Sociopaths have been described in many ways that, at least, from time to time, might describe some of the rest of us: As glib, manipulative, exploitative, superficial; as seeing and relating to others as objects rather than persons.
Sociopaths, in other words, don’t have a patent on these qualities. You can be a nonsociopath and be glib and superficial. You can be a nonsociopath and be a constitutional bullshitter and sometimes manipulator: Just go visit the used-car salesmen at your local dealership, and see for yourself (sure, some of them may be sociopaths, but not most).
Naturally, when you begin to combine these qualities—especially adding “exploitative” to the mix—and identify them as an individual’s default style of interaction, you’ve entered potentially sociopathic terrain.
In my experience, I’ve found other qualities—but also not in isolation—to be somewhat distinctively suggestive of sociopathy. One—the quality of emotional vacancy—really captures my attention when I observe or experience it.
I’m working clinically, at present, with two male individuals, Allen, 20, who already has a long legal rap sheet (minor criminal violations), while the other, Ted, 31, has no arrest history, but has been fired from various jobs for leaving a string of female colleagues and customers troubled by his sexually invasive behaviors.
Allen has diagnoses in the system as an antisocial personality with a probable earlier diagnosis of conduct disorder. Yet he is not, I’m quite confident, a sociopath.
Conversely, Ted has had no significant mental health diagnoses I’m aware of, yet I suspect he has a touch, if not more than a touch, of sociopathy in his personality. (I suggested this to a team of providers involved with Ted, who hadn’t considered it but were disarmed and intrigued by it.)
What is it about Ted that got me thinking along the lines of sociopathy?
Yes, he is socially facile—gregarious, glib, a schmoozer, described by others as “outgoing.” But while relevant, let’s be honest: this (alone) could describe a fourth of the population.
But what further raised my eyebrows was Ted’s reaction to his pattern of leaving women feeling disturbed by his aggression—specifically, he makes excuses, rationalizes his behaviors; consistently denies and/or minimizes his actions; and tellingly, conveys no empathy for the experience of the women.
His concern, in other words, begins and ends with how these incidents will impact his subsequent employablility; there isn’t the remotest (genuine) interest in his effect on his victims.
This is one aspect of the emotional vacancy—expressed in this instance as a lack of empathy—that I suggest can signal possible sociopathy.
Ted, incidentally, is not cruel, or driven to hurt others. He insists he doesn’t “get off” on leaving women feeling uncomfortable and threatened, and I tend to believe him.
His sociopathic quality, if I’m right, is reflected less in an intentionally hurtful agenda than in his emotional indifference to the unintentional hurt he inflicts in the self-centered pursuit of his momentary needs.
Ted is more impulsive than calculating, more thoughtless than scheming. He sees a woman undressing, for instance, in a dressingroom and he wants a view. He knows intellectually that it’s the wrong thing to do. But he wants the view.
He knows that if the woman sees him peering in on her, she will be upset. As I said, he doesn’t relish, it seems, the idea of upsetting her so much as he cares too little about her discomfort, her sense of violation, to deter him from taking what he wants—a view of her.
There is a second aspect of Ted’s emotional vacancy that I find possibly indicative of sociopathy: When I’m with him (unlike my experience with Allen) I feel that I am not really there for him. Yes, he is inquisitive, wants to know how I’m doing, what’s up with this and that? He schmoozes, as I’ve said.
But it’s a bit like the experience you might have with a politician who, trolling the crowd, looks you in the eye and asks questions of interest and shakes your hand, but all the while you feel like he’s really looking through you, or beyond you, to the next hand he’s waiting to shake, the next vote he’s canvassing. You feel that a second later he will have blotted out the memory of the interaction and, on parting, you.
I have this experience of Ted—nothing malicious-intended. He’s not taking anything tangible from me. Just that, in my interactions with him, I somehow don’t feel completely real”¦to him.
Not all sociopaths are alike, we know that. And I’m certainly not suggesting that many sociopaths, at least for a while, can’t leave you feeling just the opposite—as special, as if you’re the only person in their universe.
But there are sociopathically-oriented individuals who don’t do this well—whose emotional emptiness and soulessness somehow rub off on, as if get transferred into you, leaving you (on the receiving end of the interaction) feeling vaguely as if something’s amiss, not whole, that something was, or is, missing.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2008 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
HH and Oxy,
I don’t think the Bad Man plotted against me either. He was just a very damaging and inappropriate person… and textbook Borderline.
I totally understand the thinking that about them not plotting a plan to destroy you but they sure did a good job for not trying on purpose.
For me, the bottom line was, he hurt me more than any other human being I have ever encountered… that’s enough for me. If he did care about me at all, it was not caring by my definition… and with that.. I don’t care about him anymore. Not at all.
BTW, I absolutely Loved Matt’s article and how he handled the S in the end. This is how it’s done. We are loving, empathetic people and it seems unnatural to turn away from someone whom seems to be in so much pain… but what is really unnatural is the way these people took advantage of our humanity.
Aloha
Merry Christmas Oxy!
and all my other LF friends.
oh yeah.. one more thing… HH… this has been the most powerful “place” for me to express and share what happened to me. Sometimes I wish there was a circle where I coudl sit and hear from people in person but I guess this is it.
I think people don’t heal when they feel isolated by their experience. It’s the feeling of being understoond that moves us forward. (That must be in a psychology book somewhere.)
We definately understand you here.
Merry Christmas friends!
Aloha
Merry Christmas to everyone!! I am trying not to have a meltdown today. This will be the 2nd year without my husband. I was doing ok until earlier today. My mom (his mother-in-law) ran into my husband at the store with our daughter and all 4 of his mistresses kids. He did say hi but he tried to distance himself from the kids to make it look like they weren’t with him. How is he playing father to all of her kids and only see our daughter who was planned once a week? I am upset but I don’t know why. I know he is with her even though he tries to be intimate every chance he gets.
I know that he is not a catch or worth my time but it is just sick to me. I emailed him and told him about the encounter with my mom and I told him there is a special place in hell for him. Ok, I know that was not right but I just couldn’t help it. I can’t stand this man.
Yesterday he called and wanted to talk to me and I asked him why and so he said nevermind. I think he likes knowing that I am there for him whenever he wants but yesterday I wasn’t. He doesn’t like to be rejected. I can’t let him ruin my holiday. I want to be over him in 2009!!!!!!!!!!
HH, Superstar, Indi, Henry, Matt, Ox, Wini, LIG, Southernman, Aloha Traveler, kat o nine, BloggerT and all my other LF Bloggers. Thanks for listening to my bantering throughout my S experience and thanks for the support you have given me and courage to get past the heartache. I’m sooooo much in a better place than I was 7 months ago. I love you guys. MERRY CHRISTMAS!! !!!!!!! XOOXXOOXX!!!!
Iwonder: Merry Christmas. I’m glad you made it over the hump of the healing process. That’s the tricky part as everyone on here knows. If you find yourself in Church within the next few days … Look up while you sing your heart out.
Peace and God Bless your sweet soul!
Nic: Same message I’m giving to you … when you find yourself celebrating the season in church somewhere in the world … look up, smile and sing your heart out to God.
Peace.
HH and everyone:
I, for one, still cut these guys too much slack. When I say he didn’t set out to hurt me. MAYBE that is true. (But we mustn’t forget the OTHER part of that point”.that THEY JUST DON’T CARE”.BECAUSE THAT IS AS BAD IF NOT WORSE.) Especially the first three times he love bombed me and then ABRUPTLY dumped me. Once while he was holding me after he had just “been intimate” for the FIRST time after months of “I love you”. REALLY”..he was just barely done”.LESS THAN A MINUTE SINCE”. still had his body up against mine, when he announced it would be perfect now to hear nothing from me for the next seven weeks !!! Total silence!!!!!!!!!!!!(after daily contact with I love you before that for months. And pursuing me for 40 years! ) ( And yeah, I found a way to excuse that in my mind! Hopeless!!!) But you know”.about the fourth time you do that sort of thing to someone”.it begins to look like maybe you DO enjoy the hurting part. Or perhaps it IS a TOTAL lack of caring. Either option is pretty scary. I think Steve is suggesting the total lack of caring about the victim is the trait he identifies with psychopath. When I think about it, guys who set out to hurt me, like a date rapist, are clear cut and were MUCH easier to deal with psychologically. Like by 500% 1000%!!
And I agree there is a continuum these guys are on as far as WANTING to see some pain in us. I can say for sure, that if I was hurting, it was of no concern to him, except once in awhile I DID see times when the P was briefly deliberately cruel”.but it seemed to be related to him wanting to be in control. Once (and forgive me if I’m repeating myself) he tore up, in front of my face, some photos and valentine poems I had created and given to him and when I didn’t react, he said “Doesn’t this hurt you”.???” (with a hint of hope in his voice).
Also, how’s this for a lack of empathy. He told me his mother died a wonderful death, she was lucky. When I asked for details, he said she died alone with her retarded daughter, who didn’t realize the mom was dead, and the body was discovered days later. He is a pathologist! He knows what dead bodies look like and smell like after even a few hours. Even if he thought the death was blessedly quick for his mom, how could he describe a death like that as a wonderful death and her being lucky? And she loved that daughter! I realize she was dead, but a normal person wouldn’t describe that as wonderful.
How did I fool myself for so long? Partly I was raised in an environment in which I had to ignore psychological cruelty, minimize it, to survive. Partly there was the dream I wanted to come true. Partly I just (obviously) blindly believed this guy was good, had motives like mine. Well, I’ve said all that before, so enough.
I’m so proud of a friend of mine. A guy she met over the internet was writing the sweetest things, sending flowers, moving fast. Many of us warned her. She’s been alone for years. She is 66, was so thrilled. When he called and explained that the AFrican diamond mines he was inheriting were tied up in legal hassles and could she wire him enough money to get back to the US and meet her and all this wealth would be hers one day, she told him to never call her again”.despite wanting so much for it all to be true—. and she hung up on him. Later she emailed him and told him to stop trying to scam women!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really think that as more people become educated through sites like this, more women will be warned, read the stories on here and be prepared!
Wow, justabouthealed. I once got a fortune in a fortune cookie that said I would inherit a diamond mine in South Africa, seriously. Perhaps your friend’s guy should have contacted me instead. I meant to say CON-tacted. lol
It was a crucial point in my healing from the S when I realized he did not love me, and there is no part of him that did, does, or could ever love me. So if he is secretly sitting around pining for me, I will never know and certainly don’t care. As long as I held on to the faint glimmer of hope, it was excruciating, and I second guessed the NC all the time. Here it is Xmas. When I met the S in April, he promised me I would never be alone for another holiday. I thought I’d feel pretty devastated this year. I actually feel okay and not lonely. I have had parties and been invited to gatherings. I don’t miss the ex and I don’t miss having a bf. I think this is progress.
Aloha,Henry, Oxy, & all my other good LF friends,
Aloha, you said it best, I wish we could all be sitting around a big bonfire laughing, crying, sharing our stories, & all of us healing together. …I know, I dream a lot… This is definitely the absolute best place to be when you are sad, mad, depressed, have a question, & need help healing. I was a complete basket case when I first started reading here. It took me a long time to get up the courage to write, I know now it was the best thing I could have done.
All of you have the best Christmas ever. I will be saying a prayer tonight to thank God for all of you. Peace.
Oxy, Indy, Matt, Iwonder, Wini, Stargazer, Justabouthealed, Lostingrief, Alohatraveler, Beverly, henry, James, Sstilest54, Jen2008, Muldoon, – and all you other wonderful LF folks – THANK YOU AND MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
Hello Everybody – I am so happy to have a place on this site, blogging with you all! The best Christmas present I could have given myself was finally logging on to LF and having a presence rather than just reading. Don’t get me wrong – reading and witnessing all of your conversations was an absolute lifesaver for me from March through December. But I am so happy to now be present with all of you, sharing my experience with and having you share your experiences with me.
Although I’ve only “known” you for a couple of weeks, in many ways you understand me better than people who have been in my life for years. I am so appreciative to have all of you with me. THANK YOU.