We tend to speak of sociopaths versus non-sociopaths in pretty much either-or terms, despite recognizing that we fall along a spectrum of behaviors and attitudes that range from extremely unself-centered (even to self-sabotaging levels, reflecting poor self-esteem and weak self-protective defenses); to levels we would describe as dangerously exploitive (moving into the range of full-blown sociopathic personality, characterized by a troubling indifference to, and disregard of, others as separate human beings whose dignity deserves to be respected).
At bottom, as I have elsewhere written and stressed, the sociopath is a remorseless, chronic boundary violator; his regard for others’ dignity is minimal and shallow, if not missing. The function of his violating behaviors is to acquire something he wants with little, certainly no deep, regard for the damage he inflicts on others in his taking of it.
The sociopath knows that his behavior is “wrong” according to law and conventional standards of decency and, unless intellectually impaired, he knows “why” it is wrong from the same code of laws and standards.
He may be able to say, for instance, “It was wrong, or I know why it’s considered wrong, to have robbed that individual,” but he will rob him anyway, because he wanted the money and credit cards, and what he “wants” supersedes all codes of respect toward others.
Thus the damage he inflicts on others in taking what he wants is, at most, a secondary, non-ethical based consideration.
Just as importantly, if not more importantly, the sociopath’s understanding (intellectually) of the suffering he’s caused will leave him, unlike the non-sociopathic person, peculiarly (and tellingly) untroubled.
The sociopath, I can’t stress enough, is concerned with his gain, not others’ pain.
Now let me return to the point of this article. There are individuals with whom I work, not infrequently, whom I’d describe as, in some sense, “fall between the crack” personalities. These individuals have sociopathic tendencies. They are almost always chronically abusive one way or another.
Although they may not precisely meet every criterion of the textbook sociopath, still they exhibit, often (and historically) enough, the kinds of sociopathic abuses (and rationalizations of their abuses) that make them sociopathic enough to be avoided as assiduously as the full-blown sociopath.
Interestingly, these individuals can pose worse dangers than pure, unequivocal sociopaths for the very reason that it’s possible to find features of their personality that do not conform exactly to the textbook sociopath’s, leaving one dangerously more optimistic that her partner may be capable of the change and personal growth worth the wait, and suffering.
However, much more often than not, these individuals will lack this capability just as much as the clearcut sociopath lacks it. Yet their partners can find this especially hard to accept—that is, the virtual certainty that their sociopathically-inclined partner is as unlikely to make the kinds of critical reforms as the clearcut sociopath—because, in some respects, these “partial” sociopaths evidence certain capacities of sensitivity that encourage a seductive (but ultimately misguided) basis of hope?
Of whom am I speaking? I am speaking, for instance, of the individual willing to come to therapy. But you are much more likely to see this individual in a couples therapy situation than individual therapy (voluntarily). This is because in couples therapy he can more easily, craftily disavow his responsibility for the abuse he perpetrates than in individual therapy.
When you seek individual therapy, voluntarily, you are basically conceding that you are coming with some of your own issues to address that can’t so easily, entirely be pawned off on your partner. Certainly it’s possible for an individual to present himself in individual therapy, even voluntarily, on a purely manipulative basis, but this individual usually won’t stay in the therapy for more than several sessions and, moreover, he will quickly reveal signs of his flaky, dubious investment in the process.
So it’s quite rare to find a significantly sociopathically-impaired individual seeking individual therapy, sincerely, on his own. But I repeat: it’s quite common to meet these individuals in couples therapy, where they may also enjoy, on some level, the tension of the dynamic in the room—the challenge, in a sense, to compete for the vindication of their image and comparative innocence; to persuade the therapist of their partners’ craziness, or histrionics.
In short, the couples therapy environment can satisfy the sociopath’s tendency to gamesmanship, competition and manipulation. He can verbally flaunt his quickness, glibness, logic, gaslighting tendencies and, if he has them, his impressive analytic and persuasive powers; he can rise to the challenge of convincing the therapist who the really “whacked” party in the relationship is?
But let us not lose the thread of the article. We are speaking here not necessarily of the full-blown sociopath but the “partial” sociopath. And this, again, can complicate and, in some respects, worsen matters!
For the reason that, because he may not be a full-blown sociopath, he may be involved in the therapy with a “sort of—”perhaps a “partly genuine” wish—to salvage the relationship, and not necessarily for entirely selfish, manipulative reasons.
And so this can be especially confusing to his partner, if not the therapist. Who is this man? If he is showing up regularly for couples sessions, seems on some levels to love his partner, is capable of producing, seemingly, some sincere insights and some accountability for his destructive behaviors (at least in the sessions), doesn’t this suggest a candidate for some real, substantive change, if not transformation?
But the answer most often is, NO. To repeat, the individual of whom I speak is almost always, in the final analysis, no more capable of changing than the textbook sociopath, only his more human side creates the teasing prospect that he can, indeed, produce this change, when he won’t, and can’t.
Why? Why can’t he? Why won’t he?
Because he has too much of the sociopath in him. What is too much? This is hard to quantify. At what point along the spectrum is he too far gone to make meaningful, worthwhile, reliable changes, even though he may retain some genuinely humane qualities?
For the answer to this question, tune in to my next article.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
I would like to use a quote here from the book “Women Who Love Psychopaths”.
I think it speaks to this very article and discussion, all of which has been very interesting, but I am convinced that HARM is the underlying motivation for a spath.
Here is the quote:
“His insatiable need for power and dominance is so non-stop that it feels unquenchable to her. Psychopaths hurt people because power through victimization is much more satisfying to them. THEY ARE EMOTIONALLY REWARDED BY THE HARM THEY CAUSE” (I italicized that last sentence)
LL
boy, i wish i had more time to get into this topic right now.
i have looked at dupe pain as goal or collateral damage. i have thought that my spath LIKES hurting people, as well as it being collateral damage. But thinking about the posts above (sorry, had to skim somewhat), i think that it is about her ‘needs’ – hurting me ensured not only drama (yummy tasty fun! for the control freak with messed up chemistry) but secured more supply by strengthening the trauma bond. so, maybe it was only actually about her agenda being furthered…she wasn’t trying to hurt me…she was just trying to ‘feel’ and have ‘fun’…and secure more of the above. so hurting me would be a tactic just like making me happy through some words or actions.
that said, she knows what she is doing. she almost drove another dupe to suicide – and she did it in a very public way. intellectually there is NO WAY she doesn’t know that is wrong. nothing wrong with her IQ at all.
her whole life is one big fucking drama, and she is feed feed feeding that need all the time. so, it’s back to the lack of empathy- we are just supply. i probably care more about the salmon i just ate than she does about people.
there are also the sadistic spaths – but i see that as a dual diagnosis. damn i wish i had more time…argh…must work… 🙂
big kiss to y’all!
Hi Kim ~ Your post got me thinking… Perhaps what separates the Narcissists from the Sociopaths/Psychopaths is whether or not they get enjoyment from inflicting pain in some way.
My thought is that the Narcissist, who may inflict pain, does so unintentionally because he/she has no regard for anyone but him/herself.
On the other side, the S/P’s, purposefully and intentionally plotting and scheming to create drama, will inflict pain just to observe and feed off of the drama that it causes.
Just exploring here… any thoughts?
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I’ve missed you! I hope you’re doing good chica!
LL
((((((((HI LL!!!))))))))) busy as hell. up and down, but lots good. will be back over the next days! so good to see you!!
H2H, That is my basic understanding of one of the main differences between spath and narcissist. But if we are looking at the pd on a scale, and if we are looking at the sort of psychopath, then someone with N tendencies might be on the extreem low end, and sexual sadists and serial killers might be on the extreem high end.
If the intention is TO CAUSE PAIN, FOR THE SAKE OF CAUSING PAIN, then I don’t think either of my x’s is a true spath. They were both extreemly controlling and drama seeking and knew how to encourage trauma bonding.
They were both toxic, and they choose me for very definate reasons. Spath X hub wanted to dominate and secure supply, so he picked someone he could insure was completely dependant on him. He moved me away from my friends and family, made sure he controlled every dime, began chipping away at my self-esteem, controlled everything, right down to what brands of goods I’d by. How I should do the dishes, hang laundry and park the car. This was easy to do because I already had a sketchy sence of identity because my mother wanted to keep me dependant on her as well, and she controlled, controlled, controlled, so I never had much of a chance to find out who I was, or how to be independant.
Of course, none of this was conscious, at the time. I didn’t know why I was attracted to who I was attracted to. And I didn’t know why they were attracted to me, but that is one of the gifts of waking up and learning about what is going on.
Spath X hub would treat me like dirt and critisize and devalue, then tell me I was “ungrateful” because he rescued me. Puke. In some ways it’s true, of course. I was looking for someone to rescue me, and take care of me….but look where it got me?
And x-hub hasn’t changed a bit. He still wants a subserviant woman, and is on chat-line all the time, talking to young women from foreign countrys. He was smitten by a 24 year old from Giahna (can’t spell) and was about to send her a plane ticket. We all tried to tell him it was a scam, and he finally let it go.
My “romantic” spath is a primary psychopath with all the personality traits very well developed and all the psysiological ones we all know: high energy, little sleep, predatory stare and the horrible one that scares a lot, present in him. However, i observed he didn’t play in order to hurt you but in order to fell superior in his own eyes and having control because he wanted to be sure he has the prey controlled. He was the hedonistic type mostly interested in pleasure and freedom.
Hope,
I think you nailed it.
Narcissists also inflict pain but it’s just because they selfishly can’t see how they are doing it. They are low in empathy but they aren’t completely without it.
My parents are control freaks and they have damaged their kids because of it, but that was never their intent, they just had the narcissistic audacity to think that they should influence their kids forever.
Spaths, on the other hand, want dominion over all who enter their realm and they want more than influence, they want complete control. So they resort to mechanations like trauma bonding, which involves inflicting pain.
It’s possible that my spath doesn’t know that he is trauma bonding people. He just notices that he likes to make people feel pain and that the best way to do it is to make them happy first. He has probably sat and tried to figure out WHY he does these things and the best conclusion he can come up with is that he is possessed by the devil.
I do know that he also ends up filled with hatred toward his victims and desires to punish them. Is that a consequence of the narcissistic injuries he recieves when his victims struggle to get free from him? If so, then why does he set up an escape plan from the first?
There is the possibility that his desire for control has merged with his method of controlling. In other words, because whipsawing people gives him control, he may have become addicted to giving pain and pleasure.
Then there is the fact that all sociopaths want to steal your life. Some do it with actual murder but others do it by controlling how you spend your time or money or efforts. Those are components of your life and they want to own them. How do we relate that to inflicting pain?
H2H,
I think you nailed it too. When we talk about the spaths need to control, this is inflicting pain, the pain derived from VICTIMIZATION is the addiction. A spath is not satisfied unless he’s in complete control and thus, creating drama inflicting more PAIN.
Recently, ex spath sent me two separate e cards for Mother’s Day. If I was still projecting my FEELINGS onto him, it would be perceived by me as “oh he misses me”…..
Wrong. His intention was to bait me to create triangulation with his current gf. My past hysterical reactions would have given him what he wanted in inducing envy and jealousy in her and the two of us fighting over him. What does that amount too? Pain. He wanted MY PAIN THROUGH MY REACTION WHICH HAS THE DOMINO AFFECT OF CAUSING MORE PAIN.
I didn’t react. I responded, but I did NOT react. And i’m damned proud of myself too. I hope to God that bastard NEVER tries to contact me again, as it still creates fear for me, but on a different level in that another human being would only contact me to see me writhe. NO WAY. It keeps me no contact and moving forward. But he wanted for my PAIN.
I don’t think that could be stressed enough.
However, ALL PD’s are toxic to some degree and it requires a neglect of ourselves to be try to “survive” through a relationshit with one.
I’m so happy to be out of it!!!
LL
Sky ~ I grew up with an N for a mother, she controlled the family when us kids were young and still tries to do so know that we are adults. For the most part, the pain she caused/causes is unintentional. That’s why I believe that she is an N and not an S or P.
Taking away someone’s freedom is very often punishment for a crime of some sort. In that instance, it is justified, provided that the person had actually committed the crime.
In the case of being under the control/spell of a spath… I would find the feeling of being a prisoner, with no control over my own life VERY painful.