It is likely you are reading this because a sociopath said “I love you” and you believed him/her. You also probably thought that when the sociopath said “I love you” he/she used these words as you do, to express a sense of intimacy, passion and commitment. However, what a sociopath says and what a sociopath does are so different it can be crazy making.
In the aftermath of a relationship with a sociopath, former romantic partners are left to wonder, “Just what was going on in that person’s mind?” “What was he/she thinking?” Many people have written in asking, “Did he/she really love me?” and “Do you think he/she loves that other person now?” It is the second question many find most disturbing.
In 1943, Dr. Abraham Maslow in his classic paper, A theory of human motivation, declared that psychopaths lack the capacity and motivation for love. “The so-called ‘psychopathic personality’ is another example of permanent loss of the love needs. These are people who, according to the best data available (9), have been starved for love in the earliest months of their lives and have simply lost forever the desire and the ability to give and to receive affection (as animals lose sucking or pecking reflexes that are not exercised soon enough after birth). ”
Contemporaneously with Maslow, Dr. Hervey Cleckley described psychopaths in The Mask of Sanity and developed a set of criteria for their identification. According to Cleckley (criteria #9), psychopathy is associated with “pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love.” He declared “The psychopath seldom shows anything that, if the chief facts were known, would pass even in the eyes of lay observers as object love.”
Cleckley also maintained that an “absolute” incapacity for love is even found in those with an “incomplete manifestation” of psychopathy, who lack the full disorder. Writing in 1956, Drs.McCord and McCord disagreed with Cleckley and Maslow. They described psychopaths as having “a warped capacity for love” stating, “there are indications that the capacity, however under developed, still exists .”
My guess is that the McCords got fooled just like you and I and a recent paper shows us why.
Dr. Barbara Gawda at Maria Curie-Skldowska University Poland studied the “Love Scripts” of sociopaths. Love scripts are simply ideas about love that a person has. These ideas include how people fall in love, and what people in love are supposed to do.
Dr. Gawda showed a picture of a man and a woman hugging to 60 sociopaths in prison, 40 prisoners without disorder and 100 university students. She asked all participants to write a story about the picture and to imagine themselves as one of the characters.
The sociopaths stories were significantly longer, more detailed, and more self-centered than the other two groups. Contrary to expectations then sociopaths do not lack love schemas. They are perfectly adept and perhaps more adept than most in talking about love. The findings of this study jive completely with my own clinical experience. That is, over the years many people I knew to be sociopaths told me about their love experiences. Their stories were impressive and had me believing that they were capable of love.
If clinicians, scientists, lovers and family members rely on verbal reports, they will never come to understand the lack of capacity to love that characterizes sociopaths. Cleckley reached his conclusions about psychopathy and love only after observing their actions over a number of years. He also said this,
“In a sense, it is absurd to maintain that the psychopath’s incapacity for object love is absolute, that is, to say he is (in)capable of affection for another ”¦ He is plainly capable of casual fondness, of likes and dislikes, and of reactions that, one might say, cause others to matter to him. These affective reactions are, however, always strictly limited in degree. In durability they also vary greatly from what is normal in mankind. The term absolute is, I believe, appropriate if we apply it to any affective attitude strong and meaningful enough to be called love, that is, anything that prevails in sufficient degree and over sufficient periods to exert a major influence on behavior.”
References
A theory of human motivation. Maslow, A. H.; Psychological Review, Vol 50(4), Jul, 1943. pp. 370-396
McCord, W and McCord, J (1956) Psychopathy and Delenquency New York: Grune and Stratton, Inc. page 13
Love scripts of persons with antisocial personality.Gawda B.
Psychological Reports 2008, 103, 371-380.
This study compared the scripts of love among 60 prison inmates diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder and those of 40 inmates without an Antisocial Personality Disorder diagnosis but low antisocial tendencies, and a control group of 100 adult students in extramural or evening secondary schools without Antisocial Personality Disorder traits. The study focused on emotional knowledge about love of the group with Antisocial Personality Disorder, as they present lack of capacity for love. The study was done to examine how they perceive love and how much knowledge they have about love. All described their reactions to a photograph of a couple hugging each other. The content of these scripts, analyzed in terms of description of actors, their actions and emotions, and length of description, was compared among the groups. The scripts of love by antisocial inmates contained more actors’ feelings and strong emotions, as well as more descriptions of actors’ traits, their actions, and presumptions. The inmates with Antisocial Personality Disorder showed more focus on themselves when they described love than the other inmates and the controls.
omg!!! u people are me!!! im 45 and have lived a very normal life (until 6 years ago) i met my kindred spirit.. oh my, what was i thinking… i was totally swept off my feet… the sex was somthing i had never experianced… not saying i was a virgin, i had been married 20 yrs,had raised wonderful children… then it was my turn to live life… we were just sex buddies and he said i need more, i want to know ur sole ( now i think thats short for suck the life out of you) we were together 5 yrs. he bought me a wonderful ring we set a date… i was so happy… i felt complete! some things seemed weird ( not wanting me to work much, wanting little to no contact wiyh others,even family… wanting me to limit contact with even my children and grandson… checking my phone and voice mails at work. wanting me to call when i started home… ) all these things seemed weird but validared them by saying to myself that his ex wife had been a very bad unfaithful person and had left him insecure…. nothing that wouldnt get better as he saw that i was wonderful for him and to him… the more i let him control the more control he wanted… it got to one evening i was late getting home from book club and he had locked me out… I was shocked. the next day he explained in such fine fare i found myself apoligizing for upseting him, oh my… after we decided to marry things became different some how or maybe i became more aware… i was using his computer one day because mine was broke and found his other life… private pictures i had allowed him to take of me were posted and he was trading pics with friends and strangers… i decided to not get married and start really looking at what was really going on… found he was getting pain killers from drs. and internet and friends along with other drugs found he had a rel obsession with internet porn… im an old lady and had been dooped… i was so embarrased!!! he kept saying he was really a good person and wasnt hurting anyone why was i making such a big deal about… every time things would get bad and i would say enough is enough he explained what ever it was so well i apoligized… hes good. finely one day our dog was hurt badly… it took 92 stiches to put the little guy back together… my p is such a great guy he took off work to stay home and tend to the dog… and took all the dogs pain meds… that was the last straw.. finely i left and have spent the last yr going back and forth.. oh my god how do u just break ties with someone who makes u feel like such an ass for hurting them… he really doesnt find his actions to be wrong at all… he cant understand why ive deserted him??? he text tonight and said (ive got nothing… period … my life was ripped out and i have nothing…. good night i love u!!!! how do u reconcile the guilt and know u are dealing with a sociopath and someone who cant get better??? tell me how to be a better person.
i have read the above post and believe i know u… good luck be strong he is good … he dooped us both… and i wish u all the best !!! go conquer the world
Hi Vision and sandy25, glad to hear from you both, hope you keep reading and posting, lots of support here, good people. sandy25, you are the BEST person! You don’t have to be “better” for him, nothing is ever good enough for them.
Dear Vision and Sandy25, it sure sounds you deserve membership in “our club, those of us who have lived the same torment that both of you have.
It’s late but I do want to mention two things — to both of you. 1) Neither of you did anything to cause your pain. He did. 2) You both have been worn down by a disordered person and yet you are good, honorable women. Don’t forget that!
I may be WAY off (but I doubt it) but it seems that both of you don’t know yet that if a P/N/S’s lips are moving, they are lying. They are masters of the trait. Which brings me to suspect that neither of the Ex wives treated them badly but they had experienced the same as you have. “They” are also masters at never taking the blame for their own actions, always blaming it on othersl
I am very sorry that both of you qualify to be on this site but if you have been reading, you know there are wise and knowledgeable people here willing to share with you — as each of us continue to heal from our own ordeals, too.
3 AM, I woke up and can’t sleep.
Sandy, your heart is broken and it can’t begin to heal until you begin no contact with him. He will only lie and lie, there are no “reasons” to be obtained from him. He did what he did because he could.
Vision, you are so lucky that you are clear on your dislike for him. Most of us waffle for a long time, that’s what makes it more painful.
I believed all the lies the s told me, too. To this day, I wonder if anything he said was true. I have had a bad couple of months. I can’t seem to pull out of this funk I’m in. I know I haven’t slept well in a couple months. The nightmares are back in full force. I was doing pretty good at the beginning of summer, but the bottom seems to have fallen out. It’s like I have this feeling of impending doom, or that something is just totally wrong some how. I just can’t shake it this time.
My therapist repeated every week that Kurt loved me as much as he was capable. I held onto his “love notes” not like they crumbs – but morsels of GOLD! Every morning sticky notes with sentiments. His cards always had hand writtten notes that I didn’t realize until I read this were simply expressions of his narcissism. “I love you, we have the most beautiful…. (long list of adjetives one after another) life and boys.” Brag, brag, brag. Nothing personal. Never mentioned me or us. 17 years later I realize that these love notes really had no love in them. Just look at me and my prized possessions. He FORCED me to read them out loud while he videotaped!!! I told therapist how these notes confused me when he was otherwise so cruel. She seemed to think his daily notes were sweet. Yet, she never let on to diagnosing him. She only listed the sociopathic charactistics week after week. Not until I left the practice after 7 years did she say he has antisocial personality disorder. I told her that I should have been informed of what personality disorder she was quoting when saying “its in his character” “It won’t change” “just make yourself happy, you won’t be happy divorced”. “He is a generous, good provider but has a need to be secretive and guarded, selfish, withholding and hostile. ” I wasted years clinging to phony notes, opposite behavior and I’m left alone with 3 boys wondering how I could be so stupid.
sstiles i understand about sleep . i finally had to take niquil to get to sleep and am wondering if anyone here knows a better way??? girl we have to start sleepen…. this sux… what is impending doom??? i cant put my finger on it either… do u think we dont sleep because we feel impending doom or we feel it because were so tired… i feel some days its just to much…good luck i truely hope u have a wonderful day!!!
Thanks for your comments! Needed them…..as we all do…..
SStiles54: We all believed the lies…..and more then likely they are all lies….The article about being in limbo is a great one…..or as it was put: purgatory……That will make you feel like the other shoe is going to drop but OMG when????…..
.so you feel impending doom….It is all a habituation of the feeling with them…..us on their string…..Plus you might have a post traumatic stress problem…..look that up or maybe others here can explain that one for us…..
We are or were so conditioned to letting them run our lives…..so when we are back in control it feels all wrong at first…..
Thanks Skylar….when I really “see” him, I dislike much more now then I liked before….all his charm, smile, etc….but what about the traits of kindness and true giving? None….
Sandy25: Thanks!…..These SP are the same……The no contact is what is most important in the healing…..they won’t change so we must….or shrivel up and waste the rest of our lives…..and if we don’t then when they leave us….which they will……we will be sitting in the ashes of our lives…..so we must run for our lives…..run away from the bad life with them…..we love ourselves so we need to take ourselves away…..once you know who and what they are, you now have knowledge and wisdom means using that knowledge to do the right thing for yourself….
Hey all: He called this am (after I didn’t return his calls) and told me he met his ex in the store and went on about how she has to remorse and no conscience….He actually said these words…..Then told me to watch for anyone who isn’t sorry for what they have done and when they have no conscience…..I was baffled and thought how he could say this after he had just stood me up two days before……so I asked him……”Did you have remorse when you didn’t call and stood me up?” He said” I told you I was sorry”…..so I said “But do you have a conscience?”
He had to go……
Well, It felt good to not buy his pitch and expose his hypocrisy to his face so to speak…..I found the old me wanting to buy into it but the new me instead (before I could stop her LOL) exposed this…..ha…like mirror it back…..let him chew on that one…..he won’t care……but it was good for me…..because it is true….and being tired of lies dealing with the sword of truth feels really damn protecting for me right now…..
The good thing about NC is that we are not taken back into the game……We can concentrate on our healing and escape from the prison of fears…..Our jailer will keep us as long as we keep letting him…….It is so hard to admit he is false….so hard to accept he is a true SP…..but once proven and once we now know…..we cannot go back or we will suffer over and over….
I am being paid back $ he owes although small amounts at a time and I need this money back…..as long as he is paying…..otherwise I would have NC……and I will decide soon if the money is really as important as my feelings etc…..
Thanks all again!!
is that a trait as well ? i mean the owing us money??? i went thru my ck book and found i had loaned mine 58,000.00 in 5 yrs… he still calls and ask for money and feels intitled to get it… he even says why do people turn their backs on me??? what the hell???