We tend to speak of sociopaths versus non-sociopaths in pretty much either-or terms, despite recognizing that we fall along a spectrum of behaviors and attitudes that range from extremely unself-centered (even to self-sabotaging levels, reflecting poor self-esteem and weak self-protective defenses); to levels we would describe as dangerously exploitive (moving into the range of full-blown sociopathic personality, characterized by a troubling indifference to, and disregard of, others as separate human beings whose dignity deserves to be respected).
At bottom, as I have elsewhere written and stressed, the sociopath is a remorseless, chronic boundary violator; his regard for others’ dignity is minimal and shallow, if not missing. The function of his violating behaviors is to acquire something he wants with little, certainly no deep, regard for the damage he inflicts on others in his taking of it.
The sociopath knows that his behavior is “wrong” according to law and conventional standards of decency and, unless intellectually impaired, he knows “why” it is wrong from the same code of laws and standards.
He may be able to say, for instance, “It was wrong, or I know why it’s considered wrong, to have robbed that individual,” but he will rob him anyway, because he wanted the money and credit cards, and what he “wants” supersedes all codes of respect toward others.
Thus the damage he inflicts on others in taking what he wants is, at most, a secondary, non-ethical based consideration.
Just as importantly, if not more importantly, the sociopath’s understanding (intellectually) of the suffering he’s caused will leave him, unlike the non-sociopathic person, peculiarly (and tellingly) untroubled.
The sociopath, I can’t stress enough, is concerned with his gain, not others’ pain.
Now let me return to the point of this article. There are individuals with whom I work, not infrequently, whom I’d describe as, in some sense, “fall between the crack” personalities. These individuals have sociopathic tendencies. They are almost always chronically abusive one way or another.
Although they may not precisely meet every criterion of the textbook sociopath, still they exhibit, often (and historically) enough, the kinds of sociopathic abuses (and rationalizations of their abuses) that make them sociopathic enough to be avoided as assiduously as the full-blown sociopath.
Interestingly, these individuals can pose worse dangers than pure, unequivocal sociopaths for the very reason that it’s possible to find features of their personality that do not conform exactly to the textbook sociopath’s, leaving one dangerously more optimistic that her partner may be capable of the change and personal growth worth the wait, and suffering.
However, much more often than not, these individuals will lack this capability just as much as the clearcut sociopath lacks it. Yet their partners can find this especially hard to accept—that is, the virtual certainty that their sociopathically-inclined partner is as unlikely to make the kinds of critical reforms as the clearcut sociopath—because, in some respects, these “partial” sociopaths evidence certain capacities of sensitivity that encourage a seductive (but ultimately misguided) basis of hope?
Of whom am I speaking? I am speaking, for instance, of the individual willing to come to therapy. But you are much more likely to see this individual in a couples therapy situation than individual therapy (voluntarily). This is because in couples therapy he can more easily, craftily disavow his responsibility for the abuse he perpetrates than in individual therapy.
When you seek individual therapy, voluntarily, you are basically conceding that you are coming with some of your own issues to address that can’t so easily, entirely be pawned off on your partner. Certainly it’s possible for an individual to present himself in individual therapy, even voluntarily, on a purely manipulative basis, but this individual usually won’t stay in the therapy for more than several sessions and, moreover, he will quickly reveal signs of his flaky, dubious investment in the process.
So it’s quite rare to find a significantly sociopathically-impaired individual seeking individual therapy, sincerely, on his own. But I repeat: it’s quite common to meet these individuals in couples therapy, where they may also enjoy, on some level, the tension of the dynamic in the room—the challenge, in a sense, to compete for the vindication of their image and comparative innocence; to persuade the therapist of their partners’ craziness, or histrionics.
In short, the couples therapy environment can satisfy the sociopath’s tendency to gamesmanship, competition and manipulation. He can verbally flaunt his quickness, glibness, logic, gaslighting tendencies and, if he has them, his impressive analytic and persuasive powers; he can rise to the challenge of convincing the therapist who the really “whacked” party in the relationship is?
But let us not lose the thread of the article. We are speaking here not necessarily of the full-blown sociopath but the “partial” sociopath. And this, again, can complicate and, in some respects, worsen matters!
For the reason that, because he may not be a full-blown sociopath, he may be involved in the therapy with a “sort of—”perhaps a “partly genuine” wish—to salvage the relationship, and not necessarily for entirely selfish, manipulative reasons.
And so this can be especially confusing to his partner, if not the therapist. Who is this man? If he is showing up regularly for couples sessions, seems on some levels to love his partner, is capable of producing, seemingly, some sincere insights and some accountability for his destructive behaviors (at least in the sessions), doesn’t this suggest a candidate for some real, substantive change, if not transformation?
But the answer most often is, NO. To repeat, the individual of whom I speak is almost always, in the final analysis, no more capable of changing than the textbook sociopath, only his more human side creates the teasing prospect that he can, indeed, produce this change, when he won’t, and can’t.
Why? Why can’t he? Why won’t he?
Because he has too much of the sociopath in him. What is too much? This is hard to quantify. At what point along the spectrum is he too far gone to make meaningful, worthwhile, reliable changes, even though he may retain some genuinely humane qualities?
For the answer to this question, tune in to my next article.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
Dear Aska question,
It will take some time with your daughter, even a normal kid that age starts to separate from the parent and push the boundaries.
We call the NO REACTION “gray rock”—just boring— here. It takes time and she will try to push your buttons, but j ust keep repeating, “No darling, I am NOT going to discuss his and my problems with you any more, actually I think I’ve already discussed it too much. THE SUBJECT IS CLOSED” (rinse and repeat) no matter what she says. If she gets too uppity, just tell her “Sweetie, I love you, but I will not tolerate this behavior out of you, please go to your room until you are more in control of your behavior”
If she threatens you about going to live with him, I suggest you think about letting her, because I think the “party” won’t last long when she is around every day. Good luck. (((hugs)))
Im hearing so much in here from so many that have endured the same. Two things, it seems frightening, almost that there are so many people, and it seems exceedingly more men than women, who are like this.
Im seeing so many similarities: someone posted I wish he would hit me, cause I’d have a legitimate reason……..
I went through that…..He hit me. I didn’t leave. Do you know how many times I tried to leave? Or left and went back? This was MY home. That monster drove me out of my own home and made me fear in two different directions: fear to come back in, and fear to leave. The horrific weight of that was unreal. It is followed instantly by an incredible hopelessness, that you a) cannot tell a soul whats going on in your house and b) you are so alone with no where to go, you go back.
Then its followed by a couple weeks of passive aggressive behavior, now get this……….I SLEPT ON THE COUCH. He would skulk by me in the hallways, stay upstairs locked in that bedroom, eat all his meals up there, he wouldn’t speak to the kids, he’d be mean to the animals, and he’d say enough like “If you want this over, you just give me the signal and I’ll stop it, this is because you’re holding out”……It was my fault.
Yesterday was an awful day. I have been thinking about this all week. I was in the car, and I just started sobbing. Drove home sobbing. Heartbreak, abandonment, betrayal. The emotion of that is unreal.
Anyway, I digress. There are important points here for all of us, and most of us are suffering from an offshoot psychological disorder based on our lives with Joe Socio. Anxiety, PTSD, depression, any number of them.
Interestingly I read last night that those of us that suffered psychological trauma as children are far more apt to suffer PTSD as adults, and……find sociopaths for partners. We dont see the warning signs a lot of the time because we spent childhoods trying to be the “good” child.
Its important to know these things. Knowledge is power, and power is the way out and up. Its hard to hang on to. I know, Im writing this to you, because I know its the truth, but it doesnt mean I feel joy living it. Everyday HURTS. I am wondering when I will not feel pain….But, the progress is in the learning.
Thanks for listening. I have no friends and family to turn to, this is the only place where I feel I can say these things.
HurtTerribly:
I am no expert and not very good at advice, but you have to get out of there! I KNOW that is way more easier said than done, but he is killing you little by little…emotionally, mentally, physically, spiritually. He is breaking your spirit. That is so sad. You say you have no friends or family…can you just go to a hotel at least at first to get away from him? Do you work outside the home? Do you have money?? I am so sad for you and worried. You have to ask yourself…this is Hell living here so what if it is Hell without him?? At least you would be free of HIM and all his BS. Please…you have to do something. I hope this doesn’t come across the wrong way. I just felt compelled to say something after hearing your story. Hugs to you.
Dear Hurt Terribly,
I am very glad that you found your way to LoveFraud. When we have NO ONE who gets it, the people here do. And it’s ok to let it all out. It is so helpful to tell your story. All of it. All the details that led up to it, while you were in it, and even if we go back into it. We come for hope, inspiration and healing, prayer, hugs and sometimes to learn about humanity!
No one here is perfect, but everyone I believe cares (or would like to). Stay with us, read, post, vent, cry. You will be blessed.
Big blessing to you…
(((hugs)))
AdamsRib
I have been unable to join the site. I am suspicious the that it may be because of the ex. He has some sort of surveillence on my computer even though he pretends he doesn’t. Yet he always seems to know what I am typing. He has broken in twice he seems to magically know when I am asleep. I have chains, locks, deadbolts, and two alarm systems to keep him out. He does not want me. He cheated, gave me diseases, did not work for two years, exhausted my resources and used me terribly. He allowed his son (also a psychopath) to abuse his animal and my then four and five year old non-verbal autistic son with no care. He watched porn and talked to other women and refused to come out while his p son ran wild (he is 13 by the way). I am a mess. He moved out and decided to move right down the street. He is involved with an underage girl who lives near here and therefore enjoys messing with me and then running. People are starting to think that I am blaming him for things he is not doing. Nobody knows what it is like to have someone intentionally try to drive you crazy. These people keyed my car, gaslighted me to the point of ending up in a mental hospital, and sent my son and I fleeing to an abuse shelter. Had it not been for this site I would have never known that I was not going insane. It is so hard I have a baseball bat sitting next to me in every room. Some advice from veteran abuse survivors would be great. I am buying my house so I can’t just move. Even though I feel that is what he wants me to do.
brandieewine – i was spathed by a online pro. and here’s some of what i learned to protect myself:
Google ‘keylogger hardware’ under google pictures; is there anything attached to your computer that resembles one? If so, remove it. The other possibility is that he has used software to do this. the remedy that i know for that is to get an anti-keylogger.
‘keyscrambler’ is a free online piece of anti-keylogger software you can download, so that when you type in your browser (as you would be when you post on lovefraud, it will scramble your letters. it will work if you are using a web hosted email program (as long as you are doing it online in your browser and not in your desktop mail program like Outlook). There are paid keyscramblers that will cover everything on your computer – so email and documents, too.
You will get lots of advice here – first thing, document everything he does. Install motion triggered cameras. If he does anything to harass you, then let the police know. Block his phone number and email address if you haven’t already.
and if he is involved with an underage girl it is a legal offense. one that could be reported anonymously. never tell anyone if you do that. not your son, and def. not the spath.
you might think it isn’t possible to move, but it may be. if you need to. i know how important stability is, but safety is more important.
There are many people here who know what it is like to have someone try to drive them crazy, and make them look crazy. there will be lots of advice.
first thing install keyscrambler and then you will feel more confident in posting.
take care – keep writing and the posters will do there best to help.
brandieewine
Before you read this—turn your computer screen around.
Do it now.
Right now.
Ok, Welcome.
Sounds like he may have cameras in your home. Chances are he entered your home at some point in the past and installed them. These can be very tiny, like the size of a pen top, and they could be anywhere. Check EVERYWHERE. If you have your computer in one place, look behind you, chances are he’s reading the screen.
Maybe move out for a time ”“ if you can. This way you will know if he is ’watching’ you.
Change your browser, passwords. Lots can be found out by others by clicking and holding down the ’call history’ top left of screen. It shows everything you’ve been looking at. That’s how I found out spath had been viewing his perverted porn sites. Even though he had his own passwords etc I was easily able to see what he’d been up to. Maybe buy a new pc if you can afford it.
’He has broken in twice he seems to magically know when I am asleep. I have chains, locks, deadbolts, and two alarm systems to keep him out’. I don’t think he’s been in your home, I think he’s watching you on camera.
We have a saying over here”..Coughs and sneezes spread diseases ”“ I think we could maybe change that to Spaths and sneezes spread diseases! I’m still waiting in my HIV test.
They watch porn for their own sexual gratification ”“ that’s it. Nothing more.
Spath and his son are NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. Your autistic son and YOU are.
I think it’s fair to say that most of us were messed up when we arrived here ”“ I know I was! We know what it’s like when everyone thinks we are the crazy ones.
I would say that you ending up in a mental hospital, your son being abused and all of the other stuff is MORE than enough reason for moving house. My house is up for sale and I’m going to RUN as far and as fast as I can. As for selling. Look at your options, even if it means renting for a while and letting your house out.
He’s playing with you (like a cat with a mouse)
YOU have the power to stop the game.
ps – there is an edit button below. You can delete your posts if you choose. This will help to stop him reading what you write if he has a scanner on your pc..
Dear Brandiewine,
If you want to “edit” your post and delete all of it, you must leave up at least one letter, or a period. in order for it to work. Otherwise you have to request delete from administration and it takes a while.
He may indeed have a key logger in your computer or have it fixed up so it is a robot of his computer and he can hack in at any time or even have control of it, or have keys to your house, or cameras set up.
I would get someone who is an expert to check out your computer to make sure it is okay, and install a keystroke scrambler.
As for cameras set up in your house, they would be DIFFICULT TO FIND as they are tiny and can “broadcast” by radio signal to a receiver some distance so if He lives close to you he may have that kind….and they can be terribly hard to find.
If you think he is messing with an underage girl, I would (without anyone knowing it was me) contact the police and the girl’s parents.
Be careful for your own safety. And, welcome to LoveFRaud. God bless you and your son.
Thank you so much guys. I love my father but after I had to call him the last time to install chains he started making comments about the little boy that cried wolf. He does not mean any harm but honestly after they have driven me crazy the last thing I need is to have the only support system I have not believe me. You guys made me feel better. In my heart I have felt that he was watching me on camera. The last time he came in he magically seemed to know I would be asleep. It is impossible. I am going to check my options for moving. This is no way to live. Thanks again.
I used to tell him,”hit me at least thats an honest emotion” Then at least I knew where his head was.