We tend to speak of sociopaths versus non-sociopaths in pretty much either-or terms, despite recognizing that we fall along a spectrum of behaviors and attitudes that range from extremely unself-centered (even to self-sabotaging levels, reflecting poor self-esteem and weak self-protective defenses); to levels we would describe as dangerously exploitive (moving into the range of full-blown sociopathic personality, characterized by a troubling indifference to, and disregard of, others as separate human beings whose dignity deserves to be respected).
At bottom, as I have elsewhere written and stressed, the sociopath is a remorseless, chronic boundary violator; his regard for others’ dignity is minimal and shallow, if not missing. The function of his violating behaviors is to acquire something he wants with little, certainly no deep, regard for the damage he inflicts on others in his taking of it.
The sociopath knows that his behavior is “wrong” according to law and conventional standards of decency and, unless intellectually impaired, he knows “why” it is wrong from the same code of laws and standards.
He may be able to say, for instance, “It was wrong, or I know why it’s considered wrong, to have robbed that individual,” but he will rob him anyway, because he wanted the money and credit cards, and what he “wants” supersedes all codes of respect toward others.
Thus the damage he inflicts on others in taking what he wants is, at most, a secondary, non-ethical based consideration.
Just as importantly, if not more importantly, the sociopath’s understanding (intellectually) of the suffering he’s caused will leave him, unlike the non-sociopathic person, peculiarly (and tellingly) untroubled.
The sociopath, I can’t stress enough, is concerned with his gain, not others’ pain.
Now let me return to the point of this article. There are individuals with whom I work, not infrequently, whom I’d describe as, in some sense, “fall between the crack” personalities. These individuals have sociopathic tendencies. They are almost always chronically abusive one way or another.
Although they may not precisely meet every criterion of the textbook sociopath, still they exhibit, often (and historically) enough, the kinds of sociopathic abuses (and rationalizations of their abuses) that make them sociopathic enough to be avoided as assiduously as the full-blown sociopath.
Interestingly, these individuals can pose worse dangers than pure, unequivocal sociopaths for the very reason that it’s possible to find features of their personality that do not conform exactly to the textbook sociopath’s, leaving one dangerously more optimistic that her partner may be capable of the change and personal growth worth the wait, and suffering.
However, much more often than not, these individuals will lack this capability just as much as the clearcut sociopath lacks it. Yet their partners can find this especially hard to accept—that is, the virtual certainty that their sociopathically-inclined partner is as unlikely to make the kinds of critical reforms as the clearcut sociopath—because, in some respects, these “partial” sociopaths evidence certain capacities of sensitivity that encourage a seductive (but ultimately misguided) basis of hope?
Of whom am I speaking? I am speaking, for instance, of the individual willing to come to therapy. But you are much more likely to see this individual in a couples therapy situation than individual therapy (voluntarily). This is because in couples therapy he can more easily, craftily disavow his responsibility for the abuse he perpetrates than in individual therapy.
When you seek individual therapy, voluntarily, you are basically conceding that you are coming with some of your own issues to address that can’t so easily, entirely be pawned off on your partner. Certainly it’s possible for an individual to present himself in individual therapy, even voluntarily, on a purely manipulative basis, but this individual usually won’t stay in the therapy for more than several sessions and, moreover, he will quickly reveal signs of his flaky, dubious investment in the process.
So it’s quite rare to find a significantly sociopathically-impaired individual seeking individual therapy, sincerely, on his own. But I repeat: it’s quite common to meet these individuals in couples therapy, where they may also enjoy, on some level, the tension of the dynamic in the room—the challenge, in a sense, to compete for the vindication of their image and comparative innocence; to persuade the therapist of their partners’ craziness, or histrionics.
In short, the couples therapy environment can satisfy the sociopath’s tendency to gamesmanship, competition and manipulation. He can verbally flaunt his quickness, glibness, logic, gaslighting tendencies and, if he has them, his impressive analytic and persuasive powers; he can rise to the challenge of convincing the therapist who the really “whacked” party in the relationship is?
But let us not lose the thread of the article. We are speaking here not necessarily of the full-blown sociopath but the “partial” sociopath. And this, again, can complicate and, in some respects, worsen matters!
For the reason that, because he may not be a full-blown sociopath, he may be involved in the therapy with a “sort of—”perhaps a “partly genuine” wish—to salvage the relationship, and not necessarily for entirely selfish, manipulative reasons.
And so this can be especially confusing to his partner, if not the therapist. Who is this man? If he is showing up regularly for couples sessions, seems on some levels to love his partner, is capable of producing, seemingly, some sincere insights and some accountability for his destructive behaviors (at least in the sessions), doesn’t this suggest a candidate for some real, substantive change, if not transformation?
But the answer most often is, NO. To repeat, the individual of whom I speak is almost always, in the final analysis, no more capable of changing than the textbook sociopath, only his more human side creates the teasing prospect that he can, indeed, produce this change, when he won’t, and can’t.
Why? Why can’t he? Why won’t he?
Because he has too much of the sociopath in him. What is too much? This is hard to quantify. At what point along the spectrum is he too far gone to make meaningful, worthwhile, reliable changes, even though he may retain some genuinely humane qualities?
For the answer to this question, tune in to my next article.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
@....... Louise Well at least I know I am not alone. I find myself wondering if I am the sick one or has my eyes been open to evil?
Dear Brandie,
Sugar I understand exactly, I was CRAZEEEEE as a sheet-house rat for months and months….couldn’t put 2 and 2 together and make 6. LOL
It is part of the PTSD and I have no doubt that you qualify. If you are not getting professional mental health care, RUN do not walk, to your nearest mental health professional. Trying to go this alone without help is like trying to fix your own broken leg. I am a retired registered nurse practitioner and I felt like I was on the “wrong side of the clip board” receiving mental health care, but I NEEDED IT BADLY….
TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF first, so you will be there to take care of your son. I know that may sound wrong, but if you don’t take care of you, and YOU go down for the count, whho will be there to take care of your son? So it is very important to take care of you! (((hugs)))) Keep on learning! God bless.
Louise,
I was the OW too. I can honestly tell you that it isn’t what you think it is. My ex is DIVORCED now and we dated for a few months after he was, but OMG…………
I was with him for ten years during his seventeen year marriage Louise and I can tell you, once the DIVORCE happens, he would have been DONE with you………he doesn’t need the triangulation anymore when he’s free to pursue other “prey”.
Count yourself BLESSED that it didn’t go further because the next victim will not be so lucky. If there are ANY jealousies on your part, get rid of it.
There is and always will be another victim for him. Always. Feel sorry for his wife.
She doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing to her behind her back.
Not a clue
And if she finds out, like mine did, she will divorce him, then you won’t be of use anymore and discarded like you never existed.
Thank GOD you didn’t have to deal with what I have!!
Feel blessed. He never stops cheating. Even when he’s divorced!
LL
Brandi:
I just think our eyes have been opened.
LL:
I wondered about that…what if he ever did get divorced…what would he do? My conclusion is that he would really just go crazy and really f*ck everything that walked. At least now the wife keeps him somewhat reigned in, but boy, if he was free, watch out!!! It would be interesting to see who he would end up marrying as I know he wouldn’t want to be alone forever. Although get this…he told me he was not the marrying kind! HA…what does that mean when you have been married for almost 20 years?!??! As for the wife…she does have a clue. That is why she kicked him out in 2009. Someone told her about the affair he had while they were sent somewhere else for work. Somewhere in the Carribbean. She wasn’t told until they came back here again…this was months and months later. I have no idea who told her; I don’t even know if HE knows…but he told me someone told her and that’s when she kicked him out and that’s when they were separated for an entire year and that’s when he was chasing everything and triangulating me with the OW in my office. It was an absolute mess and extremely painful. He made me believe he only went back because of the children and maybe he did…who knows. But what does matter is that he is there and he is married. So…the wife didn’t divorce him; she took him back! I am telling you…he is so extremely charming; she will never divorce him. If she ever does, I will eat my hat.
On another note, I know I have PTSD even if it is a mild case. I jump everytime I hear a loud noise. I hate it.
Louise,
Forgive me. I think I need to speak to your obvious cog/dis here.
Mine TOLD his wife about our affair five years into it. YES HE TOLD HER! Then he called me on the phone while she lay in fetal position on the kitchen floor in their house and asked me WHAT TO SAY TO HER SHE”S CRYING!! DUH DUMB ASS!!! I asked to speak with her (not a BRIGHT move on my part), because I could HEAR her wailing in the background…..I then said to him, “ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON”T KNOW WHAT TO SAY TO HER OR DO?”
Unbelievable. Two days later he spent an hour on the phone telling me that I hurt his wife and how could I do that to THEM………REALLY?
Wow.
I was devastated, not only for what he had done to me, but what he had done to her. A woman on the ground in fetal position is not the crazy, wack, prude, cold fish he made her out to be, is she?
We had no contact for four months after his conversation of blame.
then he emailed me. Then we talked. He told me that the sex was great.
FF four months later, then he told me that he was trying to save the marriage but was disappointed because all was still the same. I was immediately sucked back in. CHOOSING to believe the fantasy.
FF four years LATER…….he finds out SHE is having an affair LOL! GOOD FOR HER!! BUt he puts her on a guilt trip about it, without telilng her that he’s STILL INVOLVED WITH ME!!!!
It was at this point I contacted her to let her know that for the last four years, he had still been involved with me and not to blame herself for doing what she was doing…without love, I would have done the same.
She left that night after she got my message and never went back. She wanted the divorce as soon as possible. AGAIN he blamed me. It was my fault she didn’t want to stay…Louise, that’s just how NUTSO it gets…….how NUTSO he gets when it comes to the mask he hides under….and that is the facade his wife was willing to hold up for him, without knowing any details at all………of anything………I want to think I helped to set her free………while I was still in bondage….
Anyway, Louise, I use to think the same, she’ll never divorce him blah blah blah…..how come you see it? Because he dumped you?
Let me share something with you. He’s still cheating. Mine told his wife that he was, but what I realized after many years, that mine THRIVED on drama that SURROUNDED HIS ASS!!! OMG! He LOVED it that two women were fighting over him! HE LOVED IT! What she and I were, was a way for him to manifest his pathology and THAT”S IT. part of that pathology is DRAMA RAMA!!!!!
And now he has a NEW GF!! WOOT!!! YEA BABY!!!!
Our relationSHIT ended in early December, but it hasn’t stopped him from making a move to suck me back in every couple of months. Even when I broke up with him, he stalked and stalked me heavily for the first two months.
NOW? HE NEEDS THE TRIANGULATION!!! And BOY was I GOOD, Louise!!! I gave him ALL the reaction a spath could ever HOPE for! In spathdom, I was a DREAM come TRUE!!!
He didn’t expect me EVER to not want him or to not be envious of his next victim or his wife…….
Louise, try, if you can, TO FEEL BLESSED! My ex told me he was with his wife because of the kids too….aaaawww ain’t that SWEET! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The kids were a cover too. BASTARD!!! WHAT A BASTARD!!! Even the children are not beyond being USED as a cover for his mask. That’s ALL it is………
Mine was very sadistic though. He wanted out of the marriage, but he didn’t. Not because he loved her or gave a rats ass about his children (real men who care for their children DO NOT cheat on their mother!! HELLOA!!), but because he was more interested in his PERSONA, his IMAGE..and even when he lost all of that, Louise, he was SO grandiose, that he called his faithful ex wife, crazy, insane, a liar, a bitch, you name it………..and NONE of that is true.
She has a new bf and has for about a year now. She is VERY happy now. GOOD!!! For all the pain I caused her being with this bastard, I”M HAPPY FOR HER…I can’t help but feel I deserve what I’m getting……….
spaths cause pain wherever they go. The domino effect is everywhere.
His wife is miserable, Louise.
He probably chose ANOTHER victim that was someone like me, FAR MORE reactive, to give him the drama he needs to get out without taking responsibility for it.
WHAT A BASTARD!! but that’s how these creeps work.
Think about it.
LL
I wrote about going out and my impressions of people – and I EB that I was ‘practicing life’. That really stuck with me the last couple of days.
I met someone through work recently who is a pastry chef and we had a nice chat. i promised her a recipe. We have talked a couple of times on the phone and we went out for a coffee tonight. I went out thinking, ‘i am practiticing life, pay attention to the red flags.’ well, it wasn’t like the other night when i felt self possessed, but i did get a good read. as we were talking i noticed a distinct lack of boundaries in this person – i was freaking out until i got myself to just notice that i was freaking out. freaking out is a red flag.
i didn’t feel a genuine warmth from her, but a kind of invasiveness. i have 2 responses to that – retreat and offer myself up on a plate ( thanks mom!). I did pretty well. did more retreat, but i sure put up a big wall of made of freaked bricks with smile graffiti on them. Wow, it was not so much fun.
so, another night of practice under my belt. the air is sweet after yet another rain, and the street is quiet.
EB – whether you are reading or not – you are a rock and a protector. you pay attention, and you call it as you see it. I admire you for that.
hey sky – would you take a look at the above post and weigh in on the handing yourself over on a plate as a response to boundary intrusion. given the similarity in the tactics our mother’s used, i’d like your take on it.
LL:
What an idiot! He told her and then two days later blamed you…YOU hurt his wife and how could you do that to THEM? He is a devil. Hmmmm, don’t you wish you could turn back time and go back to that four months of no contact and turn it into forever no contact? Ha, I love that she had an affair and is now happy! Speaking of that, my X spath mentioned to me once that as long as he didn’t know about it, he didn’t care. He was talking about his wife. Knowing everything that he does, he was trying to tell me that he didn’t care what she did as long as he didn’t know about it…what a jerk. Good for her for never going back after the night you called her. She finally got it. Not too many wives do unfortunately. And then it was YOUR fault she didn’t want to stay??? I thought HE didn’t want to stay?? No wonder you were half crazy with that man in your life! He obviously wanted both just like they all do. Oh and the comment about only wanting the marriage for his image? That is 100% my X spath. Absolutely. I truly think he doesn’t want to be there, but he is also not going to end it. He’s a successful career man…he’s not going to give up that image. I also think he doesn’t want to be the one in the family to get divorced…his brother is still married to the same woman forever so he doesn’t want to be the “bad” guy. All the while, he’s the worst guy around! I didn’t quite understand your comment about me thinking that she’ll never divorce him…you said why did I see it, because he dumped me?…can you explain that please 🙂
That is truly sick he is/was still trying to suck you in to now triangulate you with the new girlfriend!! Unbelievable. Oh and I know the kids are only another front. I truly believe that my X spath doesn’t care at all about his kids and that is sooooo sad. They are precious. I have seen pictures of them. He only uses them as tools. You know what he even told me? That his daughter was just like his wife! And he didn’t mean in a good way. She is only 11 years old. How sad is that? What dad says that about their daughter?
They do cause pain wherever they go. It’s totally unreal. Something I can hardly even comprehend.
Thank you again for your insight and your story. I really appreciate it.
One Joy,
Were there any warning signs on the phone? What were those conversations like? Any lovebombing? “you’re my bestest friend EVER?”
Whether she was spath or not, it doesn’t sound like she is the most emotionally healthy, if she didn’t respect boundaries. Did she make unwelcome judgements or comments?
I’m not sure I can be much help since I never retreat. 🙂
The trauma bond is my specialty, when I smell danger I move forward not backward! Why do you think I’m a hermit?
My curiosity is the reason, I think, that I don’t back down.