This is an age old problem that seems to lack an easy answer. Do we warn others if we recognize that they are involved with individuals with psychopathic features? Is doing so a moral obligation or is it crossing the line?
Back in the day, it was easier. Sure, we saw our friends dating people we didn’t like or who made us uncomfortable, but we probably just thought of these individuals as “jerks.” We surmised that the relationships wouldn’t last and left it at that. Even if they did endure, expressing negative opinions on such matters tended to be taboo. As a result, typically, we said nothing.
Now, however, society is beginning to acknowledge and discuss psychopathy more readily. With this increasing awareness, we are coming to recognize that many of these individuals, who we once dismissed as mere “jerks,” are, in fact, pathological.
What do we do with our awareness?
Once educated on the matter, we are aware that things are more serious and worthy of warning. We also recognize how these individuals manipulate and control those around them, often very covertly, and in manners that evade the radar of many. Here, we know the dangers that can follow once involved with such disorder.
When this predicament presents itself, we know that our friends either don’t see the problems for what they are or don’t understand what it is they are dealing with. If they did, they probably would have dropped these guys (or gals) on their own. I don’t believe that anyone sets out to tangle with psychopathy. Yet, it happens. So…do we help?
That’s a tough one. Ultimately, it comes down to personal choices and beliefs. However, for me, I think we should (mostly)and I have.
How will they react?
The outcomes can be mixed. Sometimes, we strengthen the bonds of friendship, as there is camaraderie in such experiences. The torment is unique. Our friends may be relieved and thankful. They may appreciate that they are able to make sense of the things that were very, very wrong. At the same time, some may become angry and defensive. They may suggest that we have it “all wrong” or are simply “unsupportive.” If we choose to share our thoughts, we must be prepared for either outcome to occur.
It may be frustrating or disappointing to see and hear our friends defend individuals we know will ultimately bring them unhappiness or place them in harm’s way, but we cannot make their decisions for them. We can only share what we know, share how we know it, and unobtrusively make ourselves available. Sometimes, it helps. Sometimes, it does not.
Undoubtedly, this is a difficult subject to discuss. However, I have chosen to think of it this way; I know that if I saw my friends performing other dangerous acts, minimally, I would at least encourage them to move toward safety, even if I felt my suggestion might jeopardized the friendship. Why should this be any different?
It shouldn’t be, but it can be. Why? One reason is that there are fewer absolutes in these situations. Even if we recognize that our friends are in clear danger, the signs may be less obvious, especially to them. In the event that they were inches from the ledge of a tall building, there would be no questions. In that scenario, there’s no grey area. Clearly, the ledge is unsafe.
However, this may be less cut and dry, especially when the relationships are fairly new, with an absence of more tangible serious concerns. If we mainly rely on “gut” reactions, feelings, and red flags, our assertions are less concrete, even if incredibly valid.
While we may be able to pinpoint solid indicators of potential trouble, our friends may refuse to acknowledge our thoughts or question our assessments. If they stumble upon similar gut reactions themselves, they may question their own assessments too. The tendency is to move forward, giving others the benefit of the doubt. Individuals with psychopathic features bank on this occurring.
Unless seriously scorched by individuals with psychopathic personality traits prior, many don’t necessarily understand that this is real. Therefore, when we discuss the red flags or warning signs their “great guys/gals” display, they may not like it. They may do the same things we once did and minimize the problems, make excuses for them, and take things at face value, freely giving trust, rather than insisting it be earned.
Our heads tend to spin as we watch. “Don’t they see,” we ask? We recognize what is happening. Sometimes, they do not. Sometimes, we watch as they fail to make the important connections.
Why does this happen? Most people want to feel special. Anyone who has encountered or become entangled with individuals with psychopathic traits knows that initially they do just that. So, listening to friends may not top any priority lists, when they are hearing and getting what they want from their new prospects.
This may be especially frustrating when we witness those around us who seem to make repeated dangerous or unhealthy choices.
Either way, deciding whether or not to speak up may not be an easy choice to make. However, I feel I must share and help those I care about when I see things going wrong. For me, my decision to warn friends is one that I have become comfortable with. Thankfully, it does not happen too frequently. At the same time, I also understand that every person is different and so are the circumstances.
Where do we draw the line?
Who don’t we tell? Is sharing information of this nature always appropriate? This is another personal decision. However, I tend to feel that we should limit these discussions to our friends or others with whom we are very close.
There are certain scenarios in which no amount of “evidence” will change the minds of others. Some situations have the potential to become quite volatile. Sharing our thoughts and feelings may not only be fruitless, they may also be dangerous. With new resolve to take care of ourselves, we should respect the limitations that are inherently part of certain situations.
This topic is one that I am certain we all share many different views on. Some of us may feel letting others know what may lie ahead is a moral obligation, others may feel that it is crossing the line. I don’t necessarily think there is a right or wrong answer that neatly fits in every situation. Rather, the circumstances may dictate our actions. Either way, it’s something to consider.
Dupey, thanks…..I’m doing okay. I just want an end to this so I can start putting my life back together. I’ve been in limbo for nearly a year, and I got word from my attorney that the exspath’s attorney wanted another continuance! LMAOLMAOLMAO!!! Uh………………………no. And, the more that I think about it, the more it would be like the coward to not even appear for the hearing. Holy cow….
Hens…..LOLOLOL!!! I need another man like a fish needs a bicycle. Oy-vey…
Truthspeak: I can hear the resolve in your writing.
I just know you are going to be just fine.
You are the kind of person who just won’t have it any other way, just like me.
I have been in limbo for five years, non stop.
Stalked by a psychopath. It’s over. I am making it over.
I am sorry about your legal situation and will be praying for you that everything will turn out alright.
I just know it will.
It’s a big world and a big life…
one rotten apple doesn’t always spoil the barrel; hm?
Oy-vey is right!!!!!!!
Dupey
Truthspeak,
Glad you were able to talk things over with your friend. Grey Rock his gf as much as you can.
LOL, I used to write that exact saying on my binding maps as a teen (the one about men and fish and bycicles)
As for the divorce… you’d almost wish he found someone else to marry, preferably a female spath who claims to have lots of money 🙂
hens: someone stole my bozo button.
i was up all night cleaning and looking for it.
oy-vey!
Dupey & Darwinsmom, thank you very, VERY much for your words of support and encouragement. I am absolutely resolved. This is what it is. The g/f of my colleage has hit the socio-economic jackpot, and she knows it. She’s almost said as much, though not using that verbage.
There is one thing that I know for certain: this will sort itself out, soon enough.
As for the exspath? I imagine that he’s had another victim set up for a while, whether she’s wealthy, or not. I pity her, especially if it’s who he was going to the Big City with for whatever activities that they were engaging in were. She’s a young mother, and obviously has “issues,” and he will play her like a violin just as he did me.
Well, this instrument is off to be restrung and the only one allowed to touch me, again, is ME. I’m not the castaway that he thought I was. I’m a Stradivarius that was just scratched and bumped. But, I’ve got the tools to put myself back together and make the most beautiful noise, on earth.
TOWANDA………..I say
Do we tell?
Jim told me he would sue me for slander. I saw how he manipulated the judge during our court for the restraining order. I do believe Jim would do me some serious damage if I were to give another woman the heads-up about him. Yet, would I tell? Hell yes!
I know that sooner or later a women will call me about Jim. I know this cause every woman Jim has been with calls his ex.
I know that if I keep silent it will eat at me, and I will itch so bad to tell her, that I will do something that will put me in a bad spot. It would do less damage just to tell her when she approaches me.
And, I do believe it’s our duty to tell. There wouldn’t be credit bureaus, there wouldn’t be open court files, there wouldn’t be newspapers if we were meant to shut up and pretend it didn’t happen.
Remember that silence is the abusers power.
Jeannie812, I believe that there is a “duty” to speak truthfully, but only if the right opportunity presents itself. I have no intention of “warning” anyone about the exspath, and that includes his young and foolish playmate. I don’t have time or energy to spend ratting him out – I have a long, hard road to recovery, and that’s where I’m putting my attention.
If someone had come to me, early on, and told me what I was getting into, I don’t know if I’d have believed them. My personal feeling is that “warning” anyone about someone that we believe is spath comes down to a personal choice after intense examination of our motives, the opportunity, and so forth.
I’m choosing to keep my mouth shut about what happened simply because people sit the fence and decide that nobody that THEY know would ever do the things that exspath did. My attempts at exposure would only “confirm” that I’m the crazy bitch that the exspath has described.
Having typed this, it’s down to me and my choices as to how I’m going to use my precious energies.
Brightest blessings
slandering! why spath can do all the unspeakable things to us and get away without any consequences, but the moment we decide to stand up for ourselves and take action to hold them responsible. We are called crazy and even punished!? It’s our God given right to expose all Evils no matter what our motives are as long as it is the truth. We don’t have to stay a victim and have people tell us just accept it and move on. How do we force ourselves to have closure without some kind of justice?
New Life,
Unfortunately many (most?) people could actually care less what someone did to you…even if they believe you.
There are times and places to “tell” and to “expose” what the psychopath is. Unfortunately, with me, and with others I have known, when we try to tell others, we are in such a state of hysteria from what has been done to us, we come across as “crazy”
When I went to a new therapist for EMDR I spent 2 hours on the intake interview out lining that everyone in my family was “out to get me” or “out to kill me” and the therapist sat there listening attentively to my crying and telling him my history…and at the end of it, he VERY NICELY asked me if I could bring in witnesses to confirm my story. He was not sure I was not “crazy” and “paranoid” until my son D confirmed that what I was saying was true.
I hired an attorney to fight Patrick’s parole a couple of years ago, and I could tell over the phone that he didn’t believe a word I said but agreed to look at the evidence I had. I mailed him a foot locker full of documents about my son, letters from my son to the man he sent to kill me, etc. Then the lawyer called me back and said in a very supportive voice “your son is a VERYYYYYY BADDDD man” and I said to him, “You didn’t believe me did you until you saw the evidence.” He laughed and said “No, I really didn’t.”
While my therapist and the lawyer eventually came to believe my OUTLANDISH STORY, and realized it was OUTLANDISH BUT TRUE…not everyone who knows me believes me or even cares to listen. That’s just the way people are and I have to accept that.
I “tell” those that want to hear, and keep my mouth shut where people don’t care.
jeannie,
I think the important part of your post was the element where you mentioned: if and when the new victim comes for information to you. That implies the new victim is already troubled about the relationshit and seeking for information to validate her doubts about him.
It is different when we seek out the new victim while she’s being lovebombed and believes him the gift of the universe.