(This article is copyrighted (c) 2012 by Steve Becker, LCSW. The use of male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
“Loyalty” and “the sociopath” are incompatible terms. We’ve discussed many traits of the exploitive personality, but let’s not minimize a very vital one: deficient loyalty. Clearly, deficient loyalty is a sociopathic characteristic.
A deficiency of loyalty can be disguised very well by clever, self-serving rationalizations. But you will not find the case of a true sociopath about whom you will ever be able to say: he (or she) was really, through and through, truly loyal.
Loyal? What does “loyal” mean? It’s actually pretty simple to define: when you are loyal, you “have the backs” of those who’ve “had your back.”
You “have their backs” because you want to “have their backs.” You are glad, if not grateful, for the chance to “have the backs” of those who’ve had yours. This is loyalty. It’s application feels good, and it feels consonant with the loyal individual’s “value system.”
Now, in some cases “loyalty” can lead to corruption. For instance, look at law enforcement: cops, corrections officers, will often “have each others’ backs—”they will often “go down” protecting their own even in scandals where, intellectually, they are well aware that laws were broken (by colleagues and friends), and the public’s trust violated. But they “have each others’ backs,” sometimes stubbornly and illegally. Their loyalty to each other may, in a rather complex way, sometimes contravenes other “values” they may have, such as ethical ones.
In a person of conscience, this may produce real conflict and stress. In someone with a weaker conscience, this may not be the case.
In some cases, the “whistle-blower,” who might “look” more honest and courageous than his seemingly more ethically-challenged colleagues, might be more sociopathic than his “corrupt” counterparts who, in snubbing authority and the law, maintain “the backs” of those who had his (or hers).
I am not judging this phenomenon in any way at all, just pointing out its sometimes complexity.
So “loyalty—”its demonstrations (and abdications)—can encompass serious moral complexity.
This is a case where, of course, not all evidence of disloyalty is a hot red flag of sociopathy, but “disloyalty” is absolutely a feature of the sociopathic personality.
And this is especially true: when “loyalty” becomes inconvenient, now we have something to evaluate. When it’s “inconvenient” to be loyal, watch the disloyal individual (and sociopaths) shed their capacity to “seem” loyal with a variety of disturbing rationalizations, and sometimes without even the need to explain. Watch them, in any case, emerge in their truer colors.
If there is a single quality, in fact—a single, true trait—whose presence alone virtually “rules out” sociopathy, it is arguably “loyalty.”
You simply cannot be “loyal” to those in your life who have been loyal to you—that is, be truly loyal to them even when it’s no longer expedient to be so—and be truly sociopathic.
As I said, true loyalty and true sociopathy are simply incompatible concepts, and will never describe the same individual.
Ox Drover, Thank you for what I also needed to hear. I have been distancing myself from them over the years and cannot give up hope yet on my daughter and grandchildren. I do occasionally get to speak to the grandchildren on the phone and I accidentally spoke to my daughter a few days ago calling my sister at the hotel at M D Anderson. She was cordial and indicated we would through this somehow and said she loves me. I am not pinning too much hope on this but maybe focusing together on helping my sister’s passing and then without my sister poisoning her against me it will improve. I do recognize the ultimate possibility but I must keep trying with my daughter now for the sake of my grandchildren knowing full well that I have to walk the fine line between the devil and the deep blue sea.
Betsy sugar we can’t let our joy and happiness be dependent on other people. We must make ourselves happy. As for your sister and her passing, I don’t know how close you live to her physically, but you can send her cards or some small gift often, or call her and tell her that you are thinking of her or praying for her.
If you do visit, I would suggest that you keep it “short and sweet” and not talk about anything that will bring up someone’s anger or upset, if someone starts to get upset or says anything negative or nasty to you, simply get up and say very sweetly, “Well, I can see it is time for me to run, you guys have a good rest of the day” then TURN AND WALK AWAY and no matter what they say to your back, keep on walking.
That way you are not allowing them to cause a scene because you do NOT respond to anything they say, except by leaving and that won’t give them much if any satisfaction if you just calmly leave. The does not FEED their emotional dysfunction and it keeps you from having your boundaries crossed.
People treat us the way we ALLOW them to treat us. So if you allow them to say ugly things then they get to say ugly things, but if you set a boundary that boundary being “I will not sit around and be spoken to with out respect” and so you SHOW THEM what your boundary is by WALKING CALMLY AWAY EVERY time they act inapproriately or meanly.
20Years
I think you are right. I can’t tell my mediator relative that he’s mediating for a spath. He will not grasp it. You can only “get” sociopathy when you’ve been a victim of it. When you’ve experienced it. I saw so many movies about sociopathy and NEVER GOT IT until it happened to to me.
I remember a long time ago, when I first figured out my spath was lying to me, and I called my relative and told him. He just said, “you can’t let it affect you” and went about his day. He had no idea how personally affected I was.
Right now I am watching “WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT KEVIN”. I think it’s a kid who is a spath. That must have been like when my spath was a kid. Watching these movies keeps my brain straight.
Athena
Linda0906
Si usted no puede conseguir le dispararon, usted conseguir otro empleo tan pronto como sea posible. Estos hombres son tan tóxicos. Usted debe protegerse.
Thank you Ox Drover,
Sister lives 10 miles away but just rented a place farther away for someone to move in and be her caretaker. My other sister says she is going to do that but she is 800 miles away and has not shown up yet. We even offered to drive up to get her because she cannot even drive anymore. I think she has some guilt issues to clear up. I do not, I have done more for my sister than anyone with little or no appreciation so I have no guilt.
I do love my sister though in spite of her being a narcisist. I am getting along better with her than anyone but she did get my ex to prepare her will knowing that he raped and abused me and she and everyone else kept it secret from me. And I know she has helped alienate my daughter from me. Why do I still love her? Because she was my hero and role model as a child. When we were older she was my fantastic beautiful vivacious, charming, take on the world and succeed big sister. Now she is not even a shadow of her former self destroyed by two psychopath husbands.
Her new place is near my formerly no contact daughter who is legally in charge and she is now speaking to me but not very politely. I asked to see the grandchildren because I am so desloate under the combined circumstances but she has to think about it. It is also 120 mile round trip for me to take my sister for treatment from there as opposed to a current 60 mile round trip. Quite frankly I owe nothing to any single one of them except my grandchildren and I will not take their continued disrespect unless I can see my grandchildren. I would walk through Hell for those babies.
The “fam” has been seeeing me simply not show up when I am treated disrespectfully and they will see the backside of me before I get hooked again. We have a house rented in Florida for the Winter and have already missed two months and have to pay rent whether we are there or not. I feel so good knowing it is there and all I have to do is get into the car and go.
“Well, I can see it is time for me to run, you guys have a good rest of the day” …or week or month. That is phenomanal. I can write it on the palm of my hand so I do not forget. I am so gratifed that you get it and I feel so validated. Thank you and bless you!
Dear Betsybugs,
I hate it that you are so “bound in the middle” between the devil and the deep blue sea.
I finally realized that for ME there is NO carrot so precious that I will keep on striving for it, and no stick big enough that I will keep quivering under fear of it.
Each of us must make our own decision about how much we will stretch toward that “carrot” and flinch away from that punishing “stick”—my give a shiat factor has got up and went! My family held out their “love” to me as the carrot and held up the withholding of that “love” as punishment.
Someone saying “I love you” or being influenced against me by others or not no longer means squat to me….whether or not someone actually loves me is shown by how they TREAT ME not what words they say , and if someone shuns me because someone else doesn’t like me fark’m and the horse they rode in on. Don’t need them. No matter what we shared in the past or what DNA we share. Family is as family DOES.
Truthspeak.
You made my day with the RX solutions. Litterally LOLPIMP.
Ox Drover,
I got there with the psychopath sperm donor of my children and am almost there with the rest of them. Since we sisters lost our mother in my teens and their early 20’s there is some distorted bonding around that and this situation is bringing it forth. I was ready to forget them all and my daughter too and had cut off most contact. They are the main reason we go to Florida in the Winter…that and my Seasonal Affective Disorder.
My grandchildren are the carrot or karats (worth their weight in gold to me) for sure. That is why I asked my daughter instead of waiting around for the stick. I will give her a week to decide and ask again until I get an answer, She knows that a yes will mean I stay and has a suspicion that a no will mean I leave. A refusal to answer will also mean I leave.
I have learned that actions speak louder than words and that is what I listen to now…actions, not words. They ignore their actions and words and indimnify themselves at my expense. I just have to satisfy myself before I risk losing my grandchildren forever. But I will not totally abandon my dying sister regardlesso of what she has done to me. Death brings forgiveness when nothing else can.
Death could even bring forgiveness to the psychopath if he would be so kind as to comply but with his genes he will outlive me by 20 or 30 years. And to forgive a living psychopath is to condone evil. I have in the past, when he was leaving us alone and torturing another wife and children, just felt that he was pathetic and I almost felt sorry for him after each divorce but that is not forgiveness. There can be no forgiveness for psychopaths until they die and the evil dies with them. And that is a job for God, not me.
Oxdrover – your last post about your give a shit factor made me recall something i recently read on a poster”..
” I really can’t tell if I’m finally dealing with life better or if I just don’t give a shit anymore.”
a couple personal favorites since it’s the weekend,
“you can only say wtf so many times in one day before you start drinking.”
“so what if I’m not your cup of tea I would really rather be someones shot of tequila anyway.”
Just a little Friday nite humor. lots of love Lil
Lillian….LOL.