It is likely you are reading this because a sociopath said “I love you” and you believed him/her. You also probably thought that when the sociopath said “I love you” he/she used these words as you do, to express a sense of intimacy, passion and commitment. However, what a sociopath says and what a sociopath does are so different it can be crazy making.
In the aftermath of a relationship with a sociopath, former romantic partners are left to wonder, “Just what was going on in that person’s mind?” “What was he/she thinking?” Many people have written in asking, “Did he/she really love me?” and “Do you think he/she loves that other person now?” It is the second question many find most disturbing.
In 1943, Dr. Abraham Maslow in his classic paper, A theory of human motivation, declared that psychopaths lack the capacity and motivation for love. “The so-called ‘psychopathic personality’ is another example of permanent loss of the love needs. These are people who, according to the best data available (9), have been starved for love in the earliest months of their lives and have simply lost forever the desire and the ability to give and to receive affection (as animals lose sucking or pecking reflexes that are not exercised soon enough after birth). ”
Contemporaneously with Maslow, Dr. Hervey Cleckley described psychopaths in The Mask of Sanity and developed a set of criteria for their identification. According to Cleckley (criteria #9), psychopathy is associated with “pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love.” He declared “The psychopath seldom shows anything that, if the chief facts were known, would pass even in the eyes of lay observers as object love.”
Cleckley also maintained that an “absolute” incapacity for love is even found in those with an “incomplete manifestation” of psychopathy, who lack the full disorder. Writing in 1956, Drs.McCord and McCord disagreed with Cleckley and Maslow. They described psychopaths as having “a warped capacity for love” stating, “there are indications that the capacity, however under developed, still exists .”
My guess is that the McCords got fooled just like you and I and a recent paper shows us why.
Dr. Barbara Gawda at Maria Curie-Skldowska University Poland studied the “Love Scripts” of sociopaths. Love scripts are simply ideas about love that a person has. These ideas include how people fall in love, and what people in love are supposed to do.
Dr. Gawda showed a picture of a man and a woman hugging to 60 sociopaths in prison, 40 prisoners without disorder and 100 university students. She asked all participants to write a story about the picture and to imagine themselves as one of the characters.
The sociopaths stories were significantly longer, more detailed, and more self-centered than the other two groups. Contrary to expectations then sociopaths do not lack love schemas. They are perfectly adept and perhaps more adept than most in talking about love. The findings of this study jive completely with my own clinical experience. That is, over the years many people I knew to be sociopaths told me about their love experiences. Their stories were impressive and had me believing that they were capable of love.
If clinicians, scientists, lovers and family members rely on verbal reports, they will never come to understand the lack of capacity to love that characterizes sociopaths. Cleckley reached his conclusions about psychopathy and love only after observing their actions over a number of years. He also said this,
“In a sense, it is absurd to maintain that the psychopath’s incapacity for object love is absolute, that is, to say he is (in)capable of affection for another ”¦ He is plainly capable of casual fondness, of likes and dislikes, and of reactions that, one might say, cause others to matter to him. These affective reactions are, however, always strictly limited in degree. In durability they also vary greatly from what is normal in mankind. The term absolute is, I believe, appropriate if we apply it to any affective attitude strong and meaningful enough to be called love, that is, anything that prevails in sufficient degree and over sufficient periods to exert a major influence on behavior.”
References
A theory of human motivation. Maslow, A. H.; Psychological Review, Vol 50(4), Jul, 1943. pp. 370-396
McCord, W and McCord, J (1956) Psychopathy and Delenquency New York: Grune and Stratton, Inc. page 13
Love scripts of persons with antisocial personality.Gawda B.
Psychological Reports 2008, 103, 371-380.
This study compared the scripts of love among 60 prison inmates diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder and those of 40 inmates without an Antisocial Personality Disorder diagnosis but low antisocial tendencies, and a control group of 100 adult students in extramural or evening secondary schools without Antisocial Personality Disorder traits. The study focused on emotional knowledge about love of the group with Antisocial Personality Disorder, as they present lack of capacity for love. The study was done to examine how they perceive love and how much knowledge they have about love. All described their reactions to a photograph of a couple hugging each other. The content of these scripts, analyzed in terms of description of actors, their actions and emotions, and length of description, was compared among the groups. The scripts of love by antisocial inmates contained more actors’ feelings and strong emotions, as well as more descriptions of actors’ traits, their actions, and presumptions. The inmates with Antisocial Personality Disorder showed more focus on themselves when they described love than the other inmates and the controls.
The ‘love script’ can be extremely romantic/ theatrical/ intense/tragic and it conns so many people … but I think often, folk DO ‘smell something rotten in denmark’ when they’re being subjected to it because it is always at such odds with realities of behaviour. It SOUNDs like a script and it doesn’t ‘go’ with the pictures. It’s out of sych.
Even then it is difficult to understand ‘what’s going on’, and therefore ‘act.’ ( insted you waste a whole bunch of time trying to figure why on earth someone would BOTHER to say they loved you to heaven and back when they didnt )
Lots of S/P’s first develop relationships with people over long distances or on line where people cannot pick up the non-verbal clues they need to assess exactly WHO they are interacting with.
In doubt – first off a big *HUG* welcome. glad you are here but sorry for wht you’ve been through. i am going to quote back to you.
‘Right now I am trying to save some money and taking things slowly and if things go ok financially, I will move out in a few weeks maybe a month at the most.’ You are DOING the EXACT right thing here.stick at it and stay strong.
“It’s sad but I don’t think he is going to change and I don’t think I should marry a man who did this to me TWICE, aside from the fact that I don’t feel support from him.” You are RIGHT! I think it is sad, but I also think it is a GIFT that you found out before you married him. What a LUCKY break!!(try to see it like that … i know its not always easy)
“Also, he is VERY loving with his daughters and clients/family so I am dealing with a *perfect image man*” YOU GOT IT. You KNOW what you are dealing with… and you know, you probably wont be the only one who can see through him… it just looks like that.
“and nobody would believe how much it hurts to believe a promise of engagement to then be kicked out.” Yes there ARE bodies who CAN and they are RIGHT HERE:)xxxxx
Oxy
Thank you for your response. I know you are right. But I think about this all the time. Regardless of the fact I need to go on with my life, I have so much difficulty continuing when I remember how he fooled me and lied to me. The extent is just beyond human comprehension. I believed him. 100%. Not til the end. But the first period, FULLY. He would say about the condom ess sex ” it hurts me you would think I would ever EVER do anything that could jeopardize your health”. It took him a long time to get me to the point. And he made me feel like he never he even saw another woman, and its how he acted too. until at the end I found out there are women all over the world that believe they are gonna be his wife and have his children. Im digressing. My point: I wish to God someone would have warned me. He has and had men around him that looked me in my eyes and covered him. I cant let that continue and sleep at night, is my feeling, Yet I know its a devil’s dilemma, cause I need to move on aswell. It just seems so impossible at times….
No, Passerby, I’m not talking about romantic love. That feeling – which is more euphoric – can exist along with bliss. Bliss is different. It is a serene joy. It continues to exist after romantic love ebbs.
Love is felt for your parents and siblings and for pets.
The more one matures, the more people you are able to love until as you get older you learn to love humanity and even future generations of people who don’t yet exist – especially your own descendants.
Future generations can’t give you attention, so love becomes more and more selfless as your ability to love develops.
Yet the feeling of serene joy is still there radiating from you. Not everyone gets to this level of love ability. Time does not guarantee it. Only correct thoughts and actions can develop this.
You say: “you look around you will see that most people are not experiencing this emotional state”
Actually you do. These are the people NOT acting like a P. They are not seeking attention. They seem boring to a P so they go unnoticed. They are not good sources of supply. The love they give and recieve is felt as a strength which allows them to be content – not needy.
the infant’s survival, and need for negative attention do not occur at the same time. You can use all kinds of words for it: entitlement, validation or whatever, but in the end it is an irrational need for attention simply for the sake of attention itself.
You say, “They are not content with just having attention; they seek love and try to talk other people into loving them.”
Again, your definition is getting confused. When normal people seek love they seek both side, to give as well as to recieve. Anything else is like, only wearing one shoe. I guess it’s better than nothing but one of your feet is always going to feel cold. When you only receive love but don’t give it, it is no longer love, it is only a very intense attention. On the other hand, there was the guy with the diaper issue…
If and when we discuss the P’s ability to love, we are discussing the P’s desire to GIVE love, not his desire to take our love and squander it like used toilet paper. We know he does not have the ABILITY to GIVE love, we only wonder if he has the DESIRE for the ability. That desire would be the first step, without which there is no possibility of ever experiencing love.
Twice Betrayed
Can you imagine yourself flipping a switch so you were no longer empathetic? You might be able to pull it off for awhile, but you couldn’t sustain it. Likewise, I think the P’s can’t turn it on. They can look like they do, but it is about 1/8 inch deep.
You can regulate your behavior within certain parameters. But there is no way you could convince yourself to become a serial killer in your community. Likewise, a P can regulate their behavior within certain parameters, but the big parameter is “What’s in it for me?” and “I have to win” and “The feelings of others doesn’t matter just like I don’t matter to them”. Those are some of the givens that just won’t change for them. That is how I look at it anyway.
Marialisa,
I forgot to say that when I have contacted women I knew the guy was after (none have ever contacted me through the site), I always said to them “This is just my honest opinion, but that is all it is…my opinion based on my experiences and I understand that legally I have a right to share that opinion privately with another person. Please keep this confidential. Here is my opinion….” And then I described his behavior, and didn’t label it as P. The actions speak for themselves. I didn’t describe motives, etc. Just his actions. Like: We planned a trip for months. Then at the very start of the trip, he suddenly told me to go home. This was right after I didn’t go to breakfast with him, but stayed to fix my hair. I was stunned. I asked if I had gone to breakfast this wouldn’t be happening, he said maybe. And this was just after I had given him a $500 present the day before, which he did not return to me.” “He performed sexual acts on me which I had explicitedly asked him not to do, and made it impossible for me to get away or scream.” Those are just his behaviors. My opinion I guess of what happened. But I think it would be pretty hard to win a suit about saying those things. But it might be very easy for a P to get vindictive if they heard about it. There are things worse than getting sued.
MariaLisa:
Why not report this guy on womansavers? A lot of online dating females check this site to see if a man is listed on it. You can post your story and and rate him. A really good site to help keep women safer.
MariaLisa,
it may seem like it was beyond human comprehension, but WE comprehend. REALLY, we do. and we love you, without ever having met you. I love you, all the way from the USA.
Sorry, I can’t take your pain away just like I can’t remove mine.
I love the work of Joseph Campbell here are some quotes that may help you feel better:
It is by going down into the abyss
that we recover the treasures of life.
Where you stumble,
there lies your treasure.
Opportunities to find deeper powers within ourselves
come when life seems most challenging.
We must be willing to get rid of
the life we’ve planned,
so as to have the life that is waiting for us.
The old skin has to be shed
before the new one can come.
If you can see your path laid out
in front of you step by step,
you know it’s not your path.
Your own path you make with every step you take.
That’s why it’s your path.
justabouthealed:
I see your point. Very good. Thanks!
I know from my life: I have seen things cross my adult kids’ faces. So, I know they know what they are doing [or not doing for that matter]. These people understand what they are doing. I believe they are heavily motivated by anger and revenge and a strong sense of pride in just getting everything they want. [I am talking about socialized P’s and N’s] I can see they focus on ‘paying someone back’ rather than just moving on and rising above a ‘slight’ or what they consider a slight [which is anything you want to do or anything you think.]
skylar….I think when we respond AT ALL to argumentative people on this website, WE LOSE PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP. I myself am getting so tired of the back and forth about their nonsense that I have several times thought of ditching LF. And I know from moderating some listservs that any time there is sort of confrontation dialogue, people drop off.
And part of learning to deal with people in our lives is ignoring bait that is disguised as an honest attempt to “understand”.
And for me, I had to learn to get over MY arrogance of thinking I could “rescue” anyone or “help” anyone with just a few interactions. The Betrayal Bond discusses how the “rescuer” also contributes to the abuse/victim cycle. So I stay out now, unless I’m sure that I can make a difference…like taking a gun away from a guy, that would make a difference. 🙂
And I feel like on LF we can make a difference for each other by listening and reacting in a supportive way to those who are genuine.