Sociopaths have been described in many ways that, at least, from time to time, might describe some of the rest of us: As glib, manipulative, exploitative, superficial; as seeing and relating to others as objects rather than persons.
Sociopaths, in other words, don’t have a patent on these qualities. You can be a nonsociopath and be glib and superficial. You can be a nonsociopath and be a constitutional bullshitter and sometimes manipulator: Just go visit the used-car salesmen at your local dealership, and see for yourself (sure, some of them may be sociopaths, but not most).
Naturally, when you begin to combine these qualities—especially adding “exploitative” to the mix—and identify them as an individual’s default style of interaction, you’ve entered potentially sociopathic terrain.
In my experience, I’ve found other qualities—but also not in isolation—to be somewhat distinctively suggestive of sociopathy. One—the quality of emotional vacancy—really captures my attention when I observe or experience it.
I’m working clinically, at present, with two male individuals, Allen, 20, who already has a long legal rap sheet (minor criminal violations), while the other, Ted, 31, has no arrest history, but has been fired from various jobs for leaving a string of female colleagues and customers troubled by his sexually invasive behaviors.
Allen has diagnoses in the system as an antisocial personality with a probable earlier diagnosis of conduct disorder. Yet he is not, I’m quite confident, a sociopath.
Conversely, Ted has had no significant mental health diagnoses I’m aware of, yet I suspect he has a touch, if not more than a touch, of sociopathy in his personality. (I suggested this to a team of providers involved with Ted, who hadn’t considered it but were disarmed and intrigued by it.)
What is it about Ted that got me thinking along the lines of sociopathy?
Yes, he is socially facile—gregarious, glib, a schmoozer, described by others as “outgoing.” But while relevant, let’s be honest: this (alone) could describe a fourth of the population.
But what further raised my eyebrows was Ted’s reaction to his pattern of leaving women feeling disturbed by his aggression—specifically, he makes excuses, rationalizes his behaviors; consistently denies and/or minimizes his actions; and tellingly, conveys no empathy for the experience of the women.
His concern, in other words, begins and ends with how these incidents will impact his subsequent employablility; there isn’t the remotest (genuine) interest in his effect on his victims.
This is one aspect of the emotional vacancy—expressed in this instance as a lack of empathy—that I suggest can signal possible sociopathy.
Ted, incidentally, is not cruel, or driven to hurt others. He insists he doesn’t “get off” on leaving women feeling uncomfortable and threatened, and I tend to believe him.
His sociopathic quality, if I’m right, is reflected less in an intentionally hurtful agenda than in his emotional indifference to the unintentional hurt he inflicts in the self-centered pursuit of his momentary needs.
Ted is more impulsive than calculating, more thoughtless than scheming. He sees a woman undressing, for instance, in a dressingroom and he wants a view. He knows intellectually that it’s the wrong thing to do. But he wants the view.
He knows that if the woman sees him peering in on her, she will be upset. As I said, he doesn’t relish, it seems, the idea of upsetting her so much as he cares too little about her discomfort, her sense of violation, to deter him from taking what he wants—a view of her.
There is a second aspect of Ted’s emotional vacancy that I find possibly indicative of sociopathy: When I’m with him (unlike my experience with Allen) I feel that I am not really there for him. Yes, he is inquisitive, wants to know how I’m doing, what’s up with this and that? He schmoozes, as I’ve said.
But it’s a bit like the experience you might have with a politician who, trolling the crowd, looks you in the eye and asks questions of interest and shakes your hand, but all the while you feel like he’s really looking through you, or beyond you, to the next hand he’s waiting to shake, the next vote he’s canvassing. You feel that a second later he will have blotted out the memory of the interaction and, on parting, you.
I have this experience of Ted—nothing malicious-intended. He’s not taking anything tangible from me. Just that, in my interactions with him, I somehow don’t feel completely real”¦to him.
Not all sociopaths are alike, we know that. And I’m certainly not suggesting that many sociopaths, at least for a while, can’t leave you feeling just the opposite—as special, as if you’re the only person in their universe.
But there are sociopathically-oriented individuals who don’t do this well—whose emotional emptiness and soulessness somehow rub off on, as if get transferred into you, leaving you (on the receiving end of the interaction) feeling vaguely as if something’s amiss, not whole, that something was, or is, missing.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2008 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Indigoblue: Hey, I just thought of something … maybe that’s the irk anti-socials have in common, they didn’t create the world … and they refuse to acknowledge who did … therefore, the pain they cause … the ultimate temper tantrum (LOL) on the universe.
Peace out … I’m getting tired.
Exactly !
My It was just that
an adult child throwing a tempertantrum only DANGERIOUS and evil minded
Sweet dreams Wini
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I’m reading through old blog original postings, don’t always read all the comments, so I may be repeating what has already been said. But Dr. Steve, I agree that they often just do what they do because that is what they want, and they really don’t care or think about the impact on the other person. It makes it confusing when you are the victim and the P is your lover, because if he says he loves you and he believes it because he is on a narcissistic high at the moment, getting off on you getting off on him… and then in a sudden dramatic reversal, he dumps you, because he’s off on something else…..and you really realize he didn’t do it to hurt you, he simply didn’t care….Well then you are left kind of scratching your head (after you stop hurting!) . On the one hand, he didn’t actually set out to hurt you. That is a good thing. On the other hand, he did hurt you and doesn’t care, even if you point it out. As long as you can’t do anything to him about it (like make him lose his job), he can’t see any reason he should be concerned about YOUR feelings! And, he will remind you, he didn’t do it to hurt you. Well, I should say at first it left me scratching my head. Then I woke up and realized…HEY! He treated me bad and he doesn’t care. What part of that don’t I understand!
And even if someone is not to BLAME for what they did (it is just part of his personality disorder), he is still RESPONSIBLE in that he is the one doing it, so I still have to deal with that fact and leave him. He may not be able to avoid hurting people, but I don’t have to be the one to stand here and take it!
Mine once told me about being on a bus in China and how everyone is squished together and he was pressed up against one woman and that he had the urge to feel her up, (he’s sick) and he said to me, to further explain, “You know, like, I’d just say Di Duv Du”….That is when it became sickenly clear that while his objective was not to hurt me (it was just to get the sex he wanted, and the way he wanted it) he did have in his mind the manipulative, empty use of the words “I love you”. It became crystal clear to me at that moment that he hated women, held them in contempt, and that he thought nothing of saying words of love to get whatever crude things he wanted…..and no, he didn’t do it to hurt me, he did it get the sex he wanted, and I think, to enjoy the high of “controlling a woman”. But his feelings are so shallow, I really think he has no idea what he is doing to a woman when he lures her to think he truly loves her, when all he wants is a hook up with a woman he thinks is “worthy” of the chase. Which doesn’t make it hurt one bit less!
In my case, since I was naive enough to let this guy repeatedly love bomb and dump me four times, he CLEARLY knew from the first few times that it hurt me tremendously. I even went to see a psychiatrist for the first time after one dump, and I told my P that the psychiatrist said that if the P really loved me, he’d have no further contact with me, because of what his dumps were doing to me and that I was playing with fire with my mental health. Of course that did not stop the P…….or me, until after one more dump where my body finally started being so sick at the thought of him that I knew I had to end it and go NC.
Usual PS…..my P liked to “cover his a**” by first warning you that he didn’t want to fall in love. So that later he could point to that. But after saying that, he would go on in a week or so to say things like “Everything you say, everything you do, breathless, in love!” “I just soon hug you as f*** you”, I want to kiss you all over” “Don’t worry, I love you” and then as soon as he had the x…..he would simply shut off all contact for weeks. And if you complained, he’d point out….oh, but I was honest with you from the start…this was just about sex! Bu**Sh**!!
DearJustabouthealed,
I am glad that you are reading all the old articles, I know there are tons of them, but knowledge=power and they are all so good. Some of them have upwards of 600 comments (can you believe it?!!)
I think I have read all the old articles but one pops up out of the archives once in a while that I haven’t read and it still suprises me. I still go back and check on some of them once in a while.
I sat for months, house bound with fear and tick fever, so weak I could hardly stand, and read and cried and read and raved, then cried some more.
Yes, they get what THEY want without caring at all about how they emotionally bleed someone else. They can’t comprehend it, but they don’t care. They have choices and they make ones that they know are wrong, but that’s okay with them. You just don’t count in their world, only they do. “Don’t take it personally”—I know that sounds awful, but it wasn’t about YOU you were just a vehicle to get what they wanted. Sad isn’t it? But I would rather be hurt by one of them than unable to love.
JAH and Oxy – these blogs have been very helpful to me. One of the things that I’ve had a hard time relating to on the blogs is when people talk about feeling like their S “set out” to hurt them. Planned to hurt them, drain them, betray them. I don’t think my ex S set out to hurt me – I think, like the two of you said – he simply didn’t care about my feelings. At all. When our interests dovetailed – we both wanted to be in love, it worked well (except, of course, that he was cheating on me, but I had no idea because the cheating was infrequent at that time). However, when our needs started to differ – he had no problem lying, cheating, raging. He seemed to not care, at all, about my feelings. WHATSOEVER. It was remarkable to me. I didn’t know how he could love me so much, but then treat me so cruelly. Truth is, he was always doing exactly what he wanted. At first what he wanted was what I wanted – the euphoria of new “love.” So it seemed like we really cared for each other. However, as soon as he wanted frequent sex with other women, he became hateful and cruel. Without missing a beat. He never cared what I wanted. I just didn’t know in the beginning because I happened to want what he wanted.
He even said to me, after our split, that he was surprised that certain parts of his personality “came out” with me. Of course he blamed me for these parts coming out (his rage, his infidelity), but he seemed to have held the hope that he would be a good man with me. Of course, of course, of course, he didn’t take responsibility for the raging, lying, cheating, but I did really get the sense that he didn’t intend for these things to happen and was disappointed (for his sake) that they did.
I do think these guys (and women) are evil, no question. I’m not giving him slack or saying he’s not a force of hate and cruelty. He is a hateful, empty, creature. But I don’t think he set out to drain me, hurt me. I think, as always, he just set out to get whatever he wanted, whatever the consequences. I don’t think he ever lived enough in the future beyond a few days to put a longterm plan together of emotionally draining me. I hold him totally responsible for what he did – but know, on some level, that he couldn’t help it. That I shouldn’t take it personally. Right now, with only 10 months since the break up and 4 months NC, its hard not to take it personally.
Healing Heart,
I was just reading on another thread when you first joined the conversation. I am so glad you are here. You probably don’t “know” me because I don’t write as much these days… but I wanted to answer one of your questions.
You asked “how long does it take to get over this?” My personal theory is that the reading here will push that process along. I am changed by my Bad Man experience. Am I over it? Ummm, well, I am over him definately. Will I ever be “over” what it taught me? I don’t know.. I guess I don’t think of it as something to get over. I am going to keep what I learned tightly to my heart. But yes, you will get over him one day.
For me, the key has been to fully… FULLY.. understand the dynamics of disordered people and the unfortunate souls that get scooped up by them. I have looked long and hard at myself and what was lacking in me… mainly the willingness to put limits on what was acceptable behavior from a man… namely a man that said the magic words… “You are a quality woman and I am seriously considering you as a life partner.”
For me, these magic words cast a spell on me that was hard to break because I saw him as the long awaited, last chance at love and marriage. I bet there are a few girls out there that can relate to this… in fact, let me not leave the men out either… Southernman was grieving the loss of his spouse and longing to put a family unit back together. Matt had just hit 50 and was deeply longing for love and his turn, and Oxy lost her husband in a painful and unexpected way… her best friend. Many of us had a great loss or some kind of deep longing which made us especially ripe for the picking.
I want to challenge one thing you said… (in a good way.. I am not attacking). You said several times that your relationship was working besides the cheating on his part…. that is exactly what is the problem dear Healing Heart… this is a boundary issue… to me, that’s a “NOT WORKING” relationship. Ask yourself why would you call that a working relationship?
You also said the relationship worked until you stopped wanting the same things…. I don’t think that’s it. He wanted to cheat and he knew he would because he always has. He wanted things to be exactly how they were… because that is who he is. That is who they are!
And the euphoria of new love… that’s the hook and you swalloed it. I did too! The happiest two weeks of my life… Relationship Crack is what I call it.
Anyway, there is a big breakfast waiting in the kitchen… my housemates are the best.
Welcome dear Healing Heart. Hold the course… remain No Contact and prepare for life’s wisdom to pour down upon you.
aloha
Hello aloha! I have been reading your blogs for months and was disappointed you weren’t on when I first got on a couple of weeks ago! There were so many things in your story that resonated with me. Some of what “he” did, but mostly your own emotional experience from start to finish. I remember, in particular, you talking about perceiving, yet ignoring, deliberately, red flags. That was the first time I read that (months ago), and it was such an ah-ha moment. Because I remember that I did see red flags, I just put them away. I didn’t want to believe they were any thing (HELLO, red flags!!). Your experience with your ex S, emotionally, was so similar to mine I felt like you were writing my story. The location & players were different, but it was my story!
As for what I wrote above – I realized, after posting, how silly it was. (this happens a lot when I recall my relationship) I essentially said that except for the cheating, it was going well. Sheesh. What I should have said was that I was completely unaware of the cheating at the time (in the end it was so in my face I couldn’t be in denial), and I do believe it was infrequent then. In part because he was with me every minute I would allow him to. But I don’t kid myself, I know now that he was cheating, even then. Which is still quite painful for me to think about. Anyway, the other thing that was different then is he was very affectionate, and never raised his voice, said an unkind word. It was all kisses, handholding, and adoration. Which I wanted, and he seemed to want. So it “worked” in that he wasn’t enraged me at. And it “worked” in that I was in complete euphoria and his mask had not yet dropped. But no, in reality, it was not working at all. It was never working.
Thank you so much for the encouragement. Oxy said
something to me in an earlier blog: HH, you are going to be okay. Something like that, and it brought tears to my eyes. I believe (because of what I’ve read on this site) that I will not always feel like this damaged person. I believe that I will get better, because of all of you. And what a gift that is.
Dear HH,
Aloha, as usual has some wonderful wisdom for you. He may not have TRIED to hurt you, but he knew he would, but he didn’t care.
Some of them (the lower levels I think) are just “don’t care” and some others (higher levels like my P-son) ENJOY the pain they inflict, a sort of “warped empathy” if you will (there’s a thread here on that too). Then there are others what want what they want, and they know it is “wrong” but they do it anyway, and when you opt out of the relationship, they are “injured” (i.e. they have lost a toy) and so they SEEK REVENGE. That revenge can be a verbal smear campaign or a murder or anywhere in between.
So there are “levels” of them, but none of them are “healthy” in the way we think about it.
My X-BF-P was seriously vengeful, he didn’t hurt me afterwards because I think he knew my sons would have stomped his butt, but he did burn down the house of the woman before me—while he was dating me! Can’t prove it in court, but no doubt about it. She and I compared notes, as well as I also talked to his X wife whom I knew.
Getting AWAY from them to let yourself process the grief of your “loss” of your fantasy, and to reflect on what “limp” in you caused the predator to pick you out of the crowd, and how you can take the “limp” out of your life’s walk so you won’t be “picked again” is the task at hand now. ((((hang on and hugs)))))