It is likely you are reading this because a sociopath said “I love you” and you believed him/her. You also probably thought that when the sociopath said “I love you” he/she used these words as you do, to express a sense of intimacy, passion and commitment. However, what a sociopath says and what a sociopath does are so different it can be crazy making.
In the aftermath of a relationship with a sociopath, former romantic partners are left to wonder, “Just what was going on in that person’s mind?” “What was he/she thinking?” Many people have written in asking, “Did he/she really love me?” and “Do you think he/she loves that other person now?” It is the second question many find most disturbing.
In 1943, Dr. Abraham Maslow in his classic paper, A theory of human motivation, declared that psychopaths lack the capacity and motivation for love. “The so-called ‘psychopathic personality’ is another example of permanent loss of the love needs. These are people who, according to the best data available (9), have been starved for love in the earliest months of their lives and have simply lost forever the desire and the ability to give and to receive affection (as animals lose sucking or pecking reflexes that are not exercised soon enough after birth). ”
Contemporaneously with Maslow, Dr. Hervey Cleckley described psychopaths in The Mask of Sanity and developed a set of criteria for their identification. According to Cleckley (criteria #9), psychopathy is associated with “pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love.” He declared “The psychopath seldom shows anything that, if the chief facts were known, would pass even in the eyes of lay observers as object love.”
Cleckley also maintained that an “absolute” incapacity for love is even found in those with an “incomplete manifestation” of psychopathy, who lack the full disorder. Writing in 1956, Drs.McCord and McCord disagreed with Cleckley and Maslow. They described psychopaths as having “a warped capacity for love” stating, “there are indications that the capacity, however under developed, still exists .”
My guess is that the McCords got fooled just like you and I and a recent paper shows us why.
Dr. Barbara Gawda at Maria Curie-Skldowska University Poland studied the “Love Scripts” of sociopaths. Love scripts are simply ideas about love that a person has. These ideas include how people fall in love, and what people in love are supposed to do.
Dr. Gawda showed a picture of a man and a woman hugging to 60 sociopaths in prison, 40 prisoners without disorder and 100 university students. She asked all participants to write a story about the picture and to imagine themselves as one of the characters.
The sociopaths stories were significantly longer, more detailed, and more self-centered than the other two groups. Contrary to expectations then sociopaths do not lack love schemas. They are perfectly adept and perhaps more adept than most in talking about love. The findings of this study jive completely with my own clinical experience. That is, over the years many people I knew to be sociopaths told me about their love experiences. Their stories were impressive and had me believing that they were capable of love.
If clinicians, scientists, lovers and family members rely on verbal reports, they will never come to understand the lack of capacity to love that characterizes sociopaths. Cleckley reached his conclusions about psychopathy and love only after observing their actions over a number of years. He also said this,
“In a sense, it is absurd to maintain that the psychopath’s incapacity for object love is absolute, that is, to say he is (in)capable of affection for another ”¦ He is plainly capable of casual fondness, of likes and dislikes, and of reactions that, one might say, cause others to matter to him. These affective reactions are, however, always strictly limited in degree. In durability they also vary greatly from what is normal in mankind. The term absolute is, I believe, appropriate if we apply it to any affective attitude strong and meaningful enough to be called love, that is, anything that prevails in sufficient degree and over sufficient periods to exert a major influence on behavior.”
References
A theory of human motivation. Maslow, A. H.; Psychological Review, Vol 50(4), Jul, 1943. pp. 370-396
McCord, W and McCord, J (1956) Psychopathy and Delenquency New York: Grune and Stratton, Inc. page 13
Love scripts of persons with antisocial personality.Gawda B.
Psychological Reports 2008, 103, 371-380.
This study compared the scripts of love among 60 prison inmates diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder and those of 40 inmates without an Antisocial Personality Disorder diagnosis but low antisocial tendencies, and a control group of 100 adult students in extramural or evening secondary schools without Antisocial Personality Disorder traits. The study focused on emotional knowledge about love of the group with Antisocial Personality Disorder, as they present lack of capacity for love. The study was done to examine how they perceive love and how much knowledge they have about love. All described their reactions to a photograph of a couple hugging each other. The content of these scripts, analyzed in terms of description of actors, their actions and emotions, and length of description, was compared among the groups. The scripts of love by antisocial inmates contained more actors’ feelings and strong emotions, as well as more descriptions of actors’ traits, their actions, and presumptions. The inmates with Antisocial Personality Disorder showed more focus on themselves when they described love than the other inmates and the controls.
candyharlau,
I saw a study that said the average lifespan for a P/S was 48, but I can’t find it now..
Here’s one that doesn’t give a number, but does say they’re far more likely to die of heart disease (fitting):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18263645
One more – saying those diagnosed w/ antisocial personality disorder and with a substance abuse problem, don’t live as long as those with “just” a substance abuse problem:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17553623
Even 48 is too long in my book.
cool – 6 more years and he is gone!
From what Ive read, the narcissist lives to a ripe old age and clings to life forever. 🙁
Dear NotYourDaddy,
Thank you for the compliment. I am pretty verbose at least! LOL
The nature vs nurture thing is a big thing for me too, and since the research is showing I think that genes for various things besides aggression etc. are turned ON or OFF like toggle switches by environmental circumstances—and sometimes once turned ON can’t be turned OFF again.
diabetes, type II is one of those things that is definitely turned ON or OFF by environmental things (diet and exercise) and also in now being called a PART of a “metabolic syndrome” as only ONE part of a 3-part thing which inclues the sugar part (diabetes II) high blood pressure, and blood vessel stopage.
If a person stays slim and active, they are almost immune from type II diabetes in later life even if they have the genetic potential. (I do know some patients who are exceptions to this)
We know that stress changes the brain and chemicals in the brain, some genetic mental illnesses are turned ON at young adulthood….some disorders too seem to be enhanced when puberty turns on the male hormone production to full blast.
I wish I could come back to earth in 100 years and see what they have learned about testing for mental illness and personality disorders and if there is a treatment. For right now, though, they are only in the early stages of the research.
Glad you are here Not Your Daddy. I wish you had been able to turn that woman to LF.
Dearest Twice betrayed,
I read your blog re your younger daughter, the one who hada kid by your second ex sociopath husband.I so relate to what you said. my two girls were ALWAYS trying to make out I was the crazy one, and so did my ex when hed been drinking.It wasnt until I found LF and found out about “gaslighting”, etc, that the light bulbs started going on, one after another!!. WERE NOT THE CRAZY ONES!But theyd love us to believe their lying spin. Like you, I have no family now except for my second loving normal husband, and my new darling loving new ‘adopted adult kids from Iran, who have given us more love in one year than my horrible ingrates of daughters had done in 27 years!My younger daughter, the one who went NC with me with no explanation 17 years ago, used to try to control me verbally and put me down all the time.Like a total fool, I went on giving large sums of money to the older one for years, even though she treated me like s–t. I havent heard a peep out of hr since I told her the “Mum Bank is now closed, permanently”, 2 months ago.My brother in England is rude to everyone, but was unbelievably rude and hurtful to me, and when I confronted him with it, he went NC, even though I wrote and tried to make it up, even though it wasnt my fault. My other brother is in denial about anything the least bit controversial and threatening, and chose to side with his brother, and has gone NC too with me.What a bunch!!Im better off without any of them! without the support of LF, I probably would have started to believe their lies, and believe that I was the crazy one, not them! Darling Oxy is 200% right, they are Nest of Vipers!They dont love us, they are harmful and toxic to us. For our sanity and well-being, we hve to go NCwith them. I know its hard, I have grandkids too, I havent seen them in half a year, and have never seen the other ds 3 kids.Why cant the 3 of them be wrong? they ARE wrong, they are insane, crazy, Narcopaths! we need them in our lives like a dose of Syphilis!! Dont let your daughter get a chance to try to play these sick power games with you. It takes two to play, drop out, then she has no-one to torture, They are Seriously SICK,SICK,SICK!!!Like you I have shown nothing but love and devotion to these adult brats, and they reward me with sick, manipulative, cruel, mind games. They are incapaple of love, they dont even love themselves. We have to Run run run from them, or they WILL drag us down!geminigirl{{HUGS}}}XX
geminigirl: Thanks so much for your hugs and encouragement!! (((((HUGS BACK TO YOU!)))) I am so sorry to hear many of us do have kids that turned out like the P’s. That is why I am so slanted toward believing it’s largely genetic. I was what Oxy said: I believed if I got my two older kids away from their P father they would NOT be like him because to quote Oxy I thought they were just a ‘clean slate’ like what was taught back then. They are not….we are all genetically programmed at least to a certain degree. I sacrificed too much for them and it’s broken me up pretty badly. I was just 20 years old with two kids in diapers when I buckled down and raised them w/o their father who jumped ship to finish his many degrees and partying. Then when they started growing up I got too lonely because I had made my kids my world and dumped my life/youth to raise them. I met this last P and married and had a child by him and just basically repeated myself. I say all this to help show how much damage these people do when you have children by them. I felt like I had to work extra hard because my first two had no father and my second one had one that was absent a lot. Moral to this long saga: Watch who you marry and especially who you have kids with.
[*my daugher did not have a child with my hub. It’s like this: older daughter by my first hub had a long term affair with my second hub who is the father of my younger daughter who has my granddaughter. I am sorry if I told that confusing…I was seriously stressed over my gd. I hate to see her lost on all that muck……..]
I feel so badly for being part of the reason these people continue. Just like Sandra Brown and Dr. Leedom said: this is a high price to pay just for wanting love and a family.
Twice
forgive your self! It is not genetic, it is learned, the genetic part is the propensity or likely hood of it’s development! We live in a world where self centered ness is advocated at every angel!
Where did the lesson of do unto others as you would have done to you GO??????
Now it is do to them before they do it to you!
Easy:
Thanks so much! Well, you know, you are right, now that I think about it. Just like the sixties influenced me I guess the now world influences them-no mattter how we/they were raised. True….very true.
Twice
I did the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again till I was absolutely brooke mind ,body spirit and pocket
Dear Twice,
We read Dr. Spock and we tried to raise our children with love and care. We worked at it, but Sweetie, we were told that the children were blank slates and we tried to write well on those blank slates, but unfortunately, our chaulk didn’t stick—-between the genetic propensity and the environmental effects of the world at large, they became what they became. NOT our fault.
All we can do at this point is to ACCEPT WHAT IS the situation with our ADULT children.
As for your GD I know it must be very painful to want to be with her, and to not be, but that too is nothing you can control. I ialso believe that she may come out of this a “normal” person–sure it will be more difficult for her since she obviously has the genetic potential, but I have seen cases where the children of Ps turned out okay. Me for one! 2 of my 3 half sibs for another. Several friends of mine who had P parents and are wonderful people. (and BTW it showed up again in their kids just as it did with mine…”skipped a generation”)
Whatever the combination of genes and environment that produces psychopaths and other personality disordered people and “skips” generations or shows up unexpectedly with in a family of loving people, I think it is going to be difficult to pin down. Too many variables, but research is on-going so hopefully some day if not in our life times.
In the mean time, all we can do is to take care of ourselves and if that means distancing ourselves from our children, what choice to we have? Well, we could live the rest of our lives in pain and injury or we can lilve in relative peace and calm with those people that do love us, whether they are related by blood or not. Like Gemini and her “adopted” adult children, we can love and be loved and be happy.
Keep the faith guys! TOWANDA!!!!