It is likely you are reading this because a sociopath said “I love you” and you believed him/her. You also probably thought that when the sociopath said “I love you” he/she used these words as you do, to express a sense of intimacy, passion and commitment. However, what a sociopath says and what a sociopath does are so different it can be crazy making.
In the aftermath of a relationship with a sociopath, former romantic partners are left to wonder, “Just what was going on in that person’s mind?” “What was he/she thinking?” Many people have written in asking, “Did he/she really love me?” and “Do you think he/she loves that other person now?” It is the second question many find most disturbing.
In 1943, Dr. Abraham Maslow in his classic paper, A theory of human motivation, declared that psychopaths lack the capacity and motivation for love. “The so-called ‘psychopathic personality’ is another example of permanent loss of the love needs. These are people who, according to the best data available (9), have been starved for love in the earliest months of their lives and have simply lost forever the desire and the ability to give and to receive affection (as animals lose sucking or pecking reflexes that are not exercised soon enough after birth). ”
Contemporaneously with Maslow, Dr. Hervey Cleckley described psychopaths in The Mask of Sanity and developed a set of criteria for their identification. According to Cleckley (criteria #9), psychopathy is associated with “pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love.” He declared “The psychopath seldom shows anything that, if the chief facts were known, would pass even in the eyes of lay observers as object love.”
Cleckley also maintained that an “absolute” incapacity for love is even found in those with an “incomplete manifestation” of psychopathy, who lack the full disorder. Writing in 1956, Drs.McCord and McCord disagreed with Cleckley and Maslow. They described psychopaths as having “a warped capacity for love” stating, “there are indications that the capacity, however under developed, still exists .”
My guess is that the McCords got fooled just like you and I and a recent paper shows us why.
Dr. Barbara Gawda at Maria Curie-Skldowska University Poland studied the “Love Scripts” of sociopaths. Love scripts are simply ideas about love that a person has. These ideas include how people fall in love, and what people in love are supposed to do.
Dr. Gawda showed a picture of a man and a woman hugging to 60 sociopaths in prison, 40 prisoners without disorder and 100 university students. She asked all participants to write a story about the picture and to imagine themselves as one of the characters.
The sociopaths stories were significantly longer, more detailed, and more self-centered than the other two groups. Contrary to expectations then sociopaths do not lack love schemas. They are perfectly adept and perhaps more adept than most in talking about love. The findings of this study jive completely with my own clinical experience. That is, over the years many people I knew to be sociopaths told me about their love experiences. Their stories were impressive and had me believing that they were capable of love.
If clinicians, scientists, lovers and family members rely on verbal reports, they will never come to understand the lack of capacity to love that characterizes sociopaths. Cleckley reached his conclusions about psychopathy and love only after observing their actions over a number of years. He also said this,
“In a sense, it is absurd to maintain that the psychopath’s incapacity for object love is absolute, that is, to say he is (in)capable of affection for another ”¦ He is plainly capable of casual fondness, of likes and dislikes, and of reactions that, one might say, cause others to matter to him. These affective reactions are, however, always strictly limited in degree. In durability they also vary greatly from what is normal in mankind. The term absolute is, I believe, appropriate if we apply it to any affective attitude strong and meaningful enough to be called love, that is, anything that prevails in sufficient degree and over sufficient periods to exert a major influence on behavior.”
References
A theory of human motivation. Maslow, A. H.; Psychological Review, Vol 50(4), Jul, 1943. pp. 370-396
McCord, W and McCord, J (1956) Psychopathy and Delenquency New York: Grune and Stratton, Inc. page 13
Love scripts of persons with antisocial personality.Gawda B.
Psychological Reports 2008, 103, 371-380.
This study compared the scripts of love among 60 prison inmates diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder and those of 40 inmates without an Antisocial Personality Disorder diagnosis but low antisocial tendencies, and a control group of 100 adult students in extramural or evening secondary schools without Antisocial Personality Disorder traits. The study focused on emotional knowledge about love of the group with Antisocial Personality Disorder, as they present lack of capacity for love. The study was done to examine how they perceive love and how much knowledge they have about love. All described their reactions to a photograph of a couple hugging each other. The content of these scripts, analyzed in terms of description of actors, their actions and emotions, and length of description, was compared among the groups. The scripts of love by antisocial inmates contained more actors’ feelings and strong emotions, as well as more descriptions of actors’ traits, their actions, and presumptions. The inmates with Antisocial Personality Disorder showed more focus on themselves when they described love than the other inmates and the controls.
Oh, I forgot, I have a question. There’s no way that anyone can find out who we are is there?
I’m sort of afraid.
He seems to always know what I’m doing, thinking.
Says he’d never hurt me but other times says things like, “I’ll kill you b****.” When I ask if he’s joking, he says no but in a way that I’m never sure. Do you know what I mean?
Cherre:
TAKE A BIG BREATH and……..GULP……swallow it!
It’s happening…..don’t spit it out.
What your feeling is the same thing society feels when something is just too painful or overwhelming to ‘admit’ to ourselves…..
Problem is……you had already ‘got it’, been educated from past POISON…(love that!) and now your facing it again. Your pissed off and just don’t want to believe it……BUT YOU KNOW BETTER! THis is the only reason your questioning yourself.
None of us want the nasty reality to be true…..I think we all go through moments we wish WE could rewrite our history.
I know my ex S wants me ‘back’…..I know he will be hitting me hard when the TPO /stalking order is expired…..
I know I must be strong, because I will NEVER HAVE MY FANTASY!!!! It was a beautiful fantasy and I gave it all I had….and more…..but it never came true…..HE JUST COULND”T BE THE MAN I THOUGHT HE COULD BE!
He won’t change, and bottom line. I will never be ‘voluntarily’ married to a lying, cheating, manipulative, abusive drug dealer…..EVER! THAT was NOT my fantasy…..BUT…..that was what I had!
We get weak, we get challenged, we get lonely…….THIS IS WHNE WE NEED OUR SUPPORT! THis is the time we must face the reality.
We must stay prudent and true to ourselves.
“I just don’t want it to be true so much that I am convinced it is true. Did you get that????”
YES…got it…..but you must not play mindgames with YOURSELF! IT”S TRUE….IT”S TRUE…..ITS TRUE….
Value yourself enough to get out NOW.
You know the game, you know what your in for…..youve’ done it before…..it’s a routine….may be a different person, but the same behaviors.
You need to find your strength, you need to be in control of yourself and your actions and you need to lean on your support whenever you need it.
Welcome to LF……sorry your here…..
It’s all part of the insanity of being in a relationshop with a POISON…..But….you DO have a grasp on reality…..
Type away, it’s healing, reading your own words…….admitting things you have a hard time with……
HI I”M CHERRE, and I NEED HELP WITH A SOCIOPATHIC RELATIONSHIP…..
THERE….not so bad, huh girl.
Welcome to the team girl……
You’ll be okay…..
XXOO
Ox: you are so valuable you are invaluable! Great post! Really enjoyed it! So true….all of it.
As far as P’s not sleeping….tis so true. No rest for the wicked, you know.
Hugs to you and all!
Cherre:
Anonymize yourself at whatever costs. “INVENT” children in your story……become a corporate CEO or a bus driver……
We don not need to know where you are from, who you live with, how you live, what you drive (you get the pic).
I would suggest changing ALL passwords on your computer and enlist new passwords for everything…..
Windows password.
Browser Password.
Email Password.
When you are done EACH AND EVERY TIME YOU GET UP FROM COMPUTER…..erase history and DELETE IT……
and shut off computer. It’s a pain, but it becomes routine and well worth it.
NEVER LEAVE YOUR CELL PHONE UNATTENDED….in your purse or on counter EVER!!!
I would recommend purchasing a new cell phone NOW…..
I keep my cell in my boobs/bra……It’s never away from my boobies! it rings and has become a joke…..Oh my boobs are ringing……my bra has become my pocket.
There are tracking devices that can be downloaded on a phone that you can call a phone and press speaker…your phone doesn’t need to be in use….and they can hear any conversation you are involved in without your knowledge.
I could go on and on……but I am not sure your involvement with this guy.
YOU CAN”T BE TOO CAUTIOUS……it’s not near as hard as it used to be….
If your worried about your safety…..get a TPO….
Document EVERYTHING>>>>>>>>>>EVERYTHING!!!
BUT GET A TOP IF HE THREATENED TO KILL YOU!!!!!
and renew it, extend it and let him know your serious!!!!!
STAY THE FARK AWAY FROM ME!!!
Ofcourse I am assuming your NO CONTACT!!!!!
That should be a given…..I hope you are!!!
Keep a record journal, pics, digi recorder and digi camera in your purse.
For awhile….I had huge boobs….with the digi recorder and phone nestled in bra!
ErinBrockovich:
Girl, you are so funny…with your boob stories. But, it’s true. I kept money/wallet and keys in my bra for a solid year before I left and divorced my PX.
When I try to tell people how we have had to live….nobody but the ones that have been in these shoes understand. And nobody but us really understands that it takes time….to heal. It’s just like war etc…..you don’t just step out and *poof* it’s all gone.
OxY is the bestest!
Remeber the quote my Dr. told me one day:
“A clear conscience is the softest pillow”
My ex S NEVER SLEPT…said he never dreamed and was up with Diahreah at all hours of the night……and stomach cramping in the day…..
So much so, he went vegetarian years ago and it didn’t help him…….he used to blame me for his stomach /sleep issues……
WELL OFCOURSE……it was my fault…..I CALLED HIM OUT ON HIS SHIT BEHAVIOR!!!!! I WOULDN”T LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT UNSCATHED!!!! He knew he had to hide his bisexuality, drugs, and swinging lifestyle, along with every other lie, hidden assets, cash, whatever…. from his wife…..
HELLLOOOOOOOOO…….What a bitch I am….I should have been more “Open’ to him and accepted him the way he was!
NOT!!!!
SO it caused inner turmoil in his body……
NOT MY Fault……if he was an honest, decent person…..he would have no issues like such!
He will die from gut rot soon enough…… stomach cancer runs rampant in his family……
TWICE:
No doubt…..it will take YEARS for my boobs to go back to normal formation without a cell phone imprint on the left and digi recorder on the other……
Good thing I don’t date!
Surgery may be required!
This is why I dont have a blackberry……it won’t fit in my boobs! God forbid If I had a phone with a pull out keyboard……can you see what my boobs would read?
XXOO
ErinBrockovich:
I think we married the same man. Bwaaahahahahaha. Right down to the chronic upset stomach.
Welcome, Cherrie, I think you descrbed your situation very well — and yes, you have found the right place to learn more, grow more, and get support
(Yes, this site is “safe” as long as we don’t give too many identifying facts. Anyone can read this site but must be registered to post.)
I’m about to reveal something from the past few days that may identify me to anyone in my family. Hopefully, they don’t even know about this site, but I’m so miserable that I must post.
In a big way, it is like your not wanting to believe what your situation is telling you, except this involves my niece.
I’ve suspected fpr a little over a year that this niece is no longer the sweet little girl I knew as she was growing up. She wrote such hurtful things to me at that time that I haven’t contacted her at all regularly. She knows, from contact with my adult children, her cousins that I left my “Empty Suit” and since she is an experienced social worker she took it upon herself to FIX me, without any knowledge of the situation I was in or why I left. Immediately, I realized back then that she doesn’t know me — we’ve lived in different states her whole adult life.
But, since my sister, her aunt, died recently I did contact her == a BIG MISTAKE. I’ll leave out the details but I assess that I am in the same emotional turmoil that other posters who are dealing with disordered family members.
I DON’T want to believe that this niece is so mean and narrow-minded. She thinks she is an expert on everything and everyone who disagrees with her is wrong- Sound familiar?
But, I also know that I do not want to feel this way — totally torn up! She is my oldest niece who I have loved FOREVER. She isn’t loving at all!!
That realization today (only a suspicion a year ago) is traumatic!
I know that the only thing I can do is break off all contact (only by phone and email anyway) and not respond to her.
Whew. Just making that decision has settled me down.
I’m glad I decided to share this with everybody — writing does help in clarifying one’s feelings, doesn’t it?
My prayers and good wishes to EVERYONE who is experiecing this kind of acceptance of the REALITY of a situation. It’s tough but doable!
ErinBrockovich: TOO FUNNY! I am laughing outloud at this….my dog was looking at me like….’did I do something cute, huh, huh?’ Thanks for the laughs, I really enjoyed that. 🙂