It is likely you are reading this because a sociopath said “I love you” and you believed him/her. You also probably thought that when the sociopath said “I love you” he/she used these words as you do, to express a sense of intimacy, passion and commitment. However, what a sociopath says and what a sociopath does are so different it can be crazy making.
In the aftermath of a relationship with a sociopath, former romantic partners are left to wonder, “Just what was going on in that person’s mind?” “What was he/she thinking?” Many people have written in asking, “Did he/she really love me?” and “Do you think he/she loves that other person now?” It is the second question many find most disturbing.
In 1943, Dr. Abraham Maslow in his classic paper, A theory of human motivation, declared that psychopaths lack the capacity and motivation for love. “The so-called ‘psychopathic personality’ is another example of permanent loss of the love needs. These are people who, according to the best data available (9), have been starved for love in the earliest months of their lives and have simply lost forever the desire and the ability to give and to receive affection (as animals lose sucking or pecking reflexes that are not exercised soon enough after birth). ”
Contemporaneously with Maslow, Dr. Hervey Cleckley described psychopaths in The Mask of Sanity and developed a set of criteria for their identification. According to Cleckley (criteria #9), psychopathy is associated with “pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love.” He declared “The psychopath seldom shows anything that, if the chief facts were known, would pass even in the eyes of lay observers as object love.”
Cleckley also maintained that an “absolute” incapacity for love is even found in those with an “incomplete manifestation” of psychopathy, who lack the full disorder. Writing in 1956, Drs.McCord and McCord disagreed with Cleckley and Maslow. They described psychopaths as having “a warped capacity for love” stating, “there are indications that the capacity, however under developed, still exists .”
My guess is that the McCords got fooled just like you and I and a recent paper shows us why.
Dr. Barbara Gawda at Maria Curie-Skldowska University Poland studied the “Love Scripts” of sociopaths. Love scripts are simply ideas about love that a person has. These ideas include how people fall in love, and what people in love are supposed to do.
Dr. Gawda showed a picture of a man and a woman hugging to 60 sociopaths in prison, 40 prisoners without disorder and 100 university students. She asked all participants to write a story about the picture and to imagine themselves as one of the characters.
The sociopaths stories were significantly longer, more detailed, and more self-centered than the other two groups. Contrary to expectations then sociopaths do not lack love schemas. They are perfectly adept and perhaps more adept than most in talking about love. The findings of this study jive completely with my own clinical experience. That is, over the years many people I knew to be sociopaths told me about their love experiences. Their stories were impressive and had me believing that they were capable of love.
If clinicians, scientists, lovers and family members rely on verbal reports, they will never come to understand the lack of capacity to love that characterizes sociopaths. Cleckley reached his conclusions about psychopathy and love only after observing their actions over a number of years. He also said this,
“In a sense, it is absurd to maintain that the psychopath’s incapacity for object love is absolute, that is, to say he is (in)capable of affection for another ”¦ He is plainly capable of casual fondness, of likes and dislikes, and of reactions that, one might say, cause others to matter to him. These affective reactions are, however, always strictly limited in degree. In durability they also vary greatly from what is normal in mankind. The term absolute is, I believe, appropriate if we apply it to any affective attitude strong and meaningful enough to be called love, that is, anything that prevails in sufficient degree and over sufficient periods to exert a major influence on behavior.”
References
A theory of human motivation. Maslow, A. H.; Psychological Review, Vol 50(4), Jul, 1943. pp. 370-396
McCord, W and McCord, J (1956) Psychopathy and Delenquency New York: Grune and Stratton, Inc. page 13
Love scripts of persons with antisocial personality.Gawda B.
Psychological Reports 2008, 103, 371-380.
This study compared the scripts of love among 60 prison inmates diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder and those of 40 inmates without an Antisocial Personality Disorder diagnosis but low antisocial tendencies, and a control group of 100 adult students in extramural or evening secondary schools without Antisocial Personality Disorder traits. The study focused on emotional knowledge about love of the group with Antisocial Personality Disorder, as they present lack of capacity for love. The study was done to examine how they perceive love and how much knowledge they have about love. All described their reactions to a photograph of a couple hugging each other. The content of these scripts, analyzed in terms of description of actors, their actions and emotions, and length of description, was compared among the groups. The scripts of love by antisocial inmates contained more actors’ feelings and strong emotions, as well as more descriptions of actors’ traits, their actions, and presumptions. The inmates with Antisocial Personality Disorder showed more focus on themselves when they described love than the other inmates and the controls.
sky – ‘try to make me feel like I was missing out on something someone else had.’ spath was ALL over that. i have been reading more lately than posting – not enough time to do both – and i have sure been seeing more and more things the spath did in other’s writing.
i was talking to a lf poster the other night, and all this stuff that the spath did to me to con me and hurt me came pouring out. and we talked about the n people who we had been close too and i got a better grip on the behavior of my n ex gf.
so, these days i am sitting in the bits of things she did – i am not so numb, and a lot of it is flooding back now. it’s good. but i know i am terrible scared of something, because i have started to overeat again. i think it’s the abandonment stuff – work ,ex friends, my own self care needing to be better, and i have to make more time for it. whcich cycles back around to work.
i did something really positive for myself the others day – but i couldn’t handle it – i have a fear reaction to it. erggh. i need to spend some time journaling. i need to make some time to.
Hens;
I was never much of a cyber person. I have met some people over the years, but for every good experience there seemed 2 bad ones. Due to health and also not working, over the last three years I have spent more time online than any other period in my life. Some good, like here. Other times, it just filled a void, other times the internet enabled me to isolate when I should have gotten out.
Here is a scary thought, or a cosmic one if you are that type of person. 4 times online I have came across my x-spath. Once before I met him in person, three times after, all by accident.
In fact, the one profile I knew he had, because his friends joked about it, I could never find!
Thus, 9 months before I met him in person, I saw some of his videos on x-tube. He caught my eye because of his “normalness” or as he describes himself “next door type.”
Two weeks after he dumped me, on the recommendation of a friend, I tried a relatively maintstream dating website on the advice of a friend. This website’s “matching” algorithm found him for me.
Around May of 2009, I was planning a trip to England. I was looking to make some friends online and I was careful to avoid anyone that might be the x-spath. Found one that seemed at first to be a nice guy, definately could not be the x-spath (a year younger, different location, slightly different personal details). I never contacted this guy. Turns out it was x-spath.
Last Summer, two of my best friends moved to England and wanted me to visit. Again, to make some contacts I went online to a website I thought would be totally “safe.” Guess what, there is the x-spath…
One can only imagine how many more profiles out there belong to a sociopath. I certainly see strong evidence of such in some message boards.
That’s creepy that he was your match ~!
One Joy,
that was the main thing my spath did to me. IT WAS CONSTANT! 25 YEARS WORTH!
It was so obvious! Really, I could write a book about how did it. He even used other people to try to make me feel like I didn’t have what everyone else has.
Actually I find it FASCINATING! It’s the most fascinating part of spaths because it makes it OBVIOUS what HE felt was the most horrible emotion to have: envy! That’s what he wanted me to feel.
It’s hard to describe what happened in these scenarios. First, it’s possible that I’m a bit unusual because my parents taught me to not care for myself, but I don’t have much trouble with envy. I really don’t envy. So everytime he pointed out something or threw it in my face, I would just be GLAD for the people who have it (whatever it is I was supposed to envy). I mean, if I had no legs, would I want everyone else to be legless? no! People with legs can carry me. having everyone else be miserable does nothing for me. envy is irrational. It’s so easy to not feel envy that it makes me LAUGH when people have envy. I think it’s a choice. You can choose to envy or you can choose to be glad for others. After all, there will always be people who have more and people who have less than we do, right? Are we going to walk around having emotional tizzy fits at everyone? No, but a spath DOES!
This is stuff I never really contemplated before I knew what a spath was. So in a sense, it is really helpful, as you say, because it forces us to LOOK at who we are, how we think and feel and react. Not easy or fun but soooo nice to get the breakthrough realizations.
I think you and LL and I are scared of learning how to live again. That’s all. It came naturally before and we did what we did from our programming and without thinking. It seemed to work with only just a few glitches. As Oxy says, we were, “functioning in our dysfunction”. Then the catastrophic failure hit and we know we have to re-write the code and you know how tedious that is. Do we start from scratch or can we fix the errors?
Hens;
I signed up, answered about 100 matching questions, hit the button. Of the hundreds of matches, he was around number 15-20.
The x-spath answered nearly 1000, certain indication of somebody spending a lot of time online. At that time, you could actually see what questions somebody answered (but not their answers). As the questions became more explicit sexually or about topics of trust and lawfulness, my matching score with him started to decline.
While I do not know his exact answers to questions, I know that to improve you match score with him you should:
Not be concerned with details of somebody’s past;
Be willing to date somebody who was a former sex industry worker;
Be willing to date somebody convicted of a sexual crime;
Believe that drugs can be used to enhance sex;
Be willing to date somebody who has a sexually transmitted disease.
This does not mean he is any off the above. It just means that he would date somebody who was a former sex industry worker and to match better with him, you should be willing to do so yourself.
When I saw the question be willing to date somebody who has a sexually transmitted disease, it all clicked. HIV+
Yeah That’s why I date the ugly man in the mirror, we get along pretty good.
BBE,
Interesting stuff you’ve posted! My exPOS had one dating site that I was aware of. So when I found out, I posted a profile to see what would happen. He was one of the first TEN that showed up as a match and it matched EVERY single item that you could be matched up about. When I saw that, I died laughing. He realized it was me, cuz he got mine too and it was hysterical. AT least at the time. I’m not as fortunate as all of you are and I don’t know how you all found out that your spaths were on more than ONE dating site. I’m not aware if my exPOS is or not. I haven’t bothered to find out either. I don’t know how you would, but it must be just SO validating in some way to know they were on porn sites, etc. I never saw that with my exPOS either. The discovery of the one dating site was by completely by accident.
SKy, you hit on something very important. The envy the spath has. Mine did to me what yours did to you but in a different way. Everyone else was getting from him waht I was not. He knew this because I would TELL Him so. What I gave him was more ammo to hurt me. I now see how many things he did on purpose to make sure I knew I would never have what EVERYONE around him (not just his wife, now that i think about it, but his kids, his friends, his church) had: HIS TIME AND ATTENTIVENESS.
I wonder now, in thinking about it and in knowing he knew what I wanted with him, if it was envy projected. He slimed me with it.
It worked.
And that’s part of why this is so excrutiating. I never have and never will have, everything he gives to everyone else. He played on what I wanted and created more hurt and anger for me in the envy I felt, the images that they were all getting something I was not.
And it nearly destroyed me.
BBE On a serious note I think website’s for meeting gay men are all about sex and body parts, so much of it is dont ask dont tell. I have yet to find a website where porn is not attached to it in some way. I have a friend who is hiv positive and healthy as a horse, but he had ( HIV+) tattood on his private part – I admire him for that…..
Hens,
This may seem to be a stupid question and I apologize ahead of time if it feels offensive. I have a gay son too. I DON”T allow him on websites that are gay based for that very reason. It inevitably leads to dating sites or to porn.
Having said that, and reading your experiences here, aside from the fact that you’re a gay man, do you think that men in general are more geared toward sexual obsession or deviance? What IS an appropriate guy, gay OR straight sexually? It’s my opinion (spath use to remind me of this 24/7) that men think about sex every minute of the day where women do not (um, not necessarily true either, i don’t think). It seems to me that it’s more than just an opennes to one’s sexual orientation. So where is the line between sexual playfulness and sexual DEVIANCE?
Does that make sense?
Yes it makes sense..I think men think about sex more than women but I am not a women so I am not sure about that. I thought I was a pretty wild guy until I got a computer and looked into places like gay.com and other gay websites..I was never so shocked in my life – there are chatrooms for certain fetishes – things I had never even dreamed of – things that are deviant and sadistic – twisted to say the least…So I am really a very ‘vanilla’ type of guy..and i have never met anyone online that was worth seeing a second time…but your question is so big LL – sometimes there are no answers , so I stopped asking or at least beating myself up wanting to understand …I dont analyze like i used to…takes up to much livin time…