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The Opposite of the Sociopath is the Libertarian

By John Hunt, MD

All who read Lovefraud.com know that sociopaths lie, cheat and steal, manipulate, control, defraud. Sociopaths seek out positions of power over others. The low functioning sociopath does this on a small scale—just ruining the life of an unsuspecting spouse, perhaps. The high functioning sociopath does this on a much grander scale, perhaps through the political system—ruining a country.

Sociopaths seek power. What better way to accomplish this than through politics? Think how much politicians have to lie to get elected. It is hard for a good person to get elected, in part because they don’t lie well. Sociopaths lie with practiced ease and no guilt. They concentrate themselves in government, quite naturally.

Ever wonder why government messes up so much? Why Congress is despised? Why presidents so often lie and mislead, strive for control over others, and somehow get away with it? Ever wonder why the government is so internally contradictory, so confusing, so incomprehensible, and yet somehow retains its total power over the people? Ever wonder why the largest debtor in the history of the world—the US government—which is an utterly bankrupt entity, somehow convinces people to loan it large sums of money, and the people accept loan repayment in the form of counterfeit currency printed out of thin air by the Federal Reserve? Do you see how sociopathic the government has become? A walking lie, a talking contradiction?

It is because the government is filled to the brims with sociopaths.

Force against fellow man

Politicians and bureaucrats have reserved for themselves the legal right to initiate force against their fellow man. Think about that for a moment. Anyone else who initiates force commits a crime, but not government! They are special! Moral law doesn’t apply to them! Sound familiar?

It doesn’t matter which party is in charge. Most recently they have compelled us to purchase really crappy and expensive financial products from their large corporate buddies (e.g., health insurance). But consider also the bipartisan support for forcible military conscription in the past, unconstitutional/illegal taxation and fees, the protection racket of the IRS, the spying and monitoring by the NSA, mandates for prescriptions for medications sold over-the-counter everywhere else in the world (the effect of which is to keep prices high for the profit of big pharma).

And fraud too. Consider the largest fraud in human history—the Federal Reserve—which creates money without work and doles it out to its morally bankrupt friends. Consider the ponzi schemes of Social Security and Medicare; and the totally illegal accounting methods of the federal government which artificially lower the government’s debt from $90 trillion to “only” $18 trillion, the justifications for which are so willingly accepted by a population in denial of obvious truths. The government is a giant con artist. A giant sociopathic monster. It’s all about control and manipulation. And they systematically gaslight us like crazy starting from kindergarten, to try to make us accept all this blatant criminality as appropriate!

No one knows what percentage of politicians and bureaucrats are sociopaths, but there is assuredly a high concentration of them in that realm. There are two reasons for this: 1) the sociopath’s skill set is perfect for politics and bureaucracy; 2) a position of legal unrestrained power over other humans is simply too intriguing for a high-functioning sociopath to let pass by.

The opposite: Libertarian

The political opposite, and social opposite, of the sociopath is the libertarian. A libertarian ascribes avidly, completely and thoroughly to the Nonaggression Principle. The Nonaggression Principle states that never, NEVER is it acceptable to initiate force or fraud against another human being. Wow. To a libertarian, no end ever justifies the use of an immoral means.

Now, this doesn’t make a libertarian a wimp. If someone attacks a libertarian without provocation, the libertarian wouldn’t hesitate to pop the dude in the face. But the libertarian wouldn’t attack, unless attacked first. The libertarian won’t lie, cheat, steal or defraud, excepting to take back something stolen. The libertarian will not initiate. But the libertarian will defend.

In a world in which cronyism is so dominant, it is easier to be successful by lying, cheating and stealing, or by rent seeking (convincing a politician to give you someone else’s money or property). Libertarians cannot do these things. They are incapable of doing them. How refreshing is that? Libertarians strive for a political system which allows their honesty to be rewarded instead of punished. We are a long way from that society.

Each of us has suffered from the actions of the sociopaths in our lives. Yet we are also the confused and willing victims of the sociopaths in government. We remain in denial about these controllers, manipulators, liars and cheaters. We give them unearned authority and unearned credibility because we are taught to believe that they have the right to tell us what to do. We stick their names on our bumper stickers. We send them money. We vote for them. What are we thinking?

My recommendation? If you want the opposite of the sociopath to be your partner, seek out a libertarian. If you want the opposite of a sociopath to be your representative in congress, to be your senator, or to be your president, seek out a libertarian.

Libertarians and sociopaths

Libertarians are likely to trust any individual who claims to be a libertarian or is a Ron Paul supporter. This is because libertarians abide by a personal code that makes them, by definition, principled and honorable people. However, libertarians are human. They have no greater education about sociopaths than anyone else. They can be faked out by sociopaths too, although usually not for long. Because sociopaths are such effective liars, you of course need to beware that they can put on the act of being a libertarian, the same way that sociopaths often pretend to be Christian—to take advantage of people’s desires to trust others. Indeed, sociopaths can infiltrate any philosophy. But the libertarian doctrine stands so adamantly in contrast to the sociopath’s hardwired and distorted brain, that the sociopath cannot hold to a fake libertarian act for long. Sociopathy used to be called “moral insanity”, and maybe it should be called that again. True libertarians are the opposite: they are morally rational.

To a libertarian, there is nothing more dangerous than lying to oneself. Sociopaths absolutely rely on the ability of their victims to lie to themselves. Libertarianism therefore is a vaccination against the infection and the cancer of the sociopath.

Just in case you have some false impression of libertarians, they are not on the fringe of society, although they are on the fringe of politics! They can be found in the Democratic or the Republican party (always as reformers), or as members of other political parties, or most commonly not as part of any political party. Libertarians are most aptly described as Americans of the style we usually consider the country’s founding fathers to be, except that they are also exceedingly tolerant.

Characteristics of a Libertarian

As a quick introduction to your study of what a libertarian is, here is my list of characteristics. Libertarians are above all individuals, but most all ascribe to these concepts.

  1. They don’t initiate force or fraud against their fellow man. They are principled.
  2. They are tolerant people. Tolerant of anything other than force or fraud.
  3. They don’t use government power to commit force or fraud to benefit themselves or others.
  4. They don’t use propaganda or gaslighting to manipulate the people.
  5. They don’t vote for politicians who want to use government power to commit force or fraud, or to compel people to behave a certain way, or to compel people to buy certain products. They only support politicians who recognize the only job of government is to protect people from the force and fraud of others. To a libertarian, neither democracy nor the voting booth should be considered or used as means of compulsion.
  6. Libertarians favor a strong defense, but don’t attack unless threatened.
  7. Libertarians are commonly described as “fiscally conservative and socially liberal”. Libertarians do not oppose gay marriage. The don’t believe that victimless crimes are crimes. They think marijuana should be legal. They do not think that anyone’s money should be stolen from them and given to another through the tax code. They don’t believe that forced giving is either charitable or moral, but rather “forced giving” is just a form of theft. They never support bailing out Wall Street, nor giving power to one group over another. They don’t ever lend government power to special interests (Special interests are the opposite of the “general welfare” of the Constitution). Libertarians think that government is supposed to work for the people, not people work for government. They are opposed to the NSA spying on American citizens. Libertarians like immigrants. They think that America is not a geographically imprisoned nation-state, but rather a philosophy that can be found all over the world. Libertarians want to put a wall around the welfare state, not a wall around the country. Many libertarians are highly charitable. Many libertarians righteously fight against anyone who uses force against them or defrauds them.
  8. Libertarians are thoughtful people who above all respect the dignity and freedom of the individual to live as each individual chooses.
  9. Because of the moral principles to which libertarians ascribe—which are consistent and predictable based on the Nonaggression Principle—they can, better than most, recognize the fraud that permeates society.

If you want a world in which the sociopaths are not messing with your life and wreaking their havoc on society right and left, learn about libertarianism. If you want a partner that is the entire opposite of a manipulative sociopath, find yourself a libertarian.

The trend in society toward libertarianism is a wonderful thing for those who recognize that sociopaths are the embodiment of evil in the world. The central defining characteristic of a libertarians is moral sanity. Sociopaths, in absolute contrast, are morally insane.

John Hunt, MD is a pediatric lung physician and author of the novel Assume the Physician, which teaches about the medical system through constant humor, as well as Higher Cause, and a soon to be released guide for childhood asthma management.

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Imara

Oh Dr.Hunt…You make it sound so easy and practical!!!
In full disclosure I am a very proud bleeding hearted liberal!!! I endorse the live and let live philosophy whole heartedly but also believe that the role of government is to provide services that promote the greater good.
Unfortunately the idea that Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely holds as true for Libertarians as it does for members of both other parties. Moral sanity can be nurtured only if as a society at large we endorse the old values of helping the needy and vulnerable…keeping accountable individuals that perpetrate hurt not just in a corporate setting but also within our family structure.
Part of the intense pain survivors of non physical hurt and fraud experience is because society as a whole does not emphatically and strongly oppose actions of abandonment and cheating. Emphasis on individualism as opposed to group and family structure makes our culture much more vulnerable to excusing predatory behaviours. Family is our best institution for raising a healthy next generation. Why do we excuse individuals who inflict deliberate harm within the family structure only because they can? In those ways Libertarianism does provide a mixed message. And from experience I can say that any inconsistency is breeding ground for psychopathic predation.
Rather than endorsing any one ideology I wish that we could put our effort into protecting the family unit with social policy . The social fabric of our nation seems to be fairly damaged because of the excusing of bad behavior in the name of entitlement to search for individual happiness.
My partner does not need to be Libertarian…just a kind giving loving human being!!!! I do tend to find those on all ides of the aisle!!!!

john hunt MD

Sounds good! Let’s just make sure that we don’t let sociopaths determine what is the “greater good” and force us to accomplish it for them!

hens

Reading this – George W. Bush comes to mind…..

Imara

Hello Hello Hens!!!
Expound please!!! I love living in a very conservative part of Texas because I love a good debate!!!
Truth be told ( and of course we all know that the first casualty of any involvement with a psychopath is the truth)anyone who would expose themselves to the nastiness of Presidential elections in these days has to have more than a smattering of Narcissism don’t you think??

Redwald

Numerous commentators have characterized Obama as a narcissist…

Delores

Malignant Narcissist.

philomela

I am very upset and disappointed to see this article on LOVEFRAUD. i don’t think that articles promoting one political ideology over another is an appropriate thing to have on this site. While i agree that many politicians are probably sociopaths, i actually find the libertarian stance to be one of the most sociopathic and least humane economic/political ideologies. i certainly don’t think it is the opposite of sociopath. if i were to pick any economic system to be the opposite of sociopath it would be, socialism. So, rather than getting into a political/ ideological argument, i would like to respectfully request that this article/post be removed and that such articles not be on LF but should rather be posted in a different forum.

It is clear the good doctor does not know very many Libertarians, meaning those especially involved in the political party. The percentage of psychopathic individuals may be lower but they are there, and many of them in leadership positions.

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

Or maybe he does know many in the political party but knows how the news media uses their power to smear those that don’t agree with their political perspectives.

However, I agree themelinda, that many psychopathic individuals seem to be in leadership positions. It seems the only way to get elected is to be gifted at charming people and saying what they want to hear. Gladhanding. Individual politicians who stand on principal are smeared and get their heads handed to them. Vague and charming? That’s what Americans vote for. Arghh.

Delores

They are everywhere. They are estimated to make up 10% of the population. Fewer is better. I doubt we can create a psychopath free political party but we can try.

john hunt MD

philomela–the article is my responsibility and you should only be upset with me please. I am grateful that there is a willingness to allow speech of various viewpoints on this site.

Libertarianism is not simply a political ideology, although there are political components to it. You might have a common misunderstanding of libertarianism, otherwise you would not consider it not humane. It is the philosophy that involves no force and fraud, and most respects the human being as a worthy creature. Remember that socialism was the breeding ground for Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and others of the most severe sociopathic nature, because socialism requires that the people accept force as a means to accomplishing ends. Libertarianism does not.

One point in this article was to help defuse some of the profound misunderstandings (gaslighting?) that has placed libertarianism into some people’s minds as “inhumane” just because it DOES NOT force people to do things or live a certain way. Libertarians can be very generous, but they don’t force others to be generous. They don’t support forced welfare, but do support voluntary generosity/ true charity. That does not make them inhumane. That makes them respectful.

The other point of this article is to raise in people’s minds the potential significance of the infiltration of sociopaths and sociopathy (a trickle down sociopathic behavior in non-sociopaths) into the political controls of society.

In any event, we should all occasionally realize that what we choose to read and what we choose to believe may not all be truth. We need to be reflective and rational and appropriately skeptical, but without losing our trust that good people ARE out there, as well as knowing that bad people are too.

Primary victims of sociopaths know that they have been fooled into believing lies. What other lies are we fooled into believing? Socialism has led to more loss of life and human dignity than any other concept in the history of the world. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and their national socialist policies resulted in over a hundred million deaths and profound loss of human dignity. Libertarian Americanism brought the industrial revolution to the US, massive reduction in poverty worldwide, and the modern ability to have these conversations without too much fear of being punished by the all-powerful ruler as a subversive. This may not be what you have heard before. Many people have been taught in school and by the media (as one example) that fascism is the opposite of socialism. That is one example of a lie that too many believe. “Nazi” after all meant “National Socialism” and is certainly NOT the opposite of socialism.

Conversations should be ongoing about such important sociopathic influences on us all, so we can be better immunized to protect ourselves and our children.

20years

Imara, I used to view myself as a “bleeding heart liberal” and proud of it, as I thought that was the most generous and kind way to be, and it was what I had been taught (and also what got me into the position of being a vulnerable target to sociopaths).

As part of my learning journey, a friend sent me to The Political Compass website, it is not the be-all and end-all but it did get me thinking about the axis of power/control vs. freedom/autonomy, which is exactly the dynamic of the sociopath (power and control over others). I had been taught that politics is “left vs right” but seeing this way, on an axis, really opened my eyes to some new viewpoints. When I took the test, I was astonished to see that I fell more in the “libertarian” part of the graph. While that offended me (!!!) because of what I had been led to believe about libertarianism, it also intrigued me enough to lead me to research further.

Along the way to where I find myself now (politically unaffiliated and independent), I felt the need to “identify as” something. So identifying as libertarian was temporary and tentative, but it did help me break with the left-right paradigm which I discovered to be false and misleading.

There are many more viewpoints out there, than conservative vs. liberal (as but one example) and you will find that there are many humane and generous viewpoints as well.

Since my experiences with a spath ex-husband, I am becoming more and more freedom loving and respectful of individual choice in most every matter, so long as it does not hurt anyone else. I abhor power and control over others, in ANY form, including socialism. I have no wish to control others, nor would I want them to control me. Is this “anarchy?” no, but that is another political term worth truly understanding — what it IS. And what it is NOT.

These “isms” are fascinating, once you start delving into them. I predict you will be truly astonished to discover how far the wool has been pulled over your (and most everyone’s) eyes all this time.

20years

I am very interested to see this type of article on Lovefraud, and I don’t post often, but I am motivated to share my views on why. First, I understand why this topic (and the comment section) might offend some Lovefraud readers. Offending people is a very interesting topic in and of itself (the phenomenon of “taking offense” and what that tells us about ourselves).

My own experience with my spath ex-husband took place many years ago, and I have gone through a long process of healing from it, learning lessons from it, evolving, changing my views (sometimes 180 degrees), being challenged by coming into contact with new sociopaths, absorbing the lessons from those interactions, and taking some of those lessons learned and applying them to my wider world view.

That is where “politics” comes into it. And why I find this article interesting and appropriate. Although, I would say, I once would not have found it appropriate, and I once would have turned away from it, feeling kind of offended. So, to those Lovefraud readers who have that response, I suggest skipping this article, as it is not intended for you. We are all at different levels of healing and awareness. One reason I have not been on Lovefraud as much recently, is that I have done quite a bit of healing and evolving and am just in a different place. And have found not as much here that resonates with where I am at now (though of course the articles continue to resonate with where I was, when I was going through the spath experience). I love this website and all of the contributors. It helped me greatly.

After learning so much about sociopaths from my own, intimate experience, it was a natural (though surprising to me) evolution to apply those lessons learned to the sociopaths in society, including our World Leaders. There are some ugly truths to be learned, if a person is open-minded and curious and discerning. Beware though: it is like turning over a rock, and you find stuff under there you might wish you hadn’t seen.

I am just saying that, I spent considerable time several years ago really focusing intently on my own relationship with the spath, working at understanding the dynamics of it from as many angles as possible. It was personal. But once I finally got that figured out, it opened my eyes wide and — not that I could “see” spaths everywhere I looked — but with my knew knowledge, I was much more able to take the blinders off and see the world for what it actually is.

However, until I had my own intimate spath experience, I was one of the trusting, blind people who believed that everyone has some good in them (etc. etc.) and applied that to the entire world. I used to view our world leaders as benevolent and working for the people. I have since learned otherwise.

It became impossible for me to finally accept that my husband did NOT have this “good inside him” and then not be able to extrapolate that to the world. The cognitive dissonance was too obvious. I knew that feeling too well. It is shocking to learn that we have also been betrayed by our world leaders, but it is true and it was much more pleasant to believe otherwise for the first 45 years of my life, but once your eyes have been opened, you cannot close them.

So I can no longer find articles like this “offensive” because while they are one person’s opinion (politically speaking), I can tell that this author does see quite a lot of what is going on in the world. I do not have to agree 100% with all of his conclusions. And I think it is important information. Scary information. But it is one more step along the path of seeing things clearly.

So thank you for posting this. Please do not remove it. Try not to be offended by it, but just try to understand where the author is coming from. Try to be open minded. Ponder what it means to be offended… and that is just a “hint” because I surely did not get that lesson very easily. It took me years and years of pondering and thinking deeply and trying, and finally it dawned on me and I was able to move another step forward along my path. But I will emphasize that I could not learn this lesson until I was ready to — until I had done the preparatory work. Until that point, this info would not have been intended for me. I could not comprehend it. And I might have been offended by it.

Blessings to all of you in your journeys. I am still of course on my own, still with lots to learn (I hope).

Delores

20 years, so glad you posted. I could be named 40 years and I sometimes wish I had never looked under that rock. But once you do there is no going back. Just like with realizing sociopaths exist the first time shakes your life, realizing they are in positions of high power and seeing it is a life changing event. Snakes in Suits is a great book on the topic and it is free to download at: http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/48055117399/snakesinsuits

I have become an activist on exposing The obama/ clinton psychopathy and treason but so many eyes are blind to it.

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

20years
I appreciate your post, esp your next to last paragraph, “try to understand where the author is coming from… ponder what it means to be offended.”

Rape offends me. Pedophilia offends me. A cheating husband offends me. Ridicule of sociopaths/minions victims offends me. The smear campaign offends me. Parental Alienation offends me. Bigotry offends me.

When people lump a whole group of others into one definition and then condemns them, esp based on UNTRUE smearing and biases, that offends me. It’s picking individuals and sorting them in this group or that, and then condemning them, not on who they actually are, but based on a formula… that’s persecution based on OPINION. That’s what happened to the Jews in WWII. and to certain skin color by the KKK/Supremacists. They use their judgment of whole groups of people as their excuse to hate and act on their hate.

I hope Donna does not remove this article. I think it serves a powerful lesson for LF, to discern what is offensive. EVIL is offensive. People who chose a different diet, a different church, different sexual partners, different political parties, etc. are NOT offensive. They are NOT equal to EVIL SOCIOPATHS.

Sociopaths are the EVIL ones and that’s what matters to me here on LF.

Delores

I am loving the understanding and compassion here involved with the axis of evil, psychopathy. We who once knew no evil came to know it and understand it in a very painful way, bu being a target. Psychopathy when not doing evil can be seen as either charming, superficial or pathetic. But the evil will be done based on the nature of the psychopathic mind which is different than a normal mind. It is missing empathy, compassion and an ability to love. Psychopaths can range in intelligence just as the rest of us but they cannot use that intelligence in a productive way because they are never being but just mimicking. They can appear charming, honest, upstanding but they have no concept of what that means. In reality, they use lies, deceit, manipulation to get power over other people, money or positions of power. They really do not care about other people, they just want to suck them dry and dispose of them. We need to get every one out of power before we can have what our founding fathers gave us and they took away, simply life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Dr Hunt,
Since we seem to be speaking in absolutes in terms of your personal political viewpoint: libertarian = amassing personal wealth whenever possible, and an ‘I’ve got mine, screw you’ attitude towards society’s most vulnerable members. We cannot call our selves civilized if we step on the backs of our weakest in our quest to reach the top of the wealth heap. That said, all political parties have their share of sociopaths; they can be found across every stratum of society, from our poorest to our wealthiest. They are CEO’s, airline pilots, bank presidents, teachers, law enforcers, haircutters, garbage collectors, and so on. No political party can proclaim to be ‘sociopath free’. This is not a forum to advocate any political party.

john hunt MD

mustard55, I am certain you are right about sociopaths being found across all stratum of society.

I meant to advocate a philosophy, not a party. I would like to point out again that the libertarian philosophy has nothing to do with (from your note above) “amassing personal wealth whenever possible and I’ve got mine, screw you attitude towards society’s most vulnerable members.” If you examine libertarianism, you will see that sort of description is very misleading and inaccurate. I would ask you to investigate a bit more, because to me it seems you are spreading a mistruth that is used to demonize libertarians. One wonders who created such a mistruth, and why they did… Perhaps those most threatened by libertarians? –the sociopaths?

More accurately, libertarian philosophy can be described as tolerant of all points of view and all lifestyles and all choices as long as they don’t involve forcing or defrauding others into abiding by those lifestyles, choices etc too. Freedom to choose how and with whom one wants to live, and how one wants to live, entirely unaffected by the force and fraud of others, is a libertarian goal that is of course hard to reach when the philosophy is mischaracterized by those who oppose the philosophy (the controllers).

I hesitantly give an example: I am a libertarian whose job is running a non-profit in Liberia, West Africa, helping children get health care and education. It would be a gross mischaracterization to describe me in such terms as you have described libertarians. I use this example to humbly suggest you analyse where your information about libertarianism has been garnered. I’m quite sure you have a false viewpoint, the spreading of which may be a disservice to the people who most need to consistently hear verifiable truths.

We are all victims of the mistruths out there. My exposure to sociopathy has taught me much that I didn’t suspect about why the world works (or fails to work), why poverty exists, why wars happen, and for that I suppose I am strangely grateful to the s’path that with intense and blatant fraud intruded into the life of my family.

Delores

You are correct. Do not forget lawyers, doctors ministers and judges. Psychopaths seek out jobs where they can hide their callous corruption behind a career path. Politicians have become the top of the pile. A third party is necessary because the two dominant parties are so corrupt trying to change them is futile. Libertarians are at least trying to clean up our corrupt government as was the Tea Party before it was purportedly taken over by the radical religious right and then vilified into extinction by democrats. The status quo means defeat for all of us.

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

agreed Delores. The status quo means defeat for all of us.

philomela

Dr. Hunt,
With all due respect. the term “libertarian” has become in common language to refer to a specific political ideology and political party. I am very aware of the history of both the libertarian philosophy aside from its current political meaning and reference to a political party.

Further, I do not have a problem with people posting views I may disagree with. Nor do I wish to silence anyone from expressing their point of view or experience. However, I believe that there are appropriate forums for expressing certain things. This site is about psychopathy/sociopathy, and while I agree that we have both a political and economic reality inthis country which has become increasingly supportive of and accepting of a narcisstic or psychopathic kind of functioning, my reading of your article is that it is political and not simply philosophical, and that even your explanation is a back handed manipulative approach to promoting a political position (as the election cycle is beginning) in the guise of writing about sociopathy whether individual or systemic.

So, my point is that regardless of whether I agree or disagree with your political views, I think that there are other, and more appropriate forums to have a political discussion, and I am extremely upset to see this site manipulated into a political forum, when most of us who come here do so in search of healing and information and not to be proseltyzed to, or to have political debates.
As for your feeble attempts to insult me, question my knowledge, and call me a sociopath for voicing my objection to your article on this site, they simply reinforce my original impression and objection to your article on this site.

By the way, I see you use the heading “Dr.” to reinforce your credibility as a writer on this site. So i would like to ask you what kind of doctor you are, and what your credentials are.

Philomela

Delores

I see you were offended by mention of the Libertarian Party. But when psychopaths are in charge of our government using their psychopathic charming fake veneers to glean votes and then lie, cheat, manipulate, commit treason and ignore the Constitution they have taken an oath to support, is it not rationally sound to discuss it here on a forum about psychopathy. Americans as in “we, the people” need to unite to stop allowing both major political parties to destroy our American freedom and way of life. Both parties promise good things and deliver more taxes, more regulations, more government agencies, more control over the people. That is exactly what psychopaths do. I was married to one who was a lawyer. It would be difficult to be a lawyer without being a psychopath. It would be almost impossible to be a politician in either major party without being a psychopath. Libertarian is yet to be so defined. The Tea Party which was not even a party but a movement named after “The Boston Tea Party” that began the revolution was vilified out of existence by both major parties. So let’s not call it talking political parties but political psychopathy. Forget George Bush, Bill Clinton, psychopaths and cowards both. What we need to do is reclaim our Constitution from all of the treasonous corrupt psychopaths on Capital Hill. That is the foundation of the Libertarian Party I believe. If not, call it the Constitutional Party, The American Party, a name is just a name. The cause is critical to keeping our freedom.

john hunt MD

Hi Philomela,
I noted my pediatric specialty by my name in the posting so as to not accidentally be considered to have any particular psychological expertise with sociopathy beyond the same sort of challenging experiences others on this site have dealt with, plus maybe a bit of understanding gleaned by being a pediatrician. I’ve been reading this site for years and have been influenced and helped by the comments of many people. I probably have a bit more expertise in classical liberal (libertarian) thought than some, but judging from the comments on this site, there are others here too who are educated in classical liberal philosophy.

Please accept my apology that my analysis presented above has not been helpful to you. I have sought to understand why the system so often fails to help the victims of sociopaths, and indeed often protects the sociopaths from consequences of their actions. I presented what I believe to be one important reason for this failure of what should be healthy societal function. Although not helpful to you, I believe that this discussion of why broader society enables sociopathy might be helpful to at least some people struggling to understand why society fails to work correctly to resolve injustice. That my presentation has not resonated with you is clear. I don’t recognize in my words why you might think I feebly attempted to insult you or insinuate you were a sociopath. Such things did not even cross my mind. But that may represent a failure of this form of communication. Again, what I write is my responsibility, and I do take responsibility for it. Please do not hold anyone else or this site to blame.

I wish you the best.

liferaft2

philomela,
You almost make my hair stand on end!
I have re-read Dr. Hunt’s response to your comments above and I must defend him…for I can’t find the slightest trace of what you have accused him of! There is simply NOTHING AT ALL that could rightly be described as “back handed”, “manipulative”, “insulting” or “feeble”.
There, I said it. I didn’t want to get involved but hey, the world might explode around us, and I can’t let such distortions stand…can’t bear to witness another good person and another honest thinker get smeared, yet again!

philomela

Dr. Hunt,
I just looked above and see that you are an MD. What is your speciality? where did you study? what particular expertise do you have /

Philomela – Dr. Hunt’s specialty is listed right under his article. He is a pediatric lung physician. He also posted in a comment that he is running a nonprofit in Liberia, West Africa, helping children get health care.

Dr. Hunt submitted the article to me and I posted it. I believe it is important for all Lovefraud readers to recognize that sociopaths are everywhere. Although this website is primarily about sociopaths in romantic relationships, we also post about sociopaths in the workplace, in extended families, and yes – in government.

I believe Dr. Hunt’s article is thought-provoking and I am very glad that he sent it to Lovefraud.

philomela

i just read your post that you must have posted while i was writing my questions above. most of my questions . i think most of my questions were answered in that post. in spite of your answers, i think you are wrong on many levels both about the appropriateness of your post on this site and on your views regarding what it means to be a libertarian. i respect your right ti have and voice your political views, however wrong and misguided i may feel they are and no matter how vehemently I may disagree with them. however, i believe that doing so here is a serious misuse of this forum. So, i would like to respectfully request that you remove your post.

thank you,
Philomela

philomela

Imara, I am really appreciating your comments!
Philomela

Delores

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for writing and publishing this, John Hunt and Donna Anderson.

I am a Libertarian. I was at the first Tea Party march in DC before the Tea Party was vilified and taken over by the radical religious right. Oh, yes there is psychopathy on The Hill. Be it Liberal or Conservative, be it Republican or Democrat, be in administrative, executive or legislative psychopathy abounds. We, the people are being targeted by a band of power hungry psychopaths. They all have the same goal and that is to remain in power and as the obama said, “substantially change America.” They want to destroy our freedom and created a superior class for themselves. Being psychopaths, they have no concept other than acquiring more power, more money, more votes, more anything regardless of the cost to others. Psychopaths enjoy hurting others so these guys have a win win situation going. They have almost won with the divide and conquer ploys to divide by race, religion or whatever so the people argue over non-issues while they pocket the spoils. They have lied and manipulated to the point of confusing people about not only what they represent but what is right and wrong. People no longer even know these are our representatives, not our Kings and Queens. We are at the point that many do not know who or what to vote for and votes can be purchased with a free cell phone. Treasonous crimes are being committed and lied away in the name of “transparency” which is 180 degrees from what it is supposed to mean.

If patriots and Americans of all races, creeds and political ideology do not join together against this political conspiracy to destroy our Constitutional Democratic Republic soon, we will lose it all. There will be no more freedom, no more freebies, no more choices. We will be told what to do and when and how to do it or else. There will be no need to argue about abortion rights, gay rights, religious rights, civil rights, they will all be gone. We must open the eyes of the blind who cannot see that both Republicans and Democrats are corrupt. Many are psychopaths, others perhaps just minions but we, the people must save our freedoms now or they will be gone from the earth forever.

philomela

i think this same article could have been written very well and much more effectively in getting people to think about the problems of sociopaths in government, and would not be so alienating and contentious if it did not include the touting of one political party or ideology over another. i find this very devisive and i feel that the way this article promotes libertarianism is to insult the knowledge, intelligence and, integrity of those who may believe that liberterianism (as its policies are in our political system and economy) may be the worst of all solutions, or may simply disagree. i agree that there are many sociopaths in our government in all the political parties. what i am objecting to is the the writing of this as a libertarian political platform, and the not s8 subtle implications through oyt the post, that those who may disagree are somehow, sociopaths. i believe that such things on this site, negatively affect the credibility of the site as an education tool or reference on sociopathy.

i have recommended this site to many people in order to help educate them about sociopathy and have generally found the articles and posts thoughtful, insightful and measured and even those posts more focused on christianity or spirituality, in general do not insult or accuse those whose beliefs or path may be different. i cannot say the same about this article.I feel strongly s inclusion on LF will make me think twice about referring people to this site as a reputable, first and primary resource on sociopathy education. I think it is unfortunate to have such a valuable site discredit itself. i have been on this site for more thanb5 years and have never felt such a string negative reaction to anything posted here. it makes me very sad.

philomela

please excuse my typos in my comments. i am typing on a tiny phone and find it hard to correct them on here.

20years

I had to go back and re-read Dr. Hunt’s article since there are some different impressions of it in the comments. Upon re-reading it, I continue to think it is a very important and very well written article. It delves more deeply than is typically done, into the commonalities between interpersonal relationships with spaths, and what we as a society experience, with a sociopathic government system. The article does a great job of distinguishing between political viewpoints and philosophical viewpoints, although this is difficult to do, because unfortunately our society has a taboo against speaking about political ideas. I find that very interesting. I’m not saying that we Americans don’t talk politics, but I am saying that it isn’t usually considered polite, so a lot of people shy away from it or take offense. Well, I have a thought about that. Perhaps we have been trained to think that way, and if more of us would be less afraid to speak up and say that the emperor has no clothes, we might be further along at this point in understanding that we (the people) are very much in a sociopathic situation, where we are being lied to and controlled (though deception). It may be rude to point that out, but it is the truth.

I am drawing parallels in my mind between how hard it is to speak up and speak out against tyranny — and how hard it is to articulate to others about our relationships with spaths. So many of us have had the experience of not being believed, because they believed the spath’s lies instead, that we were the crazy ones, and the spaths seemed so calm and together.

So… couldn’t it be also true, that we are in this situation, where no, our government actually is overrun and controlled by spaths, but no one says much of anything about it. Afraid to believe it. Afraid to say it. Not knowing if we would be criticized or ostracized for speaking up. If we would “offend” people by speaking up. Being told we are being too “political” and therefore we should keep these views to ourselves, or go find a different forum.

Think about it.

philomela

i think we are all agreeing that the government is full of Spaths. we are disagreeing on the solution..
i would say that i am a socialist economically, who is also a firm believer in the democratic process. i understand the history id=f libertarianism quite well. But i think it is often forgotten that the founders of this country were not against taxation. they were against taxation without representation. we also forget that in the good old many of the great fortunes made were predicated on great crimes an inhumanities, and how recent many of the laws are that give even some of the most basic economic rights to women. i think labor laws, laws against polluting, regulation of banks, laws against child labor, laws against beating one’s wife, etc …. are good things. i think medical care, child care, food and housing, in a first world country, should be a human right. I believe that our view of what constitutes economic contribution tis skewed to a white male power elite view.I believe that history has shown that we cannot simply relt on hoping for good will and conscience to ensure the well being of others. all contribute to the ability of the whole e to create wealth and stability, we just have a habit of having a very narrow view . hese are all beliefs OPPOSITE to a Libertarian view…..so under your definition I guess i would be a sociopath. however, i do not meet any of the criteria on t he sociopath checklist. the opposite of a sociopath IS NoT a libertarian, the opposite of a sociopath is an Empath. Just a note: i also believe that any decision about one’s own sexuality, body, religion, etc . is not the purpose of government unless your actions do harm to others. I also believe in free speech short of yelling “fire” in a crowded theater. Just because i am opposed to the platform of the Libertarian party, and in fact consider my views to be almost the polar opposite of the libertarian political platform, i do not believe that makes me a spath, nor would i ever say or imply that (despite my passionate disagreement with what your views seem to be), would i ever imply that this on its face makes you spath. i simply disagree with you. what does bother me is your implication that anyone who doesn’t believe as you do is misinformed, uneducated, not thoughtful And/or a spath. i find that aspect of your article highly offensive and highly suspect. i guess i will stop here since ibthunk i have explained my perspective as well as i can, and already given this more attention than it deserves, and if i am speaking to someone who has no real interest in hearing or considering my point of view, i am wasting my time.

john hunt MD

Philomela,

You have made a good comment in saying the opposite of a sociopath is an empath. From an emotional and interpersonal point of view, on first thought it seems you are very right. My article was limited to a moral philosophy, although I certainly failed to make that clear in my title for which I again apologize. I do not consider that libertarians have any sort of monopoly or special talent in regards to empathy.

In regard to the moral philosophy, however, there is a large spectrum, no doubt, between textbook sociopath on the one side and libertarian on the opposite side. There is plenty of room for moral differences of degree without fitting criteria for sociopathy. So there is no suggestion that if one is not a libertarian, one must be a sociopath. Not at all. However, if one seeks to distance oneself from the disease of the all-too-sneaky sociopaths, education in libertarianism is a very strong medicine.

A discussion about “socialism” (what I might call compulsory obedience to whatever the politically powerful decide might be the “greater good”), or about what you might mean by “democracy” (and what I might call tyranny of the majority), and what define “rights” and the difference between natural laws of humanity vs. civil laws of politicians, all are far beyond our scope tonight, yet can occasionally be fruitful conversations to have.

I hope you take solace knowing that the libertarian will not ever force his or her manner of living on you.

Anyhow, please live however you wish (as long as you harm no one), and I do hope you prosper!

Imara

Thank You for voicing a lot of my opinions Philomela!!
John I do believe that most people of conscience do understand the concept of what constitutes greater good.

john hunt MD

Imara, people of conscience might well understand their personal concept of greater good, although “greater good” is greatly dependent on what values one holds dear, and it varies from person to person. Some people value liberty, some value security, some value production, some value jobs, some value vacation, some value respect for authority, some value equality of opportunity, some value equality of outcome. That’s a lot of opportunity to provide radically different greater goods depending on how one prioritizes the various goods.

The question is, are the people who seek and obtain political power, and therefore are in the position to enact their particular versions of the greater good, more likely to be people of conscience? Or more likely to be sociopaths?

Imara

John, I really do wish that I could really participate in this discussion with more time and energy….I’m a volunteer for the Red Cross and have been putting in long hours with the floods in Texas.
That said I agree that the ‘greater good’ is dependent on value systems. However these value systems are not dictated by individuals but by the collective societal mores and norms. Sociopathic infiltration is inevitable in any group dynamic where there is the possibility to operate in order to gain control, power and positions of influence. These disordered people disrupt the harmonious societal operation. This seems to exist no matter which form of governance is in use.
My belief is that public education on the benefits of cooperative governance starting at grass root level may be one way to combat political predation.
I do also believe that we need a come back of good old fashioned shame. To answer your last question I do believe in the capacity for altruism. So there are some (fewer and rarer now due to many many reasons)who seek political platforms to enhance quality of life for fellow citizens. I find them more in smaller community elections than on state or national platforms.
ASPD label itself tells us that no matter what ideology we subscribe to disordered anti societal predators will lurk. Our best defense may be to circle the wagons and learn to distance our societal communal selves from people who break moral and ethical laws.

philomela

John,
i do not think you understand, socialism, perhaps you are confusing it with communism and fascism (socialism being an economic system rather than as capitalusm is an economic system). one can have a democracy, or to guard against “tyranny of the majority” , a republic as the us is and as our constitution provides in order to guard against the “tyranny” of the majority.” i personnally find any tyranny to be a problem, at 5hat includes the tyranny of the strong over the weak, the priveleged over the less priveleged,

john hunt MD

I agree, tyranny is bad in all its forms. You may have some libertarianism in you. Please don’t take that as a taunt or insult.

I may not understand socialism in precisely the same way as you do, philomela. In socialism, government controls the means of production and distribution, right? That’s the textbook definition. Of course the next question becomes: who controls the government? And do you trust them with such awesome power? We have had a long run of politicians who do not seem to me to be worthy of transferring our rights to.

What is the fix to keep sociopaths out of political power?

You keep them out by requiring candidates take the Hare Index, administered by a trained professional. The candidate has to agree to have the results published. They have a tantrum but they generally go away.

Libertarianism as a philosophy sounds entirely reasonable and if practiced at the local level can work well because when people know and care about each other normal people can see how it works. But psychopaths are attracted to power and any organization of any kind will become infected by them if you do not have a structure which allows people to know each other well and prove themselves BEFORE they are trusted with valuable assets of any kind. The same is true for the Elks, which handles this issue by only advancing people at the National level who have decades of time invested and are well known to many, many members.

The LP barely extracted themselves by an almost immediate takeover by the Kochs in 1979 at the National Convention in Los Angeles. It never recovered.

Only the most localized governance works. – Melinda

20years

Philomela and John, these are difficult concepts to talk about. Some of us have been exposed to them in school and some have studied on our own, and some have little exposure. What I’m saying is, the terms used by us may stand for different things, so arguments can arise.

All I hope to throw into this mix is the website I have found very helpful in elevating my awareness of political ideology and moral philosophy — that is the website The Political Compass (I mentioned this in another comment). It came to my mind when I read your article, because your contention that Libertarianism is the opposite of Sociopathy did align with the “y” axis (or social dimension) on the Political Compass site, whereby one end of the axis is “Authoritarianism” (or total power/control over people; fascism) and the other end of the axis is “Libertarianism” (or, anarchism). The “x” axis (or economic dimension) is the more familiar “left” or “right”). And so, socialism would fall into the upper left quadrant of power/control over people, and on the far right, is less concern with humanity as a whole.

If this sounds complicated, it is. I am more in favor of reaching a common language about it and having discussions for the purpose of our growth in understanding, rather than criticizing or offending or being offended. This is just one way of looking at it, a way that was helpful to me.

To see the “y” axis as having to do with power/control OVER people (the sociopathy axis) and at the other end of that axis, the individual retains control over his/her life. And the “x” axis has to do with groups of people, rather than individual people (for instance, do we help “the poor” through social programs and taxation of others, or do we leave them alone and trickle down some benefits because the free market works to our advantage too).

Of interest to me in this discussion is that the word “Libertarian” is used in two places on the Political Compass — it is used at the bottom of the “y” axis (opposite of Authoritarian) and at the far right of the “x” axis (Libertarianism as being opposite of Communism).

There is a wide spectrum of where a “Libertarian” could fall, either left or right, and closer to the “x” axis, or closer to “anarchy.”

So I do not view “Libertarians” as anything other than being against power and control over other people in their philosophy. Some are in favor of social programs and devote their lives to helping the less fortunate. And some are more individualistic and have a “live and let live” philosophy.

Imara

YES!!!

john hunt MD

Many people would find they align themselves with libertarianism primarily, if they were willing to overcome false propaganda, and examine it themselves along with the various other philosophies.

One comment to 20years– Thanks for the information on the Political Compass website. Note that the words are often changed, rather intentionally and subversively. Words are a means of control and manipulation, of course.

For example, the world “liberal” initially developed from the French and Scottish Enlightenment liberals–a philosophy focused on individual freedom and limited government, what is now called “libertarian”. The word “libertarian” was invented because the word “liberal” had been intentionally hijacked in the United States and became a statist term economically, meaning the opposite of free (economically–although it maintains much of its originally meaning socially). Strangely, “liberal” when referring to former soviet blocks countries meant “more free” and “conservative” meant “more socialism”, while “liberal” in the US means “more socialism” and conservative means–well I don’t know what that means anymore. Conservative use to mean “slow to change”. Now the conservatives generally want radical economic change (back to more economic liberty), while not wanting social change like gay marriage. The term conservative is in flux. The term “neoconservative” was another successful attempt at word hijacking, accomplished very intentionally by the Fabian socialists, from which neoconservatism developed.

Then what about “anarchy”? We are taught in school that anarchy means the absence of law, or the absence of rules. Of course that is not correct. Anarchy does not mean the absence of rules, it means the absence of RULERS. Monarchy= one ruler. Oligarchy = several rulers. Anarchy= no rulers.

When considering sociopaths and their drives for power, government is a huge feast for them. Especially governments unrestrained by strict constitutions. Yet anarchy may not sustain long because sociopaths would try to become rulers. If there were no sociopaths to maneuver their way into control, anarchy might be more sustainable, or if those sociopaths who maneuvered themselves into power were immediately refused by an educated populace fully aware of sociopathy and self-empowered to defend themselves against them, then anarchy might be sustainable. But that situation is a long way off.

Government’s role should be to prevent and punish the committers of force and fraud whether they be outright sociopaths, or just behaving with sociopathic characteristics. Sociopaths should FEAR government. Unfortunately, government is the now the primary committer of force and fraud, and a perfectly comfortable and nourishing home for sociopaths. Rarely does government punish sociopaths, and commonly it rewards them.

The question then becomes, how do we disempower sociopaths? Education, such as emerges from this site, is essential. But to me, it also means disempowering the governments and those within the governments when they behave sociopathically. And the politicians least likely to be sociopaths are, by my reasoning, the true, well tested, long time proven libertarians from whatever party they happen to align themselves with.

Testing all politicians to determine if they are sociopaths is an intriguing idea. Someone need to test the testers of course, and the testers of the testers, for the sociopaths will find their way to mess with that system, label the testing a “witch hunt” and other verbal methods to try to prevent such testing. But I like the idea. Perhaps I should never support anyone who runs for political office unless he /she has undertaken an acceptable test for sociopathy and shown us the results. Their political opponents and the media however would manipulate that headline. I can see the NY Times or MSNBC reporting “Rand Paul tested for sociopathy!” without bothering to emphasize any results (that I think would be normal). And the population would to a great extent not read past the headline. So I can see why politicians might refuse to be tested, even if they are not sociopaths.

Gosh we live in a tough world. It would be so much better if sociopaths simply disappeared altogether. There needs to be a book about that!

20years

I am solution-oriented, too. I keep zooming in for a closer look, then zooming out for a big picture view. In so doing, I am trying to hold many ideas in mind at once, but the goal is to move towards a solution of this problem of the sociopath (or, another way to put it as I sometimes do, the problem of human evil).

So I am trying to take what I have learned so far about sociopaths through my personal interactions with them, and how I went about solving some of the persistent difficulties I was having in dealing with them.

One of the difficulties I had was their strong motivation to have power over me and control me. But before I could deal with that, I needed to develop an accurate awareness of the dynamics, which can be so confusing due to the deception. As you say, “force and fraud.” That is hard to grasp at first. I had to learn the part I played in the dynamic. That too was very painful and hard to grasp.

So definitely I agree with you that education is going to be one of the very important first steps — building awareness in the general population about sociopathy, how it operates (in secret and through deception), and giving people the tools to recognize it, and the courage to speak up about and against it.

As you also point out so well, language is one of the tools that sociopaths use against us — defining terms for us, changing the meanings of terms. What can so easily happen is that people then misunderstand one another (sowing seeds of confusion), or get offended and are pitted against one another (sowing seeds of hatred). In the meantime, that is all a big distraction ploy, and the sociopath just sits back and WE DO THEIR WORK FOR THEM! So this is another area that really needs building awareness in. The well known book “1984” by George Orwell is a wonderful primer for how the sociopaths operate in government. Recommended reading and RE-reading for everyone! Then we will have a common language to discuss what is happening to us: “thought police,” “memory hole,” “newspeak,” “big brother,” “ignorance is strength,” etc.

I think that many of us who have had the intimate experience of betrayal by a sociopath (at the hands of a spouse, for example) are well positioned to grasp what is happening in the wider world, and we have been battle-hardened (given courage and strength) through having lived the experience and gaining wisdom from it…. we are some of those who can handle the horror of the dawning realization that “1984” is not just a piece of fiction.

But back to solutions. Education and awareness, first. Then, here is where I think what you are calling a Libertarian philosophy comes in, and why I think it is so very important. To me, you are talking about freedom vs. slavery. This is both individual freedom and group freedom. It is about living lives of integrity and love without subjugation. There are more of us, than there are of them, and we must never forget that. So, once we have the education/knowledge, as well as the understanding of the power of the individual and how that power works (this is subtle so you have to discover it for yourself), then we can solve this.

Remember, the sociopath plays to win. Their game is “I win, and you lose. That’s how I win.” The only way for us to win that game, is NOT TO PLAY.

That is a huge hint, and the reason I’m leaving it just as a hint, is because this (in my opinion) will not be solved by an organized group effort, but by the individual efforts of many (individual) people who have discovered for themselves and taken back their own power that the sociopath only convinced them (through deception) that they did not have. This power was never lost — it was just hidden from us.

There is currently an information war. If we recognize this, we can do our part to spread awareness and truth.

Another huge hint I will leave with everyone is to delve into and thoroughly understand codependency (boundaries). Many clues to be had there, in how to remove sociopaths from power.

john hunt MD

20years—wow. that was perfectly stated and I for one picked up on those important hints! Don’t play!

20years

Your question, “how do we disempower sociopaths (particularly the ones in government)?”

In my opinion, the solution lies in empowering the individual. There are MANY reasons for this.

One reason is that, as several others have pointed out, sociopaths will ALWAYS try to infiltrate and disrupt “groups.” However, they cannot control a population of empowered and aware individuals, acting on their own, yet towards a common goal.

The internet has proved to be an unexpectedly important tool in this individual empowerment. The sociopaths in charge realize this and are trying hard to subvert it, through the recent FCC action as well as other forms of censorship. They have long controlled the mainstream media, and it is such a joke now that people are turning away from it in droves, finding reliable alternatives (which sociopaths also work hard to infiltrate). It takes discernment. The good news is, anyone is possible of achieving discernment, with effort and determination. That is one aspect of the empowerment of the individual.

How do I know that individual empowerment is key? Because it is the process I moved through in my disentanglement from my own personal spath experience. It was a long process, a lot of determination and self education about the nature of spath motivation. And a lot of trial and error. I give “clues” because it is an individual journey and your mileage may vary. For me, learning about taking personal responsibility, learning about Bowen Theory (differentiation of self), learning about boundaries, were all very important. Another essential learning path for me was spiritual. So, over the ensuing years I’ve woven all of this together and have a pretty good (though still work in progress) understanding of how the world works, who and what the spaths are, and how to maintain focus and clarity, keeping self strong and intact, and lending assistance to others when asked for. My love and compassion for humanity has only increased, through living this at times very challenging life.

Blessings to all of you.

philomela

john,

there are many different types of socialism as the are many different kinds of libertarianism. here is a lust of some of thwm:
Democratic Socialism advocates Socialism as an economic principle (the means of production should be in the hands of ordinary working people), and democracy as a governing principle (political power should be in the hands of the people democratically through a co-operative commonwealth or republic). It attempts to bring about Socialism through peaceful democratic means as opposed to violent insurrection, and represents the reformist tradition of Socialism.
It is similar, but not necessarily identical (although the two terms are sometimes used interchangeably), to Social Democracy. This refers to an ideology that is more centrist and supports a broadly Capitalist system, with some social reforms (such as the welfare state), intended to make it more equitable and humane. Democratic Socialism, by contrast, implies an ideology that is more left-wing and supportive of a fully socialist system, established either by gradually reforming Capitalism from within, or by some form of revolutionary transformation.

Revolutionary Socialism advocates the need for fundamental social change through revolution or insurrection (rather than gradual refom) as a strategy to achieve a socialist society. The Third International, which was founded following the Russian Revolution of 1917, defined itself in terms of Revolutionary Socialism but also became widely identified with Communism. Trotskyism is the theory of Revolutionary Socialism as advocated by Leon Trotsky (1879 – 1940), declaring the need for an international proletarian revolution (rather than Stalin’s “socialism in one country”) and unwavering support for a true dictatorship of the proletariat based on democratic principles. Luxemburgism is another Revolutionary Socialist tradition, based on the writings of Rosa Luxemburg (1970 – 1919). It is similar to Trotskyism in its opposition to the Totalitarianism of Stalin, while simultaneously avoiding the reformist politics of modern Social Democracy.

Utopian Socialism is a term used to define the first currents of modern socialist thought in the first quarter of the 19th Century. In general, it was used by later socialist thinkers to describe early socialist, or quasi-socialist, intellectuals who created hypothetical visions of perfect egalitarian and communalist societies without actually concerning themselves with the manner in which these societies could be created or sustained. They rejected all political (and especially all revolutionary) action, and wished to attain their ends by peaceful means and small experiments, which more practical socialists like Karl Marx saw as necessarily doomed to failure. But the early theoretical work of people like Robert Owen (1771-1858), Charles Fourier (1772-1837) and Étienne Cabet (1788”“1856) gave much of the impetus to later socialist movements.

Libertarian Socialism aims to create a society without political, economic or social hierarchies, in which every person would have free, equal access to tools of information and production. This would be achieved through the abolition of authoritarian institutions and private property, so that direct control of the means of production and resources will be gained by the working class and society as a whole. Most Libertarian Socialists advocate abolishing the state altogether, in much the same way as Utopian Socialists and many varieties of Anarchism (including Social Anarchism, Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Collectivism and Anarcho-Syndicalism).

Market Socialism is a term used to define an economic system in which there is a market economy directed and guided by socialist planners, and where prices would be set through trial and error (making adjustments as shortages and surpluses occur) rather than relying on a free price mechanism. By contrast, a Socialist Market Economy, such as that practiced in the People’s Republic of China, in one where major industries are owned by state entities, but compete with each other within a pricing system set by the market and the state does not routinely intervene in the setting of prices.

Eco-Socialism (or Green Socialism or Socialist Ecology) is an ideology merging aspects of Marxism, Socialism, Green politics, ecology and the anti-globalization movement. They advocate the non-violent dismantling of Capitalism and the State, focusing on collective ownership of the means of production, in order to mitigate the social exclusion, poverty and environmental degradation brought about (as they see it) by the capitalist system, globalization and imperialism.

Christian Socialism generally refers to those on the Christian left whose politics are both Christian and socialist, and who see these two things as being interconnected. Christian socialists draw parallels between what some have characterized as the egalitarian and anti-establishment message of Jesus, and the messages of modern Socialists.

General | By Branch/Doctrine | By Historical Period | By Movement/School | By Individual Philosopher

© 2008 Luke Mastin

philomela

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

John,
the above is a link for libertarian socialism on wikipedia.
In my opinion, the many disagreements and misconceptions and misunderstandings about, and the cooptin of, the meaning of political, economic and philosophical terminology makes discussion using these terms in general set-up for misunderstanding and descension and devisiveness among people who may actually agree more than they disagree. this is exactly my objection to your article. i believe that you have some good points and observations about sociopaths in goverment and the misuse and abuse of power, however, your use of the political/philisophical term “libertarian” in this context, as political party elections and the primaries are heating up, is extremely offputting and misleading. one can use words to comunicate, one can also use words to obscure, limit, and control comunication. i do not know you, or know your intent. what i do know is my reading and understanding and perception of what you wrote, and i find the tone to be, coercive, controlling and dismissive of real discussion about this very serious problem of spaths in government and postions of power and the eroding freedoms and wellbeing of the larger society. you and i agree that this is a huge problem that is important to discuss and look at in sociopathy education, and in addressing tbhe horrors that exist in our world. i think that using a coopted term such as “libertarian” as being the opposite to sociopathy, is insulting to those of us who may feel that the common use of the term “libertarian” is the promotion of a dog eat dog, tyranny of the privileged, lack of any colective social responsibility, etc. whic i consider to be extremely sociopathic in aporoach to the world and to others.

i hame having real trouble trying to write on this tiny phone, so 7 may have to stop here. i do think that perhaps we have come at least a little closer to some understanding and that is a good thing.

Philomela

AnonymosaFurtivo

Libertarianism is based on the Non Aggression Principle, that no one has the right to initiate force against another. If you read about this you will understand why the author’s message is so important. Governments use force against people to achieve desired goals. Problem is sociopaths are master manipulators and deceivers and have people like you convinced that the “public good” is being served when force is used in the form of laws, regulations, and taxes. War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Terror all sound like such noble pursuits. All regulations have unintended consequences but many are deliberate scams against citizens in order to further the deviant interests of a powerful few sociopaths. Do you really think it is just greed and incompetence behind these endless wars and the Federal Reserve inflating our currency so that we are facing a collapse of the US dollar, destruction of the middle class here in the US and World War 3? These people aren’t stupid. They are sociopaths and when government can use FORCE against citizens sociopaths will seek out those positions of power to make life hell for the rest of us, the 99%!

AnonymosaFurtivo

Libertarianism is based on the Non Aggression Principle, that no one has the right to initiate force against another. If you read about this you will understand why the author’s message is so important. Governments use force against people to achieve desired goals. Problem is sociopaths are master manipulators and deceivers and have people like you convinced that the “public good” is being served when force is used in the form of laws, regulations, and taxes. War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Terror all sound like such noble pursuits. All regulations have unintended consequences but many are deliberate scams against citizens in order to further the deviant interests of a powerful few sociopaths. Do you really think it is just greed and incompetence behind these endless wars and the Federal Reserve inflating our currency so that we are facing a collapse of the US dollar, destruction of the middle class here in the US and World War 3? These people aren’t stupid. They are sociopaths and when government can use FORCE against citizens sociopaths will seek out those positions of power to make life hell for the rest of us, the 99%!

john hunt MD

Thank you Philomela. I read the entire article that you posted the link to. It is long! There is so much complexity in the world of political and economic philosophy. The consistent component of libertarianism still remains the lack of coercion (via outright force, threats of force, or fraud). Libertarian socialism is accomplished through voluntarism, and although I do not agree that socialism is the way to defeat poverty or increase human dignity, I have no objection to people undertaking voluntary socialism. We do it in small ways all the time: cooperation, family, small companies, etc. But voluntariness is the key.

As for my tone being “coercive, controlling, and dismissive”, I find it hard to see anything in what I wrote to be either coercive or controlling. Dismissive? That I have to admit to a tendency toward. I tend to dismiss arguments and arguers that don’t bother to try to persuade, but instead immediately move to compulsion for the “greater good” or for any purpose at all, or who bypass rationality, or entirely ignore the dignity of any human. I am trying to work on that dismissiveness.

Coercion though? Controlling? No. Simply no. It’s not there in my words nor in my intent. That you see my words as coercive when there is no force involved or incorporated into them might supply cause to self-reflect, for both you and me. I will simply state that I fail to see any such thing in my words or intent.

How about manipulative? Am I trying to manipulate? Well, that is a way to describe what I write, although the term carries a negative tone that does not apply when examining the situation from a moral grounding. In my various writings, I do try to find ways to get past, through, or around the walls of denial and defensiveness that prevent truths from being seen by victims of sociopaths, for the defensiveness, denials and self-lies are the traits within the victim that sociopaths use for control. Sociopaths seek those traits as they choose their victims. Those traits are traitors to the person who has them. It is interesting that the same traitorous traits are also used by (other) non-human actors, such as alcoholism, where denial and defensiveness are central to the disease, and profoundly self-destructive. Right now in our world, we have an abundance of self-deceit, inculcated into us by propaganda and schooling and systemic gas-lighting, and other strange forces, and these self-lies are used against us by those who control the government, many of whom, you and I agree, are sociopaths. So do I try to find a way through the denial and defensiveness in order to expose the emperor wearing no clothes? Yes. Do I do so for my own self interest? Partly, yes. Because when the self-lies inside of others end up supporting atrocities committed against me and my family, I want to prevent such atrocities if I can by exposing those self-lies. Is this effort often successful? Not at all. I have no delusions about how difficult it is to help a person, or myself, to overcome powerful ego-defenses in order to recognize the traitorous self-lies for what they are. Perhaps I am quixotic in my efforts to keep dueling those windmills, but the destruction caused by self-lies are so potent, that it still seems to me worth the effort, as challenging as it may be. It seems worthwhile to help pull victims away from their self-lies so that they can see the sociopath for what he, she or it is.

This all ties in so well to the way the sociopath controls the primary victim, through the primary victim’s own ability to lie to herself. It is a strong analogy to the manner in which the government controls the people, through our willingness to defend, adamantly and irrationally, against any threat to our self-delusion.

It takes YEARS AND YEARS of deprogramming to work through, just like alcoholism or drug abuse takes so long to recover from, for the same sort of self-deception and defensiveness is dominant there. You can watch for evidence of defensiveness in others. In the political (non-personal) realm, it is most evident in the turn of conversation when the self-deceit or internal contradiction is in danger of being exposed. Conversations end, suddenly and with insults thrown around, or a statement is made such as “let’s agree to disagree”, which is a fine statement as long as one party isn’t standing by with a government gun at the other party’s head to enforce his view despite the toss-off statement to agree to disagree.

Do I have defensiveness? Hell yes! Denial? Probably lots, but I am too in denial to see where it is, because it is denial, after all! I would bet we all have plenty of it, and it is all challenging for us. Do you have it? If you get angry in any way, or toward anybody, about even considering the possibility that you are in denial about this or that, then that is good evidence that you are likely in denial. The webs we weave in our lives are sure strong and sticky.

Among the positive things about surviving a sociopathic encounter is that overcoming self-deceit and denial is a huge part of recovery, and the ability to overcome them, and helping others to do so, can be a powerful tool for truth and good, as long as we recognize that there is patience needed in the process. There is a painful amount of self-deceit in the country right now, how could there not be when the people give their power to political sociopaths so readily, justified in so many silly ways? Sociopaths promote their irrational crap, and the people self-lie into thinking it is awesome, and when it doesn’t solve the problems, the people beg the sociopaths’ forgiveness for not allowing the sociopaths to do it they way they really wanted to, and then give them more power.

You can call us suckers, or you can call us victims, but there are enough of us mired in self-lies that there is collateral damage all over the place. We can’t fix sociopaths. We can, with love, patience, and gentleness, seek the self-deceit in ourselves that allows sociopaths to have power. Remember, sociopaths are cowardly, morally bankrupt liars. Charismatic narcissists. They are worthy of laughter, not of votes. The worst people in the planet to have in power are charismatic narcissists (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and many of our popular politicians). The best are charismatic and humble (Jesus, Ghandi come to mind immediately). What gets us to support the charismatic narcissists running for political office? Our ability to self-lie and self-justify, totally irrationally, while angrily and vociferously defending our self-lies against exposure to truth, these are our enemies in our personal interactions and in our political situation. These are our weaknesses that we need to admit to, humbly accept, and then overcome. It is the sociopath who is evil, not the victim. But we can’t fix the sociopath. We can just work on ourselves.

Sociopaths lie to others (commit force and fraud on others). Victims lie to themselves (defraud themselves). We can’t fix sociopaths. But we can disempower them in our lives and in the government by finding our self-deceit and revealing the naked emperor.

philomela

it is this part of #7 in the description of libertarianism in the article that i have a problem with.

They think marijuana should be legal. They do not think that anyone’s money should be stolen from them and given to another through the tax code. They don’t believe that forced giving is either charitable or moral, but rather “forced giving” is just a form of theft. They never support bailing out Wall Street, nor giving power to one group over another. They don’t ever lend government power to special interests (Special interests are the opposite of the “general welfare” of the Constitution). Libertarians think that government is supposed to work for the people, not people work for government. They are opposed to the NSA spying on American citizens. Libertarians like immigrants. They think that America is not a geographically imprisoned nation-state, but rather a philosophy that can be found all over the world. Libertarians want to put a wall around the welfare state, not a wall around the country. Many libertarians are highly charitable. Many libertarians righteously fight against anyone who uses force against them or defrauds them.”

i do not believe that taxing wealth or providing social and economic supports or attempting to lessen the obscene wealth gap, is theft or coercion. nor do i believe that social supports should be considered charity, the wellbeing of individuals should be considered a human right, and the wellbeing, health, education, etc of all in in all of our best interests. people don’t start out equal =-that is a convenient myth! not everyone has the same privelege, abilities, oportunuities or choices. we all benefit from the wellbeing and care of the whole. then ofvcourse there are little things like infrastructure that need to be maintainedvfor a productive society. the only taxation that is not regressive isincome tax and tax on wealth. if the corporations and the wealthy actually paid their fair share of taxes, we could provide many social supports and services. scarcity is a myth. blaming the less fortunate or the poor is a ploy to set the have nots, against have less in our society. if we keep having to fight over scraps for survival, the sociopaths will certainly win! i am generally agree with libertarians in my social liberalism, but economically i am a socialist. i believe that the means of production and wealth should be owned by the people, the workers, ourcsociety as a whole. however i do not believe that weakth and means of production should be cebtralized in the federal goverment. i belueve more in collectives,.i also do not believe that as stated in #5 that “the only job of government is to protect people from the force and fraud of others. ” unless that “force and fraud” refers to the lack of 3ecognition of inequality and privilege. for on e person to eat the whole pie, while another is starving is certainly aggression and force in my eyes. tp pretend that we all have equal opportunity if we just xwork f=hard enough, is certainly a fraud, and to pretend that wealth is created or mantained independantly of the larger whole is also fraud and aggression in that it allows for just the kind of victim blaming that most of us who have been targerted by a spath have encountered and had to fight against.

honestly, most people agree with the 7dea af ‘nonaggression’ the problem is that the libertarian economic views are actually quite aggressive and harmful to the wellbeing of the whole. i believe 4hat we are interdepedent and to pretend that this is not true is a lie and fraud and justification for lack of care.

20years

Philomela, the “obscene wealth gap” was CAUSED by theft and coercion (and deception). We have to go to the root of the problem in order to solve it.

The “wellbeing, health, education” of all is in all of our best interests, but here is a different take on that:

Wellbeing — how is that defined? Do you mean pursuit of happiness, life, liberty?

Health — how can society provide for the health of its members? Do we insist on “science-based,” government-approved methodologies forced upon everyone? Or should we allow individuals to choose alternative treatments without restriction? Should we force individuals to pay into a system they don’t believe in (conventional medicine) vast amounts more than they can afford, when by so doing, they lose the ability to afford to choose alternatives (organic fruits and vegetables, herbal and other alternative medicine not covered by the insurance they are forced to buy)? How does it serve the problem of the difficulties older people face in retaining their workforce jobs, when older people (who may be perfectly healthy INDIVIDUALS but considered statistically through GROUP affiliation to be less healthy!) may be charged up to three times as much as younger people for insurance? That is quite a discouragement all around!

Education — who gets to decide what we need to learn and know and think? What do credentials actually prove, with regard to intelligence and ability to do the work (which might in earlier days have been learned on the job) — whereas now we are saddled with crushing student loan debt through needing to get those letters after our names, and certifications, to even get a foot in the door for an interview? It’s a racket.

Both health and education are issues that directly pertain to employment and therefore the “need” for social services in the first place. If individuals can be empowered to take care of themselves (through accurate knowledge about health, about good health habits, basic care of the sick and minor injuries, and access to healthy food and inexpensive alternatives), we would not have these out of control health costs. Many basic illnesses and minor injuries could be taken care of at home, if we learned how and realized we could. Good health would be within reach of the vast majority of the population, and we as empowered individuals would not feel the fear and reliance on the medical industry. Our country does not provide “health” nor does it provide “education.” Those are two things that empowered individual provide themselves.

Increasing awareness of this deception will help solve some of society’s economic problems.

john hunt MD

Philomela–I want to take one section of your comment piece by piece, as a demonstration of how a libertarian mind tends to work

I will quote a few statements you made.

“i do not believe that taxing wealth or providing social and economic supports or attempting to lessen the obscene wealth gap, is theft or coercion.”

I suppose it depends on what wealth you tax. If the wealth was obtained through cronyism (political force and fraud) then taking it back can be justifiable, for it was illicitly gained property in the first place. But not all in the 1% obtained their wealth through cronyism. Some created wonderful things that we all benefit from, and I for one am grateful to them and have no desire to steal from them. But I am with you, Philomela, let’s talk about instituting a 100% tax on wealth obtained by cronyism. Cronyism is a huge component of the wealth gap. The other main component being the fiat currency counterfeited by the Federal Reserve (but that takes a LONG TIME to get a head around!)

“nor do i believe that social supports should be considered charity,”

Your belief in this concept in no way means that you have to compel others to agree or pay, though, does it? I often wonder, if there are so many people in favor of assuring health insurance is available for all, why don’t all those people get together under the leadership of their most famous community organizer and organize a voluntary system of assuring that such provisions are made for all? We have the technology. But, instead, they turn to compulsion, forcing everyone to buy really crappy products from really crappy insurance companies (which profit from it). That’s kinda screwy to me. Sociopathic? Maybe. Or maybe it is just what happens when people start believing that ends justify means.

More from Philomela: “the wellbeing of individuals should be considered a human right, and the wellbeing, health, education, etc of all in in all of our best interests.”

I will try to gently say that just because you say so, doesn’t make it so. There are real problems with the concept you present above, problems that have to be worked through. Here’s a few questions: Who defines well-being? Is there a well-being cut-off? Determined by who? Why do these people get to determine the cutoff? What gets incorporated into this definition of well-being? Housing? How big a house? Good parenting? How determined? How enforced? Health care? How much health care? Does such a “right” apply globally, or just in the US? To immigrants or just natural born citizens? How much education does one get by right? Can everyone have a right to earn a PhD, because it is a “right”? These so-called “positive rights” are a type of “right” that involve other people providing them. So you may have to force some people to provide for others. Oops. Therein lies the rub: Forcing people to provide for these rights would mean forcibly consuming their time (liberty) or property. It would amount to at least partial indentured servitude, or partial slavery, wouldn’t it? Forced to work for another’s benefit? Isn’t that slavery? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, quite in contrast, are negative rights. They are natural and present and nobody has to provide for them. They simply exist.

From Philomela again: “people don’t start out equal =-that is a convenient myth! not everyone has the same privelege, abilities, oportunuities or choices. we all benefit from the wellbeing and care of the whole.

I absolutely agree with you completely in the above (except for the word “whole” which is kinda groupthinky). But “equality” in the US was supposed to mean “equality in the eyes of the law”, meaning no group or class should benefit from the LAW more than any other. For example, there should be no way for special interests to benefit from or control the law. I also personally agree with you that we all benefit when our neighbor is wealthier or happier. And many of us may consider our neighbors to be geographically on the other side of the world, even. However, I also suggest you consider that we all suffer when our neighbor is compelled to do something morally reprehensible to him (such as participate in fascism, for example). So how is wealth and happiness best obtained by our neighbor? I doubt the distant and socopathic national government folk are going to know how my neighbor can best attain happiness, and I doubt they even give it a thought as they contemplate how to force everyone to do what they want us to.

Philomela, you have a kind heart, that is very clear. I think you might have said you are a bleeding heart liberal, as I am a bleeding heart libertarian (although I never have examined the derivation of the term “bleeding heart” so I may be quite wrong..) I would ask you to consider this: kindness is not ever achieved through compulsion, but rather accomplished by love. Love is not forced, or obtained by fraud. (Except of course in the setting of a sociopathic relationship!). You and I have the same goal of maximizing the human condition. I remain unsure how to attain or achieve it, at least sufficiently unsure that I am entirely unwilling to compel people to follow me! But I am eager to see how the wonderful individuals who join together to create wonderful futures, living principled lives, figure it all out.

philomela

the devil is in the details. i learned that well from the spaths in m5 l7fe. it applies here as well.

20years

It is interesting that you would use this expression. And what does “the devil is in the details” mean? I know that the commonly accepted meaning is that details can be problematic, or screwing up on details can derail an entire project.

But I see an additional meaning that applies to sociopathy, and it is more of a “you can’t see the forest for the trees” meaning. And, using the word “devil” also very interesting, if we think of a devil as a sociopath…. trying to distract us from the big picture or solution to the problem (through getting us bogged down in details). I have found that focus on solutions can often be derailed once people begin arguing finer points, rather than remembering the reason for the discussion in the first place.

Having said that, details are interesting and can certainly help create deeper understanding of some of the nuances of a problem.

In the end, though, remembering to refocus on the big picture is what is going to save us. (and yes, I am intending the metaphor of “salvation” since the word “devil” is used in this idiom).

The devil certainly DOES want to distract us from finding a solution. And the devil absolutely will use any means possible: distraction, division, deception, confusion, and through upsetting us. This is how we are led astray. Think of it as a metaphor or take it literally.

20years

As this topic is so very interesting to me, and I thank Dr. Hunt for writing this article, Donna for publishing it, and commenters for commenting, I have wanted to do some further research to deepen my understanding. I googled and came across an excellent editorial that I recommend to all of you. It is Five Essential Libertarian Attitudes, by Martin Masse. (I think it should show up on search engines if you look for it that way).

He does a very good job of describing how libertarians think, including regarding how libertarians think about their role in solving the problems of the world.

One matter of contention is, how should we think about and act towards our fellow man? This is greatly misunderstood by many people who do not understand libertarians. The editorial I mention does a great job of explaining.

With regard to the problem of sociopaths in our world and how libertarian attitudes might be the “opposite” of sociopathy, I have to say I agree. Because sociopaths are about power and control over individuals, and libertarians are about the freedom of the individual.

The matter of “group” vs “individual” also is greatly misunderstood by many people. For many who have a more collectivist (or socialist) view, it sounds awfully selfish to talk about focusing on the individual.

I used to have this collectivist, or socialist mindset, myself. It was my revelatory experiences of spath betrayal that turned me around 180 degrees from that view. My former socialist views seemed to me to be the most correct, the most kind, the most helpful, the most selfless. I was wrong. But to describe the process of my evolution towards where I am now, with a focus on the individual, would be quite lengthy.

So, just a couple of points to ponder. Please read, or re-read, the Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights, and read it while thinking deeply about such values as freedom (liberty, or where the word libertarian comes from), and read it while thinking about how it applies to the individual, vs how it applies to groups. Read it while thinking about tyranny and fascism. See if you gain any new insights.

Another point: if you are a parent, think about your role as a parent, towards your children, not fixed in time but as time goes by and they grow up. Are you an authoritarian parent? A permissive parent? Is there a 3rd option? How were you raised by your own parents? What should be the role of the State with regard to how you parent your children? What do you think of, for example, CPS investigating you and how you parent your children? What would you do if they came to your door?

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

20years,
Thank you for your words of wisdom.

I’ve learned many lessons having been married to a sociopath.
They do NOT ever engage in introspection.
They are profoundly tethered to their dark emotions.
They are not open to understanding another’s perspective (NO empathy).
They don’t admit the truth, they manipulate and throw temper tantrums.
They change the accepted definitions of words.
During their rants, they demand that others acknowledge their superiority, and at the same time they cry about their victimhood. (narcissism 101)
And damn it if others don’t agree how they are superior, they will beat and punish until we do.
They do this because no one who is rational and caring would chose to be enslaved to their lifestyle and their rules, a quality of life that is for their targets, just as they exempt themselves from the very oppressions that they force on others.

Just didn’t want you to think that silence meant that others didn’t agree with you.

Thank you for your posts.

ps I thought Frederic Bastiat’s “The Law” worthy of discussion.

pps I have been on welfare. It’s a trap, a killer of dignity and human spirit. I would sooner die than submit to such a social program ever again. Sadly, that is where the USA is, for example, with Obamacare. All those people on welfare, and they don’t seem to know that when the government “helps” them, it’s a social redistribution program, aka welfare.

20years

Thank you, NotWhatHeSaidofMe, for writing this. I do understand exactly where you are coming from, and I hoped and figured some people might be reading and thinking to themselves, and not posting. That is what I do a lot anyhow (lurk and not post, but nonetheless read and get a lot out of what other people post).

Yes (regarding welfare), I have a friend who is on medicaid because he is not old enough for medicare and is in that age bracket where premiums are so high they are unaffordable. He is grateful for this public assistance, but he did not really think it through, that there are people like me who make just over the line where we do not qualify for a subsidy, but that does not mean we can afford the high premiums. So it is people like me, paying his premium. He can see how I struggle to afford basic things like food for my family. I was not trying to make him feel guilty, just make him understand that there is a price to pay, and somebody pays it. It is not “the wealthy” who pay necessarily. People like me work our [email protected]@es off and are paycheck to paycheck (and grateful for our jobs, make no mistake) but it is very true that struggling people (not just “the wealthy”) are subsidizing people who are also struggling.

The posts that I make, I figure people will read and get out of them whatever they are meant to, for we can only each learn lessons when we are ready to. 😉

And I sure have a lot more to learn myself, I figure.

This is an important topic (sociopathy) and you have learned a lot of the same lessons I have about them, it seems. It is a very good feeling, once the veil falls away, and the red flags are so much more obvious now. Much easier to recognize these behaviors whenever we come across them — whether interpersonal, in our leaders, or in our societal institutions.

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

20years
I have been involved with social services three times in life.
1) when I was 9 and my father was nearly killed in a car accident. He spent 6 mo in a coma, and a further 18 mo in a rehab center. My mom and us 5 very young kids were on welfare until my mom finished some education and got a job.

2) when I was 13 and my best friend was raped by her stepfather, we reported her and told by social services how wicked and ungrateful we were, she/her siblings/me and my big mouth, that a man would marry her mom and take on all those kids(and the big mouth best friend.) He continued to rape each girl as she turned 13.

3) When I attended university late in life, I worried about no insurance for my daughter so I signed her up for well baby services. NOTHING else. But the social services people were so monstrous in their control, threats, and anger that I needed to learn to express my appreciation for all they did for me (the monthly threats that they would take my child or decide last minute not to cover if she got sick or injured… geeee. No stress there!)

Now that I left and divorced my ex, a sociopath, I have been very very sick from stress related illnesses. He did not follow the law and provide insurance (the law only matters if someone will enforce it.), so I can’t afford the high risk insurance, still high risk even though I am recovered and haven’t needed a doctor in over two years, but I am low income… so I am one of those awful people who don’t have insurance. Well, I did until Obamacare, I had catastrophic care and I paid my own normal care, which USED to be affordable. Now the choice is welfare or NO insurance. SO… it’s no insurance, and No medical care.

I accept the limitations of my life, and know that I am chosing death over welfare. I mean it when I say I’d rather die than be “in the system”. I married a man who turned out to be like my birth family, and I’m okay with the consequences.

What I am not okay with, is that I bought a cheap little house so I would not be homeless, and damned if the IRS isn’t lined up to put a lien on it and take it from me.

It is my eventual punishment for not purchasing health insurance, which I literally can’t afford because I am “high risk”… so I have realized that trying to not submit to government control, welfare, etc. will eventually make me homeless and kill me, b/c I refuse to submit to dominating, controlling, tyrannical social welfare from the “goodness” of a government that refuses to let me be. Our government is an institutionalized sociopathic entity and the majority of people LIKE it that way.

20years

NotWhatHeSaidofMe,

I too was without health insurance for a period of time, for financial reasons. This difficult circumstance led me to investigate all methods of preventing illness and injury as well as ways of creating health. I went through this health seeking journey at the same time I was researching sociopathy to try to make sense of my spath relationship. I stumbled upon information about our medical system which paralleled what I was learning about sociopathy, so I began to make connections about the nature of tyranny in relationships to tyranny in government.

But back to the nitty gritty of what I learned about health and healing: I went from being a believer in modern medicine and fully relying on the wisdom of the system and faithfully getting my checkups and taking prescribed interventions — to being a person (now) who relies on herself for health, and I have learned how to do it. How to take care of myself (preventing illness and injury), how to diagnose, and how to treat, without using drugs or other conventional treatments. I’m just letting you know, vibrant health and healing from illness is possible, outside of our tyrannical medical system, at very low cost, if you are determined enough to do the research to find out the necessary information you need.

The other thing that happened to me was that someone reported me to CPS and I was subjected to a lengthy and abusive investigation and threatened with having the children taken away from me. This experience opened my eyes the rest of the way (they were already almost open) to the tyranny of the State.

Labels are just stand ins for the real thing. They are metaphors. People often forget this. We categorize and sort and put people into groups. But in doing so, we erase their individual humanity. People are not groups. Even though many of us voluntarily affiliate with groups and adopt those identities and beliefs as our own…. rather than maintaining an individual identity and thinking for ourselves.

We help “the poor” from a safe distance through donations and supporting social programs, yet do we really reach out in a personal way to the stranger on the street who is experiencing difficulty? That is just an illustration of what dehumanization of individuals through group affiliation (or labeling) might look like.

In Orwell’s 1984, everyone was expected to conform to a one-size-fits-all behavior and beliefs, yet torture was individualzed, due to the “NSA”-style spying program.

john hunt MD

HI Philomela. I read your weblink above thoroughly. Internal contradictions are present in it, such as blaming libertarians for unregulated Wall Street economic parasitism (when in fact Wall Street is mostly in bed with the regulators and the central bank and the Treasury, and it is those government and para-government entities that empower and to a great extent fund them). There is nothing libertarian about Goldman Sachs or the Feds purchase of Treasury bonds with counterfeit currency while Goldman Sachs takes as profit a percentage of each years growing government debt! Several other such strange distortions are presented in the piece that blame libertarianism falsely. Is the writer sociopathic? Maybe. But probably much more likely to not be sociopathic, but rather just to have an ideological foundation that is unsound and internally contradictory, leading him to write an internally contradictory and unsound article. These sort of intellectually weak articles are all over the place, on all sides of the aisle. A sound ideology that is internally consistent and doesn’t contradict itself (which libertarianism strives to be) helps one to see the fairly obvious failings in logic in this article you link above, while not dismissing the very appropriate points it also makes.

Then there are the sins of omission in the article, which are harder to see. The comparison to Honduras is a bit of a straw man argument. In the US we are supposed to have a limited federal government, with very circumscribed powers. But then there are state and local governments. Limiting the excessive and illicitly obtained power of the federal government (now a national government) does not leave the states and the localities unable to deal with crime and safety issues. It just allows the localities to try various moral means to accomplish aims, in ways that best work for the various people, and allows people to move from one locality to another that might better fit their philosophy, without having to move out of the country altogether in order to escape from a nationalized philosophy that they consider evil.

Libertarianism in the US doesn’t mean that we become Honduras. Honduras is the way it is for reasons that are quite distinct to the situation that is or would be in the US if the US national government were restricted to its legal/constitutional authority via libertarian philosophy. Likewise, I would not think full fledged socialism in the US would necessarily be Stalinist tyranny. Nor is the fascism that dominates the federal government today (with programs such as Obamacare–which is classically fascist) going to mimic Hitlerism with Hitler’s set of specific evils.

One point of libertarian education is to help people be immunized against the sort of minor or major twists, frauds, errors of omissions, lies, etc that we get pummeled with in the media. A libertarian philosophy does not get forced on people, it just prevents other philosophies from being so easily forced (or maneuvered through fraud) upon them.

Libertarianism doesn’t mean the end of charity. It means the end of compulsion. There are bleeding heart libertarians galore. The bleeding heart libertarian strives to help the needy themselves, instead of using the power of government to force others to help the needy. Libertarians don’t consider forced charity to be moral or useful. Ends don’t justify means, and usually immoral means such as compulsion lead to unanticipated ends that aren’t desirable anyway. For example, welfare statism may be responsible for the destruction of the previously very wide supportive family and other social units that the poor (generally) used to have in the US (and are still so widely relied upon to help the poor manage themselves in Liberia)

Beware very much when the word sociopath starts getting perverted. When libertarianism is described as sociopathic, recognize that such is 1984 Newspeak entirely. The term “anti-social personality disorder” is a slippery step. Here’s why–libertarians stand in defiance of a social order increasingly controlled by sociopaths in government and bureaucratic power. You can consider libertarians therefore to be against this sociopathic society, and the media might start calling them “anti-social”. And that is how the words and meanings start being used by the sociopaths against their staunchest enemies (the libertarians).

To consider libertarianism to be sociopathic is to consider love is hate, or war is peace. It is Orwellian. I still try to figure out why a commentator or two have come to believe the untruth. I think it probably comes down to some people’s acceptance of force being acceptable to use to accomplish what they think is an important aim (such as fighting poverty), and people who stand against the force (libertarians) are falsely described by them as being against the aim. Not at all. They are only against the force (and fraud).

There are libertarian environmentalists, libertarian community organizers, libertarian civil rights marchers, libertarians eager to save the whales, libertarian human rights advocates, libertarian poverty fighters, libertarian job creators, libertarian fraud-fighters, libertarian freedom-fighters. And yes there are also libertarians who are out only for themselves (but if abiding by libertarianism, they gain for themselves entirely without force or fraud or rent seeking or government compulsion). Libertarians are adamantly opposed to slavery and adamantly in favor of equal treatment for all under the law. There is nothing sociopathic about any of that. And I reiterate my proposition that libertarians are the strongest enemies of the sociopaths.

20years

I would like to suggest a link for people who might be interested in an article from a slightly different angle, written by someone with libertarian viewpoints, and it does a good job of describing the creeping tyranny in collectivism, and why this feels so oppressive to people who love individual freedom. It is just a lot of very good food for thought. And yes, this topic does have a lot to do with sociopathy.

However, I will offer this “trigger warning” as my kids say, that there is a small reference to defending one’s freedom from encroaching tyranny through violence. That may offend some readers. In the context of the article, it makes sense. It is also what our country’s forefathers did during the American Revolution. If that part of the article offends you, try to ignore it because the rest really is quite good.

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2609-tyranny-it-pisses-me-off

Stargazer

Dr. Hunt, I really appreciate your explanation of the libertarian philosophy, and I also have a question for you at the end.

First I will say that I have always been more liberal politically, but have come to understand how pervasive sociopathy is across the the two main parties. I admit that politically, I live under a rock. I am a contemplative person and have not watched TV in many years and follow the news very loosely. I never really understood what the libertarian philosophy was about, and now I will give it another look. I realize that no group is exempt from sociopaths. But as you mention, there is usually a point when their masks fall off for everyone to see. I am hard pressed to find a sociopath who is working for healthcare in Africa or striving to end world hunger.I work at a Children’s hospital, and I’ve worked closely with pediatricians for years. As a group, I have observed them to fight tirelessly for children’s rights. Many of them volunteer their time in third world countries – for instance, a group of them went to Haiti after the big earthquake and risked all kinds of hardship and disease to help people needing emergency healthcare. I greatly respect and admire them. We did have one bad physician in the bunch at one time, but he got fired when his bad behaviors became obvious.

We live in an imperfect world where there is corruption everywhere at every level. But, like you, I believe there are good people. I do like to hold an optimistic view of what “could be” in this country, that it is possible to have a government of morally conscious individuals doing the highest good for society, continually questioning its motives and actions in a thoughtful and empathic way. And when mistakes are made, it is not for the aggrandizement of an individual seeking power.

Here is my question. How would a libertarian government handle the squelching of civil rights that is so prevalent in the middle east with all the sociopathic dictators? Would they send troops over to fight? How do they feel about having a strong U.S. presence in other countries? I’m asking with absolutely no bias on either side – just curiosity.

Thanks in advance for your response,

Star

john hunt MD

Hi Star. How would a libertarian government handle the squelching of civil rights abroad and deal with sociopathic dictators? Great question. I can provide my answer, which isn’t necessarily the same as other libertarians.

One component is that libertarians are huge into civil rights. It’s one of their central political and social focuses, if an individual libertarian is involved in the larger pictures (some aren’t). Their main issue is in preventing government from interfering with civil liberties. Because government is the only entity legally empowered to initiate force against people, governments tend to be the major interferers with civil liberties over the course of history and geography. Sure, non-government entities can be racist, just as the government can be, but it is government that does it with force that prevents people from avoiding the racism (or other evil), and that is going to be the focus of libertarians.

The first step is to clean up all the evils in our own houses, including the house and senate.

Internationally, libertarians are very involved and encouraging of unhindered trade and commerce with as few trade barriers as possible. Thus libertarians are not in the least “isolationists” as they are often totally incorrectly described. They do tend to be non-interventionists from a military perspective. I would say libertarians generally have huge respect for the military (I was a navy officer myself), but not a lot of respect for the way the military has been used by the political class of late. Libertarians generally think that the US government is pretty incompetent (or outright sociopathic) at dealing with domestic issues. And there is no reason to think they are more competent dealing with issues overseas where the cultures can be radically different. For example, US government efforts at development in Africa almost always fall flat or the resources are wasted or misdirected or misallocated or “reinvested”. There are reasons for those failures in Africa that government folk just seem to not grasp, or can’t act on, perhaps.

So, how to deal with the sociopathic dictators in the world?

Summary: Don’t create them. Don’t support them. Don’t subsidize them. Don’t stop good people from fighting them. And maybe kill them. Then also, recognize that sociopathic leaders are not representative of the people of their nation, but rather simply control them.

Libertarians would first not FORCE individual Americans to fight or pay for fighting the tyrannical bastards overseas, because to do so is rather tyrannical itself. But libertarians would not in any way stop individual Americans or groups of Americans from fighting, or funding the fighting of the sociopathic tyrants. Before the sudden increase in US government control beginning in the early 20th century, before the US entered WW1, Americans went to fight in Europe without US government involvement, for example. I think a libertarian politician would encourage individual Americans to get involved with moral pursuits abroad, voluntarily, but won’t force them.

Second, I think libertarians wouldn’t create the tyrannical bastards overseas in the first place. I mean, the US government created Sadaam, it supported al Qaeda against the Russians, it subsidized the Shah, it defend the Saudis, it funded the precursor to ISIS. It doesn’t have a very good record in the last fifty years of avoiding the support of tyrants. It’s failure results from constantly using sneaky fraudulent methods. Probably not a surprise that they create what ends up being nasty tyrants.

If the tyrannical bastards overseas threaten America, well, then the libertarian president and Congress would usually abide by the contract of the Constitution, and that involves guaranteeing a republican form of government to the states and the people, and that means defending the republican form of government against foreign assault or threat of assault. That’s a bit different. It involves abiding by the written actual contract of the Constitution (which is radically different than the wiggly uncertain “social contract” that is often espoused by politically powerful folk who want to ignore the Constitution and take more power). Libertarians won’t defraud the people with hate propaganda into going to war over oil or to protect the petrodollar or distract from troubles at home, or to distract from their own misbehavior, or to enwealthen some bankers who want to fund both sides of a war, or to protect “American Interests” (usually defined by the politically powerful) or to exercise the troops, or to excite the military-industrial machine, or to enhance nationalism, or to try to get us through a recession, or any other non-moral or manipulative reason.

So if the tyrant doesn’t threaten the republican form of government or threaten Americans in the US, the libertarian US government would not get involved. But I expect it would strongly encourage that we American individuals support–however we wish to–all the good folk being oppressed and the nearby nations that might be defending themselves against the tyrant.

Americans aren’t serfs of the US government, or at least shouldn’t be. Americans can and should do what they want to help others (here and abroad) instead of waiting for and relying on the US government incompetence to do so.

For some reason, the US government has a rule against assassinating foreign leaders. The idea, they justify, is to help avoid other nations from assassinating US leaders. However, the effect is that in order to get a sociopathic tyrant out of power, the US govt drags Americans into war against lots of innocent people under the tyrant’s rule, and then kill lots of innocent people in the process. So perhaps a libertarian consideration would be this: If someone threatens us with force, we have the right but not obligation to respond, however we wish AGAINST the INDIVIDUAL(s) who threatened us.

Collectivism is a strange infection. When we blame a nation for an individual’s tyranny, that is collectivism. When we blame a people for a government’s misbehavior, that is collectivist. When we blame an individual for a religion’s tyranny, that is also collectivist. We should put the blame where the blame belongs.But we also live in a world where the collectivist infection is endemic, and until it is cured, we have to deal with the real life consequences of that disease, and I think that is hard for some particularly pacifist libertarians to realize.

Libertarians strive for peace whenever possible. But many will fight against the forcers and frauders. Libertarians are often pacifists who own guns for DEFENSE, not offense. But there are other libertarians who will willingly become mercenaries–paid troops to fight in a good cause on behalf of weak innocents unable to defend themselves who request that someone fight for them. Good mercenaries, or privateers.

Sociopaths are tough to deal with, we all know this. Libertarians tend to avoid giving them power, first and foremost, and then try to avoid killing a lot of innocent people in the process of trying to defeat them if they gain power. Libertarian dealings with tyrants might my analogous to the NO CONTACT Rule, but with a contract in the Constitution that offers up the possibility that we kick the damn sociopath’s ass (which I bet we all kinda wanna do now and again) if he threatens us. No contact applies to teh sociopathic tyrant, not to the people under his thumb. So libertarians aren’t so likely to restrict trade with the given country under tyrannical rule (never worked much for Cuba).

Libertarians feel for the individual victims of the tyrant, while trying to figure out how to rescue them. And discuss, and consider and care throughout the process. And don’t stop other people from acting if they are ready and raring to do so.

So, that’s my long summary… And again, it is not going to be consistent with every libertarian. But it is certainly different than most neoconservatives and progressives (who are pretty much identical to each other in their actions when it comes to international battles).

john hunt MD

I forgot to add–troops overseas? As little as reasonably possible for to preserve the republican form of government in the US, and not where it requires initiation of force or fraud against innocents in order to accomplish the presence.

And that is subject to lots of discussion and opinion, of course, and it is the type of discussion we should be having instead of having to deal with all the unconstitutional stuff that the government keeps doing that distract us from having the appropriate conversations. But libertarians would not have a military presence to support the economy of another nation (a big aspect of our military presence overseas), nor to defend the other nation as if we were the only ones capable of providing defense, nor in exchange for support of the petrodollar as the Fed counterfeits our own fiat currency onto the edge of a cliff. There is lots of different views within libertarians about how to address military and defense issues, but abiding by the Constitution is the first part of the discussion always.

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

john huntMD
If I may ask for a little more from you… only because you site a term that seems to confuse people who are waking up to our responsibilities about voting/politics. “republican form of government” vs the Republican Party. Please enlighten?

Thank you in advance.

john hunt MD

NotWhatHeSaidofMe… I think you know the answer!. Definitely not the same as Republican Party.

“republican” form of government–small “r”.
REPUBLIC–REX PUBLICA. Meaning Rule by the Public Law. As opposed to Rule by the Whims of a Ruler or by the whims of the mob/majority.

The supreme Public Law is the Constitution. It is supposed to not be easy to change the supreme law of the land, because brief whimsical faddish foolishness should not become law. Public Law should be long and seriously considered, debated, and broadly acceptable, because it becomes contract–and the law becomes our ruler. This is what is meant when we say that we are supposed to have the RULE OF LAW. It doesn’t mean we should have a ton of laws. It means that we should be ruled by Law, as opposed to being ruled by rulers.

Law in libertarian thinking is based on Natural Law, Nature’s Law. These are laws for human interaction, that like laws of physics, are not created by man, but discovered by man over time, sort of by the scientific method. Libertarians mostly think that there are two primary natural laws of human interaction that have been discovered and reasonably proven to be necessary to follow for long term success of humanity: 1) Do whatever you agree to do, and 2) Do not encroach on other people or their property. These are the laws that, if followed, prevent war. The first is the center of contract law, and the second is the center of criminal law.

Given that we are guaranteed this republican form of government, all the stuff that defies the Constitution, stretches it, distorts it etc, should be considered illegal. I don’t think we have been living in a republican form of government for many years. In my opinion our government is gradually transitioning to more of a fascist form of government.

Near as I can tell, the Democratic Party and Republican Party are two sides of the same coin that flip over their views about every 30-40 years, and become the other party.

Stargazer

I like the response of not empowering sociopaths in other countries to begin with. Not putting them in power because they support US economic interests, then turning around and dealing with the aftermath. This seems to be an important disconnect that gets glossed over by the phrase “fighting for our freedom”. The problem is one of lack of consciousness – failure to understand cause and effect.

You are proposing that good, fair, decent, and altruistic people can hold public positions. I think it is possible, too.

Most of us are so jaded that we feel voting is like choosing between the Menendez brothers, the lesser of two evils. How can the word get out that this paradigm can shift? Presumably, the libertarians don’t have as much money as the wealthy sociopathic constituents in the opposing parties, so they don’t have massive TV campaigns, and they don’t use smear tactics. So….How do we shift the thinking of this society to even allow for the possibility of a truly effective government instead of a sociopathic one?

philomela
john hunt MD

I suppose if you rely on dailykos as a primary source of information, you will be misled about libertarianism, because libertarianism is a threat to progressives. The issue that I wanted to raise wasn’t merits or demerits of selfishness (as dailykos writer and other progressives label libertarians) nor the merits or demerits of narcissism (a label I sometimes perhaps partly incorrectly use to describe the people who are so darn sure they know what is best for everyone else that they are eager willing to compel everyone to do as they say.

Libertarians are opposed to initiation of compulsion and fraud by other people. Compulsion by non-human forces, like the weather or a cow or a fire, or by broad economic forces that no human controls, is not the same thing as human initiated force. When job loss from natural free market changes end up “forcing” people to move, it is not usually human compulsion (sometimes it is), nor is it the same sort of force that libertarians oppose. The dailykos guy conflated that pretty badly.

There are a lot of defensive attacks against libertarianism on the left and the right, because libertarianism draws attention to the left and the right’s internal contradictions. When internal contradictions are found, the defensive person attacks first, or shuts down, throws epithets around and runs away second, or depending on the personality type, might use other methods to avoid having to face the internal contradiction.

I would suggest that all sides of the coin be examined. Dailykos says libertarians are selfish. We have been taught extensively that selfishness is bad. There is a whole debate on that. Certainly selfishness in a society where compulsion of others is considered acceptable is bad, because then selfish goals can be compelled on others. But how about selfishness in a society in which compulsion is not possible? What does THAT lead to? Selfishness when compulsion and fraud are illicit ends up with people striving for success by selfishly working their butts off to identify and serve the needs of other people (free market capitalism).

The dailykos attack on libertarians as selfish, without concurrent recognition that libertarians are anti-coercion, is a spin, and rather a common toss-off/ manipulative or defensive spin at that. I would spin it this way: libertarians care so much about others that they don’t compel them to be slaves, don’t force them to behave a certain way, and they truly believe that everyone has the right to life, liberty and to pursue their happiness. Is that selfish?

I’ll reiterate what we all know. Sociopaths are among us, concentrated in political power, and we give them more political power over us every year that passes. Right or left, Republican or Democrat, it makes no difference. More power concentrates illegally at the national level every week that passes, every Congress that elected, and every president that enthroned. We no longer even give them the power, now they just take it, with little restriction by the law (Constitution). Libertarians are the ones, selfish or not, who are ideologically consistently opposed to the sociopaths having more and more legal power to compel everyone to do their bidding. To disempower sociopaths on the large scale, we need to disempower all politicans. From a political perspective, libertarians are the only ones who want to run for office for the sole purpose of decreasing the power of the office they get elected to. But politics is only a fraction of it. The key is to get people in society to retrain their brains to realize that initiation of compulsion by one human against another is wrong, always has been, and always should be, no matter what goal you have.

stronginthecity

John H.
Many of us are professionals with letters behind our names.
We choose not to air them here.
Not sure how this has turned to a political point of view.
I will read to understand.
Your posts seem a bit out of place in this forum, but the rules are not to attack others here.
Stronginthecity

Stronginthecity – It was my decision to post Dr. Hunt’s article. I think it is important for all of us to realize that sociopaths affect all areas of our lives, not just romantic partnerships.

philomela

“I have always found it quaint and rather touching that there is a movement [Libertarians] in the US that thinks Americans are not yet selfish enough.”
”• Christopher Hitchens

john hunt MD

Or perhaps it is a movement that respects human dignity sufficiently to not compel everyone to comply with what they think is best for everyone.

It all depends on the spin you choose to spin.

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

Argghhh. When I see someone extol social compulsatory compliance as being “for the greater good”, I know it’s neither “greater” nor “good”. It’s oppressive and punitive. It’s the same logic construct that my sociopath ex husband used. Both strip people of the dignity of self determination. As if being hardworking and self reliant equates to being selfish. Why can’t people CHOOSE welfare and those of us who don’t want it be left alone????

AnonymosaFurtivo

Christopher Hitchens was a Marxist so this sort of anti American propaganda is to be expected, but demonstrably false.

The United States sends more volunteers and more charity per capita overseas than ANY other country on earth. Americans are literally the most charitable people on earth right now, and that’s counting only volunteers, not government aid. So Hitchens’ snarky comment about American selfishness has no basis in reality. And Dr Hunt is an American pediatrician who spends his time in Africa helping sick kids for FREE. So it’s absurd for you to be moralizing to him about selfishness.

The truth is people fled Hitchens’ bloodthirsty England to escape a statist empire indebted to a central bank driving endless wars, taxing and regulating citizens into economic serfdom.

Food Stamps are a fraction of 1% of where our taxes go. It’s a red herring to distract the masses from where our tax dollars are actually going and how they hurt the poor.

Libertarians are more interested in the control of our monetary and economic system by a very few unaccountable sociopaths. The endless wars for special interests. An unsound currency and inflation of the dollar that constitutes the largest transfer of wealth from the poor and middle classes to the top 1%. All are only possible through government force.

The best way to care for the poor is to promote economic and social liberty – philosophically they are the same thing – and they have proven results.

Whereas history is full of the failings of central planning, Marxism and fascism;

Freedom is how the United States quickly became the most peaceful and prosperous country to ever exist.

And free individuals have shared this wealth and innovation with the rest of the world, improving the global standard of living more than ever before in history.

We should not be listening to idiotic quips from Communist shills like Hitchens. We should be proud of American Exceptionalism and the great service it has done for the world.

philomela

on what the constitution actually says and stands for, the place to begin is the Preamble, as it describes the purpose of the rest of the document

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

john hunt MD

I agree. Although the preamble is not part of the law, it does help us to understand the purpose of the law.

As a small, but certainly relevant point, the definition of general Welfare is one of those items distorted by the modern statists. It doesn’t mean welfare in the modern welfare state meaning.

The keyword is GENERAL. General welfare applies to EVERYONE, and it is the opposite of Special Interest. The Constitution was considered initially to prohibit taxation for the purposes of supporting any individual or group of individuals (special interest). Taxation was (and is by ignored law) only allowed to 1) pay the then accumulated debt, 2) for common defense, 3) for general welfare. Therefore taxation was not allowed for the purpose of special interest support. Indeed Congress very specifically knew that in the early years of the nation. Now, taxation is mostly spent on special interest: Elderly, poor, Wall Street, Corn growers, corporate subsidies, solar subsidies, marriage credits, etc etc… And this is why there are lobbyists, because there are so many tax dollars that the special interests like to battle for. Yet none of that, none of it, is actually constitutional.

Securing the blessings of liberty is a big one.

AnonymosaFurtivo

You really can not infer anything from the preamble and the Constitution is not meant as a stand alone document.

It’s necessary to read supporting documents such as the Federalist Papers and writings of Thomas Jefferson in order to correctly interpret our constitution.

You also need to be educated on the historical context of the American Revolution and what was going on in England and Europe at the time, as well as in the great empires before, in order to really appreciate the parallels to what is happening today.

companion

Normally I am a lurker on this board, but I felt compelled to log in and say that it is typical of the authoritarian left to have to have the last word and “shout down” other opinions, even on a blog of this kind. Even though I’m not a libertarian, I am enjoying the most of the stimulating discourse that it has aroused. Thanks, Dr. Hunt!

20years

I am happy to see that this conversation has continued over the weekend. I’ve been meditating upon it, and thinking that viewing this topic (force and fraud in government) through the lens of our interpersonal spath experiences is what might bring the most helpful insights.

I’ve been thinking about codependence in particular. I’ve mentioned before, how studying Bowen Theory (differentiation of self) has been extremely helpful to me, in detangling myself from involvement with spaths.

Even though I believed that I was raised in a normal (non abusive) family, and yet though I found myself in a terribly abusive marriage, what I did not realize about myself previously was my poor boundaries. Like many of us here on Lovefraud, I spent the earlier part of my life in happy self sacrifice to others. I was a dutiful daughter, a good mother, a good wife, a good friend, a good volunteer, a good neighbor, a good cook, a helpful listener, sensitive and caring towards others. I also developed some talents of my own and truly believed that I was mentally healthy/sane. I wanted so much to have a good character, live a good life as a good person. And to always be on the lookout for ways to improve myself to be even more kind, more good, more caring, more devoted, more loving, more forgiving, etc. etc. etc. oh, how wonderful I was! (and also to not have a large ego about it but simply be wonderful in that way, as well).

Spath experiences woke me up, big time! My kind and wonderful, tolerant and devoted self is what got me into trouble and made me a target. And made me stay and keep working on the marriage.

What I did not realize (and here is the tie-in to force/fraud or sociopathy in government) is that my entire life focus was on others. Even though I “worked on myself” it was not for the healthiest of reasons. I was still trying to be “a good person” rather than to be the most fully developed “20years” (me) possible. I was developing myself with the focus on other people.

This is hard to grasp — it took me a long time before the light dawned. So if I’m not conveying it well, it is a hard topic to get across! Differentiation of self has to do with where I end and others begin (boundaries), and being a very strong and well developed ME (warts and all, self acceptance), rather than molding myself to others in the world around me. Once I began turning the focus to myself rather than others, I was in a much stronger position to be a good encourager of others to do the same.

Rather than swooping in to meet what I arrogantly assumed to be their “needs.” (I guessed wrong many times, I overstepped many times, I tried to control situations many times, all the while believing I was “doing good” and helping others). And then sometimes feeling unappreciated when they didn’t seem to acknowledge what I’d done. (yet keeping my feelings to myself because I really was concerned with being kind and polite and I didn’t want to offend them by sharing my true feelings which were kind of ugly, actually).

This will only resonate, if you have been there yourself. when I first came across the concept of codependency I assumed it didn’t apply to me because there were no alcoholics in my family. I was in denial and at the same time thought I was too mentally and emotionally together to be in denial.

You can only start to see, once the light clicks on.

Anyhow, back to sociopathy in government… it is the arrogant assumption by people that they know better what a person needs, than that person himself does, and then swooping in to “fix” it without regard for consequences. I liken it to a toddler in a china shop with a baseball bat. Maybe entirely well meaning (or maybe not), but doing a heckuva lot of damage.

Mostly, individuals themselves are not asked to help come up with solutions to their own problems…. the solutions are simply “imposed” from outsiders who meddle while thinking they are doing good. Or, from evil people (sociopaths) who enjoy creating chaos and then scapegoating.

Imara

After reading almost all the comments the only conclusion I can arrive at is that there is no real solution to the Orwellian concept of how power corrupts. With our seven billion people or so on earth there is no real blanket philosophical political or practical solution to ethical governance. There is no real uncorrupted practice of democratic elections and governance, just as the concept of true free market philosophy is also utopian. They are the least offensive mechanisms to protect against anarchy. However the same adulteration that occurs in those happen in the practice of Libertarian philosophy too!!
If we did as you propose and tried to elect only people who are proponents of your Libertarian definition and philosophical bent we would end up with a bunch of politicians who would take care of their own best interests, climb the social and economic ladder and then haul up the ladder behind them so others could do the same if they can and if they cannot then oops of course Darwin predicted the survival of the fittest!!!
My hope is that as a species we have evolved into more altruistic societies. That may be the defense against psychopathy.
Because mirroring is such an effective tactic that is used by disordered individuals talking the great talk of the principle of non-aggression would come easy!!!! Following through on implementation of policies that would lead to better more independent functioning societies is a whole different story and we all know how that ends!!!

20years

This is such a difficult seeming problem that it can definitely seem like there is no real solution. Even though that is the way it seems, I believe there is a solution.

But I also believe the solution is in a different place from where most of us are looking.

I believe the sociopaths who are currently in power are making great use of keeping the vast majority of us ignorant as to what they are really up to (deception, wolf in sheep’s clothing, sleight of hand tricks to distract us, bread and circuses, threats, mental mind tricks to set up cognitive dissonance and dissociation, and so on).

So I do believe the solution lies in unmasking them — or, another way of putting it, really seeing things extremely clearly, getting past our fear to stare this straight in the eyes, to spread the word to others, to help as many as possible see through the deception.

As we have all been through the spath experience whereby many of our friends and families do not believe us and continue to believe the spath is the correct one (and we are the crazy one) or else just kind of give up and shrug and say, “well, we just don’t know WHOM to believe — maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle….” when no, actually the truth is simply the truth.

Clarity is a beautiful thing. It is peace, it is love, it is compassion. When you are confronted with truth, you know it. Confusion is the footprint of the deceiver. Misery, fear, bewilderment are all hallmarks of deception. If you feel confused, if things just don’t seem to add up — then that is a huge Red Flag that things are not as they are being presented.

Discernment is possible. Learning to see through the masks and veils is entirely possible. This is an individual journey. No one can make another person “see” or “hear.” Only when one is ready and wants to, can that happen. But once you see, you cannot “unsee.” I think we have all experienced this process, with regard to the spaths in our lives. And then wonder how everyone else can seem so blind. It’s frustrating.

So speaking up and out, education and awareness, I think is the fundamental part of the process of solving this problem (sociopathic evil in the world) — we can all do our part in this, if we want to and will. Many people are already catching on, but are hesitant to speak up, for fear of ostracism. The more people who can speak up without fear, or despite of the fear, the necessary information will spread. Again, remember there are more of us than there are of them.

Also remember the vast body of research that is being done in the field of “bully proofing” which is quite relevant: empower the target and involve the bystanders. Spread awareness so that individual bystanders will automatically involve themselves and overwhelm the bully — take a stand and don’t allow bullying in your community. If this is done on a micro or local level (within families, classrooms, workplaces, communities, churches), awareness will spread, people will begin to wake up, take back their power, and force out the bullies.

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

Imara,
I am sorry to read that the “ONLY” conclusion you can arrive at is there is no real solution to the Orwellian concept of how power corrupts.

Is it possible that the problem has been mis-identified? How do we limit sociopaths? Altruism is not a defense against sociopaths. We who have been victims know that our altruism made it possible for a sociopath to strip us of our humanity. Becoming NON-altruistic towards a sociopath is one of our tools to escape them, we cut them off from our compassion and caretaking. In fact, holding individuals accountable is a strong tool towards identifying and excluding the evil ones. Would that type of thinking help us to come to a framework of problem solving?

I do agree that a one size fits all is impossible, which is why centralized government far removed from the citizens, physically and morally, affirms the rationale behind states rights. For example, I know, politically, I want my local school board making the decisions on how best to teach our kids, not Washington DC, and their Common Core debacle.

I know solutions are difficult but surely the solution should not be to strip the dignity of those people who are socially responsible, force them to buy a product they can’t afford, and then punish them for not having the income to buy that product by putting a lien on the home until government foreclosure, and thereby force them into government programs and serfdom servitude, all in the name of liberal socialist governance. Surely providing temporary government services to those who NEED and CHOOSE services is wiser policy instead of creating/forcing the NEED on those who do not want it(sociopathic)?

I am sorry that you read Dr Hunt’s words and concluded he was advocating that we elect those who take care of their own interests and haul the ladder up behind them (‘m pretty sure he didn’t say that)… because I sure do think that describes what we have in Washington DC now. The elected ones gain FAR FAR more wealth and privilege than their constituents.

AnonymosaFurtivo

There is wisdom in accepting the reality of nature and human nature which is sometimes cruel and violent. We are not going to stop the lion from killing the deer. We are not going to rid the world of predators, and certainly not through the force of state.

Individuals however can love our babies and teach our children morals in hopes of reducing the number of sociopaths in the future.

The utopian idea of “evolving into a more altruistic society” is only possible if we protect peace and prosperity which allows individuals the freedom to raise healthy children. What history shows is freedom and the Non Aggression Principle have provided the best quality of life for the most people on earth than ever before in history. That’s because most people are not sociopaths and, when free to think, speak, act and keep the fruits of their labors, capable of great altruism, creativity, innovation and goodness which benefit everyone. NONE of those things can be forced or centrally planned. It’s the beauty of Spontaneous Order.

Nobody expects a perfect world and we will always have to defend ourselves from the sociopaths (thankfully they are a minority!) But with governments’ current ability to use force against its citizens a minority of sociopaths actually has real power over our lives, and power over the economic system, instead of we the people having power, which is what libertarians want.

Furthermore Anarchy literally means Without Rulers. With Rule of Law based on Natural Rights and Social Contracts we don’t need Rulers. Our Republic is based on the new idea that we are free, dignified human beings capable of interacting peacefully with other people for mutual benefit of all parties. This is the normal healthy way for adults to interact.

The solution to sociopaths violating the Rule of Law is not to create offices with special privileges and powers over ordinary citizens. It should be no surprise that sociopaths will con their way into positions of power.

liferaft2

The thing is to never feed the beast…but that is what altruism does.

20years

I’m glad you mentioned this, liferaft2, because I agree with you AND also that altruism is not the only way possible to be helpful to our fellow man.

If we define altruism as having that quality of giving at the expense of one’s own needs, then absolutely that is what the beast feeds upon.

However, giving from a place of strength is helpful to others and also does not allow for one’s own depletion.

IMO this is only possible if one has knowledge of the existence of sociopaths and uses discernment when interacting with people who desire our help.

With some experience, the difference is obvious, when we “offer” and the other “receives,” as opposed to our allowing them to endlessly take, as though they are siphoning off our energy. (and yes, I do also mean that sometimes we give away ourselves too much, so we are participants in this).

Imara

Actually the definition of Altruism as a noun is: the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well being of others.
Because there is no dissent whatsoever in the fact that Psychopaths are predatory and harmful to others I assume that what is in the “greater good” is the disarming of power and privilege from those who do not reflect the practice of helping without expectation of reward. That said I do not see how anyone in this beautiful land of ours is forced to accept public assistance. Its actually fairly difficult to qualify for most programs that aid our vulnerable. Is there abuse of the system?? Sure!!! Just as surely we know that Psychopathy exists in all socio economic stratas!! And I’m fully aware that not all who abuse the system are psychopaths. Despite this I’m grateful to live in a country that offers a safety net. Don’t want it?? Don’t put in an application to receive that aid!!!
If in fact NotWhatHeSaidOfMe you are speaking of the health care law that becomes a whole new economic discussion that includes social issues. My personal belief is that it is outrageous that in the world’s largest economy we did not offer health coverage to all citizens. I believe in self determination. I voted twice over to allow Oregon to pass the death with dignity law. But I also want my neighbors going through a rough financial period to be able to afford basic health care. Denying them that would certainly be covert aggression by individuals who can…There is a real reason why the 99% are angry.
I do not condone dependency and mooching …to me they remind me too much of parasitic pity plays. wishing to God in heaven that we have the wisdom to differentiate between altruism and manipulation.

philomela

well said Imara

john hunt MD

How does a victim of a sociopath learn to be able to distinguish truth from lies during recovery? Part is to not believe a statement without verification. Part is to learn how to identify falsehoods by direct analysis.

One of the characteristics of truth is lack of internal contradiction. That is how the scientific method helps to sort out truths from false hypotheses. Falsities (or non-truths) stumble on themselves internally the same way that fraudsters stumble on their own words).

I don’t think anyone on this site is saying that everyone should let sick people die, or poor people suffer. However, there are people on this site who are convinced that forcing one person to help another–in a manner that the forcer wants it done–is not a moral (or wise) way to accomplish the help needed. Such a system empowers the people in power, it empowers the forcer, and the people in power are more likely (but not necessarily) to be sociopaths. I want to avoid empowering sociopaths, in part so that I am not fascistically forced to help the needy bankers on Wall Street, the needy GM unions, the needy health insurance companies, the needy giant hospital organizations, the needy large donors to the presidential campaigns, the needy big agribusinesses, etc.

Disempowering sociopaths is what the post was about.

It disingenuous to equate “no government forced welfare” with no social support systems. (BTW, the force applied to those compelled to pay INTO the system, not so much the recipients of the welfare). Government isn’t the only system for accomplishing aims. It is one system, and the system that uses force legally, and therefore it is particularly attractive to people who aren’t trustworthy.

Good people want their neighbors who are going through rough financial times to be able to afford health care. But that is a very different thing from saying that good people want the government to force other people to provide health care (or dollars for health care). That’s an example of an internal contradiction. Good people might go to particular effort to PROVIDE the care, or fund the care, but a good person would not force/compel/threaten other people to do provide that care. Good people would try to persuade others, through truths, without fraud, of the value of providing such care for the needy. But a good person wouldn’t hold a metaphorical gun to the head of another person and say “go do as I tell you to do.”

There are many means to accomplish desired, moral, good ends. The ends should be assuredly good (that’s the first step to make sure of) and the means should be principled. For if ill means are used to accomplish the ends, the ends won’t be the good that was hoped for.

A sociopath will find fertile ground in a person whose “beliefs” are internally contradictory. Such people have yet to find tools to ascertain truth. Truth is an enemy to sociopaths.

AnonymosaFurtivo

Charity hospitals and doctors performing their work for free was common before regulators and HMOs made it illegal.

Doctors and charities that want to offer free health care these days are not even allowed to because of government.

Obamacare forces doctors to charge what insurance companies want to charge.

The insurance companies have lobbied for the laws and they have all agreed to artificially fix prices at ridiculously high rates. This is the opposite of a free market where consumers decide what they want to pay for goods and services.

Rising health care costs and the inability of physicians to charge nominal fees or offer free services are because of government regulations and insurance companies controlling the market.

Not because there are no nice doctors who would help sick people who are unable to pay.

Stargazer

In order to have a truly fair government that actually serves people, we first have to imagine that it can exist. If we just assume that all people, no matter how good their intentions, will be corrupted by power, then we will always have a pessimistic view. (This is also saying that we ourselves would become sociopaths if power were handed to us, which I don’t believe is true).

There’s nothing innately wrong with being pessimistic (or some might say realistic) except that this view does not really encourage reform. There have been good-hearted altruistic leaders in history. Ghandi was an example. I am not saying that just by visualizing something, we can bring it into existence. But if we cannot even imagine it, how can we even try?

Please. This is sickening. It didn’t take too long for Donna’s website to be co-opted by those desiring a platform for their own political dogma. This is supposed be about and for people who have been intimately victimized by a sociopath..
not for those desiring to impose their political viewpoints on others. Just stop proseletyzing.. It’s disgusting. The only way to be a fully actualized human being is to really care about the plight of those less fortunate.. And they really do exist. They are actual people who were not born with the modicum of benefits that most of us enjoy: specifically, moderately emotionally healthy families, enough to eat, access to healthcare so that things that can easily be cured don’t kill or maim them them for life, and adults who are willing and able to instill the confidence to help them rise above any circumstances. If you think your God made you better than everyone else, and proved it by providing you with the means to succeed, you are nothing more than an elitist. If you don’t feel moved by seeing humans ( of different skin colors) and animals suffering at the hands of capitalism, then your POV is morally and ethically bankrupt.

Mustard55 – Dr. Hunt sent his story to me and I made the decision to post it. I think it’s important that we all realize that sociopaths invade not only our personal lives, but our civic lives as well. We need to recognize how their thirst for power affects society, and make appropriate decisions based on our knowledge.

AnonymosaFurtivo

The Non Aggression Principle isn’t about politics, it’s about human right to self determination and it’s the only philosophy that does not force a certain view on anyone.

The suffering of the poor and less fortunate is caused by sociopathy. Sociopathy is given a much more powerful platform with a powerful centralized government. Government promotes policies that disproportionately hurt the poor and vulnerable.

If you support endless wars overseas that threaten national security and bankrupt our economy then great, 30-50% of your income is being taken from you to pay for them.

I don’t. Yet the government forces me to support the killing of innocent people for the interests of a powerful few sociopaths in the military industrial complex.

It is absurd to accuse libertarians of “forcing political views” on anyone.

stronginthecity

Mustard55,
Amen!
Stronginthecity

philomela

thank you mustard55 and stronginthecity!!! i was beginning to feel pretty alone out here in my belief that this kind of political post and political proseletyzing is not appropriate on this site. i stopped replying because i was feeling bulied, attackked and ganged up on, and that my words were being twisted . my original posts were to say that i thought john hunt’s clearly political post was inapproprite on this site. certainly the fact that i so strongly disagree with his polotics made it even more teiggering for me, but honestly even if it were a political view i agreed with but felt it was being proseltyzed here, i would still have objected. i want to apologize for my taking the bait and continuing to respond when clearly my words and meaning were being twisted. i should have just stuck with my original point. i am mad at myself for being pulled in…i just have such difficulty with mis-information and misrepresentation designed to manipulate. i need to do abetter job of learning to walk away. anyway, Anyway, i was getting so upset by this that after 5 yaers and appreciative lurker an occaissional poster, and feeling that Lf is one of the best and most healing sites on sites i have found in this horrible journey of recovery, i was not going to come back to this site or rexcomend it any more because things like this undermine the credibility of the whole site for many people. So i really want to thank the you mustard55 and stronginthecity for getting this back to the important issue here.

AnonymosaFurtivo

I’m sorry you felt ganged up on and attacked.

I believe Dr Hunt’s article is VERY APPROPRIATE to the discussion of sociopathy. Please don’t allow emotions and your political pre-disposition to get in the way of seeing just how relevant his article is to world problems and how they relate to the power we give sociopaths through big, centralized government.

Like he said, one sociopath can hurt a lot of people. And we have a whole bunch of them in positions of power and trust – all over the world!

The US Constitution was designed to avoid this kind of abuse of power, but we have gotten away from its principles. Unfortunately a lot of nice people are manipulated into thinking that government policies are good when in fact they hurt more than they help.

20years

These are spiritual concepts. There are many spiritual traditions and texts which offer clues to how to attain spiritual advancement, as well as many enlightened individuals throughout history who have chosen to share with us what they have learned. It is always up to the individual, how to (and how far to) progress along their path (or not).

One universal spiritual concept (at least so far it appears to me to be universal) relates to the ego (this concept goes by different names, so I’m talking more about the concept than whichever label we put to it). This is the part of us which judges, condemns, takes offense, attacks. A common progression towards spiritual advancement has to do with attaining self-acceptance, along the way towards dissolving the ego. This is an area in which most of us have lessons to learn, in order to advance. Making progress in this lesson brings a person to a place which is more peaceful, compassionate, loving, and less filled with condemnation, concern for whether or not others are doing things “right,” less taking offense or being emotionally wounded, and less attacking and controlling towards others.

These are difficult lessons to learn, for most of us. It is also extremely difficult to explain this process to people who are still identifying strongly with their ego, because any attempt to explain may be perceived as an attack. Although it is not an attack. Does that mean that the attempt (to explain) should not be made? Well, in one tradition, the teacher says something like, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.” So these words are only intended for the ears of the person who is ready and able to hear them. That person may be you. That person may not be you.

An analogy: you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink. A teacher can offer a lesson, but if the student is not ready to learn the lesson, he will refuse it or be confused by it or be offended by it or just misunderstand.

And that is OK. There is no judgement. We are all fellow travelers. We all get to learn from one another. This is true for every single one of us.

In my experience, if a person wants to advance and applies himself to the effort (in whichever way resonates), that person will most definitely receive whatever he needs to progress. This is one interpretation of “ask and you will receive. knock and the door will be opened.”

It might seem like I’ve gone off on a tangent. But I think this applies to this discussion of sociopathy or human evil, and also what it means to be altruistic, or selfless/selfish. And, ultimately, how to solve these problems.

Jan7

Although Ron Paul does not seem like a sociopath he certainly seems very narcissistic in his ideology way of thinking and Ron Paul IS a libertarian.

I think most if not all politicians fall into the narcissist to sociopath spectrum including Libertarian’s. This is why I have ZERO interest in politics now that I have been educated on sociopathic abuse as I can see sociopathic abuse so clearly in politics now especially the brain washing & mind control aspect, smear campaign, gas lighting abuse etc that politicians use to control people & to get them to vote for them during election time then they go off and do what ever the hell they want without any repercussions once elected.

Govt is the biggest con game of all times this is why narcissist & sociopaths gravitate towards this realm. They love to control the masses.

As they say history repeats it’s self unless educated…politics & the abuse of citizens will continue unless all the good citizens understand sociopathic abuse…then and only then will they not continue to vote for sociopaths & narcissist into office whether Republican, democrats OR Libertarian.

Hear hear jan7

AnonymosaFurtivo

I totally agree with you, except the message of liberty is not political at all and does not seek to impose any system or point of view on anyone.

Non Aggression Principle is philosophical – that we are free and beautiful human beings with the right to self determination. And that it is wrong to initiate force against anyone else for any reason.

I don’t really care about personality cults but don’t see any evidence that Dr Ron Paul has a personality disorder. Like the author of this article he has given free medical care to people who couldn’t afford it and stands for noble causes, even unpopular, unprofitable ones.

Barack Obama on the other hand is definitely a narcissist, and possibly a sociopath. Just like the Bushes and the Clintons and most celebrities and public figures. It’s no wonder that Hollywood is so in love with the First Family.

slimone

Hear Hear Stargazer, well said! What is that old saying ‘absolute power corrupts absolutely’? I don’t see anyone in our government actually having ‘absolute’ power. Some appear to have too much, by the way we see them abuse it. But some people will abuse even the smallest amount of power (our experiences are evidence of that!)

Therefore some levels power may not corrupt a basically intact individual at all, and may be used for good. It seems to me it would be highly variant, depending on the individual’s basic psychological soundness. Some will handle power much better than others. And psychopaths abuse power at any level.

Assuring our leaders do not have the absolute power of a dictator is still, likely, a very good idea. Believing that there are some who do good works within an imperfect system is needed, if that system is to continue to evolve.

Having a process in place to vet our leaders for disordered traits, to cut up the power into smaller pieces (so the activities of those involved can be monitored for bad choices and behaviors), and to (in my opinion) financially de-insentivize the senate and the white house by stopping life time paychecks after those people are retired from office. All these things would be good.

Just my 2 cents.

Slim

Slimone, I agree with you.

It is naive to believe that government is unnecessary.. Take any group of people, isolate them together, and the need for rules (and a means to enforce those rules) becomes self-evident. It is precisely because we CANNOT count on every individual to be stable and non-disruptive that this is true.

That said, our system of government is not perfect, but I do believe we would be hard-pressed to find any better system anywhere; however, it’s clear that changes need to be made.

slimone

mustard55 (love that!),

Thanks for responding. I don’t know if there are better governments. I don’t know much about world systems. I am intrigued by the nordic countries and their standard of living for the average citizen. I am guessing as we have become a world economy that the problems of capitalism are affecting what would have been more functional systems than our own.

We do need rules and enforcement. Your first paragraph reminded me of Lord of the Flies, talk about isolating them together and then watching the carnage begin!

Sim

AnonymosaFurtivo

Norway is the wealthiest country per capita because it is tapping into its large oil reserves.

To blame capitalism for the world’s problems ignores the fact that since we have become more free and capitalistic we have seen the greatest improvements in quality of life for more people than ever before in history.

The US has even more oil than Norway but government prevents people from accessing most of it.

Some environmental regulations are from good intended people who want to protect our environment. The Clean Air Act is an example of regulations that improved air quality and so was generally a good thing for government to do.

But other laws are from corporate cronies who want to drive out competition or profit from “green alternatives”. Many of those alternatives are not better for the environment or even sustainable.

What is going on in the USA is not capitalism. It is called corporatism and it is where special interests basically control the government and regulate capitalists (you and me) out of business so that the Too-Big-To-Fails can monopolize the market.

Corporatism and Central Banks empowered by regulations are behind the wealth disparity.

Capitalism historically has been a great equalizer of classes because freedom provides for the easiest upward mobility for the most people.

AnonymosaFurtivo

Libertarians believe in Rule of Law and a limited government that supports national defense, a sound currency, free trade and inalienable rights of its citizens.

A government that protects citizens’ rights from violation is not the same as a government that forces people to be virtuous or tries to force other countries to be democratic.

I think the founders of the constitution hit a good balance of respect for the secular and the sacred.

You are free to believe and live as you wish as long as you don’t impose your will on me.

Jan7

AnonymosaFurtivo aka Dr Hunt??

Thats all fine and dandy what the “Libertarians believe in” but the reality is sociopaths/narcissist are amount the Libertarian political party. It’s a statistical fact!

1 in 25 people mainly men are sociopaths. And experts believe that we have one in our circle of friends/family AND that we meet one in passing everyday. So this Libertarian party has sociopaths among them!! What do sociopaths love to do? have power & control over citizens!

NOT sure WHY you are pushing you libertarian party views on a sociopath victims website…seems very strange to me & it seems very narcissist also. I think it is also very strange that someone post using “Dr” in their post name seems narcissist to me. But that is just my opinion since you state I am “free to believe and live as (I) wish”.

AnonymosaFurtivo

I am an anonymous female and I had never heard of Dr Hunt before reading this article on love fraud. He uses the title “Dr” because he is a pediatrician…

I came to lovefraud to try and figure out if my husband is a sociopath, and came across this article which tapped into a feeling I have had about American society and the current monetary/economic crisis.

I have come to the conclusion that sociopathy is a spectrum more than black and white.

I also believe there is an overlap with other neurological problems, such as ADD/ADHD, Aspergers and traumatic brain injuries.

I also think nutrition might be a lot more important than we know in treating mental illness. It has been helpful for me in dealing with my systemic lupus.

Yes, you are free to disagree and I would not vote for any law that would force you to agree with me or support me financially even though I am far from privileged.

In libertarian society you would be free to live in a Communist Society of Gay Porn Stars as long as you are consenting adults, not hurting people, or stealing their stuff.

Socialism can exist under libertarian government, but liberty can not flourish under other systems.

I am more troubled by the unwillingness of Americans to engage in rational debate than I am by the numbers of sociopaths.

1 in 25 is still a small minority and they only have power that we give to them.

john hunt MD

jan7.
No. I post only as myself, using my real name, taking full and sole responsibility for what I post. I think hiding under anonymity is totally fine, however I choose to not do so.

I know nobody else on this site, and I have informed nobody of my writing of this article, nor spread it around. As far as I know, with nobody commenting on this post do I have any professional, social, political or other connection, or any form of knowledge. I am impressed that there are so many knowledgeable in the field. That’s great!

You do have an incorrect view of libertarians. They do NOT want control over citizens. That notion is simply false. They just don’t want ‘citizens’ to control them!

As for using my title being narcissistic in your mind, well, it’s not my post name, it is my real name, and it is the name I use as an author. Incorporating MD into my name allows other people named John Hunt to not be accosted for for whatever I may write. It is open, and honest to include it. I don’t want the poor guy who first climbed Mt. Everest to be blamed for what I write, just because we share a name.

This posting may not be for you at this time of your life.

Jan7

dr hunt, it’s very complexing that you are pushing your Libertarian agenda on here. very complexing.

AnonymosaFurtivo, I would highly recommend that you watch the videos at the top of this site & read everything at the top to figure out if your husband meets the traits. But honestly it does not matter if he fits the traits you know in your gut something is not right with him because you found this site to figure things out about your relationship with him. He is abusing you. I would also recommend that you contact your National domestic violence hotline to talk with a free counselors and also go to your local abuse center for free counseling and women group meetings. It would also be wise to find an outside counselor who is extremely knowledgeable with narcissist abuse to help you sort out what you have been enduring in your relationship.

Follow your gut!!

Search on love fraud at the top and on the net also:

gas lighting abuse

no contact rule

Read Donna Andersons’s book (Lovefraud creator) and her book recommendation located at the top under Book Store also Women who love psychopath by Sandra Brown is one my counselor gave me to read well worth the money.

Once you are educated on sociopathic abuse you will see that 1 sociopath out of 25 people is high and very scary. They are pure evil and will do anything and everything to destroy their victims. Think about this every class you sat in during school had at least 1 sociopath/psychopath in the classroom. Every time you walk in a building and there are 25 people standing in the building you are standing with a sociopath/psychopath. This is a site to discuss abuse at the hands of a sociopath the dialogue is very rational. Once you lived the hell of a sociopath you do not want others pushing their agenda on you, you want to think freely for yourself..so you can see why several of us are questioning the writers motives of placing his post on a site for victims of sociopaths.

If you need help deciding if your spouse is a sociopath you can post your story to Donna and she can posted on the main board for others to share their thoughts…this type of posting is very supportive an none judging. It helps many victims to see the truth about their relationship and to hear story similar to yours.

Wishing you all the best.

20years

You make good points, Slim.

Now, I hesitate to mention this because some will believe it and others will refuse to believe it, but some of our seemingly corrupt leaders are actually “controlled” by others behind the scenes (for example, blackmail). Not saying there aren’t corrupt politicians, but saying that there are sociopaths behind the curtain, scapegoating many of our politicians. Many of whom make seemingly bizarre decisions that only make sense if you realize they are operating under duress and some type of threat. (please ponder this within the context of your own spath relationships and you will better understand what I mean…. “how come she stays with him?” etc. Well, it sometimes is not “all that simple.” Sometimes it is complicated, why she doesn’t “just leave.”)

This can happen to many good and well intentioned people who choose public office for the “right reasons” but without fully grasping the beast. Some of these good people are forced from office after serving only one, short term or leave early “for personal reasons.” I believe that the magnitude of corruption is not fully apprehended by many, and that is part of the (deliberate) deception. So this is intended as food for thought, as we think about why our leaders do not seem to serve the people. Or, they say one thing to get elected, then do the opposite once in office. The deck is stacked heavily against principled leaders.

Having said that, those ideas of yours are good ones. It is just that there are parallels to our own interpersonal relationships with spaths, whereby we may be “good” and have “good intentions” but the evil depravity of our spath partner is so extreme and treacherous, that our good nature alone cannot possibly turn a “force and fraud” situation into one that is mutual, respectful, and for the benefit of good people. And we may make ourselves ill, trying.

It is a parasitic situation. The parasites must be recognized for what they are and removed. Or the host will get sicker and sicker and maybe even die. It will not work to keep trying harder and harder but without recognition of the true root of the problem.

Jan7

20years, absolutely most politicians are being “controlled” including Presidents & Prime Ministers by a behind the curtain puppet master(s).

Who is controlling them in the USA??

All the “Secret societies” such as the Bohemian Grove, Skull & Bones (dates back to the Nazi’s), Bilderburg Society and billionaire such as the Koch Brothers control these front men & women politicians. Do reach on these secret societies you will see the curtain fall just like a mast of a sociopath falls.

For years the Bohemian Grove (Ronald Reagan for example) really selected the “next” president then the power switched to Skull & Bones secret society (Bush family for example) & Rhodes Scholar (Clinton for example). These secret societies are comprised of the top 1% of the world’s wealthiest. They want to keep the world’s citizens brain washed & mind controlled so they don’t see what is really going on….this is what sociopaths do to their spouses too!!!

People forget that all of these politicians need money to get elected and most of the money comes from big business & very wealthy citizens (billionaires) that have a financial plan themselves but need politicians to pass laws & give govt funding to their agenda.

What better way to get your agenda completed then to buy a few politicians elections. Not saying it’s a payoff but they are given money with a promise they will look after the benefactor once they are in office.

An example is Bush paid back the oil industry for getting him into office by increasing the gas prices & now Obama is paying back his backers the Insurance industry with Obama Care being passed into law. Look at Hilary Clinton and all the future election money she/bill have channeled through their foundation from govt’s around the world…she has a lot of paybacks to give back should she be elected and not to the US citizens but to foreign govt’s scary to think about this and her/her financial backers agenda…this is not in the favor of USA citizens but is for all of the wealthy money they were given to get elected.

If people think in America that your vote matters you are mistaken…just look at the Al Gore/Bush election year (hanging Chad)….Al Gore had the popular vote meaning most American’s voted for him but Bush won electoral votes (which is our system) giving Bush the Presidency. When you do a search on who is in the “electoral college” you can find a list of a few states but there are other states that by law they do not have to disclose who in on their electoral college committee (sneaky!!). Are these electoral college members being bought too just like a politician?

If you look at China a communist country…they have no voting system meaning their citizens do not go to the polls to vote….their board of officers for the country pick the next ruling person. If you step back & truly look at the USA system it’s much like China’s system on a limited view…meaning our electoral college selects the President not the citizens we just think we are making a difference with our vote…another behind the curtain moment being exposed.

This is why now that I am educated that I can see the parallel of what my ex h sociopath did to me and what these politicians are doing to the world citizens to control them and keep them in the dark. But for me the mask has slipped not only on my ex but also the world sociopaths thanks to sites like Lovefraud & books. A bit of the “Matrix movie” has opened my mind.

slimone

Jan 7,

Wow! So true. My therapist, many years ago, brought this to my attention. At the time I was too overwhelmed with my personal spathy problems, and filed it away. But she was talking about the same things, that our political system is, by definition, narcissistic. It pretends to be one thing, but is actually completely another. Hiding behind a mask of inclusiveness, but generally exclusive (for the monied, by the monied).

The electoral college process is a sham. Campaign financing is corrupt. And most people drawn to the ‘bigger’ offices cannot help but fully participate in the corruption.

When we take our personal experiences and fan them out beyond our own reality we can see so many parallels, so many examples. Most people think I am being conspiratorial or paranoid when I try to talk about this stuff”..nice to be talking about it here on LF, whatever our ‘political’ beliefs/party affiliations are, there are parallels that cannot and should not be ignored.

Slim

Jan7

Slimone, once you have been in the sociopaths hell…crawl out…find Lovefraud…you end up with one of the keys to understanding how this planet really operates.

Funny thing my ex was obsessed with the movie The Matrix…he would watch the video every night…at the time I was so broken down by him that I did not fully understand the movie….LOL…it’s exactly what I was living…oppression by him to control my mind so that he could prevent me from leaving but more importantly having a good life.

there are times that I wish that I was still in the dark about how this planet works… I knew back before my ex that their was bad (evil) but now I know how pure evil sociopaths/psychopath really are in this world and sadly how much damage they do to destroy their victims entire life and sadly no one really gets it unless you have been a victim of one. There is no education in school…WHY!?! there should be….I would have understood my gut instinct when meeting my ex & would have avoid him had I been educated in school.

Makes you wonder what really happened in Bill Clinton’s Presidency (he’s definitely fits the bill of a sociopath maybe psychopath) and all the other narcissist/sociopathic presidents & prime ministers. I try to explain this to my family/friends but like you have experienced they don’t want to open their minds to the reality of this world. It’s good to connect with others like you on LF to discuss these topics like you stated.

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

Jan7
Agree, esp with your last paragraph.

Additionally, all these people go along with the sociopathy in government. They just don’t see there’s a problem. It is hard to see when there is no conflict.

But like with my husband, as long as I was in agreement with his plans/manipulations, gee, life was pretty okay. But… when I had a different perspective, objected to his immorality, then life got very rough and his mask came off, and I saw how we were never partners afterall. I was merely the tool he used to take advantage of me and OTHERS for HIS benefit.

There are LOTs of people who think my husband was great… and only those who came into conflict/disagreement with him learned the truth… that they were being controlled and dominated by a monster.

Yep. Parallels of what I see is happening in this world, where politicians are keeping citizens in the dark to control them. Giving us the choice between two evils is still NOT A REAL CHOICE. I voted for a Pres who said he’d have a transparent government… and then came the bill(Law) that “had to be passed FIRST in order for us voters/citizens to know what was IN the bill (Law), which of course by then, was too late. Sociopathic logic, just like my ex husband and his smiling joke as he said, “Me Lie? With My Honest Face?!!”

Other countries governments are doing the same spin, not just happening here. I do feel as helpless in the world as I did when I was married. I left him. How do we get out of control of institutionalized sociopathy.
ps I guess it was you who wrote their observation of Ron Paul. Yes, he always brought up the creep factor for me, his arrogance and dismissiveness …. he was so patronizing and superior…only Parts of what he said was libertarian, the rest was ego centric. Yuck and awwwcckkkkk.

Jan7

Notwhathesaidofme, YES Ron Paul is very very creepy!!! that is a BIG RED FLAG to me!! I say now always Follow your gut when it comes to people…first impressions lasting impressions like the old saying goes. Bill Clinton is creepy too and Hilary seems to be a step ford wife now like the original movie Stepford wife from the 70’s.

I was pondering the other day to the Monkey/Ape world have sociopaths? Scientist state that we are close to the DNA of them…makes you wonder.

My ex h too…he was the life of the party…unless he did not pay you your pay check (his employees) etc then they would get a glimpse into my world with him. People would often say to me who did business with him that I was a “Saint” not that I am but those are the people that knew exactly who he was…at the time I was so broken down that it was a blessing when someone made that statement because they knew what I was dealing with..they saw me and my hell that I was living.

Once your mind opens up from the brain washing like everyone is stating you see all of the parallels in all life.

I stopped voting the last election…I see reality with our govt after divorce court.

Such a crazy world…makes you wonder what it all means..is this it or is there something after this life…hopefully a better none sociopath/psychopath world for all of us good people 🙂

20years

Jan7,

If only more people could see things this clearly. But five years ago, I could not. I was on my way to understanding, due to sorting through the spath experience. It is a gradual connecting of the dots. Then, one day, maybe things suddenly jump into focus. Gaining “spath awareness” helps greatly to break through the fog or the Matrix.

Thank goodness for the internet — it is now so much more possible for everyone to research these things for themselves. Mostly what I hear from people (and I say this myself to people) is, yes I know this sounds bizarre and unpleasant, offensive, scandalous, ridiculous, even unbelievable, so don’t take MY word for it — do your OWN research and see what you discover! Then get back to me. 🙂

It is not at all desired, to argue with uninformed people. That gets no one anywhere good. But hope instead to spark some interest, so maybe people will start to look into things for themselves and seek truth with an open mind and heart. It is not difficult to do, these days. I try to drop clues. But it is up to each individual, how far and whether (or not) to pursue.

AnonymosaFurtivo

I am very sorry and apologize if the topic of liberty seems political or insensitive.

It has been personally healing for me, but I feel like it is hurtful to people who are still trying to recover from abuse and trauma, and are not in a place to think about it.

I really don’t think the author’s intention was to be mean or manipulative. Liberty is an important message, and we want everyone to hear it. Sorry if the timing is off for you right now.

Liberty is a beautiful abstract concept. I highly endorse it. However, those who do not have the means that I have enjoy less liberty than I do, and that’s not abstract at all, it’s an empirical fact.

slimone

20 years,

Totally agree. I was thinking those same things myself. There are parallels in all aspects of life, to our own experiences with spaths. I agree there are likely a multitude of people being coerced, bullied, and blackmailed by the spathy-types in high positions, and if they fight back they are the one’s labeled ‘crazy’.

You are right on”the root of the problem needs to be recognized and a tangible process put in place to minimize or eliminate it. BIG JOB!!! As we well know.

20years

slimone,

The more I think about this “big picture” (i.e. the “BIG JOB”), the more I think that clues to solving it come from pondering such things as codependency and anti-bullying research.

But above all, the first order of business is “sociopath awareness” — as in,

1. no, everyone does NOT have some “good” in them (evil does exist; sociopaths do exist)
2. how evil operates: through deception (not all that appears “good” is actually good!)
3. what evil wants: utter annihilation of the “self” of individuals in order to subjugate and rule over. The more abject the subjugation, the better (according to the sociopath)

How??? In the name of empirical reality, please tell me how we are to weed out sociopaths, when, as a SOCIETY, we can’t stop anyone from enjoying their own ‘”liberty” until AFTER they have victimized someone else? Someone more VULNERABLE?
Maybe you’re making a valid point, but I don’t understand what, in the real world, you think should be done?? If you have an idea about a tangible process, I would love to hear it.

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

20years
Good observations in your post. It is a parasitic situation. WE recognize the parasitic nature but look how hard it was for us to come to grips with the true nature of sociopathy. WE KNOW about sociopathy now but… people who’ve never dealt with it FAIL to realize the depth of its EVIL destruction. We don’t even have to have secret societies, it can just be those who have their own hidden agenda that leads them to make decisions for the “greater good” of 51%, and not seeing the plight of the 49% who pay the price. It feels I’m caught in the current of an ever faster flow of water, and I don’t have enough strength/power to stop the tide.

No wonder people hope that a alien race somewhere out in the universe will stop man from destroying humanity. No wonder GOD wiped man from the earth, save Noah and his family.

The “greater good” advocates reminds me of this….
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

20years

NotWhatHeSaidofMe,

Totally agree about “greater good.” It is absolutely absurd, when an outside group of people is making decisions to rob from one person to give to another. That is meddling. That is controlling.

There should be no “greater” in “good.” There should just be “good.”

Sacrifice is good and a beautiful thing, if it is done voluntarily and with fully informed consent (which is a very deep concept actually). Then it is an offer from the heart.

If it is coerced, then it is theft and if it is done in the name of “greater good” that is a perverted manipulation designed to rob us of our human goodness. Then it is a heart wounding and a product of evil.

Imara

NotWhatHeSaidOfMe…That post of yours really defines greater Good!!!!!
Socialists and Non Socialists
Trade Union Members and NONs
Jews and Gentiles
People of all
Color Creed and Faith!!!
ie Normal human beings!!!!
In Shakespeare’s play ‘Merchant Of Venice’ there is a lovely speech by Shylock which starts with “I am a Jew”
At the end of the day what defines us as human is kindness giving and compassion. When those are lacking we say the individual is disordered. The greater good has to be decided by policy and effective implementation of policies that impact all citizens positively. Is that a Utopian idea? I do not believe so. WE Survivors know that people should be judged by actions and not by words.
And 20years, in the US we are not ruled by outsiders who make decisions for us. We vote those people into office. They represent us…or are supposed to. The Good part gets sabotaged by bribery, lobbies with great financial resources and by people who forget that their job is to create a better social and economic country for ALL. Ethnocentrism exists in all human cultures. The greater good would involve evolving as a species to really understand that we ARE all connected. Whats good for the goose should be good for the Gander.

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

Thank you Imara
I am so glad you get the example of how oppressive the theory of the “greater good” is. (I am so glad my words were not twisted.)

All my life, the worst abuse was done by people who thought themselves so “good” that they refused to see the consequences of their behavior in reality destroyed the lives of the vulnerable who did not want their intercession.

“Greater Good” is not evolution, it’s oppression by the arrogant who think themselves so infallible that intent matters more to them than actual consequences…. “Greater good” is NEVER chosen by those who make up the sacrificed group, it’s forced on the vulnerable who make rules for others that they would never submit to for themselves… and then expect the damaged to be grateful to them for their oppression.

Once upon a time, I tried to explain to a “greater Good” proponent the difference between Compassion and empathy. She never did get it. Then I realized, it’s because she was unable to feel empathy, and no explanation was possible. We know what missing empathy means.

“Greater good” compassion is not a substitute for empathy but it does explain why these type don’t comprehend the oppression of their policy and why they think themselves so “good” to do that to vulnerable people who are helpless to stop them.

“greater good” requires abandonment of a percentage of the population so that the “greater” can benefit… and thus “greater good” does not embrace that “we are all connected”… thus my reference to the famous Niemöller quote, which of course was his poem about the “greater good” policy implemented by the Nazis.

Thank you for understanding and not changing the meaning of my words, that every time a group of people are sacrificed so that others benefit, eventually those glad for the “benefits” of “the greater good” have no one to stand up for them.

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

@edit
“Greater good” is NEVER chosen by those who make up the sacrificed group; it’s forced on the vulnerable sacrificed group by powerful others who created the very rules that they (the greater good) would never submit to for themselves.”

20years

Imara, I’m not sure what you are trying to say, exactly. I would like to understand. Is it that individuals cannot be counted upon, of their own volition, to take care of each other through kindness, giving and compassion; therefore we must have rulers to make and implement policies, that these rulers we ostensibly choose are supposed to be the creators and enforcers of a certain kind of society that has something kind of one size fits all, decided upon by these rulers, that is supposed to work for everyone, without any special interests allowed (including any lobbying groups whatsoever)? Or did I twist your meaning? If so, please clarify.

Basically, I think the greater good means things like (but not necessarily limited to) access to food, education and healthcare, even for those people who may not have the means to acquire it for themselves.

Imara

Yes mustard that’s exactly my point!!
20years yes….I do think you misunderstood me. I do believe that the greater good becomes possible because human kind as a whole has evolved through cooperation rather than through conflict. My kids went to a private school but I still willingly paid (more than just property taxes that are mandated) for our public education, volunteered in a program that allowed underprivileged kids in the school district to apply competitively to good universities and basically did that because I know that each kid that succeeds makes the place I live in better. Did that in the interest of the larger or greater good.
In this whole discussion I believe we forget that we can catch more flies with honey than we can with vinegar. Psychopaths use this to derail the normal process of societal interaction. my real point in all this then is that the Libertarian path is not going to be an answer. There may not be easy answers. However I think that we can all get by with a little help from others.

I dispute that the all the suffering of the poor and less fortunate is caused by sociopathy. To be sure, it is rampant in government, but if a person is born into a family of (let’s say) below average intelligence, there is no way that person can support themselves or a family. If they can’t aspire to making much more than minimum wage, how on earth can they be independent? If they can’t acquire an education and such, what do they do??

john hunt MD

I do hope that a family with below average intelligence isn’t going to be unable to support themselves. Half the families on the planet have below average intelligence! And what IS intelligence, after all? There are so many kinds of intelligence. Some who do poorly in school have excellent ability to distinguish good from bad, while highly intelligent academics may not be able to intellectually decipher good from bad. Some with low IQ’s on testing may have astounding emotional intelligence, or excellent insight into themselves (another form of intelligence). Or they may know soil, or fish.

But the point you are probably asking is this: how does someone who has absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to offer in trade, survive or thrive? How does someone who is disabled and entirely unable to produce anything get by? These are excellent questions. Such people are not common. But they certainly exist. And because they have no way to survive independently, they MUST rely on reliable other people. Friends, family, charitable acquaintances, charitable non-acquaintances, etc. I trust such voluntary, family, charitable organizations to do such things much more than I trust government. Those who have no family, no friends, no acquaintances? What of those? There is only voluntary charity from more distant people left perhaps? Or forced “charity” by a government that isn’t particularly reliable? The number of people truly disabled is small, and Americans are remarkably charitable people. And those who think Americans as a whole aren’t sufficiently charitable voluntarily, instead of forcing them to be more “charitable”, should consider the much more honorably tactic of volunteering more of their own time and treasure.

We will always have the poor, because the definitions of economic poverty change as standards of living increase. Royalty of 200 years ago were horribly impoverished compared to the poor of today, in terms of entertainment, health care, indoor plumbing, electricity, and many others. The definitions of poverty shift constantly. Poverty in the US is NOTHING like poverty in West Africa. There is no comparison. The shifting definitions do not mean that poverty doesn’t exist. It means that we need to be careful in our wars on poverty to be thoughtful and principled in our battles, because the battles will ALWAYS be there, and if we fight them with unprincipled means, we will become increasingly unprincipled people.

We will always have the poor, because somebody always has to be on the bottom.

Redefining ‘poor’ does not address the problem

And are we talking about the whole planet?

And “voluntary charity from more distant people perhaps?” Perhaps not.

And I think that discussions of royalty from distant eras is irrelevant.

AnonymosaFurtivo

His point is that royalty used to live worse than how poor people live today because being poor is subjective.

If you gave everyone a million dollars some would blow it all on junk, others would give to charity, and some would invest it wisely and make another million. That is because inequality is not an objective problem that needs to be fixed but simply the reality that we are all different.

It’s utopianism to think that you can create a world where everyone is virtuous and nobody will suffer.

The reality is we have to make the best of what we have and freedom is the best we have come up with yet because it alleviates suffering and provides the best quality of life for the most people. This is proven reality. Hypothetical justifications for statism are unfounded.

Again, respectfully, royalty did not live worse than we do now. Adjusted for inflation and an ever more complex society, royalty has usually been privileged to live just fine according to the standards of their day.

john hunt MD

Mustard55, I will have to disagree with you. royalty of the past did not live better than we do today by standards that most progressives value–health care, education, public health, environmental cleanliness, and many others. Nor by things that libertarians value–liberty, peace, honesty, integrity, voluntarism, pursuit of health care, infant mortality improvement, etc. I was comparing not to standards of their day, but directly comparing royalty of the past to the poor of today. The poor are wealthier today than the royalty of the past by a profusion of measurements (but not all yardsticks, of course).

The point being that poverty is relative, and it changes. There is no clear goal line that we will attain in overcoming poverty. Therefore it is particularly important to stay moral in the battle against poverty or we will inculcate into the generations the acceptability of immorality.

Moral/principled to a libertarian importantly means “no initiation of force or fraud” by humans against humans.

AnonymosaFurtivo

I agree with you that not all suffering is from sociopathy. I was hugely over simplifying in order to make the point that this article is very relevant to the discussion of sociopathy.

You are describing all the same problems that are very troubling to all of us.

But to say that government provides the best health care is to ignore that the US healthcare system has been taken over by government regulators and insurance companies.

To say government provides the best education is to ignore the failure of public schools and the great success of school choice.

To say that raising the minimum wage helps the poor ignores the much larger problem of inflation, which is a tax on the poor. Wages can not keep up with the rate of inflation.

To say the “government provides” ignores the reality that government doesn’t produce ANYTHING. It takes. And then it creates a huge bureaucracy of middle men to distribute resources which free people are capable of doing themselves, and more efficiently, with more leftover for the poor and needy.

Spontaneous order may not be perfect, but it generally works a lot better than central planning.

Show me an example of how free markets hurt people and I will show you that your complaint is not with capitalism, but with the regulators who want to control the markets.

20years

This is a great question, worthy of much careful thought. The way you worded it is interesting, “what do THEY do?” (emphasis on the struggling person themselves, perhaps working to solve their own problem, as opposed to “what do WE do about this?” which would be our swooping in to rescue)

I would suggest that the answer to your hypothetical question about a hypothetical disadvantaged family would be solved INDIVIDUALLY. Each family or person might solve it differently, depending upon individual circumstances. A one-size-fits-all solution would not bring about the best possible outcomes and might in many cases prevent the best possible outcome from being achieved, on an individual basis. It would remove the rights of the individuals to find the solution which best fits their own personal circumstances.

But taking the focus off the poor below average intelligence person in your example, let’s turn right around and place some focus on some of the societal contributing factors. This is where considering that unrecognized and disregarded sociopathy in government and business might play a factor in that individual’s plight. I’m certain it does. Though as you say, and I agree, not ALL the suffering is caused by sociopathy.

So I think the solution lies in a couple of places: one, empower the individual to solve their own problems, and two, spread sociopathy awareness among the population so that we will go to the root of the problem and not a bandaid.

In my hypothetical example, empower them exactly how?

20years

mustard55, I will gladly get back to you later this evening! 🙂 I love this question. But I have to leave the computer for a few hours.

Jan7

Here is a good example of a sociopath political friendly with another sociopath…this article is on the net not sure the origin of the article.

Subject: Fwd: INTERESTING! (small world)

He is Edward “Ed” Mezvinsky, born January 17, 1937.

Then you’ll probably say, “Who is Ed Mezvinsky?”

Well, he is a former Democrat congressman who represented
Iowa’s 1st congressional district in the United States House
of Representatives for two terms, from 1973 to 1977.

He sat on the House Judiciary Committee that decided
the fate of Richard Nixon.

He was outspoken saying that Nixon was a crook and a
disgrace to politics and the nation and should be impeached.

He and the Clintons were friends and very politically
intertwined for many years.

Ed Mezvinsky had an affair with NBC News reporter
Marjorie Sue Margolies and later married her after his wife
divorced him.

In 1993, Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky, then a freshman
Democrat in Congress, cast the deciding vote that got
President Bill Clinton’s controversial tax package through
the House of Representatives.

In March 2001, Mezvinsky was indicted and later pleaded
guilty to 31 of 69 counts of bank fraud, mail fraud, and
wire fraud.

***Ed Mezvinsky embezzled more than $10 million dollars from
people via both a Ponzi scheme and the notorious Nigerian
E-mail scams.

He was found guilty and sentenced to 80 months in
federal prison.

After serving less than five years in federal prison,
he was released in April 2008 and remains on
federal probation.

To this day, he still owes $9.4 million in restitution to his
victims.
About now you are saying, “So what!”

Well, this is Marc and Chelsea Mezvinsky.

That’s right; Ed Mezvinsky is Chelsea Clinton’s father-in law.

Now Marc and Chelsea are in their early thirties and purchased
a 10.5 million dollar NYC apartment
(after being married in George Soros’ mansion).

Has anyone heard mention of any of this in any of the media?
If this guy was Jenna or Barbara Bush’s,
or better yet, Sarah Palin’s daughter’s
father-in- law, the news would be an
everyday headline and every detail would
be reported over and over.

And yet say there are no double standards in political reporting.

And people are already talking about Hillary as our next President!

And then there is possibly Chelsea for president in our future!

The cycle never ends! Lying and corruption seem to
make Democrat candidates more popular.

When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
~~ Thomas Jefferson

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter
and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
~ ~Abraham Lincoln

Good old partisan politics, I see

With all due respect, Abraham Lincoln could not have foreseen the very real threats to America from outside.

Stargazer

How does the fact that sociopaths can be found in all walks of life and all political parties negate the libertarian philosophy? There are a fair number of sociopaths who call themselves Christians. Does this negate Christianity? Or mean we can’t discuss Christianity here? I certainly understand being wary and skeptical of people, even people here on LF. After my incident with the spath, I trusted no one. But a philosophy? How do you mistrust a philosophy? The fact that we are all human means we are all going to fail in some way or other trying to live up to our standards. But that doesn’t negate the standards, does it? Why throw out the baby with the bathwater? What does that accomplish except to say, “I give up, there’s nothing that can be done because power will corrupt everyone, and politicians are all evil.” How is this thought constructive, unless we move to an island where we can isolate ourselves and live off the grid? Or just give up and constantly complain about the way things are?

I believe in my heart that it is wrong to try and force the “American way of life” as our government sees it on other countries and especially to use force to do so. Therefore, I must say I like the idea of “live and let live”; it reminds me very much of the prime directive in Star Trek – The Next Generation. I like the libertarian philosophy very much. I never knew anything about it, but find myself nodding at the concepts because they describe how I feel. They are just concepts. They are not people. But when a core number of people start to adopt a new concept, it can spread in the mass consciousness.

I wonder if it is possible to discuss the pure philosophy separate and apart from individuals who may or may not abuse power in their respective political parties? It is my belief that the more we can simply think about and discuss what what we feel is good and right, and how we envision our ideal society, the closer we are to bringing these ideals and visions to life.

I can’t speak for others, but my gut instinct tells me that Dr. Hunt does not stand to gain any power or accolades if we agree with him, nor does he get paid off to post this. The way I interpret his article is that he is asking us to consider a different form of government that is counter to what we have always known. He is asking us to think outside the box, and perhaps a little more constructively and optimistically. Whether or not there will be sociopaths hiding behind this philosophy….well, that’s a given. They are everywhere.

It is my undying belief, in spite of all I have been through with sociopaths, narcissists, and other disordered people who have betrayed me, that it is possible to live in a kinder, gentler world. However, this world doesn’t just “happen” to us. We have to create it. We start with changing how we think. When our thoughts become kinder and gentler, our world can become so.

And how will we resolve it when we have “isolated ourselves and live off the grid” and internal conflicts arise?

Stargazer

Thank you for asking this question, mustard55. I wasn’t pointing that out as a path to happiness. I was saying that it is a way to avoid world politics – by isolating oneself on an island. I was speaking almost metaphorically.

Avoiding world politics seems a little irresponsible and self-serving., speaking as a citizen of the world.

Stargazer

This is not at all what I was suggesting, and I’m sorry if you misunderstood my post. I tried to explain it afterward, but I don’t know if I will be understood that time, either. I think the medium of a written forum leaves so much room to be misunderstood.

NotWhatHeSaidofMe

stargazer
My time with my ex taught me a life lesson:
Whether or not you get heard depends a LOT on whether the other person is seeking to understand or whether instead, they are seeking to WIN by twisting the meaning of your words.

It’s not MIScommunication, it’s REFUSAL to communicate.

No matter how many times I asked my husband, I’d beg him…”I’m not asking you to agree with me, I just want you to understand what I am saying.”

There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT (refuse to)see.

20years

Yes!!!! Stargazer,

I’m pleased to see that you brought up Christianity in this thread, for several reasons but will just alight on one for the moment. This is in relation to what you said about believing in your heart that it is wrong to try and force the “American way of life” on other countries….

I have a lifelong friend whom I love very much, who is very liberal and there is a lot of overlap on our viewpoints but this is one sticking point. She is an agnostic-atheist/secular humanist. She says (and I agree) that it is “wrong” for missionaries to go abroad and wipe out native cultures, even though it is very well meaning. It is short-sighted and ignorant and eradicates foreign ways of doing things, which once lost (generationally) might not ever be recovered. An example is here in our own land where Native American Indian cultures were systematically wiped out through disease, removal from their heritage lands, and loss of language and culture. So I wholeheartedly agree with her. Yet, when it comes to our “exporting Democracy” to other countries, she cannot get beyond her liberal bias, and believes this is a good thing, due to the oppressed people and how we must go in there to “help.”

My viewpoints on offering help to others are that it is OK for me to offer, and it is OK for them to refuse. I may set the terms of what I am willing and able to offer, and they may negotiate with me. If we can come to an agreement, then we have a deal. But I cannot force my “help” on others — that is wrong. And a better way for me to help is to ask if they even want my help. Then, if they say hes, to ask, what kind of help do you need? How do you think I can help you? To allow them to determine this for themselves. That is far more respectful. Rather than my arrogantly deciding 1) that they need and want help, and 2) what form that help is going to take, and 3) not listening to their feedback, but me making all of the decisions about their welfare for them.

Stargazer

Hear hear, 20 years. And then we wonder why so many countries hate Americans.

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