thing: trust, loyalty, and compassion are established. However, these all rely on a person’s sense of self worth, and the sociopath is not able to understand that. Sooner or later the relationship becomes too close and loses all stability. This is the point where the sociopath is “found out.”
In dealing with the woman, I felt a certain childlike quality to her emotions throughout our relationship. Though she was highly developed socially, in a lot of ways I almost felt like I was dealing with a puppy who just killed a small bird in the front yard. I think my mistake was in believing that I would be different. If I held my hand out she wouldn’t bite it. But I think this quality is misleading, as that naiveté is something the sociopath will avoid at all costs. They simply refuse to learn from their mistakes, or even acknowledge them in the first place. It seems to be a rare combination of a highly developed intellect and a poorly developed emotional response.
Perhaps at some point every sociopath learns to guard that core of insecurity at the deepest level and as such cannot even look at that, let alone analyze it and learn from it. In time, they develop an incredibly complex mechanism to guard this, adding another component with each deception. By early adulthood, these deceptions become so many that the cost is just too great to turn back, and it’s just so much easier to keep going that the thought never even crosses their mind.
These people are not normal
Kyle has correctly observed many traits of a sociopath: Criminality, fraud and substance abuse are not necessarily the prime indicators of this personality disorder. Sociopaths do not experience empathy. Sociopaths are extraverts. They are highly developed socially, but emotionally immature. They do not learn from mistakes.
However, his theories on why sociopaths are the way they are suffer from a fatal flaw: They are developed from the perspective of someone who is normal.
The hardest part of understanding what happened during our entanglements with sociopaths is coming to terms the extent to which these people are not normal.
Lovefraud readers have described sociopaths as not human. Aliens inhabiting human bodies. As cold as these descriptions may sound, they’re probably the easiest way to grasp what you are dealing with in a relationship with a sociopath.
So how different are they? Let’s take a look.
What sociopaths want
Normal people want love and harmonious relationships with others. Normal people want to feel competent in some form of endeavor. Normal people want to contribute to the world in some way.
Sociopaths want power, control and sex. Since they do not really value human relationships, they only want to win.
Kyle is correct in stating that sociopaths cannot look within themselves and develop personal values. He is incorrect in assuming that this causes the sociopath distress. Yes, these disordered people are empty inside, and they may be vaguely aware that they are missing something. But most sociopaths do not have issues with their self-esteem. If anything, they are grandiose, and their views of themselves are ridiculously inflated. They feel absolutely entitled to anything that they want, simply because they want it.
Self-esteem and sociopaths
Kyle speculates that sociopaths must be in constant contact with other people because they are trying to borrow self-esteem from others. This is not the case. Sociopaths view people as pawns to be manipulated into giving them what they want. Every social encounter is a potential feeding opportunity, a chance to convince someone to provide something.
Many people, of course, eventually catch on that they are being used, and stop serving as supply to the sociopaths. Sociopaths are aware of this—they’ve experienced it many times. So they are constantly on the lookout for new targets. When one victim is depleted, he or she must be replaced with another.
This leads to the answer to Kyle’s question, which is, “what is a primary sign of sociopathy?” Dr. Leedom has said lying. Steve Becker has said exploitative behavior. Put them together and you can say deceitful exploitation is central to the disorder.
Insecurity and sociopaths
Kyle suggests that sociopaths are insecure and build defense mechanisms to protect themselves from being hurt. By the time they’re adults, these defense mechanisms are so elaborate and complex that sociopaths can’t return to their authentic selves.
Again, he’s trying to interpret the sociopath based on how normal people may cope with personal issues. This is a mistake.
Wikipedia defines insecurity as, “a feeling of general unease or nervousness that may be triggered by perceiving oneself to be unloved, inadequate or worthless.” Sociopaths probably should see themselves as unloved, inadequate or worthless, but they don’t. They may seem to be exhibiting insecurity, but in reality it’s one of two things:
- Frustration that they’re not getting what they want.
- Manipulation tactics to get what they want.
Sociopaths have no feelings, so there are no feelings to hurt. They can certainly pretend to be hurt, but it is a ruse designed to guilt others into giving them what they want.
Genetic roots
So if sociopaths are not trying to protect their deeply felt insecurities, where does this disorder come from? In most cases, the temperamental traits that lead to sociopathy are genetic. That usually means one of the parents is a sociopath, and sociopaths are notoriously bad parents. If a child is born with the traits, bad parenting can make them develop the full disorder.
But even if a child with the traits gets good parenting, the disorder can develop. Parents who have a child at risk of developing sociopathy need to take extra steps to help the child overcome his or her predisposition, but the parents may not realize it. And in some cases, even the best parenting is not enough to overcome negative genetics.
It is also possible for a mostly normal child who has extremely an extremely bad growth experience—such as being moved from foster home to foster home as a baby—can develop the disorder.
Accept and avoid
Please understand that I am not picking on Kyle. He’s obviously given a lot of thought to his experience with a sociopathic woman, and is trying to understand what happened. He has a reasonably good handle on normal behavior and normal motivations.
His letter simply provided me with an opportunity to illustrate that what we know and understand about normal human behavior simply does not apply to sociopaths. Thank you, Kyle, for allowing me to quote you.
In the end, we may not be able to truly comprehend sociopaths. The way they go through life is just too foreign to our natures. We must simply accept that they are very, very different from us, learn to recognize the symptoms, and if we see them, run for the hills.
I read this site, trying to learn and figure it all out. It helps ALOT.
But I have a question, hopefully someone can answer for me.
I have met someone. Red flags went up. Too pushy about creating a “Relationship” too soon.
How do I know whether or not I’m right or just being paranoid?
TIA
Hey, flyspeck: So, are you “the one”? Are you “soul-mates”? And what is your situation? How do you know this person?
He doesn’t do the “soulmate thing” He just keeps on with the “we get along well don’t we?” What am I to say? And then there is the “I don’t think you are the type to just disappear on me”. Ya, I’d like to but don’t want to hurt his feelings.
I met him doing an electrical job for him. He loves a handy woman. He was fun to talk to the first night, but I don’t want to spend hours on the phone EVERY night.
The third night I told my brother to tell him I was sleeping.
Just feels like he latched on to me. Too needy. I get that people that live alone are lonesome. And maybe that’s just what he is. But I don’t want to be anyones saviour.
And then I worry that I’m being too standoffish.
Dear Keeping_Faith,
“Happiness” is not a “destination” that we arrive at and get out of our vehicles and just enjoy life. “Happiness” is a SIDE EFFECT of contentment.
Happiness is, I think, like “female orgasm” the more you think about having it, the harder it is to find! (excuse the sexual reference, but I couldn’t think of another analogy that fit).
As long as you are lying there thinking “Oh, I want an orgasm, Oh, I want an orgasm” you are NOT going to have one….you just have to let yourself enjoy the moment and PRESTO, you become happy.
After my divorce many many years ago, I was miserable and devestated. I probably had some PTSD but didn’t know what it was, I was depressed, …you get the picture. Then, one day about 18 months later, I was outside in the yard with a water hose working on stripping some paint off a piece of furniture, and one of my kids wandered by and just for the heck of it, I squirted him, then the other one showed up and before you knew what hit us, we were rolling around on the ground like three puppies, sticking the hose down each others pants and shirts and playing and laughing and having such a good time on a hot summer day.
Then LIKE A BOLT OUT OF THE BLUE, it hit me, WE WERE HAPPY. We had been happy for a while and I didn’t even realize it. Happiness had sneaked up behind me and entered my life again. I was laughing and having a good time.
Happiness sort of “sneaks in the door” or “climbs in a window” it never NEVER barges in and says “HEY, I’M HERRRRRE!”
And one day you will just realize that Happiness has BEEN there a while, quietly sitting in a corner making you smile, or like I saw that day in the middle of a “water hose fight” with my two gradeschool aged kids, just THERE.
Dear Flyspeck
Re-read your last post.
“I don’t want to hurt his feelings”
“I don’t want to spend hours on the phoen every night”
“It just feels like he latched on to me. Too needy.”
Those things are ALL your INSTINCTS telling you, this guy is gonna be a PROBLEM.
But if you look at the firs thing I DON’T WANT TO HURT HIS FEELINGS.
That is the “social conditioning” that you have received to “not upset anyone”—-that is BOGUS! What do you OWE this guy? NOTHING OF COURSE.
You don’t need to lie to him and hide from him and be uncomfortable because HE HAS A PROBLEM (he’s needy)
My suggestion is: Next time he calls, say something along the line of this.
“John, I don’t want to hurt your feelings (that is true) BUT, I am not interested in a relationship right now. (at least not with him) and I dont have time to spend on the phone in the evenings for hours. Thanks for calling, if you need any mroe elcectrical work done, schedule it with our dispatcher.”
I think your problem (IMHO) is that like many of us (me iin particular) have been “programmed” that hurting someone’s feelings is a BAD thing, and that we must sacrifice ourselves by being “nicey nice” to people who we don’t owe a darned thing to just in order not to “hurt their feelings.” SO, we TELL OUR INSTINCTS TO SHUT UP (“he’s needy).
Yep, your instincts I think are right on, he is going to be like a LEECH if you don’t knock him off now, and the longer he stays “attached” the more blood and pity he will suck from you.
Good for you for being aware of your instincts!!! Hone that skill! (((hugs))))
Flyspeck: Don’t worry about his feelings. He doesn’t seem to be worrying about yours. Yes, I’d say he’s pushing his way in. If you don’t want to talk to him, DON’T. It doesn’t sound like you really want him in your life. And, yes, this already feels to me, long distance, like trouble brewing.
Thank you Ox. I’m trying to be more aware,but I’m finding S’s and N’s around every corner now. Rethinking all my past relationships and finding similarities. Not wanting to stay removed from humanity for safety, but nervous of anyone who approaches me. This guy though……….some things made my skin crawl.
I don’t want to be uncaring. I don’t want to keep everyone at arms length.
It seems that the people I feel sorry for are the worst ones for me. But there are people in this world that it’s OK to help aren’t there?
I need to find a way to figure out who is OK to help and who will suck me dry.
Rune, that’s what it feels like, pushing. But it’s not like he isn’t interesting to talk to. The first night. LOL Part of me is just thinking maybe he is going about it the wrong way and he isn’t a P or S. But then with my track record………..
I AM paranoid. I know that for sure.
I have NO IDEA what a healthy relationship feels like. That’s my problem.
Flyspeck: Who do you want to help, and why? Are you distracted from your own life by wanting to help others? If you end up helping someone, it should be someone who is already meaningful and helpful and present for you.
How about focusing on nourishing yourself, spending time doing things that make you feel good, learning new things, and so on. If your focusing on those positive things for yourself, you’re less likely to put out the signal “I’m here to help others” that draws in the leeches.
“The unexamined life is not worth living” I once tested that quote on my exP and he was of course a complete and total blank. No clue of what the statement could mean.
And to Eliza and her Mr. Darcy..I so get what you mean. Mine looked just like that, calm, unflappable under pressure, sure of himself, and yes stoic.
I kenw for years and years that things were not right, something was off, but mine kept his manufactured crisis (financial – bigger than life) on the front burner at all times to keep me anxious, dependant, afraid, and to distract.
Only after cluing in to his sociapthic nature was I able to solve the riddle and get out.
That is when I found a minefeild of past lies and abuse, of exploitation, of ROBBING me literally and figurativley of my resources and my confidence.
And I agree with the posters who mentioned the mistake of saying what they valued about themselves, or something innocent they liked.
Mine had a habit of being VERY generous and giving me everything I might want (a nice home etc) only to destroy it once we were installed and I was happy.
I have seen him do it to my children recently, the big show of daddy is there for you, followed by a complete reversal and abandonment of committment and promises (sandwiched between a big pity play)
One other very telling thing was that in the 15 years we moved away from our roots and lived in a different place he never made a single freind and never seemed to miss freindship.
Of the people he did consider “freinds” it turns out now his interest was either sexual or parasitic., turns out the stoic attitude was really complete callousness and lack of caring. While I thought he was being so strong in the face of all our problems, and I in contrast weak and fearful, it was actually all gaslighting.
No wonder he appeared strong and confidant. He was squirrling away millions while he had me down to food insecurity.
And here is a little tid-bit that used to anger and puzzle me. I have always enjoyed singing and have a reasonable voice. In all of my 27 years with him, whenever I would start to sing, he would interrupt me with a useless question or some other distraction. EVERY TIME. Eventually I stopped singing.
When I was happy about some small thing he would often sabotage it or undermine it. I love to garden and worked very hard at creating beautiful gardens every time he moved us aroung. He HATED everything to do with that…blah blah.
They have no inner joy and need to kill it when they see it in others.
To flyspeck, welcome. Sometimes a little dose of paranoia can go a long way. Don’t be afraid to ask questions, check out his stories, ask him to meet his freinds and so on. Dig before you give.