It is likely you are reading this because a sociopath said “I love you” and you believed him/her. You also probably thought that when the sociopath said “I love you” he/she used these words as you do, to express a sense of intimacy, passion and commitment. However, what a sociopath says and what a sociopath does are so different it can be crazy making.
In the aftermath of a relationship with a sociopath, former romantic partners are left to wonder, “Just what was going on in that person’s mind?” “What was he/she thinking?” Many people have written in asking, “Did he/she really love me?” and “Do you think he/she loves that other person now?” It is the second question many find most disturbing.
In 1943, Dr. Abraham Maslow in his classic paper, A theory of human motivation, declared that psychopaths lack the capacity and motivation for love. “The so-called ‘psychopathic personality’ is another example of permanent loss of the love needs. These are people who, according to the best data available (9), have been starved for love in the earliest months of their lives and have simply lost forever the desire and the ability to give and to receive affection (as animals lose sucking or pecking reflexes that are not exercised soon enough after birth). ”
Contemporaneously with Maslow, Dr. Hervey Cleckley described psychopaths in The Mask of Sanity and developed a set of criteria for their identification. According to Cleckley (criteria #9), psychopathy is associated with “pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love.” He declared “The psychopath seldom shows anything that, if the chief facts were known, would pass even in the eyes of lay observers as object love.”
Cleckley also maintained that an “absolute” incapacity for love is even found in those with an “incomplete manifestation” of psychopathy, who lack the full disorder. Writing in 1956, Drs.McCord and McCord disagreed with Cleckley and Maslow. They described psychopaths as having “a warped capacity for love” stating, “there are indications that the capacity, however under developed, still exists .”
My guess is that the McCords got fooled just like you and I and a recent paper shows us why.
Dr. Barbara Gawda at Maria Curie-Skldowska University Poland studied the “Love Scripts” of sociopaths. Love scripts are simply ideas about love that a person has. These ideas include how people fall in love, and what people in love are supposed to do.
Dr. Gawda showed a picture of a man and a woman hugging to 60 sociopaths in prison, 40 prisoners without disorder and 100 university students. She asked all participants to write a story about the picture and to imagine themselves as one of the characters.
The sociopaths stories were significantly longer, more detailed, and more self-centered than the other two groups. Contrary to expectations then sociopaths do not lack love schemas. They are perfectly adept and perhaps more adept than most in talking about love. The findings of this study jive completely with my own clinical experience. That is, over the years many people I knew to be sociopaths told me about their love experiences. Their stories were impressive and had me believing that they were capable of love.
If clinicians, scientists, lovers and family members rely on verbal reports, they will never come to understand the lack of capacity to love that characterizes sociopaths. Cleckley reached his conclusions about psychopathy and love only after observing their actions over a number of years. He also said this,
“In a sense, it is absurd to maintain that the psychopath’s incapacity for object love is absolute, that is, to say he is (in)capable of affection for another ”¦ He is plainly capable of casual fondness, of likes and dislikes, and of reactions that, one might say, cause others to matter to him. These affective reactions are, however, always strictly limited in degree. In durability they also vary greatly from what is normal in mankind. The term absolute is, I believe, appropriate if we apply it to any affective attitude strong and meaningful enough to be called love, that is, anything that prevails in sufficient degree and over sufficient periods to exert a major influence on behavior.”
References
A theory of human motivation. Maslow, A. H.; Psychological Review, Vol 50(4), Jul, 1943. pp. 370-396
McCord, W and McCord, J (1956) Psychopathy and Delenquency New York: Grune and Stratton, Inc. page 13
Love scripts of persons with antisocial personality.Gawda B.
Psychological Reports 2008, 103, 371-380.
This study compared the scripts of love among 60 prison inmates diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder and those of 40 inmates without an Antisocial Personality Disorder diagnosis but low antisocial tendencies, and a control group of 100 adult students in extramural or evening secondary schools without Antisocial Personality Disorder traits. The study focused on emotional knowledge about love of the group with Antisocial Personality Disorder, as they present lack of capacity for love. The study was done to examine how they perceive love and how much knowledge they have about love. All described their reactions to a photograph of a couple hugging each other. The content of these scripts, analyzed in terms of description of actors, their actions and emotions, and length of description, was compared among the groups. The scripts of love by antisocial inmates contained more actors’ feelings and strong emotions, as well as more descriptions of actors’ traits, their actions, and presumptions. The inmates with Antisocial Personality Disorder showed more focus on themselves when they described love than the other inmates and the controls.
Furthermore, if you do NOT know what someone’s next move is going to be, you are definitely NOT in control of the situation.
Right on, Blueskies. I am reading your post as I write this one.
AND another thing!(enter soapbox stage right and picture a ranty english tired woman wagging her finger;) I dont want ANY of my relationships to be about CONTROL or manipulation EVER AGAIN. I HAVE real ‘gooduns’ in my life by some absolute miracle, and they are not about control of one over another at any given time (dont mean to contradict Rosa xx). They are few, and they might sound like some hippy friendship nirvana, but they EXIST and I DONT DO anything else from now on. I have DECIDED.:)
LOL! we were ‘further more and another thing!’ posting over eachother:)xx
Dear DasInChick,
Welcome, glad you are reading and learning, and welcome to your first post. You know the drill, and KNOWLEDGE IS POWER so keep on learning. God bless.
Oxdrover, I resent your comment:
That is like saying “he is such a nice person, WHEN HE IS NOT ROBBING BANKS, OR BEING MEAN TO PEOPLE.”
I actually used to say, he is such a nice person, WHEN HE IS NOT SELLING DRUGS, LYING, OR BEING MEAN TO PEOPLE.”
and I meant it! LOL! It actually sounded reasonable to me at the time. Now I understand that I would find an excuse for any behavior to avoid the shame of facing the truth: that I loved a perverted, souless, thing.
Please sign me up as the stupidest person on this forum.
Blueskies and everybody
I think that is the best rule ( quote Blueskies): ” I dont want ANY of my relationships to be about CONTROL or manipulation EVER AGAIN”
If I so much as feel an inch of control game I try to be alert on this in PERSONAL relationships. I mean there are plenty of situations in this life where you cant chose, but darned I wont let friends in now that I need to be alert and what not. I just cant do it anymore. Id rather spend my time on anything else. I also wont allow myself to fool myself anymore. CHOSE reality is another mantra. Its hard though.
DASICHCHICK
Welcome, or wilkomme maybe ;).
Thats an intense story you wrote down. Seems like you are being very real with yourself which seems to be an excellent starting point. I dont know what else to say yet. Did you read The Betrayal Bond, that would be a good one for you.
MissDiaz,
Please don’t misunderstand us. I also fantasize about keeping in touch with the P, just so I can get more information for my book that I may one day write. I would so love to taunt him by telling him that he isn’t possessed because the devil would never waste his time on him. He is skipping along the road to hell very nicely on his own, why would the devil waste his time? The devil is more likely to focus on an innocent person. just as the P would not waste time luring a skanky ho if a nice young nieve girl is nearby.
Sorry, I digressed into my fantasy. See what I mean? But anyway, my point is, it’s just a fantasy. Reality is what the people on LF are trying to bring you back to. Unless you live the life of a spy or have unlimited resources with lots of people on your payroll, you cannot afford to play with this guy.
Dear rosa and Blue,
People who “play games with” known psychopaths and try to have relationships (“friendships”) with them and to be “in control” have problems that we cannot “solve” here on LoveFraud (or anywhere else for that matter).
Think about it for a minute—how do victims behave—they are devestated, broken, broken hearted, angry, and rinse and repeat, etc. they do not try to stay in a relationship with the P to “gain control” over the P and play with fire. They may want the P to love them, treat them nice, or even go back because they can’t stand to be alone, etc. or even recognize that the P has hurt them, doesn’t and can’t love them, but they don’t go back for a “friendship” as a general rule.
Look what we told Henry to do, and guess what, Henry kicked the X-X “friend” to the curb, because he knows you can’t be “friends” with a P.
Remember the guy who came here wanting us to help him “write the perfect letter” to her and he compulsively kept on writing and re-writing this letter over and over? then he started asking us for copies of the letter we wrote to our Ps, and telling us he just wanted to “control the situation”—
When we get involved with trying to give advice to a person who is trying to “control” the siutation, almost with glee, like it is a big game, think about what we are dealing with and what the chances of success in that are.
Remember how many times we advised the letter writer to drop it? What was our success? What conclusion did we come to about the letter writer?
What happens when one person plays with matches around gasoline, and maybe gets burned, and then goes back to seeing how close they can get to the gasoline again without setting another fire? Both gasoline and fire are dangerous by themselves and when you put the two of them closely togeter, it is always a bad thing. It may keep “life interesting” and “advernturous” and there is a “high risk taking” component that sometimes keeps people from being bored, but not my cup of tea if you know what I mean. Think about it.
That’s a situation my skillet couldn’t help, but maybe Tilly’s boomer could. (((hugs))) to you guys
Dasichick,
sleep deprived and hungry…I can relate to that. No time to eat and sleep while on an adventure.
Welcome. I know you still feel bad, I do too, but I keep reminding myself that the worst is over and it can only get better with him out of the picture.
Skylar
WHAHA thats funny, yeah I have conversations about him, to him and fantasies and what not about him too.
But seriously these last couple of days I have been on the verge many times to contact someone in his surroundings again, which at this point I KNOW is absolutely dangerous for me. The hurt is apparantly still bigger than the fear for him and his. The need has subsided in the last few hours ( I take it all STILL hour by hour sometimes…)