Clearly the LoveFraud community, better than anyone, can testify to the reality of sociopaths and the damage they can inflict on others.
Sociopaths exist. That is inarguable. The sociopath is someone, as we know, with a grossly deficient respect for the integrity and boundaries of others; someone who sizes others up principally as assets to be exploited for his or her own whims and needs. The sociopath is a remorseless user and taker.
At the same time, I think it’s worth noting that sociopathy, in general, makes for sensational copy, as a result of which estimations of its incidence in the general population are at risk, I would argue, of being dubiously, irresponsibly inflated.
Martha Stout, for instance, in her formerly bestselling The Sociopath Next Door, an otherwise rather unoriginal (in my view) layman’s introduction to sociopaths, capitalizes and, I suggest, exploits a spicy subject by suggesting that as much as 4% of the general population may meet criteria for sociopathy.
It’s unclear exactly how Stout derives her figure, but it strikes me (at best) as questionable, and more likely, as reckless. Certainly it’s in Stout’s interest, as an author, to sensationalize sociopathy, the better for her book sales. And a good way to do this, indisputably, is to suggest bloated numbers of sociopaths’ existence.
Four percent of the general population? Stout is suggesting that as many as one in 25 people with whom we cross paths may be sociopaths?
Even Robert Hare, Ph.D, the noted psychopathy researcher, estimates that upwards of 1% of the general population meets his very stingent criteria for psychopathy (psychopathy, in Hare’s terms, being synonymous with sociopathy). Compared to Stout’s figure, Hare’s seems much more reasonable. But even 1% strikes me as somewhat high.
These estimates suggest, for instance, that basically at any random gathering—in church, synagogue, a high-school basketball game, or town council meeting, you name it—we are likely to be sitting in proximity to a true sociopath, if not several?
It also suggests that, in the course of a day, or week, we’ll have crossed paths, if not rubbed elbows with, multiple sociopaths? Day after day, week after week, we are consistently crossing paths, if unknowingly, with sociopaths?
I struggle with this view, as someone who has clinically worked (and not irregularly, works) with sociopathic individuals.
My own gut, clinical and life experience leaves me suspicious that, as real and mumerically prevalent as sociopaths are, there is one sitting in every classroom on back to school night, and several in attendance at every school play?
As a matter of fact, I think possible exaggerations of the incidence of sociopathy do an injustice to the victims of real sociopaths. Nowadays, it’s common for anyone who deals with an insensitive, manipulative jerk to call that person a sociopath. You hear the label sociopath being permissively applied, in my view, to a wide range of people to whom it doesn’t accurately apply.
There has been a confusing, in my view, of sociopathy with other disorders, like narcissistic and borderline. Within personal relationships acts of aggressiveness, passive-aggressiveness, selfishness and abusiveness are now routinely (and liberally) ascribed to the offending partner’s sociopathy, as if a host of other explanatory sources of these problem-behaviors barely merits consideration.
Some individuals with borderline personality disorder, for instance, are capable of vengeful, cold-blooded behavior when they feel emotionally abandoned. A good example of a film portrayal of a borderline personality is Glenn Close’s performance in Fatal Attraction. Close could easily be misdiagnosed as a sociopath given her demonstated—and sociopathic-like—capacity for chilling, ruthless vengeance. But her desperation, and her rage stemming from her desperation, is a borderline personality tendency that better explains her calculated viciousness.
I’ve worked often with spouses of narcissistic personalities, who feel inordinately entitled to having their sensitivities and demands met. Narcissists will tend to react with an unsavory combination of contempt, rage, passive-aggressive and/or aggressive relatiation when disappointed (which is constantly). Often I’ll hear the spouses of such personalities refer to them as sociopaths, when their partners’ disturbance is more often related to narcissism than sociopathy.
My point, please don’t misunderstand me, isn’t to question the prevalence of true sociopathy—merely its estimated incidence as proposed by some experts. As a matter of fact, it’s highly unlikely that your next door neighbor is a sociopath, yet the title of Stout’s book would have you virtually anticipate this possibility.
Make no mistake, there are many ways that neighbors can makes themselves our nightmares without being sociopaths. When I lived in Mill Valley, CA in 2000, we had a neighbor who threw (I’m not kidding) a large, dead rat over the fence separating our properties into our backyard as I played catch with my lab. The rat landed with a sickening thud in front of my left foot, just as I about to make another heave of the frisbee. My courageous response, naturally, was to shriek like a terrified three year old.
This was just the latest in a series of hostile actions this neighbor took to express his displeasure with our existence. Was he a sociopath? I’m sure I called him one, and was convinced he was, but he probably wasn’t. He might have been a sociopath, that’s certainly possible; but as creepy as his action (and he) was, I’d hedge my bets that another problem better explained his belligerence. Maybe paranoia? Maybe some malignant form of acted-out narcissism? I’ll never know.
I do know that if this ever happens to me again—a rat’s being thrown into my yard while I’m standing there minding my own business—it will probably be more than my heart can take.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2008 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Acck I forgot to add that this is why I like Dr. Leedom’s triangle because, for me anyway, it fits perfectly when looking at the types of cases I listed and trying to differentiate between them.
very few if us are in any position to effect a person’s life by branding them a sociopath, psycho, ant social whatever…cluster b…unless of course we are psychologists/psychiatrists…
few take it serioulsy when we say “they’re psychos” in fact I avoid teh term, instead describe the behaviors…and I think once you’ve been around a psycho you know the difference- they’re not insane, and once the mask slips, or you catch a glimpse, it’s nothing you ever seen before unless of course you’ve known other psychos…
I recently was asked to prove my psycho was/is unfit for a position, nothing I said/experienced matter…lucky for me I track him- so I proved through concrete evidence “he says one thing, does another”
Recognising a psycho is not rocket science.
I often wonder just how many people are in fact sociopaths? As well as how many simple suffer from “some” type of personality Disorder(s)? And still how many more simple suffer because they are controlling people who have a hard time acknowledging that they are in fact “control freaks”?
And I guess my last question to myself would be “how does these statistics come to be reported?”
For me sociopaths are those that are people who show strong traits of being antisocial and are in fact suffer from an Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD).
As for the type of Personality Disorder they have starting with NPD and then ending maybe I guess on Depended Personality Disorder and all those in between..
As for my last question I would “assume” that the Psychology community would be the ones reporting these statistics which only for me brings yet more questions…
What I look for when anyone tells me they “think” a family member ex business partner or lover “might” be a good candidate for being a “sociopaths” is past history. What these people have done in their past relationships to “whoever” give me a clear cut and definitive answer as to how they interact and treat those who should be the closer and dearest to them. Of course the only sure way of knowing if one is indeed a sociopath and/or suffer from some type of personality disorder is to have them get tested. But the very nature of the illness debates this issue because so many of them refuse testing and/or refuse that they have a problem which would warrant them to be tested.
The BEST indicator of future behavior is past behavior.
I’m with Holywater (10/10 9:53 am) when she (?) says:
“I think once you’ve been around a p you know the difference- they’re not insane, and once the mask slips, or you catch a glimpse, it’s nothing you’ve ever seen before unless of course you’ve known other p’s” . . . Recognising a p is not rocket science.”
It’s that “oh, moment” you look for (please correct me if this is not what you meant). To decide if someone may be a s/p I at first follow a rough checklist but then I wait for a gestalt type emotional/mental “click” or “oh, moment.” It is only at that point, if the answer is yes, that I can say ‘yes, that person is a s/p.’ And I agree it is not rocket science, anyone with normal emotional intelligence can do it.
I also agree that to communicate with others you have to concentrate on the s/p’s behavior. The “oh, moment” of recognition is not transferable to others. They have to go through their own emotional/mental processes to get there.
Dr Steve, the process of diagnosing these individuals is an exact science. Most of the literature is totally contradictory – time and time again the experts seem not to be able to CLEARLY distinguish the difference between the disorders in that cluster. We are not imagining this : there is NO consensus at all even on what word should be used to describe them, it really IS a matter of opinion which is SO frustrating to those of us who’ve experienced these individuals first hand and therefore want so badly for these definitions to be more than arbitrary. I feel from my time on this forum, that the definitions are clearer to us than to the experts (with the clear exception of those like Dr Leedom who have studied them AND experienced these people directly). It matters to us more! So-called ‘real’ diagnosis isn’t like diagnosing leukaemia or something where you can count blood cells – it’s in one qualified individual identifying a list of traits that could be applied subjectively. (And in any case, is this process of assigning the horrible traits on the checklist that much more sophisticated or massively different to someone with concrete experiences judging ‘he’s a jerk’?!) But as we’ve all said, we *know* we’ve seen it.
I feel as if many in this forum, like myself, have thought the opposite to what you say – ‘Oh, he’s just a jerk’. As a result we have fallen for manipulation again and the erroneous belief that there ‘is good and bad in everyone’ made us believe that these people could in some way be healed.
I don’t think 1-4% is an exaggerated estimate at all. I think most people on here would feel like screaming when they read any suggestion that it is. It’s in nobody’s interests at all for false information to be out there, but in a world that on the whole fails to acknowledge that these people exist and massively underestimates the threat they present, I think it could be damaging and dangerous to suggest that we’ve in some way overestimated the extent of the problem.
LOL sorry, my first line was meant to say ‘The process of diagnosing these individuals IS NOT an exact science’! Argh! 🙂
YOU GUYS ARE GETTING WAY TOO TECHNICAL FOR ME.
IF YOUR PARTNER IS LYING, CHEATING, STEALING OR NOT TREATING YOU WITH RESPECT. IT’S TIME TO MOVE ON. NO MATTER HOW BAD IT HURTS INSIDE. I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL THEM. I CALL THEM LOOSERS.
I WOULD RATHER BE ALONE AND FEEL LONELY THEN FEEL THE PAIN AND CONFUSION I FELT WITH MY BAD MAN. AFTER HE LEFT I WAS SAD BUT FELT A STRANGE WEIGHT HAD BEEN LIFTED OFF OF MY SHOULDERS. I STILL MORN FOR WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN BUT REALISE NOW THAT IT WAS ALL A LIE.
Pathwhispherer=
Yes, I had that “aha moment” in fact that’s when I said “no more”
It was abrupt, but looking back I see all the other behavior. With new people…I try a d hope not to get close enough to see if the mask slips, I apply the checklists and when I hit a critical number–look for the nearest exit.
They might be easy to spot AFTER we have had our first brush, after we have educated ourselve etc. Until I read Stout and Hare, until I found this sight, I had no IDEA what I was dealing with.
My ex was a white collar P, and abused, lied and cheated by STEALTH, for years. Plenty of people were shocked I could dream of leaving such an upstanding family man etc….porr guy just fell on hard time that all etc.
As, slowly each of them discover that they too have been manipulated and lied to, they refuse to believe he could be so mean and so hollow.
Even then, EVERYONE still believes that my guy will stand by his kids and not screw them over. I say think again.
What I am trying to say is some are pretty blatant, others are not. I am not convinced that I would spot each and every one I meet in the future. Maybe the watchwords should be ” Show me the Empathy”. But even that can be faked.
The idea that there is “good in everyone” is a dangerouse misconconception.