It is likely you are reading this because a sociopath said “I love you” and you believed him/her. You also probably thought that when the sociopath said “I love you” he/she used these words as you do, to express a sense of intimacy, passion and commitment. However, what a sociopath says and what a sociopath does are so different it can be crazy making.
In the aftermath of a relationship with a sociopath, former romantic partners are left to wonder, “Just what was going on in that person’s mind?” “What was he/she thinking?” Many people have written in asking, “Did he/she really love me?” and “Do you think he/she loves that other person now?” It is the second question many find most disturbing.
In 1943, Dr. Abraham Maslow in his classic paper, A theory of human motivation, declared that psychopaths lack the capacity and motivation for love. “The so-called ‘psychopathic personality’ is another example of permanent loss of the love needs. These are people who, according to the best data available (9), have been starved for love in the earliest months of their lives and have simply lost forever the desire and the ability to give and to receive affection (as animals lose sucking or pecking reflexes that are not exercised soon enough after birth). ”
Contemporaneously with Maslow, Dr. Hervey Cleckley described psychopaths in The Mask of Sanity and developed a set of criteria for their identification. According to Cleckley (criteria #9), psychopathy is associated with “pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love.” He declared “The psychopath seldom shows anything that, if the chief facts were known, would pass even in the eyes of lay observers as object love.”
Cleckley also maintained that an “absolute” incapacity for love is even found in those with an “incomplete manifestation” of psychopathy, who lack the full disorder. Writing in 1956, Drs.McCord and McCord disagreed with Cleckley and Maslow. They described psychopaths as having “a warped capacity for love” stating, “there are indications that the capacity, however under developed, still exists .”
My guess is that the McCords got fooled just like you and I and a recent paper shows us why.
Dr. Barbara Gawda at Maria Curie-Skldowska University Poland studied the “Love Scripts” of sociopaths. Love scripts are simply ideas about love that a person has. These ideas include how people fall in love, and what people in love are supposed to do.
Dr. Gawda showed a picture of a man and a woman hugging to 60 sociopaths in prison, 40 prisoners without disorder and 100 university students. She asked all participants to write a story about the picture and to imagine themselves as one of the characters.
The sociopaths stories were significantly longer, more detailed, and more self-centered than the other two groups. Contrary to expectations then sociopaths do not lack love schemas. They are perfectly adept and perhaps more adept than most in talking about love. The findings of this study jive completely with my own clinical experience. That is, over the years many people I knew to be sociopaths told me about their love experiences. Their stories were impressive and had me believing that they were capable of love.
If clinicians, scientists, lovers and family members rely on verbal reports, they will never come to understand the lack of capacity to love that characterizes sociopaths. Cleckley reached his conclusions about psychopathy and love only after observing their actions over a number of years. He also said this,
“In a sense, it is absurd to maintain that the psychopath’s incapacity for object love is absolute, that is, to say he is (in)capable of affection for another ”¦ He is plainly capable of casual fondness, of likes and dislikes, and of reactions that, one might say, cause others to matter to him. These affective reactions are, however, always strictly limited in degree. In durability they also vary greatly from what is normal in mankind. The term absolute is, I believe, appropriate if we apply it to any affective attitude strong and meaningful enough to be called love, that is, anything that prevails in sufficient degree and over sufficient periods to exert a major influence on behavior.”
References
A theory of human motivation. Maslow, A. H.; Psychological Review, Vol 50(4), Jul, 1943. pp. 370-396
McCord, W and McCord, J (1956) Psychopathy and Delenquency New York: Grune and Stratton, Inc. page 13
Love scripts of persons with antisocial personality.Gawda B.
Psychological Reports 2008, 103, 371-380.
This study compared the scripts of love among 60 prison inmates diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder and those of 40 inmates without an Antisocial Personality Disorder diagnosis but low antisocial tendencies, and a control group of 100 adult students in extramural or evening secondary schools without Antisocial Personality Disorder traits. The study focused on emotional knowledge about love of the group with Antisocial Personality Disorder, as they present lack of capacity for love. The study was done to examine how they perceive love and how much knowledge they have about love. All described their reactions to a photograph of a couple hugging each other. The content of these scripts, analyzed in terms of description of actors, their actions and emotions, and length of description, was compared among the groups. The scripts of love by antisocial inmates contained more actors’ feelings and strong emotions, as well as more descriptions of actors’ traits, their actions, and presumptions. The inmates with Antisocial Personality Disorder showed more focus on themselves when they described love than the other inmates and the controls.
Hi Cherre,
thanks for the kudos.
for a good laugh, don’t forget to click on the link in the center of my monologue.
It really gets to the heart of the matter.
LOL.
here it is again
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/sfl-florida-diaper-scam-bn081009,0,5067079.story
These P people all seem to have the same MO. My X just dropped me a line that said: “Hope all is well!” Well…..[pun intended] it is now that he is out of my life. 🙂 I just continue NC. I’ve got nothing to say. Divorce was final in Feb after I left him May of last year. Took me that long to get a divorce with all his stall charades.
Cherre,
Remember something, yes he’s a lying, cheating sociopath who doesn’t love you…but he also DOESN’T LOVE ANYONE! I had trouble with this when first realizing my ex was an S/P…I STILL took it so personally as though if I had only been different in some way, I could have changed him. I still feared that his new conquest was someone he was actually in love with…someone obviously more appealing than me…something.
He was so convincing, and not the agressive, violent type of S…but rather the really nice, fun guy…the nice guy that lied, cheated, never showed remorse, manipulated, abused animals as a child, has a Father who is a registered sex offender, steals, has falsified his credentials etc. etc.
When I started to put together the pieces to the puzzle, I, like most everyone here, found it almost impossible to believe that this man could actually BE this evil monster I kept reading about. It was easier to accept that I just wasn’t THE ONE for him, than to accept that he never had ANY feelings for me at all. You see, in my case, he never proclaimed his love. He had been so hurt in his past (pity ploy) that it was going to take him a looong time to really get there with me…so he said.
Even when he finally told me he was ready to take things to the next level…how much he needed me blah blah blah…he was continually on several dating sites, hooking up with women all over, telling them craploads of …CRAP!
I’ve been NC for 4 months, and he has his new fling who already KNOWS about his cheating history, but he has her suckered in bigtime as of course she’s like the love of his life right now. (he’s still on dating sites)
Like I was saying, at first I actually was stupid enough to wonder if it really was just me, and if this new woman is what he’s always been looking for. But, after much thought and prayer, I have finally realized WHAT HE IS…and that he can not change. No he never had ANY feelings for me, and that hurts so much, but he doesn’t love her either, and that would have hurt even more.
I tell myself probably a hundred times a day…he’s a sociopath…he really is…he can’t love…we can’t even be friends because he can’t be trusted at all…IT’S OVER…OVER…
At night I miss the jerk…can you believe that? of course you can…but it’s getting better, and I thank God for this site and the loving people whose writings get me through each day…
A news report on spyware for cell phones……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfHbWCRy-R0#comment
Cherre:
Of course you don’t sleep……YOUR IN TURMOIL!!!! I bet this only lasts as long as you are in a preoccupied state of mind…..
You must find peace! Peace with yourself, peace in your surroundings, peace in your life!
You are in fear, you are in transition…..none of us sleep well then! We wake up with vivid dreams, nightmares etc….
It’s part of the grieving process…..
Some months I sleep like a baby and have great dreams……
The other night I dreamed I met a (very vivid pic) man who was 53 years old…..he had weathered skin and was a new neighbor of mine……he was a gem…..I even kissed him in my dream…..YIPPPEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! His face was just so vivid and I remember just gazing up at him knowing I would meet someone like him at some point WHEN I WAS READY!
THAT SAID…..we process through our dreams……
(so now I look at every good looking/weathered/ 53 year old man differently) 🙂
But really…..it doesn’t have to be ‘face value’ of exactly what we may read into or dreams….but…..dreams are a helpful way to process our inner feelings.
PLOWMAN:
Yes, it’s the ‘hook’…..and what you posted is 100% correct.
My ex S cards read…… To my pain in my ass….Please help me get better…Love Sociopath.
How pathetic….but he knew I was a fixer, a helper, a problem solver…..and that would hook me.
And remember after I had him deposed……several hours of lies, documented lies and me planting questions to fuck with his mind about WHAT I knew about his behaviors…..and freaking him out!
He walks over to the door, waits for his attorney….as I was shaking attorneys hand and thanking them etc…..
He say’s in front of all…..EB…..I LOVE YOU!
WTF????? I LOVE YOU????
Uh, yeah,,,,,OKAY!
Love Ya too babe! See ya at home?!!
Yeah, right.
BUT…..those words were always hooking me right back on the line…..ALWAYS, for 28 years……..
Could you imagine the look on the attorneys and court reporters face IF i would of ran right up to him and kissed him and said >…..I LOVE YOU TOO…….
OMG……THAT MADE ME LAUGH just now….at that thought.
Instead…..I didn’t even acknowledge him or his words, not even a grunt or a raised eyebrow…..I didn’t skip a beat in turning my back, leaning over and picking up my purse and briefcase and continuing on to shake my attorneys hand…..He was invisable…..insignificant and oh, what an ending to a glorious day of deposition and ripping him to pieces and planting more worries of gut rot in his stomach to carry him through on his flight to ‘nowhere’……after the depo…..
Yes…..they are only words….
I WANT FEELING AND SUBSTANCE!!!!
I think the dream kiss was my way of connecting with OXY through her chix with trucks-date man experience.
Well…….at least I didn’t run him off to Georgia by telling him I was expecting oxytuplets!
(was that how it went?)
Oh, shit……do ya think I better get a prego test? Maybe I missed something in my dream.
I better get back to the ‘feeling and substance’ reality!
🙂
XXOO
Love ya OXY!
Oh Dang….I think I may have just identified my ex S on LF….
I appologize if anyone was on that flight with him to ‘nowhere’ that day……
I assure you…..YOU WOULD HAVE SMELLED HIM THE WHOLE 5 HOUR FLIGHT…..and any stopover bathrooms inbetween!
THAT WAS MY EX S……He would have been the smelly one trying to pick up on you inbetween bathroom visits and gurgleing stomach aches.
I’m sorry I sent him into public!
XXOO
Cherrie,
Also close any bank account and open new ones. My ex s somehow managed to access my bank account while I was overseas (he was also overseas but in a different country, from there he managed to have funds transferred from my account into his account). They know everything about us and they lie and to the banks as well and use all means to access our accounts, specially if we were in serious relationships or marriage. They know our birthday dates, our addresses, places of birth and passwords and use those for their advantges
I have been reading articles and posts for some time now and I remain very confused, still.
I get a lot of your certainty, from some of the stories it’s clearly obvious those involved with narcissists and sociopaths, I have read Cleckley and Snakes in Suits years ago and again recently but I am still left wondering where I fit in, how are you so certain who is and isn’t an N or a S or the various short forms you’ve adopted, I find myself in many of the shapes suggested by O’hare etc, I feel very emotional but do I feel love? How does one know? I see enormous amounts of my ex in the definitions and descriptions but I also see a huge amount of me there too, should I shun myself!? I don’t get it, I’m not as convinced, as I see so many other people here totally convinced, that I know what ’love’ is, how is everyone so sure? I don’t believe I gain pleasure from control or hurting people or ’owning’ or any of the other things discussed here but at times I have been accused of all of them by my ex. Until recently I have for many years used alcohol and drugs daily, ok concentrating mostly on marijuana but dabbling in grade a’s too. My teeth are shit, two fell out the other day, I like sex but am not too good at it, but I don’t sleep around at all, I respect women (I believe and was entirely faithful to my partner for 12 years without any difficulty at all), I haven’t taken money off people or manipulated others to get their belongings but I am not currently working have never performed well at any job and survive on small hand outs here and there, bouncing from place to place. I have done some utterly stupid things with regards to my son since the split, mostly because my ex-partner knows how to push my buttons and I haven’t yet learned to control myself, it’s not her ’fault’ I’ve done them, but now the myth around me is so far removed from what I perceive of myself that even I am starting to get confused, she claimed I was violent but have never raised a hand to her, ever, again it’s totally against what I think I believe in, but here again this certainty from everyone oozes out, how do you KNOW what you believe, I know what I want to think of myself and what I think I think but is it real????
I can cite moments where I found myself going through the motions rather than having the emotion, watching as if from behind a glass wall, what does that mean? And yet I believe I genuinely feel upset, sadness, grief, happiness etc, how do I tell if they are real. OK I am getting repetitive and again it is quite clear from hearing some of your stories that there are S, N etc in your lives but what about the doubt, I’ve either had such a job done on my sense of self that I can’t tell or I’m a borderline, either way I don’t want to be either but how the **** does one tell? I need to shift, I thought reading this stuff would help but it has left me further confused, worried and doubting both diametrically opposed conclusions that I reach over and over again ”“ I am I’m not, I am I’m not!
Suggestions/thoughts? Beyond get help I mean, which isn’t helpful.
Dear admhw, I think it is most unlikely that you are a Narcopath,the very fact that you can feel genuine grief,sadness,worry,the fact that you freely admit to doing stupid things,{we ll do!] Maybe its your ex who is the Narcopath. the only way to really find out, is to go NC, stayoff grog, drugs, etc till your head clears, maybe find a support group like AA,get your teeth fixed if you can afford it. When you start to feel a bit better about yourself, {still staying NC},maybe this will lead to a better job, or even some voluntary work. I find voluntary work really makes you feel so good, as you are thinking of others, not just yourself, all day long. Fill your days with as many positive things and people that you can. Stay away from people who drag you down. I bet, in a month or two, you will feela lot better about your life, if you try these suggestions! {{HUGS}}}! geminigirl.