Clearly the LoveFraud community, better than anyone, can testify to the reality of sociopaths and the damage they can inflict on others.
Sociopaths exist. That is inarguable. The sociopath is someone, as we know, with a grossly deficient respect for the integrity and boundaries of others; someone who sizes others up principally as assets to be exploited for his or her own whims and needs. The sociopath is a remorseless user and taker.
At the same time, I think it’s worth noting that sociopathy, in general, makes for sensational copy, as a result of which estimations of its incidence in the general population are at risk, I would argue, of being dubiously, irresponsibly inflated.
Martha Stout, for instance, in her formerly bestselling The Sociopath Next Door, an otherwise rather unoriginal (in my view) layman’s introduction to sociopaths, capitalizes and, I suggest, exploits a spicy subject by suggesting that as much as 4% of the general population may meet criteria for sociopathy.
It’s unclear exactly how Stout derives her figure, but it strikes me (at best) as questionable, and more likely, as reckless. Certainly it’s in Stout’s interest, as an author, to sensationalize sociopathy, the better for her book sales. And a good way to do this, indisputably, is to suggest bloated numbers of sociopaths’ existence.
Four percent of the general population? Stout is suggesting that as many as one in 25 people with whom we cross paths may be sociopaths?
Even Robert Hare, Ph.D, the noted psychopathy researcher, estimates that upwards of 1% of the general population meets his very stingent criteria for psychopathy (psychopathy, in Hare’s terms, being synonymous with sociopathy). Compared to Stout’s figure, Hare’s seems much more reasonable. But even 1% strikes me as somewhat high.
These estimates suggest, for instance, that basically at any random gathering—in church, synagogue, a high-school basketball game, or town council meeting, you name it—we are likely to be sitting in proximity to a true sociopath, if not several?
It also suggests that, in the course of a day, or week, we’ll have crossed paths, if not rubbed elbows with, multiple sociopaths? Day after day, week after week, we are consistently crossing paths, if unknowingly, with sociopaths?
I struggle with this view, as someone who has clinically worked (and not irregularly, works) with sociopathic individuals.
My own gut, clinical and life experience leaves me suspicious that, as real and mumerically prevalent as sociopaths are, there is one sitting in every classroom on back to school night, and several in attendance at every school play?
As a matter of fact, I think possible exaggerations of the incidence of sociopathy do an injustice to the victims of real sociopaths. Nowadays, it’s common for anyone who deals with an insensitive, manipulative jerk to call that person a sociopath. You hear the label sociopath being permissively applied, in my view, to a wide range of people to whom it doesn’t accurately apply.
There has been a confusing, in my view, of sociopathy with other disorders, like narcissistic and borderline. Within personal relationships acts of aggressiveness, passive-aggressiveness, selfishness and abusiveness are now routinely (and liberally) ascribed to the offending partner’s sociopathy, as if a host of other explanatory sources of these problem-behaviors barely merits consideration.
Some individuals with borderline personality disorder, for instance, are capable of vengeful, cold-blooded behavior when they feel emotionally abandoned. A good example of a film portrayal of a borderline personality is Glenn Close’s performance in Fatal Attraction. Close could easily be misdiagnosed as a sociopath given her demonstated—and sociopathic-like—capacity for chilling, ruthless vengeance. But her desperation, and her rage stemming from her desperation, is a borderline personality tendency that better explains her calculated viciousness.
I’ve worked often with spouses of narcissistic personalities, who feel inordinately entitled to having their sensitivities and demands met. Narcissists will tend to react with an unsavory combination of contempt, rage, passive-aggressive and/or aggressive relatiation when disappointed (which is constantly). Often I’ll hear the spouses of such personalities refer to them as sociopaths, when their partners’ disturbance is more often related to narcissism than sociopathy.
My point, please don’t misunderstand me, isn’t to question the prevalence of true sociopathy—merely its estimated incidence as proposed by some experts. As a matter of fact, it’s highly unlikely that your next door neighbor is a sociopath, yet the title of Stout’s book would have you virtually anticipate this possibility.
Make no mistake, there are many ways that neighbors can makes themselves our nightmares without being sociopaths. When I lived in Mill Valley, CA in 2000, we had a neighbor who threw (I’m not kidding) a large, dead rat over the fence separating our properties into our backyard as I played catch with my lab. The rat landed with a sickening thud in front of my left foot, just as I about to make another heave of the frisbee. My courageous response, naturally, was to shriek like a terrified three year old.
This was just the latest in a series of hostile actions this neighbor took to express his displeasure with our existence. Was he a sociopath? I’m sure I called him one, and was convinced he was, but he probably wasn’t. He might have been a sociopath, that’s certainly possible; but as creepy as his action (and he) was, I’d hedge my bets that another problem better explained his belligerence. Maybe paranoia? Maybe some malignant form of acted-out narcissism? I’ll never know.
I do know that if this ever happens to me again—a rat’s being thrown into my yard while I’m standing there minding my own business—it will probably be more than my heart can take.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2008 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Eyes-
Yes, we need boot camp to know them- but now I believe they are easier to see. Or to never even entertain as I stated above, two lies- goodbye!
ps
We also – generally- change ourselves so we may not appear to be/ or be vulnerable.
I think our greatest weapon against the s/p we might be getting to know is time. If they are between relationships they won’t work for too long at building one, and it only takes a few months for the red flags to pop up. Maybe we could extend “tentative commitment” to them but reserve true judgement for a while.
I think it would be better if we all still lived in little villages where you knew everyone and their families back to the third generation. Would be a little harder to fool people that way.
What I was going to post though, is that I’m trying to take stock of the real needs in my life.. and discard some more of the fantasies.
And not just the pretty ones this time. What about this one:
I’m so strong I don’t need anybody in the whole wide world.. bullshit. Or how about.. I don’t need a man, I don’t want a man.. I just love my single life.. bull.. does anyone remember bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh. Loneliness is a BAD thing.
But .. I decided to meet as many of my needs as I can outside a relationship, that way I’ll have more legs to stand on if there are any more nasty surprises in my future.
One other case in point is how did your “relationship” end?
What I mean is that I was in two long term relationships. The first one I married and we were able to communicate to each other. The only problem in that relationship was that I shouldn’t have married her. I was still to immature and still wanted my freedom. The party to blame for this relationship failure was me and my alone. When we both understood that nothing was going to change (me of course) in this relationship we both came to the decision that we should divorce. But no one really (expect of some emotional damage) got hurt and we both just sat down and went thru with the divorce.
Now came my next relationship with my ex P. This one agree to married but then later refuse to keep her promise and we never did marry. Shortly after we started this relationship I saw “behavior” from her that both scare and confused me. I wanted it to end but before I (yes I did try three time but kept allowing her to come back into my life) could she had a child. I always wanted to be a father so I did what I thought was right and stay with her and the child. Thinking maybe having this child it would help give her and me some bearing in our lives allowing us to be who we (I thought) wanted to be in short a family.
Now for me anything change! I wanted to be a father husband and lover. I grow up and saw my responsibility toward my child and her. These were my dreams come true! I started to mature and therefore changed and in a sense grew up…
But nothing change with her. She was still the same person. Someone that lied and manipulated me because I loved my children so much. Someone that never took her responsibility as a mother and lover seriously. We all just became “pretend people” and me the perfect Teddy bear. In short non-existing people. Nothing I mean nothing changed with her. Same old same old P.
The breakup with my P was nothing less then chaos and emotional turmoil for both my children and I. No communication (we never could) No empathy for anyone but herself. As “pretend people” we were expendable. So I now ask myself the question why was this breakup was so different and painful then my other relationship I had with my ex wife? Why all the lies? Why did she feel nothing concerning how we (the children and I) felt as people i.e. a real person? You see the breakup between us only shows me just how different my ex P/S is! Why oh why was this breakup sooooo different then my last one? Well I believe I now have the answer..
One other point concerning my ex P. She has done this (destroying families) not once but twice!! In fact she lost custody of her two other children and was given only supervised visitation. But in the end she just walk away from those two other children as easily as she did with these two.
*And yes she was order by the court to take a psychology test to determine her emotional and mental state of being. So yes she was in fact tested once! I don’t know the results of these test(s) and am not sure if I could get them?
Yes OxDrover!
“The BEST indicator of future behavior is past behavior.”
I couldn’t agree with you more!!!
(expect of some emotional damage)
I mean (except for some emotional short term damage)
Argh!:)
I was at Barnes and Noble this afternoon looking in the psychology section for Hare’s “Without a Conscience” and Stout’s “Sociopath Next Door”….. got the Stout book.. although with two years under my belt of reading and soaking up knowledge about sociopaths, I doubt by now I’d receive any epiphanies, but hey.. who knows….. while there I saw a book that fascinated me… written by a woman who was treated successfully for Borderline personality disorder… the title of the book “Get Me Out Of Here” I only glanced through it and read the forward, but it looked like a good read.. describing her nightmare as someone with bizzare behavior, leading a reckless, blameless life….. I think the key to her success was that she benefited by having a very good therapist who was familar with personality disorders and also her ability to understand and accept that SHE WAS THE PROBLEM and not her husband or others….. Has anyone here read this book?… although BPD is different then sociopathy, isn’t there enough similarities between then to question if one can actually be “cured” of BPD?…… forgive me if this has been answered over and over again….
Southernman,
I don’t know about “cures” for any personality disorder, but I know that some people who have been diagnosed as BPDs have had some success in changing their destructive and violent behavior, whether that is a “cure” or not, I don’t know. Plus, I think there are “levels” of BPD with some not so terrible as others just as there are some Ps that can “function” in society without becoming Charlie Manson. Doesn’t mean they are “nice people” or you would want your daughter to marry one, but they are not total MONSTERS willing to kill.
So it is like saying “what is tall?”what is “warm”—-it is all relative to other things.
You may not get any “ah ha” moments from that book, but you will reinforce and get soem different perspectives on it, and I think that because of the severe damage we have had, we NEED to keep on learning about the sitaution.
Thanks Oxy… I agree… since this “thing” touched my life, I have been obssesed with knowing more…. I think I will go to amazon and order that woman’s book…. I actually wanted to buy Hare’s book, but no copies were there…..
There is a part of me that would like to never think about personality disorders again.. and think about and focus on positive things….. but at the same time… some people when touched by evil in their life, like me and you, it sort of does something to you that compels you to want to “understand” the how’s and why’s of not only them but of yourself….. I still struggle to this day with acceptance that someone who I loved was a person without a soul.. and that goes back to my post on Donna’s blog about that hole in my heart.. that dark spot that just doesn’t seem to heal.. no matter how many times I give it God….. I asked my mother recently “why does it still hurt?.. why does it feel like I lost out on something that should have been great?…. why do I feel like the loser in this?……. Her response was calm and direct….. “Because my son, she wasn’t what she appeared to be”…….and that is the root of it all isn’t it Oxy?
I had a friend over today visiting who is in Security. He has dealt with a lot of P’s. He said he can usually tell by the look in their eye that they’re a P. So I showed him a bunch of pictures of my ex-P. My friend said he couldn’t tell. He said my ex looked just like the guy next door. His eyes seemed to be genuinely smiling and he looked like the nicest guy (which is also how he acted). It was very confusing to me.
So I have a question. Many of you talk about your exes have an evil or vacant stare. Do any of your exes have a kind and sweet look in their eye?
I’m still not gonna second guess myself again. If this guy is not a P, he is still pretty darn crazy and deceitful. Whatever the label, he’s not someone I want in my life.
Dear SG,
The LOOK as I call it is not there 100% of the time, but when they are rage filled, frustrated, angry, etc.
The closest I can come to telling you what it looks like to me is the look that Charlie Manson had in that very famous picture of him staring straight at the camera.
I have seen other pictures of him that were just “anyone,” not a P.
All I can say in words about it is that it is a deep deliberate STARE that is intimidating. LIke someone is thinking of killing you out of hate and rage. But I have photos of my P son when he looks very nice, but the LOOK is something else.