It is likely you are reading this because a sociopath said “I love you” and you believed him/her. You also probably thought that when the sociopath said “I love you” he/she used these words as you do, to express a sense of intimacy, passion and commitment. However, what a sociopath says and what a sociopath does are so different it can be crazy making.
In the aftermath of a relationship with a sociopath, former romantic partners are left to wonder, “Just what was going on in that person’s mind?” “What was he/she thinking?” Many people have written in asking, “Did he/she really love me?” and “Do you think he/she loves that other person now?” It is the second question many find most disturbing.
In 1943, Dr. Abraham Maslow in his classic paper, A theory of human motivation, declared that psychopaths lack the capacity and motivation for love. “The so-called ‘psychopathic personality’ is another example of permanent loss of the love needs. These are people who, according to the best data available (9), have been starved for love in the earliest months of their lives and have simply lost forever the desire and the ability to give and to receive affection (as animals lose sucking or pecking reflexes that are not exercised soon enough after birth). ”
Contemporaneously with Maslow, Dr. Hervey Cleckley described psychopaths in The Mask of Sanity and developed a set of criteria for their identification. According to Cleckley (criteria #9), psychopathy is associated with “pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love.” He declared “The psychopath seldom shows anything that, if the chief facts were known, would pass even in the eyes of lay observers as object love.”
Cleckley also maintained that an “absolute” incapacity for love is even found in those with an “incomplete manifestation” of psychopathy, who lack the full disorder. Writing in 1956, Drs.McCord and McCord disagreed with Cleckley and Maslow. They described psychopaths as having “a warped capacity for love” stating, “there are indications that the capacity, however under developed, still exists .”
My guess is that the McCords got fooled just like you and I and a recent paper shows us why.
Dr. Barbara Gawda at Maria Curie-Skldowska University Poland studied the “Love Scripts” of sociopaths. Love scripts are simply ideas about love that a person has. These ideas include how people fall in love, and what people in love are supposed to do.
Dr. Gawda showed a picture of a man and a woman hugging to 60 sociopaths in prison, 40 prisoners without disorder and 100 university students. She asked all participants to write a story about the picture and to imagine themselves as one of the characters.
The sociopaths stories were significantly longer, more detailed, and more self-centered than the other two groups. Contrary to expectations then sociopaths do not lack love schemas. They are perfectly adept and perhaps more adept than most in talking about love. The findings of this study jive completely with my own clinical experience. That is, over the years many people I knew to be sociopaths told me about their love experiences. Their stories were impressive and had me believing that they were capable of love.
If clinicians, scientists, lovers and family members rely on verbal reports, they will never come to understand the lack of capacity to love that characterizes sociopaths. Cleckley reached his conclusions about psychopathy and love only after observing their actions over a number of years. He also said this,
“In a sense, it is absurd to maintain that the psychopath’s incapacity for object love is absolute, that is, to say he is (in)capable of affection for another ”¦ He is plainly capable of casual fondness, of likes and dislikes, and of reactions that, one might say, cause others to matter to him. These affective reactions are, however, always strictly limited in degree. In durability they also vary greatly from what is normal in mankind. The term absolute is, I believe, appropriate if we apply it to any affective attitude strong and meaningful enough to be called love, that is, anything that prevails in sufficient degree and over sufficient periods to exert a major influence on behavior.”
References
A theory of human motivation. Maslow, A. H.; Psychological Review, Vol 50(4), Jul, 1943. pp. 370-396
McCord, W and McCord, J (1956) Psychopathy and Delenquency New York: Grune and Stratton, Inc. page 13
Love scripts of persons with antisocial personality.Gawda B.
Psychological Reports 2008, 103, 371-380.
This study compared the scripts of love among 60 prison inmates diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder and those of 40 inmates without an Antisocial Personality Disorder diagnosis but low antisocial tendencies, and a control group of 100 adult students in extramural or evening secondary schools without Antisocial Personality Disorder traits. The study focused on emotional knowledge about love of the group with Antisocial Personality Disorder, as they present lack of capacity for love. The study was done to examine how they perceive love and how much knowledge they have about love. All described their reactions to a photograph of a couple hugging each other. The content of these scripts, analyzed in terms of description of actors, their actions and emotions, and length of description, was compared among the groups. The scripts of love by antisocial inmates contained more actors’ feelings and strong emotions, as well as more descriptions of actors’ traits, their actions, and presumptions. The inmates with Antisocial Personality Disorder showed more focus on themselves when they described love than the other inmates and the controls.
Henry:
“cant pass a mirror with out posing and admiring himself”…
OMG….that was ME today at the hair salon…..I guess not being able to tame my ‘inner N” with my new look?
If your rador says he wants something….HE DOES!
I had someone recently peg me as a rich woman….living on the lake….(this lake , the minimum lakefront home goes for 5mil)…..UH, yeah…….what and HOW did he get that impression? WAAAAYYYYYY off!
I guess we just never know ‘what’ people ‘peg’ us as…..and what sends them aiming for us…….
I’m actually surprised he said he was kicked to the curb……
REVEALING……then the added statement about the tears part is also interesting…..
I know you didn’t interpret this as the truth….
He probably got cold busted AGAIN…..and portrayed it to be not near as harsh as it really ended for him….
You might want to get some more hay for that white horse Henry. ….because Hunky is thinking your keeping ‘cash cows’ in that barn ….
WITSEND:
GIRL….I’m 1 year ahead of you…..I have one that is just out of your guys phase and into the up the anti phase…..
Doing things I wish I never saw in him……
I am allowing him to make his own choices/hence his own consequences…..just like I couldn’t change teh S…..I can’t control the child…..
The reality….sometimes I feel like I hold my breath until 18….NOT what I anticipated for these years with this one…..
BUT……I’m stupid, he knows it all…..so WHO is better equipped to fuck his own life up…….the same kid who will have to unfuck it up when he see’s the light.
Ya know….like I have told mine…..school isn’t really important……because, at this pace, all you will have to know how to say/spell and read is….
“DO YA WANT FRY”S WITH THAT BURGER?”.
Good luck to ya darling….I hope you can redirect your energies back to YOU.
Stay strong!
Stick around girl…..
XXOO
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/my-glamorous-life-as-a-scumbag-drummer/Content?oid=2119769
The Stranger is a wierd, free, paper for “hip” people in Seattle.
This is an interesting story/article about a guy being abused by his P-girlfriend but it could have been written by anyone of us. Instead it was written by an impoverished writer/drummer guy in seattle. I posted one comment, but the rude comments by so many readers are what really shocked me. I know that many of the comments are the ex-girlfriend and her friends but you have to wonder how many are just P’s lurking around.
Oxy: and list:
I am getting emails from my younger daughter with a total spin on the late night event with my granddaughter. [looked like emergency email] Because I divorced her P father, have NC with my two older adult NP children [because of my older daugher’s long term affair with this younger one’s father and the way both of this kids treat me] …this younger daughter says: It’s YOU, mom. The problem is YOU> Ok, here is the deal: My son cares nothing for me…never contacts me and he cared nothing for me when I needed help with surviving three years ago. Would not even answer or return my phone calls. My older daughter had an ongoing affair [my whole marriage] with my last PX hub [father of younger daughter who BTW goes to visit and stay at my first PX hub’s home! He is the father of the older daughter who had the affair!] Younger daughter is verbally controlling and plays all those abuse/power games on me. I took it so I could see my granddaughter until the awful incident the other night and then I went NC with her too. So: basically I have no family. My mother/father/brother/sisters are all dead. So: I have nobody left but these 3 NP adult kids who do nothing but cause me pain. All I want is: peace and out of their huge gaming/drama/power scene….so I ask you: how is it me???? She says: all three of us cannot be wrong…it’s YOU. I have one good friend that has stood beside/behind me[this person came out of the same type of NP marriage I did so they understand] and now she is targeting this person. Now what do I do? [this is the daughter that caused me all the pain when I left her dad…took my personal items from my home-never returned them and let him bring whores into her home [and sleep with them] while I was in the process of divorce. Called my work, attorney, my friends and told them all I was insane and needed to be on meds [btw she was on meds herself!]. My PX was offering her money to help ruin me so I could not survive and have to return to him.
TB,
sounds like your NC isn’t going well.
there are a couple of books that may help:
“Freeing yourself from the narcissist in your life” by Linda Martinez-Lewis
it appears she also does phone consultation!
http://thenarcissistinyourlife.com/about_the_author.html
The other book is:
“why can’t I shut up” it’s not really about other peoples’ narcissism, more about dealing with our own.
Both these books are for people for whom NC is not an immediate option.
Hello everyone,
I found this page from PrisonTalk, which is telling. Too bad the posters there don’t know about LF – it’s a mirror of the pain expressed here, without all the knowledge of what they’re dealing with.
“For family and friends – when the relationship is over…” (1200 some message threads with titles like:
“Toxic relationships – why do we hang on so long?” and
“Why does my ex keep trying to call?”
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/f-412.html
Ok, thanks, skylar. I will get those books. I would like to ‘shut up’ about this.
Dear Twice,
I have a letter from my P son to his Trojan Horse psychopath and my P-X-DIL saying “we will win over mom, first because we are RIGHT and there are MORE of us and we are more determined.” He tried to convince me it was ME too, He, of course, got along well with everyone and I was th eone who couldn’t get along with the P-DIL, my enablilng mother, the lying and coniving TH-P etc.
NUMBERS DOES NOT MAKE RIGHT, truth is not determined by a “vote”—just because everyone in the world thinks the world is flat except you, doesn’t mean the world is FLAT.
You would be the “problem” if you BELIEVED THESE POS’s but they say it over and over like that will make it true, or they vote on it and that makes it true. In this case, it is like two wolves and a sheep VOTING on what to have for dinner! Well, an ARMED SHEEP is a match for them both! You “arm” yourself by knowing that they are NOT RIGHT, they are DISORDERED and they are TRYING TO HURT YOU—like I told TILLY do NOT LISTEN to them,\\\
No contact means don’t read their e mails, don’t listen to their voice mails, don’t let any one tell you what they are doing, LOCK YOUR DOOR, CHANGE YOUR PHONE NUMBER, and when you feel alone, come here or to your supportive friend.
what do you need “family” like a FAMILY OF VAMPIRES for? You are better off with one friend, or even by yoruself than in a NEST OF VIPERS LIKE THESE PEOPLE, sweetie! Hang on!!! Sure, I wish my son wasn’t a psychopathic murdering piece of dog doo, but he is what he is. I can’t change that and neither can you! We didn’t make them what they are and we can’t change them. ((((hugs))))) and my prayers. Be strong, you are in the right to protect yourself from their attacks. DON’T listen.
Not your daddy – wow. 🙁
Much needed perspective.x
apologies, I think this got posted in the wrong place:-S