(This article is copyrighted (c) 2012 by Steve Becker, LCSW. The use of male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
“Loyalty” and “the sociopath” are incompatible terms. We’ve discussed many traits of the exploitive personality, but let’s not minimize a very vital one: deficient loyalty. Clearly, deficient loyalty is a sociopathic characteristic.
A deficiency of loyalty can be disguised very well by clever, self-serving rationalizations. But you will not find the case of a true sociopath about whom you will ever be able to say: he (or she) was really, through and through, truly loyal.
Loyal? What does “loyal” mean? It’s actually pretty simple to define: when you are loyal, you “have the backs” of those who’ve “had your back.”
You “have their backs” because you want to “have their backs.” You are glad, if not grateful, for the chance to “have the backs” of those who’ve had yours. This is loyalty. It’s application feels good, and it feels consonant with the loyal individual’s “value system.”
Now, in some cases “loyalty” can lead to corruption. For instance, look at law enforcement: cops, corrections officers, will often “have each others’ backs—”they will often “go down” protecting their own even in scandals where, intellectually, they are well aware that laws were broken (by colleagues and friends), and the public’s trust violated. But they “have each others’ backs,” sometimes stubbornly and illegally. Their loyalty to each other may, in a rather complex way, sometimes contravenes other “values” they may have, such as ethical ones.
In a person of conscience, this may produce real conflict and stress. In someone with a weaker conscience, this may not be the case.
In some cases, the “whistle-blower,” who might “look” more honest and courageous than his seemingly more ethically-challenged colleagues, might be more sociopathic than his “corrupt” counterparts who, in snubbing authority and the law, maintain “the backs” of those who had his (or hers).
I am not judging this phenomenon in any way at all, just pointing out its sometimes complexity.
So “loyalty—”its demonstrations (and abdications)—can encompass serious moral complexity.
This is a case where, of course, not all evidence of disloyalty is a hot red flag of sociopathy, but “disloyalty” is absolutely a feature of the sociopathic personality.
And this is especially true: when “loyalty” becomes inconvenient, now we have something to evaluate. When it’s “inconvenient” to be loyal, watch the disloyal individual (and sociopaths) shed their capacity to “seem” loyal with a variety of disturbing rationalizations, and sometimes without even the need to explain. Watch them, in any case, emerge in their truer colors.
If there is a single quality, in fact—a single, true trait—whose presence alone virtually “rules out” sociopathy, it is arguably “loyalty.”
You simply cannot be “loyal” to those in your life who have been loyal to you—that is, be truly loyal to them even when it’s no longer expedient to be so—and be truly sociopathic.
As I said, true loyalty and true sociopathy are simply incompatible concepts, and will never describe the same individual.
Lillian I didn’t read your friday night humor til Sat morning but it gave me a big chuckle. Thanks I needed that.
Betsybugs, it sounds like maybe you and your sister have some trauma bonding going on from the loss of your mother and some dysfunctional FOO stuff. I understand that entirely. Been there and done that myself. LOL
I also understand about you wanting a relationship with your grandkids, but I wonder WHAT KIND of real relationship can you have with them with their mother being cross ways with you? Do you think your sister’s death will change that with your daughter?
I wish you luck. Best of blessings (((hugs))))
ps I thank God every day that I have no grandkids for some P relative to keep away from me.
Oxy,
I’m with you about offspring. Thank God every day that I didn’t have children with the monster. Thank you Jesus!!!!
The pearls of wisdom here last night were on a roll.
Lillian, your friday night humor has a zing of truth in it.
Betsybugs, you said:
And to forgive a living psychopath is to condone evil.
This is so true and it is what people just don’t seem to get. They want so badly to “get the bitterness out” of their own hearts, that they will do anything, even forgive a spath. But even just forgiving a spath is enabling him to go out and hurt more people. Their purpose is to push the envelope until they get to the point where they are unforgivable even by God.
And they will push that boundary all their lives. That’s what they do.
In his book, Touched, Jerry Sandusky tells,
“My father probably spoke the most truthful words about me that had ever been spoke, ’Jer,’ he said, ’you could mess up a free lunch.’ ” I thrived on testing the limits of others and I enjoyed taking chances in danger.”
That’s psychopath-speak for “I test people’s boundaries to see what I can get away with, then exceed those boundaries by a mile and inevitably get caught.”
Betsybugs,
I absolutely agree with your statement that to forgive a living sociopath is to condone evil. I think the very same thing. His evil is so enormous that I turned over the task of forgiveness to God. Letting God handle it gives me peace. And peace is a wonderful blessing from God.
Sky, Jerry Sandusky DID mess up a “free lunch” for sure!
I see “getting the bitterness” against the psychopaths as a way for ME TO HEAL. It has NOTHING to do with them. I just don’t want to be BITTER and ANGRY all the time. It keeps me from having peace within my soul.
I might as well be BITTER that I am getting old and can’t do all the things I used to do. Bitterness doesn’t change anything except the person who holds on to it, and it eats them like a cancer. It is like someone said “drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.”
I’ll do my best to give up my bitterness toward them or anyone else, but doesn’t mean that I will associate with them, or allow them to hurt me if I can stop them. I do NOT want to be a bitter old woman focusing on the bad things that have happened to me in the past. I want to focus on the good things I have in my life TODAY.
Oxy,
I do agree that we shouldn’t be bitter toward the spath, for the same reason we shouldn’t “forgive” the spaths. The reason is that both reactions are emotional responses toward the spath and they’ll feed on them.
That’s why when the spath asked me, “Tell me what I did to you that hurt you?” I said, “Nothing, spath. You didn’t do anything to me compared to what you did to yourself.”
Regardless of what you have to do to get the bitterness out of your heart, just don’t let THEM know that you ever even had any bitterness.
I think the best reaction to a spath is: You look familiar. Do I know you?
Sky, the “you look familiar, do I know you?” is the NIRVANA OF INDIFFERENCE which is the ultimate gray rock! Actually not only not showing emotions toward them but NOT FEELING ANY EITHER.
There are times I approach that with SOME of the P’s I’ve known. My X BF for example, the P I dated after my husband died. I am totally indifferent to him. And several others that have actually hurt me deeply through out my life.
If I were to sit down and go over all that they did, relive it, I might start to feel less bitter, but I don’t do that. If I talk about it, like on here, I try to keep the EMOTIONS separate from the story. That ability (at times) is what I got from the EMDR therapy. It allowed me to SEE the event but not get pulled into it emotionally.
In the recent dog scam, I was as much angry at MYSELF for falling for it as I was at the scammers who sold me the dog, but Now that I am over my little TEMPER TANTRUM I’m glad I have the dog FOR NOW and even if I could get my money back by letting him have the dog back THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I wouldn’t do that to the dog.
I just stumbled across this posting – I’m a bit behind in my reading. At the moment I am smarting from getting screwed over by a colleague I had come to consider a friend. Looking at his behavior and what I know of him, I’d say there are enough red flags I should have been on to him. However, this article made me laugh because I happened to come across his match.com profile. Among his so-called virtues, he sings out about his “extreme loyalty.” I find the irony staggering.
Indifference is the healing. They are too evil for us to forgive but we can let go of the bitterness once we are out. I have indifferance to what the sychopath did to me but I cannot come up with indifferance to what he is doing currently to my daughter. I know I have no control. I know I got caught in the triangle he created and I came out looking like the mean crazy one.
I almost believe it again. My brain knows now what he is and how he does it but my heart and soul are broken. I think you are all correct that I will have to let my daughter go and that means my grandchildren too.
She is now dangling them like a carrot since I broke the silence and asked if we could see them. I asked again and she said not today. I thought she meant litterally not today so I asked when and then it went back to ground zero.
Between AA and her psychopath dad she has changed into a person I do not know. Not to disparage AA but there are those who just get caught in the jargon and remain dry drunks forever. That is where she is and it is where her dad wants her. She is getting praise from the whole family, my family while she treats me like . Is my daughter a psychopath too or is she just uner his spell? I wish I knew so I could move on.
Matt…Match.Con
don’t firget yahoo.con: that’s where i ran into my ‘being’….
still shops there, so i hear…
anyways: i just wanted to stop by and say that it’s sooooo
nice that i can use my messenger and phone now without
psycho monopolizing it 24/7 with ‘it’s’ childish psychopathy.
something as simple as turning on my messenger no longer
gives me startles and that throwing up feeling…his ‘little light’
would ALWAYS be there to tell me MORE MESSAGES about
such crazy and ugly stuff…he was very careful about leaving
death threats in my email and on messenger, but he sure
was not careful about leaving them on the answering machine;
THAT MORON!!!! Some psychopath HE turned out to be; hm?
Can’t even cover HIS OWN BUTT…(amazing).
I have managed to eradicate “IT” from my world,
I think, once and for all…still get messages from
‘minions’ once in a while, but not often anymore.
Guess the criminal psychologist I spoke with was right:
IGNORE THEM and they will ‘light’ upon a ‘new victim’…
God help their souls. Sometimes all you can do is just
save yourself and count your blessings.
I count mine every single day now.
In more ways than one.
yah, LOTS of things ‘staggering’ about these people…
just lots! the more i find out, the more i realize i just
don’t want to know anymore. overwhelming. overload.
TIME FOR ME now…
I am healing and doing wonderfully with that ugliness
out of my life. Trust me. Best thing I ever did was
to get it far, far, far, away from me and it’s staying
that way for the rest of eternity.
I have NEVER met ANY THING or ANY ONE more ugly.
I am alright: thanks a lot you guys for all being here
for me.
Ox: Sorry ((hugs)) you have had problems.
Hang in there…those suckers are the losers.
Dupey