Sociopaths have been described in many ways that, at least, from time to time, might describe some of the rest of us: As glib, manipulative, exploitative, superficial; as seeing and relating to others as objects rather than persons.
Sociopaths, in other words, don’t have a patent on these qualities. You can be a nonsociopath and be glib and superficial. You can be a nonsociopath and be a constitutional bullshitter and sometimes manipulator: Just go visit the used-car salesmen at your local dealership, and see for yourself (sure, some of them may be sociopaths, but not most).
Naturally, when you begin to combine these qualities—especially adding “exploitative” to the mix—and identify them as an individual’s default style of interaction, you’ve entered potentially sociopathic terrain.
In my experience, I’ve found other qualities—but also not in isolation—to be somewhat distinctively suggestive of sociopathy. One—the quality of emotional vacancy—really captures my attention when I observe or experience it.
I’m working clinically, at present, with two male individuals, Allen, 20, who already has a long legal rap sheet (minor criminal violations), while the other, Ted, 31, has no arrest history, but has been fired from various jobs for leaving a string of female colleagues and customers troubled by his sexually invasive behaviors.
Allen has diagnoses in the system as an antisocial personality with a probable earlier diagnosis of conduct disorder. Yet he is not, I’m quite confident, a sociopath.
Conversely, Ted has had no significant mental health diagnoses I’m aware of, yet I suspect he has a touch, if not more than a touch, of sociopathy in his personality. (I suggested this to a team of providers involved with Ted, who hadn’t considered it but were disarmed and intrigued by it.)
What is it about Ted that got me thinking along the lines of sociopathy?
Yes, he is socially facile—gregarious, glib, a schmoozer, described by others as “outgoing.” But while relevant, let’s be honest: this (alone) could describe a fourth of the population.
But what further raised my eyebrows was Ted’s reaction to his pattern of leaving women feeling disturbed by his aggression—specifically, he makes excuses, rationalizes his behaviors; consistently denies and/or minimizes his actions; and tellingly, conveys no empathy for the experience of the women.
His concern, in other words, begins and ends with how these incidents will impact his subsequent employablility; there isn’t the remotest (genuine) interest in his effect on his victims.
This is one aspect of the emotional vacancy—expressed in this instance as a lack of empathy—that I suggest can signal possible sociopathy.
Ted, incidentally, is not cruel, or driven to hurt others. He insists he doesn’t “get off” on leaving women feeling uncomfortable and threatened, and I tend to believe him.
His sociopathic quality, if I’m right, is reflected less in an intentionally hurtful agenda than in his emotional indifference to the unintentional hurt he inflicts in the self-centered pursuit of his momentary needs.
Ted is more impulsive than calculating, more thoughtless than scheming. He sees a woman undressing, for instance, in a dressingroom and he wants a view. He knows intellectually that it’s the wrong thing to do. But he wants the view.
He knows that if the woman sees him peering in on her, she will be upset. As I said, he doesn’t relish, it seems, the idea of upsetting her so much as he cares too little about her discomfort, her sense of violation, to deter him from taking what he wants—a view of her.
There is a second aspect of Ted’s emotional vacancy that I find possibly indicative of sociopathy: When I’m with him (unlike my experience with Allen) I feel that I am not really there for him. Yes, he is inquisitive, wants to know how I’m doing, what’s up with this and that? He schmoozes, as I’ve said.
But it’s a bit like the experience you might have with a politician who, trolling the crowd, looks you in the eye and asks questions of interest and shakes your hand, but all the while you feel like he’s really looking through you, or beyond you, to the next hand he’s waiting to shake, the next vote he’s canvassing. You feel that a second later he will have blotted out the memory of the interaction and, on parting, you.
I have this experience of Ted—nothing malicious-intended. He’s not taking anything tangible from me. Just that, in my interactions with him, I somehow don’t feel completely real”¦to him.
Not all sociopaths are alike, we know that. And I’m certainly not suggesting that many sociopaths, at least for a while, can’t leave you feeling just the opposite—as special, as if you’re the only person in their universe.
But there are sociopathically-oriented individuals who don’t do this well—whose emotional emptiness and soulessness somehow rub off on, as if get transferred into you, leaving you (on the receiving end of the interaction) feeling vaguely as if something’s amiss, not whole, that something was, or is, missing.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2008 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Iwonder: geez, they ARE PODS!!!!! podspodspodspodspods!!!
a week before my ex-p/s/n told me he had been cheating for months and had gotten his new gf pregnant(!), he asked me to buy him $150 sneakers! (“i really need them!”) AND … a week before that, he asked me to pay off one of his credit cards (“just one of them … okay?”). they have nerve that just doesn’t end!
and all of this, three months after i had to declare bankruptcy! of course, i said ‘no!’ … and his response? ”wow, you really don’t love me anymore, do you!” and all the while he’s lying, cheating and stealing from me (now i know where my much beloved amethyst ring and my charm bracelet went, though he swore on his kids he didn’t take them. OF COURSE HE DID!)
i don’t think a p/s has any trouble ‘swearing’ on their own children in order to manipulate or propagate a lie. no boundaries, no conscience!
going out to buy healthy foods so i don’t eat any junk later on a whim. gotta drop this socioweight! the stress was unbelievable as i constantly tried to figures it all out, understand what was real. god, what kind of beings are these? i am just grateful that i didn’t have a heart attack or a stroke because of him … i felt as though i just might … no joke.
TOWANDA!!!!
Jen2008,
You expressed that sense of unease so well, that “odd” kind of thing about them. I remember feeling like he sucked all the air out of the rooom. I knew there would be no joy, no laughter, nothing “light”.
What I didn’t know then, was that the constant flow of “problems” were either manufactured or amplified so he could watch me sweat and worry.
Even tho I stayed for a VERY long time, I always felt that slightly out of sync, not really on the same page feeling. Even when we sat and agreed with each other on something.
For me the bottom line is I was totally identified with the concept of his “love” for me and our kids, was afraid of being alone, and couldn’t face wrecking what outwardly looked like a pretty idyllic family. And in my case the abuse was overt and he was very self contained.
I felt empty, lonely, disconnected to him, but thought our constant turmoil of “problems” was just circumstance. When I did start to see a pattern, of rash impulsive, overly optimistic decisions on his part, living with no plan B and so on- he was in total denial, and still is. He sees no pattern, or won’t admit to one. When I look back now, most of the time he just got away with some kind of scam – so why change?
I guess the sad truth is that if a person has no feelings, then behaving as these P’s do feels like it should be. Mine used to always say “first you have to love yourself” which of course we all agree with. Only now do I realize a more sinister application of that motto. – He spelled it out once when he said, “The way I work is I take care of me first” he didn’t add and second third and forth.
Back to the garden to harvest some healing herbs.
Hugs
Dear Blondie,
Yes, it takes time to figure out all the triggers, and to trust again. I think (just MHO) that it isn’t others so much that we don’t trust, it is ourselves that we don’t trust–to SEE who is good and who is bad. If that makes any sense.
I am just now learning to forgive and trust MYSELF, trust myself to set appropriate boundaries and to see and recognize the RED FLAGS etc. Until I forgave myself for being “stupid” all my life and letting these people run rough shod all over me, I couldn’t TRUST myself not to let people do it again.
Now, I am trusting myself to take care of me–IF someone walks on my boundaries.
It takes time, Dear friend, and you will get there, don’t be too hard on yourself…you have made remarkable progress in the time I have known you here on LF and none of us get there over night—look at me, I’m 61 years old and I have just been “reborn” and I am now “parenting” myself as I GROW UP! LOL (((Hugs))))
yes, OX, that’s it! we don’t trust ourselves to see who is good and who is bad. i’ve always made the WAY-wrong choices in men. always! but my dad was a s/p/n, so it must be some sick inbred thingy! ewwwww…
mostly, it was passive/aggressive sorts, but each time they just liked to whittle away at my self-esteem, my soul, my spirit and suck the light and love out of me.
now, i know better. this sure as hell won’t happen again.
i think we have to stop fighting life, as though we have control over it. we need to yield to what we need to learn/hear, and stop fighting the flow of the universe.
i, for one, want peace and harmony. the drama, the ‘noise’ almost killed me this time around.
let go and let god..
and never forget
TOWANDA!!!!
Dear everyone, stop beating yourself up for being fooled by them. You assumed they were just as responsible and mature as you. Not knowing what you were dealing with.
I hope you progress in your healing and regain the peace and harmony you deserve. We all deserve that.
Peace.
Wini – They did fool us and we are left with feeling like a fool. I had a great day with a friend, he helped me all day clear out some tree’s, burned brush, transplanted shrub’s, we cooked out and just had a wonderful busy day. It’s nice to have someone that enjoy’s doing thing’s with me and thing’s that we both enjoy. We can talk or just stay busy and not talk and it’s good. But alway’s in the back of my mind i was thinking of him (M). I miss being joyful and light hearted – my friend is everything I wanted in (M) but I don’t feel at peace. Don’t know guess it will take more time. I was thinking (M) didn’t enjoy anything that I did, and I remember always putting the thing’s I wanted to do off, so I could keep him intertained. It’s so nice not to have the stress and drama anymore. I just want some joy and excitment back in my life. I want (M) to stop occupying space in my mind. I am haunted by him – i should be so happy right now. Not with (D) but just with the chaos and drama and confusion being gone. I have made great progress over the course of the past six months. But like Lostingrief said the drama and the (noise) about killed her this time around.. I was close to death when he was here. What power do they have that they can do that too us? Where do we go when they take over? I know (M) was really pissed when I tool back my power. But he dropped me like a hot coal when I did. He will never know the effect he had on my life…..sorry for whining……everyone go look at the moon tonite…….
thanks ox. your right i dont trust myself or my feelings. time heals all wounds. i live by that.
Hello Everyone,
Most of us talk about how robbed and devasted we feel because of the elaborate ruse these “demons” engage in. We all know how “charming” they can be and how they seem to hypnotize everyone around them. After I broke up with my P I just thought no one would believe what really happened to me behind closed doors with my ex. I am slowly learning that so many of my close friends and people that I had befriended through the years with my ex didn’t really like him. They didn’t think he was “charming” AT ALL. I am hearing things like, “he was creepy”…”I always thought he was lazy”…”I thought he was a fake”…”You just couldn’t know him”…” he always seemed arrogant to me”.
Have any of your close friends or family had similar preceptions of your P’s. If so, why could we see what they saw? Was it becaue of our FOG?
Dear Henry,
We gave them the power, and we can TAKE IT BACK!!!
Starlight: Some people are like that, they didn’t like them and just kept quiet, but others are just the opposite, they “like” the p and can’t see why YOU couldn’t get along with them. But in either case, the “others” that haven’t seen the brunt of an attack, don’t realize the TOTAL TRUTH!
Blondie: You’ll get better, I promise you! Look at how far you have already come!!!
((((hugs to you all))))
starlight: EVERYONE i knew saw right through my ex-p/s/n.
i heard things like “not genuine” … “phony” … “player” … even ”empty”. i didn’t see it because i was completely blinded by his ‘game’. he was a master manipulator and would tell me (now i realize EVERYONE) exactly what they wanted to hear to ensure that he would get what he wanted. that’s all there is to it. that’s who they are. at least i know i was fooled by the BEST!!! somehow, that makes me feel just a bit better about being conned for 20 years!!!
now, after only 5 weeks of NC, i see it all clearly. it makes me feel sad and duped and stupid, but the lack of daily drama makes me feel human again.
TOWANDA!!!