It is likely you are reading this because a sociopath said “I love you” and you believed him/her. You also probably thought that when the sociopath said “I love you” he/she used these words as you do, to express a sense of intimacy, passion and commitment. However, what a sociopath says and what a sociopath does are so different it can be crazy making.
In the aftermath of a relationship with a sociopath, former romantic partners are left to wonder, “Just what was going on in that person’s mind?” “What was he/she thinking?” Many people have written in asking, “Did he/she really love me?” and “Do you think he/she loves that other person now?” It is the second question many find most disturbing.
In 1943, Dr. Abraham Maslow in his classic paper, A theory of human motivation, declared that psychopaths lack the capacity and motivation for love. “The so-called ‘psychopathic personality’ is another example of permanent loss of the love needs. These are people who, according to the best data available (9), have been starved for love in the earliest months of their lives and have simply lost forever the desire and the ability to give and to receive affection (as animals lose sucking or pecking reflexes that are not exercised soon enough after birth). ”
Contemporaneously with Maslow, Dr. Hervey Cleckley described psychopaths in The Mask of Sanity and developed a set of criteria for their identification. According to Cleckley (criteria #9), psychopathy is associated with “pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love.” He declared “The psychopath seldom shows anything that, if the chief facts were known, would pass even in the eyes of lay observers as object love.”
Cleckley also maintained that an “absolute” incapacity for love is even found in those with an “incomplete manifestation” of psychopathy, who lack the full disorder. Writing in 1956, Drs.McCord and McCord disagreed with Cleckley and Maslow. They described psychopaths as having “a warped capacity for love” stating, “there are indications that the capacity, however under developed, still exists .”
My guess is that the McCords got fooled just like you and I and a recent paper shows us why.
Dr. Barbara Gawda at Maria Curie-Skldowska University Poland studied the “Love Scripts” of sociopaths. Love scripts are simply ideas about love that a person has. These ideas include how people fall in love, and what people in love are supposed to do.
Dr. Gawda showed a picture of a man and a woman hugging to 60 sociopaths in prison, 40 prisoners without disorder and 100 university students. She asked all participants to write a story about the picture and to imagine themselves as one of the characters.
The sociopaths stories were significantly longer, more detailed, and more self-centered than the other two groups. Contrary to expectations then sociopaths do not lack love schemas. They are perfectly adept and perhaps more adept than most in talking about love. The findings of this study jive completely with my own clinical experience. That is, over the years many people I knew to be sociopaths told me about their love experiences. Their stories were impressive and had me believing that they were capable of love.
If clinicians, scientists, lovers and family members rely on verbal reports, they will never come to understand the lack of capacity to love that characterizes sociopaths. Cleckley reached his conclusions about psychopathy and love only after observing their actions over a number of years. He also said this,
“In a sense, it is absurd to maintain that the psychopath’s incapacity for object love is absolute, that is, to say he is (in)capable of affection for another ”¦ He is plainly capable of casual fondness, of likes and dislikes, and of reactions that, one might say, cause others to matter to him. These affective reactions are, however, always strictly limited in degree. In durability they also vary greatly from what is normal in mankind. The term absolute is, I believe, appropriate if we apply it to any affective attitude strong and meaningful enough to be called love, that is, anything that prevails in sufficient degree and over sufficient periods to exert a major influence on behavior.”
References
A theory of human motivation. Maslow, A. H.; Psychological Review, Vol 50(4), Jul, 1943. pp. 370-396
McCord, W and McCord, J (1956) Psychopathy and Delenquency New York: Grune and Stratton, Inc. page 13
Love scripts of persons with antisocial personality.Gawda B.
Psychological Reports 2008, 103, 371-380.
This study compared the scripts of love among 60 prison inmates diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder and those of 40 inmates without an Antisocial Personality Disorder diagnosis but low antisocial tendencies, and a control group of 100 adult students in extramural or evening secondary schools without Antisocial Personality Disorder traits. The study focused on emotional knowledge about love of the group with Antisocial Personality Disorder, as they present lack of capacity for love. The study was done to examine how they perceive love and how much knowledge they have about love. All described their reactions to a photograph of a couple hugging each other. The content of these scripts, analyzed in terms of description of actors, their actions and emotions, and length of description, was compared among the groups. The scripts of love by antisocial inmates contained more actors’ feelings and strong emotions, as well as more descriptions of actors’ traits, their actions, and presumptions. The inmates with Antisocial Personality Disorder showed more focus on themselves when they described love than the other inmates and the controls.
Oxy
Thank you for your post….I fell in love with this man because I was astounded by his backbone and character. I am pretty principled myself and I thought I found a tortured soul who had been through bad things and regained his spirit in a very high moralled way. It couldnt have been farther from the truth, but he CONTINUES to fool people.
I like the fact you say this”
” if a person will violate the LAW and risk going to jail/prison, what is violating your heart compared to that? Nothing.”
Thats insightful, cause I always was amazed at the things he sued to do, but he always told me I couldnt understand cause I have no addictions. Well I disagree with him, cause I have been drunk in my lfie and I never ever harmed anyone or did ANYTHING illegal while drunk. I got feisty and funny but not cruel and NUTS. And Ive been trhough heavy things in my life and I have ALWAYS taken responsibilty for myself. I never botehred a soul with things I went through ( its actually something I am now trying to work on: asking for emotional support and such, Im quite stubborn in this). I think because all of this, I am even more angry with his behavior. I hate the kind of special treatment ex alcoholics ask. like they are in some special group that needs special treatment from the world. I was SO understanding to him. Completely non judgemental and he used the ex alcoholic card every single time he could. And I was not allowed to respond since I had no issues with alcohol. SO MEAN! I have issues with him and I was apparantly not entitled to talking about that.
I think sociopathic alcoholics behave different than non sociopathic ones. I am in touch with his ex who was with him when he relapsed a couple yeas back and she said his alcoholism was on a level she had never witnessed in her life ever. that he was just the devil. unlike any other drunk ever. but I only know this now. When I was with him I thought he was a little angel that needed my love….he appeals to women in that way. when his mask slipped i learned to look at him differently. slowly…
im so not like him. i have never had any violent urges towards a soul. i ahve been angry but never thought about directing it towards anyone. i did and do have these urges towards him. but they even dont gothat deep. i just cant imagine doing something aggressive. not even to him. i must be completely honest and say i wouldnt mind him dead. but actually not even out of revenge, i just wish his victim making would come to and end. its been enough.
i sometimes wonder how my ex can be so fit. yhis guy looks athletic and healthy, when he has been doing drugs and alcohol for a long time. he looks perfectly fit ( although ugly..but still) and is very very energetic and in good shape. he eats only junkfood, he has the most irregular lifestyle, has to be ‘ hunting’ continuesly… what kind of aliens are they right?!
thanks again oxy, trust me i wont take histories like his as lightly as i have done for him…
Have been without a working computer for several weeks for the second time this summer. I have been trying to read some of the articles at the library when I was able to get limited computer time.
I don’t think I will ever catch up from where I left off even though my computer is up and running now (yay!)
Hope you are all doing well. I have missed coming here and reading the postings and the support that is offered.
This has proven to be a very looong and difficult summer. Summer started with me still in the “fight mode” looking for resources and now that I have exhausted each and every one that I know of, I guess you can say that I have given up.
I would swear that my son actually was done more harm than good by the counsellor he was seeing for almost a year. Its almost like my son took this as “feather in his cap” that he was able to lie to him so effectively and that this guy believed him. I believe my son took him on (the counsellor) as a “challenge” and in his distorted way of thinking, he won.
I know that sounds strange to say about a 16 year old kid but I would swear that is what I saw unfold before me as the sessions continued.
What has been the most troubling for me these past months is the progression of the Dr. Jekle & Mr. Hide personality. For lack of a better description…..Its not so much that I feel like I live with 2 different personalities but more like the mood swings and behaviour are so erratic. It is like you never KNOW just what to expect. On the days that he is on “good” behaviour there is ALWAYS an ulteriour motive.
His lack of living in “reality” exist every day in some way shape or form. The “rules” that don’t apply to him has also been an ongoing struggle this summer, even moreso than in the past.
I have tried in the past to document or jot down some of this erratic behaviour/mood swings to see if there is any rhyme or reason in the “cycle” of it all.
It somewhat reminds me of a friend I once had that was in an abusive relationship……She said there always came the time in the cycle of her abusive relationship when her tension was high because she was waiting for the the other shoe to fall. (the beating) Or in my own relationships in the past with alcoholics. The walking on egg shells.
And I often feel this. High tension, waiting for the other shoe to fall. Not in the terms of physical abuse but just knowing that something is going to happen that isn’t good.
In the past 2 years my son has refined his behaviour in many ways. What was once more often obvious lying, he is much better at now, almost skilled lying at times. Manipulation is also something he has improved his skills.
However his biggest challenge of all on a daily basis is “one upping” or winning whatever the situation at hand is. And just when I think I have figured out what he is trying to do or manipulate, he often has a different approach in mind. He has a way of throwing the “curve ball” when you least expect it. And with his distorted thinking and distorted sense of reality, he always wins. And what he thinks is HIS reality, so the true reality of the situation really doesn’t matter.
I am in survival mode. By that I mean I live one day at a time. Generally speaking I often have days where I have trouble keeping up with the mood swings. Some times he throws out these distractions……Like I am busy putting out the smoldering fire in the fire pit, and while I am doing that he is setting the house on fire. JUST an analogy.
Can anyone relate to that feeling of not being able to keep up with it all? Of setting your sites on what is going on to your left when REALLY you should be focusing on the right?
It is exhausting.
witsend… Hi… it is good to hear from you, glad your computer is working!! When I was with the N I did find it exhausting to always be on alert, but I have not had this type of experience with a child, it is so sad to read how he acts and how it is getting worse. What do you mean by you have “given up”? I think you mean that you have given up trying to find him help because all the therapists are so stupid, which doesn’t suprise me. It is horrible to read that the counselor has done more harm. What do you do with a child that nobody knows what to do with? I wish I had an answer, but I just wanted you to know I’m out here in cyber space saying a prayer for you. I care about you.
muldoon… are you out there? How are you? I’ve been at work all week and haven’t kept up with all the posts.
Dear Witsend,
YES!!!YES!!! I can relate! ((((hug)))) I wish I could give you some “hope” that things will get better, but this sounds like the replay of my P-son’s life story.
The frustration, the lack of resources, the HOPE that I held on to for so long. I wish I had an answer that would fix the situation, I kept searching for one for myself and my son, but only now, 25 years later am I finding that I can ACCEPT what has clearly been all along REALITY and given up on the HOPE that was so futile and draining.
I know that may sound defeatest, but sometimes when we come up against something that we are not empowered enough to change we can only help ourselves by ACCEPTING the reality that it is out of our power.
His manipulations and learning by “therapy’ is pretty typical of Ps, as they use the things they learn from therapy to refine their manipulation. They love the challenges and they love winning.
The ONLY suggestion I have is that you do not fall for his manipulations and just do not cooperate with him. Let him go his own way, do not provide any “rewards” for his bad behavior, such as the driver’s education etc. the things that he wants, and that he cannot get without your cooperation.
Don’t let him pull the wool over your eyes that he is “trying” or that he is “making progress”–don’t expect anything from him, and don’t enable him. Don’t make life any more comfortable for him than you must. My guess is that if he is not getting comforts from home he will leave, which may be the best for you and him both. He has obviously made it clear to you that you have no influence or control over him or his behavior. JUST KEEP YOURSELF SAFE, they CAN be dangerous.
If you have an option to turn him over to the state, i would do that if I could, if not…you have done the best that you can and that is all any of us can do. It hurts to have aspirations for your child to grow up and be a loving person, but if he is determined to not live up to those aspirations, if they are not also HIS aspirations, then you can’t control that. It is out of your hands, you have done the best that you can do.
I went through a great many frustrations myself, and then continued to hold on to delusional hope for so long, at least I am at peace now and accepting what my son is. God bless you, Witsend. My heart is with you ((((Hugs)))) and always prayers.
“I know that may sound defeatest, but sometimes when we come up against something that we are not empowered enough to change we can only help ourselves by ACCEPTING the reality that it is out of our power.”
Yep! “You got to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em, know when to walk away, know when to run”……..
TwiceBetrayed your post at 9:57 hit’s home. Sorry too jump right in here but, Hunky Landscaper showed up unanounced again tonite. He was recently kicked out of his “lavish nest” and now wants to be friends again after a year of silence. I would love to be his friend, but when he is here he makes me feel like three day old left over meatloaf. And I know somebody richer and better will come along because i know this guy. I would love a friend that I could converse with and do things with. But I feel that same uneasy feeling with him that I had with my X. And I feel like this is a test and I have to stand up now for my self respect and tell him too piss off. The more I think of it the pissed off-er I get. At him and me for not already telling him how I feel..thanx gang I feel better now..
Henry, I’m sorry you have to deal with that P after all you suffered from your xp.
Tell him that you met someone and are falling in love. You think you finally met THE ONE.
Make up some lies. Ironically, it seems that the only thing that works with P’s are lies.
Be ready with details. Tell him it’s long distance now but you hope it will change soon.
That will give you some fortitude and also you can watch his reaction as he changes his strategy.
Henry:
Remain in control of yourself…..Hunky landscapers can be dangerous!
You see the writing on the wall and it sounds like you may have a tiny ‘history’ with his antics….you are right…..
SO STEER CLEAR>>>>>>
There are plenty of sexy, hunky and NICE/NORMAL/ respecting landscapers in the ‘garden’……
I know it get’s lonely for us…..but it only means we NEED to be alone…..to get to know and be comfortable with orselves, and have these ‘tests’ come our way……in a relatively safe manner…..it’s good your aware, and thinking about it…..
Now….GO MOW YOUR OWN LAWN!!!!!
XXOO
EB
thanx Skylar and EB – yes I have a history with him – I have always been on alert when he is around – I think he is more of a Narcissist – but definately toxic – he is hot and cold – cant pass a mirror with out posing and admiring himself – yes he is pretty but shallow…one thing he said years ago still sticks in my mind “If I was a woman I would be married to Donald Trump” and he was dead pan serious. When I first met him he was in a longterm relationship of 17 years with a very nice guy, they had built a good business – but Hunky couldnt keep his pant’s up and the relationship ended – he miss’s the life style more than the X – and this last relationship he was in for one year – not sure what went down but Hunky said the guy told him he had to leave, said the guy was crying and saying he loved him but he just could not see him and made Hunky leave – I get chills the last 2 times he has been here – what does he want with me? He should be out gold digging.