Sociopaths have been described in many ways that, at least, from time to time, might describe some of the rest of us: As glib, manipulative, exploitative, superficial; as seeing and relating to others as objects rather than persons.
Sociopaths, in other words, don’t have a patent on these qualities. You can be a nonsociopath and be glib and superficial. You can be a nonsociopath and be a constitutional bullshitter and sometimes manipulator: Just go visit the used-car salesmen at your local dealership, and see for yourself (sure, some of them may be sociopaths, but not most).
Naturally, when you begin to combine these qualities—especially adding “exploitative” to the mix—and identify them as an individual’s default style of interaction, you’ve entered potentially sociopathic terrain.
In my experience, I’ve found other qualities—but also not in isolation—to be somewhat distinctively suggestive of sociopathy. One—the quality of emotional vacancy—really captures my attention when I observe or experience it.
I’m working clinically, at present, with two male individuals, Allen, 20, who already has a long legal rap sheet (minor criminal violations), while the other, Ted, 31, has no arrest history, but has been fired from various jobs for leaving a string of female colleagues and customers troubled by his sexually invasive behaviors.
Allen has diagnoses in the system as an antisocial personality with a probable earlier diagnosis of conduct disorder. Yet he is not, I’m quite confident, a sociopath.
Conversely, Ted has had no significant mental health diagnoses I’m aware of, yet I suspect he has a touch, if not more than a touch, of sociopathy in his personality. (I suggested this to a team of providers involved with Ted, who hadn’t considered it but were disarmed and intrigued by it.)
What is it about Ted that got me thinking along the lines of sociopathy?
Yes, he is socially facile—gregarious, glib, a schmoozer, described by others as “outgoing.” But while relevant, let’s be honest: this (alone) could describe a fourth of the population.
But what further raised my eyebrows was Ted’s reaction to his pattern of leaving women feeling disturbed by his aggression—specifically, he makes excuses, rationalizes his behaviors; consistently denies and/or minimizes his actions; and tellingly, conveys no empathy for the experience of the women.
His concern, in other words, begins and ends with how these incidents will impact his subsequent employablility; there isn’t the remotest (genuine) interest in his effect on his victims.
This is one aspect of the emotional vacancy—expressed in this instance as a lack of empathy—that I suggest can signal possible sociopathy.
Ted, incidentally, is not cruel, or driven to hurt others. He insists he doesn’t “get off” on leaving women feeling uncomfortable and threatened, and I tend to believe him.
His sociopathic quality, if I’m right, is reflected less in an intentionally hurtful agenda than in his emotional indifference to the unintentional hurt he inflicts in the self-centered pursuit of his momentary needs.
Ted is more impulsive than calculating, more thoughtless than scheming. He sees a woman undressing, for instance, in a dressingroom and he wants a view. He knows intellectually that it’s the wrong thing to do. But he wants the view.
He knows that if the woman sees him peering in on her, she will be upset. As I said, he doesn’t relish, it seems, the idea of upsetting her so much as he cares too little about her discomfort, her sense of violation, to deter him from taking what he wants—a view of her.
There is a second aspect of Ted’s emotional vacancy that I find possibly indicative of sociopathy: When I’m with him (unlike my experience with Allen) I feel that I am not really there for him. Yes, he is inquisitive, wants to know how I’m doing, what’s up with this and that? He schmoozes, as I’ve said.
But it’s a bit like the experience you might have with a politician who, trolling the crowd, looks you in the eye and asks questions of interest and shakes your hand, but all the while you feel like he’s really looking through you, or beyond you, to the next hand he’s waiting to shake, the next vote he’s canvassing. You feel that a second later he will have blotted out the memory of the interaction and, on parting, you.
I have this experience of Ted—nothing malicious-intended. He’s not taking anything tangible from me. Just that, in my interactions with him, I somehow don’t feel completely real”¦to him.
Not all sociopaths are alike, we know that. And I’m certainly not suggesting that many sociopaths, at least for a while, can’t leave you feeling just the opposite—as special, as if you’re the only person in their universe.
But there are sociopathically-oriented individuals who don’t do this well—whose emotional emptiness and soulessness somehow rub off on, as if get transferred into you, leaving you (on the receiving end of the interaction) feeling vaguely as if something’s amiss, not whole, that something was, or is, missing.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2008 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Dear Presseject,
I like your “degrees” in what I call the “University of Hard Knocks PhD program”—I kept “flunking” the lessons and had to repeat the classes until I finally passed, and I think I have my PhD in psychoplathic studies! LOL Yet, you are so right, each thing we learn adds to our knowledge and knowledge is power. It is also that we have to LEARN TO USE that advanced knowledge, not just know it, but USE it to our own benefit and to the benefit of others. So now the U of HKs had advanced degrees in IAST and CBAT as well.
I have also been around a lot of “wealthy” and “talented” people and you are so right, “wealth” and “talent” or fame and all of the above “success” does not mean that they are a good person. Some of the most widely known people in the world are totally devoid of a heart or a conscience—they can put a “public spin” on their behavior while hiding the REAL THEM behind the money, power, fame.
Years ago, in the 50s, 60s, and 70s and early 80s my husband was private pilot for many of the very wealthy and famous people in the US, politicians, actors, scientists, etc. he even flew Richard Nixon and his wife on their campaign trips. He saw many of these people with their “masks off” and saw how they treated those around them. Being famous, wealthy and talented “goes to the heads” of some people and they start to behave in ways that are dispicable. Or they were Ps to beging with and got where they were wealthy and famous over the backs of others, stepping on the others to advance.
That type of person sees themselves “above” the masses of those that “serve their needs.” Wealth and position only adds to their success in getting what they want from “the little people” who owe them adoration.
Other very famous and wealthy people are the same with the wealth as without it, still caring and good people. My P biio father finally got the wealth he wanted, made the Forbes 400 list one year, but he was still the same nasty P he was before he got the money, but as he said “Now I am eccentric, instead of crazy.”
But all his wealth didn’t buy him anything except more toys. But I’m not sure he cared, it did give him financial power over people and he could use it to “get what he wanted” from others, so maybe it did make him as “happy” as a P can ever get, but he was still a very angry, hate filled P until the day he died.
Thank you OxDrover. The world has many illusions, (I am keeping a list now), money, P’s, S’s… even some creative N’s who dream up their own illusions. For some like me, illusions in the past are what fantasies have been made out of…. but I can’t live like that now. I have a loving heart, but it does not need to go chasing smoke and mirrors. The mirror that the S holds up, the smoke that is all that their heart is made of…
thank you all for your kinds words…
did any of you ever feel like you just dont fit in? since the end of my realtionship with the bad man.. (3 months exactly tomorrow! i’ll never forget what happen that day June 16th 2008. the day my whole life changed and i told him to get lost its over! the day i found email after email with the ow about cars, money, me and there relationship and how all the lies he had been telling came completely clear to me. that he was fake and a big fat liar. how he lied for the past two years about this ow.)…anyways since ive started gaining my life back, i have some friendships back. but it doest feel the same. i know things changed and people change but i miss having that one person who was your best friend. i just dont have that one person. im guessing in my heart that i was hoping that things would sorta go back to the way they where with some old friends but thats a fantasy.
i pray that i do get that best friend one day. im praying that those close close friendships will come back.
Dear Blondie,
Relationships do change over time, and especially when we are “away” from them for a while, whether it is because we move across country or have another “interest” (like a BF/GF or whatever) but relationships do change.
You will become closer to new people you meet, and be able to reestablish NEW relationships with the older friends.
But keep in mind too, that YOU are different than you were before the P experience.
Sometimes looking back at relationships in the past, that I had with people that I still see, their friendship and closeness was good for me and interesting at the time, but now I have grown in a differnet direction than they have.
A guy that was my “first love” when I was 21, is still a good friend and he and his wife actually moved to ARkansas from CA after he retired. They only live about 4 miles from me, and actually stayed here on the farm with us until they found a house to buy, and I love them dearly, but you know, I thank God daily that he and I broke up and though my heart was broken at the time, I realize he would NOT have been right for me (though I thought so at the time) and he’s a great friend to me, and so is his wife, but he would not have been a good mate for me.
I have lots of friendships that are 20-30-50+ YEARS duration, and those relationships have changed from time to time, closer at some times than others, but then drawing closer again, then drifting apart some…just depending on what is happening in our lives.
“Nothing is constant except change.” I am not sure who first said that, but it is soooo true!
You will have some satisfying friendships an a “best friend” again I am sure—it just takes a bit of time and getting back on your feet again! You have made so MUCH PROGRESS, Blondie, and I know that you are on the right road, the road to healing! Hang in there!
Blondie: My observation of what happened to us: I (as well as the rest of you) feel like I was in a horrible crash. Plane crash, boating sinking, car crash … doesn’t matter what catastrophe we correlate it with … we were the only survivor. As time goes by, we meet other such survivors (those on LF) … we speak our own language that others surrounding our lives assume they know, but don’t quit get it. How can they comprehend the depth of this? All the different levels it affects, shaking each level, one by one, down to your very core, your soul? Impossible to comprehend the depth of what we’ve endured, unless they too, experience it. There are passages from the site on Givers versus Takers – what the church leaders throughout the world know. They call the anti-social personalities Trouble Makers.
http://www.abusefacts.com/articles/Givers-Takers.php
As you review this site, you will notice how God puts trouble makers in our paths to stretch our faith in him and allows us to spread our wings and fly aka grow from this experience. And grow is what we are all doing.
It also says we should be grateful when hardships such as these come into our lives, it is tests from God so we can prove our love to him.
Peace.
Wini: That list of givers and takers made me so uncomfortable! It reminds me how much I am on the giving side and how much the S was on the other (dark) side as a “taker.” Thanks for linking that here. I agree we are all coming out of some horrible accident as you described but feel it is different than a sudden plane crash or similar wreckage. There is something emotional about this that goes deeper than a sudden freak accident.
I am a man but can now imagine the type of pain a woman might go through with a miscarriage. That is how I feel about the relationship I had with the S. For months, I carried the idea of a new life with me, an emotional seed that promised happiness in my heart, similar I think to how a woman might carry a new life inside her. There are the dreams of the joy you will have in the future, the planning the anticipation, the trust it will all be healthy and right. Then one day, after months of joyful and expectant excitement, a sudden, horrible, unexplainable miscarriage. The months of innocent joyful anticipation and love that was growing inside is snuffed out. We are alone in our bodies. Nothing can bring it back.
We are not hurt like in a physical crash but we are devastated that the promise of joy was robbed from us. You are right though, unless someone has been through the depth of this kind of pain, it is hard to share the feelings associated with it. Thank God this site exists for us. It is still helping me heal the suffering. Even when I feel I have made a few steps more in my progress, I am back here to be consoled, to know I wasn’t alone in this. I don’t think it is a test from God, as I believe he doesn’t test us. What kind of a loving God would do something like this to cause pain? Instead I believe He does give us the opportunity to become stronger and more in tune with His will. That those of us fortunate enough to hear His words (to connect with any kind of a higher power outside of ourselves), can then follow His examples of compassion, forgiveness and even, in our own personal and shattered way, find resurrection. I feel I am outside my “old” self sometimes this way, lifted up from a spiritual “death” (the cruel crucifixion done by the S) with a new chance to love deeper, to value myself better and to be closer to God. If I am not, then this would only be a pointless exercise in chaos. Instead I believe there are deeper reasons, and, as you also concluded Wini, a chance in these lessons to prove (show) our love to God. I hope I don’t sound too preachy here, but the idea of deeper faith in God has been the ONLY way out of this nightmare for me. I hope others are finding this helpful spiritual consolation too.
Wishing everyone peace,
presseject
Dear presseject: I wanted everyone to see the right siders of the list and the left siders of that list. Just so you can see the difference of us versus them. Make no mistakes, there is a big difference in how we view the world and how they view the world. Needless to say, pray for them. Pray that they ask God to be closer to him. God will handle it from there.
I hope you go back into that site and double click on the links available … not just reading the list. The rest of the site is awesome, to say the least. It’s just what all of us needs to understand the overall view of what kind of war we are entangled in.
In that site it does say God sends Trouble Makers in our paths … to stretch our faith towards God … spread our wings and fly, to realize we are more than we think we are (our strengths), knowing we have the love of the Lord with us and our love for the Lord (even more so). Trouble makers make us realize to focus on God … put our troubles in God’s hands … he will NEVER fail us. EVER.
I’m glad you found the site profound. I did too.
I said this earlier in my writing to you … as I’ve done many times in this blog … but, pray for your EX’s that they ask God to allow them closer to him. It’s important that all of us get to the point to love our enemy … there is a reason for it.
Peace.
Stop thinking: “I’ll never recover from this.”
Whether it’s a financial crisis you’re in; or a divorce you’ve been through; or an unthinkable sin you’ve committed, don’t ever give in to the thinking that you won’t recover.
Nothing’s more discouraging than to think you’ll never get out of the pain, debt or guilt you’re in.
Gve up this way of thinking:
1. God always provides a way of escape. No matter what you’re facing, there’s a way out. (1 Corinthians 10:13) In fact, Jesus IS the WAY.
2. Get this in your thinking: WHATEVER GOD DID FOR THEM (in scripture), HE’LL DO FOR YOU! He is no respecter of persons. (Romans 2:11) Elijah recovered from financial crisis. Jacob recovered from marriage problems. David recovered from unthinkable sins, etc.
3. YOU SHALL RECOVER ALL! That’s a promise that God made to David when he lost everything in his life. Stand on it. 1 Samuel 30:8 says, “You shall surely overtake them and you shall recover all.”
4. IT IS GOD’S WILL FOR YOU TO RECOVER. John 10:10 says, “The thief came to steal, kill and destroy, but Jesus said, ’I have come that you would have life in abundance, to the full, till it overflows!’”
5. Get your focus on praying for others’ recovery.
Job 42:10 says, “The LORD restored the fortunes of Job when he prayed for his friends, and the LORD increased all that Job had twofold.”
THINK & SAY:
I will recover all that has been lost, stolen or missing from my life. I will recover from whatever sin or addiction I’ve faced. God did it for David, Job, Elijah—He’ll do it for me. There is always a way—and I receive the wisdom from God to find it, now.
Jesus came to restore everything back to me, as God intended. I receive at least double back for everything that I have ever lost, in Jesus’ Name.
Have Faith and Peace to everyone.
My prayer for all of us is that some day these people will be cured and we all will be healed.
thank you all for the advice and comments. im going to check the websites out when i get home off of work. i know that when im feeling down and i can always post here and find comfort. my lovefraud family i love everyone of you. the only people in the world that really know how your feeling and can help you bc they have been there!