Clearly the LoveFraud community, better than anyone, can testify to the reality of sociopaths and the damage they can inflict on others.
Sociopaths exist. That is inarguable. The sociopath is someone, as we know, with a grossly deficient respect for the integrity and boundaries of others; someone who sizes others up principally as assets to be exploited for his or her own whims and needs. The sociopath is a remorseless user and taker.
At the same time, I think it’s worth noting that sociopathy, in general, makes for sensational copy, as a result of which estimations of its incidence in the general population are at risk, I would argue, of being dubiously, irresponsibly inflated.
Martha Stout, for instance, in her formerly bestselling The Sociopath Next Door, an otherwise rather unoriginal (in my view) layman’s introduction to sociopaths, capitalizes and, I suggest, exploits a spicy subject by suggesting that as much as 4% of the general population may meet criteria for sociopathy.
It’s unclear exactly how Stout derives her figure, but it strikes me (at best) as questionable, and more likely, as reckless. Certainly it’s in Stout’s interest, as an author, to sensationalize sociopathy, the better for her book sales. And a good way to do this, indisputably, is to suggest bloated numbers of sociopaths’ existence.
Four percent of the general population? Stout is suggesting that as many as one in 25 people with whom we cross paths may be sociopaths?
Even Robert Hare, Ph.D, the noted psychopathy researcher, estimates that upwards of 1% of the general population meets his very stingent criteria for psychopathy (psychopathy, in Hare’s terms, being synonymous with sociopathy). Compared to Stout’s figure, Hare’s seems much more reasonable. But even 1% strikes me as somewhat high.
These estimates suggest, for instance, that basically at any random gathering—in church, synagogue, a high-school basketball game, or town council meeting, you name it—we are likely to be sitting in proximity to a true sociopath, if not several?
It also suggests that, in the course of a day, or week, we’ll have crossed paths, if not rubbed elbows with, multiple sociopaths? Day after day, week after week, we are consistently crossing paths, if unknowingly, with sociopaths?
I struggle with this view, as someone who has clinically worked (and not irregularly, works) with sociopathic individuals.
My own gut, clinical and life experience leaves me suspicious that, as real and mumerically prevalent as sociopaths are, there is one sitting in every classroom on back to school night, and several in attendance at every school play?
As a matter of fact, I think possible exaggerations of the incidence of sociopathy do an injustice to the victims of real sociopaths. Nowadays, it’s common for anyone who deals with an insensitive, manipulative jerk to call that person a sociopath. You hear the label sociopath being permissively applied, in my view, to a wide range of people to whom it doesn’t accurately apply.
There has been a confusing, in my view, of sociopathy with other disorders, like narcissistic and borderline. Within personal relationships acts of aggressiveness, passive-aggressiveness, selfishness and abusiveness are now routinely (and liberally) ascribed to the offending partner’s sociopathy, as if a host of other explanatory sources of these problem-behaviors barely merits consideration.
Some individuals with borderline personality disorder, for instance, are capable of vengeful, cold-blooded behavior when they feel emotionally abandoned. A good example of a film portrayal of a borderline personality is Glenn Close’s performance in Fatal Attraction. Close could easily be misdiagnosed as a sociopath given her demonstated—and sociopathic-like—capacity for chilling, ruthless vengeance. But her desperation, and her rage stemming from her desperation, is a borderline personality tendency that better explains her calculated viciousness.
I’ve worked often with spouses of narcissistic personalities, who feel inordinately entitled to having their sensitivities and demands met. Narcissists will tend to react with an unsavory combination of contempt, rage, passive-aggressive and/or aggressive relatiation when disappointed (which is constantly). Often I’ll hear the spouses of such personalities refer to them as sociopaths, when their partners’ disturbance is more often related to narcissism than sociopathy.
My point, please don’t misunderstand me, isn’t to question the prevalence of true sociopathy—merely its estimated incidence as proposed by some experts. As a matter of fact, it’s highly unlikely that your next door neighbor is a sociopath, yet the title of Stout’s book would have you virtually anticipate this possibility.
Make no mistake, there are many ways that neighbors can makes themselves our nightmares without being sociopaths. When I lived in Mill Valley, CA in 2000, we had a neighbor who threw (I’m not kidding) a large, dead rat over the fence separating our properties into our backyard as I played catch with my lab. The rat landed with a sickening thud in front of my left foot, just as I about to make another heave of the frisbee. My courageous response, naturally, was to shriek like a terrified three year old.
This was just the latest in a series of hostile actions this neighbor took to express his displeasure with our existence. Was he a sociopath? I’m sure I called him one, and was convinced he was, but he probably wasn’t. He might have been a sociopath, that’s certainly possible; but as creepy as his action (and he) was, I’d hedge my bets that another problem better explained his belligerence. Maybe paranoia? Maybe some malignant form of acted-out narcissism? I’ll never know.
I do know that if this ever happens to me again—a rat’s being thrown into my yard while I’m standing there minding my own business—it will probably be more than my heart can take.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2008 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
I think the BELL CURVE distribution also applies to personality disorders, and with the mean being “normal” (IS there such a thing) and the far right being Psychopaths and the far left being PATSIES. The majority of folks are in the fairly normal range, but there are a few folks who seem to be “patsies” and are frequently picked as victims, and the same is true for the people who tend toward psychopathy of one degree or another and on the “tip end” of the far right of the curve are the Ted Bundies, the John Edwardses and the Chairman Maos and the Hitlers.
The guy in the middle with NO psychopathic traits and NO being a patsy either is a rare bird indeed!
I’m with you Onestep.
I think it’s much higher.
When I think of my exP, he has the traits of EVERY cluster B personality disorder. But when you lump them together, you have a psychopath. Some might call him a borderline, as Steve described above, but then you realize that he was stalking me before I ever met him. He pre-meditated my torture. It only lasted 25 years because I was so tight-fisted with my money and it became a game to him. Plus, I’m REALLY good supply – the best. I should just put it on my business card and make a living at it. – but I digress.
I think that the reason we have a hard time pinpointing the stats is because we still have not been able to pin point what encompasses the disorder. Since they lie and hide their true motives, it’s like a moving target. They aren’t going to tell you their motives or how they feel.
For me, THAT is the definition of a sociopath. It is a hypocrite, someone who hides their true motives. A snake who can alternately use charm and pity and rage to come across as normal. It is that “seeming normal but is the opposite” that makes them a sociopath. It’s the one you would never guess because he blends in, sometimes letting you see some of his other disorders – perhaps the borderline, or the dependant, or the paranoid side. But then he reverts back to “normal” and “charming” so you forgive those little flaws that he showed you.
So how can we know when we have a sociopath? The tell. They always tell you. They love this game. They drop hints.
But not always at first. It could take years. There is another way to tell, the “WTF?” moment. You feel that in your gut. Then there is just the feeling of being prey. When they are in stalking mode, you feel it, it’s an ethereal feeling coming from seemingly out of nowhere. When I was 18 my life seemed perfect but I had a feeling that something terrible was going to happen. I remember this distinctly. And I’ve read that this is not unusual, for people to feel strangely uncomfortable when life is perfect, so I wrote it off to that – my own neurosis. Well now we know better don’t we. Perhaps the truth is that, that feeling of neurosis is coming from the sociopath next door – or in your living room.
Is a jerk always disordered?
Who cares?
A jerk is a jerk and if they are disordered there is even more reason to get the hell away and stay away.
It doesn’t matter if they are business or personal contacts.
The answer is no. And no is a complete sentence.
End of game.
Hey, Silver!!!!
Glad to see you back and YOU ARE RIGHT, “No is a complete sentence!”
Happy TOWANDA! to you!!!! That is our new LoveFraud Holiday greeting! Merry TOWANDA and Happy TOWANDA throughout the new year! LOL
(yea, it was one of our silly Saturday nights when that was come up with, I think One_step was in on it, blame her! LOL)
oh it was so me oxy. the full greeting Silver:
MERRY TOWANDA AND A SPATH FREE NEW YEAR!!!
Thanks One step, couldn’t remember the entire thing so had to wing it…paraphrase! LOL
sky – your characterization of spaths in the wild in your above post is spot on!
particularly struck by: ‘They aren’t going to tell you their motives or how they feel.For me, THAT is the definition of a sociopath. It is a hypocrite, someone who hides their true motives.’
and this is why *I* feel disordered when i try to hide now TO PROTECT MYSELF. i have rarely lied in my life. been as honest as i know ow, both with myself and others. now, i am not. i have things to hide for the first time in my life, don’t trust people and WANT to hide …and for the first time, i feel a compulsion to lie to achieve hiding. I am trying really hard to just not say things when i feel a compulsion to lie. i feel VERY judged and pressured. in my job, it is ALWAYS about what needs to be done – and truly if they had any idea the ENORMOUS amount of work I do, they would freak – but they don’t know – they don’t have ANY experience in my area of work, so they don’t value or understand what goes into it. so , now i have to figure out a way to communicate this WITHOUT becoming so tied up with anxiety that i can’t function or getting defensive.
wow. that was a mouthful.
i am sure that i hide now when i don’t have to – but i can’t figure out what’s appropriate – my sense of what’s kosher and what’s not is all messed up. my business ‘sense’ and people ‘sense’ is off kilter – happened when the axis of my world skewed. my poor, poor heart; in love with a boy that didn’t exist, a boy who suffered, whose life traumatized me, who fake died. ((((((my poor poor poor heart.))))))))))
this is a big step – i went to compassion for myself, instead of anger at the spath, and believe me, i was driving down that road at 80mph for about a couple of seconds.
Dear One,
Telling everyone everything is not a rule we have to abide by. We can keep some things to ourselves. It is OK not to be transparent to everyone. It is called setting boundaries!
PERSON TALKING TO YOU CASUALLY: “Hey One, have you ever been married before?”
YOU THINKING: “I don’t trust you enough to share with you the absolute and complete truth about me, so I will NOT tell you about my sexual orientation or my life history.”
YOU ANSWERING: “No, never jumped the broom. How about those Cubbies?”
PERSON: “are you dating any guys now?”
YOU THINKING: “this chick doesn’t get it but I don’t want to share anything with her.”
YOU ANSWERING: “I’m not dating anyone right now and not interested in dating anyone, too buys with work. Think I have to go mop my floor now, see ya”
YOU THINKING: “Yea, SEE YA, and if I SEE YA FIRST You won’t see me!”
I know that conversation is sophomoric and trite, but people who try to get information out of you about your personal status and you don’t want to share it do NOT DESERVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER….and most of the time they are just nosey or don’t get it, so it doesn’t do any good to tell them ‘NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, STUPID!” and doesn’t make you real popular to respond that way at work. LOL But don’t feel guilty about not telling people everything about you they might want to know.
So quit beating yourself up about “lying” or not “being totally truthful”—it is all just about manners and “social conversation”
Onestep,
it’s almost like this is where you are having trouble with boundaries, like I am. Telling the truth is a “bad habit” for me too. But I guess not everyone is entitled to know everything about us, not even “nice” people.
Maybe what you and I have to get used to is that, like Silvermoon said, “No.” is a complete sentence.
My BF has pointed out that I never just answer the question with yes or no. I give an explanation. Why do I do that? Well I want them to be completely informed and not have any confusion. But really all he wanted was a yes or a no.
more stuff to think about, how much of what we do is just programming to please others….
oxy – no, you’ve missed the point. i am not talking about social graces or not revealing what has happened to me or personal info. i am talking about lying and concealing things.
beating myself up – definitely. but for diff reasons than you suggest.