This is an age old problem that seems to lack an easy answer. Do we warn others if we recognize that they are involved with individuals with psychopathic features? Is doing so a moral obligation or is it crossing the line?
Back in the day, it was easier. Sure, we saw our friends dating people we didn’t like or who made us uncomfortable, but we probably just thought of these individuals as “jerks.” We surmised that the relationships wouldn’t last and left it at that. Even if they did endure, expressing negative opinions on such matters tended to be taboo. As a result, typically, we said nothing.
Now, however, society is beginning to acknowledge and discuss psychopathy more readily. With this increasing awareness, we are coming to recognize that many of these individuals, who we once dismissed as mere “jerks,” are, in fact, pathological.
What do we do with our awareness?
Once educated on the matter, we are aware that things are more serious and worthy of warning. We also recognize how these individuals manipulate and control those around them, often very covertly, and in manners that evade the radar of many. Here, we know the dangers that can follow once involved with such disorder.
When this predicament presents itself, we know that our friends either don’t see the problems for what they are or don’t understand what it is they are dealing with. If they did, they probably would have dropped these guys (or gals) on their own. I don’t believe that anyone sets out to tangle with psychopathy. Yet, it happens. So…do we help?
That’s a tough one. Ultimately, it comes down to personal choices and beliefs. However, for me, I think we should (mostly)and I have.
How will they react?
The outcomes can be mixed. Sometimes, we strengthen the bonds of friendship, as there is camaraderie in such experiences. The torment is unique. Our friends may be relieved and thankful. They may appreciate that they are able to make sense of the things that were very, very wrong. At the same time, some may become angry and defensive. They may suggest that we have it “all wrong” or are simply “unsupportive.” If we choose to share our thoughts, we must be prepared for either outcome to occur.
It may be frustrating or disappointing to see and hear our friends defend individuals we know will ultimately bring them unhappiness or place them in harm’s way, but we cannot make their decisions for them. We can only share what we know, share how we know it, and unobtrusively make ourselves available. Sometimes, it helps. Sometimes, it does not.
Undoubtedly, this is a difficult subject to discuss. However, I have chosen to think of it this way; I know that if I saw my friends performing other dangerous acts, minimally, I would at least encourage them to move toward safety, even if I felt my suggestion might jeopardized the friendship. Why should this be any different?
It shouldn’t be, but it can be. Why? One reason is that there are fewer absolutes in these situations. Even if we recognize that our friends are in clear danger, the signs may be less obvious, especially to them. In the event that they were inches from the ledge of a tall building, there would be no questions. In that scenario, there’s no grey area. Clearly, the ledge is unsafe.
However, this may be less cut and dry, especially when the relationships are fairly new, with an absence of more tangible serious concerns. If we mainly rely on “gut” reactions, feelings, and red flags, our assertions are less concrete, even if incredibly valid.
While we may be able to pinpoint solid indicators of potential trouble, our friends may refuse to acknowledge our thoughts or question our assessments. If they stumble upon similar gut reactions themselves, they may question their own assessments too. The tendency is to move forward, giving others the benefit of the doubt. Individuals with psychopathic features bank on this occurring.
Unless seriously scorched by individuals with psychopathic personality traits prior, many don’t necessarily understand that this is real. Therefore, when we discuss the red flags or warning signs their “great guys/gals” display, they may not like it. They may do the same things we once did and minimize the problems, make excuses for them, and take things at face value, freely giving trust, rather than insisting it be earned.
Our heads tend to spin as we watch. “Don’t they see,” we ask? We recognize what is happening. Sometimes, they do not. Sometimes, we watch as they fail to make the important connections.
Why does this happen? Most people want to feel special. Anyone who has encountered or become entangled with individuals with psychopathic traits knows that initially they do just that. So, listening to friends may not top any priority lists, when they are hearing and getting what they want from their new prospects.
This may be especially frustrating when we witness those around us who seem to make repeated dangerous or unhealthy choices.
Either way, deciding whether or not to speak up may not be an easy choice to make. However, I feel I must share and help those I care about when I see things going wrong. For me, my decision to warn friends is one that I have become comfortable with. Thankfully, it does not happen too frequently. At the same time, I also understand that every person is different and so are the circumstances.
Where do we draw the line?
Who don’t we tell? Is sharing information of this nature always appropriate? This is another personal decision. However, I tend to feel that we should limit these discussions to our friends or others with whom we are very close.
There are certain scenarios in which no amount of “evidence” will change the minds of others. Some situations have the potential to become quite volatile. Sharing our thoughts and feelings may not only be fruitless, they may also be dangerous. With new resolve to take care of ourselves, we should respect the limitations that are inherently part of certain situations.
This topic is one that I am certain we all share many different views on. Some of us may feel letting others know what may lie ahead is a moral obligation, others may feel that it is crossing the line. I don’t necessarily think there is a right or wrong answer that neatly fits in every situation. Rather, the circumstances may dictate our actions. Either way, it’s something to consider.
Hope52, I don’t recall seeing your ID, before, so I may have missed previous posts.
I have been posting frequently with regard to my situation, and I don’t have the energy to re-hash it all, right now. Suffice it to say, that I’ve got my situation in hand as much as possible.
My answer to the question about actively warning new potential victims is that it cannot be an all-or-nothing approach. My personal experience has demonstrated that attempts to “warn” targets of their impending doom typically are wasted.
It’s a personal call, and I choose to voice my opinion ONLY if I am asked, directly. Even then, I tread very, very carefully, as that friend or target may need a friend down the proverbial road.
P.S. I forgot to add he has blantantly said the most vile things to try to assasinate my character and there are places I can no longer go to. I know I count myself very blessed that I am out of the relationship now, however, I did care and that is what hurts, and the shock of his behavior – but it is all text book behavior from what I have read on this site. I had trouble fighting the urge to want to tell his people and parents the truth (he is in his 40’s) and yet I know he would come after me – not sure that they would believe me as they do not seem to really care or have ever held him accountable for his behaviors even as a child. So there is nothing I can do… but move forward this is the hardest part. I thank everyone for their posts as it has been very helpful as well but wow is my heart hurting.
Skysong, they might be just like him as well.
Just remember that they’ve known him a lot longer than you have. His behaviors are not new. They know what he is.
Don’t bother trying to warn anybody.
There is a high likelihood that your warnings will be used against you as in, “What a crazy woman she is; can you believe that she is saying these things about him?”
People who don’t want to know won’t believe you.
People who would like to know have already noted his bad behavior. Their warning bells have gone off.
You take care of you so you don’t get dragged under by him, or others like him, again.
Skysong,
I agree with G1S.
There are plenty of people in this world who would not seem to be psychopaths on the surface, but given the chance, they will join in with a bully to harrass and slander you.
I call these “spaths without balls”. The don’t have the balls to start a bully campaign but they’ll join in on the malice and relish every minute of it.
Normal people don’t relish anybodys pain. They don’t join in with bullies, though they might not defend you out of fear of being the next target.
Sometimes we have to look at what the spaths do to us as a favor. They reveal the true being of all the false friends around us. It’s very painful to learn, but I can’t think of anything more valuable.
Skylar,
LOL..That statement reminds me of some kind of tv show:
Monday, 10:00 pm (9ct) SPATH’S WITHOUT BALLS
Watch spaths, sub-spaths, minions, bully’s assistants, etc.
you only have to watche ONCE! why? Because they are ALL THE SAME!
sorry, got on a roll.
Skysong,
First off, I’m glad you escaped from a spath. Don’t bother warning the spath’s family members – they don’t care. My ex is a spath and I have warned different ones in his family – no-one cares. I personally think that the whole family (including the sister-in-laws who married into the family) collectively lack a conscience. Before I married the spath and while married to him, not one of these family members tried to warn me about their family member. It was only when we separated and I shared some of my experiences, telling them about how the spath is a liar (trying to tell them tactfully, being considerate of their feelings, thinking at the time that they didn’t know the spath’s true character) and about some of his shady ways, I found out that they already knew some awful stuff about him (which they conveniently kept quiet about). Now, I’m through with the whole family, not caring what happens to any of them.
Ana,
LOL! I’d watch that show! Once. It would actually be a good show, I’ll bet. It would educate some people.
I think we should call it: A spath and his minions.
ROTFLMAO
Skysong, I’m so sorry for your experiences. I agree with Bluejay – any attempts to “warn” anyone else is not going to be productive for you, or for them. They are either sitting the fence or in complete denial – they don’t want to hear truths. They could also be addicted to the drama/trauma associated with the spath. Who knows? But, you are your business, now – healing YOU, and we can’t very well “warn” anyone when we are raw, in pain, and trying to recover.
Character assassins, yes. That is a given. And, the only way to combat that is through No Contact, and recognizing that there is not one thing that we can do to “undo” the damages that the spaths have caused. We can’t go back in time and change what’s already happened. We CAN take this day and make it our own.
Ana…..LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! And, put them all on Spath Island…..
Basically the whole village warned me that the spath was bad news, had a bad past of being a thief and conning tourists… I ignored all of these warnings, because he said he had learned his lesson and I felt the village wasn’t giving him much of a chance to get his life back in order. I kinda thought the same thing about his father who didn’t seem to help him much according to what he said (didn’t actually start to converse with the father until several months later). And I could see that his cousins disliked him very much and didn’t trust him and were scared of him at times, in my opinion (at that time) for no apparent reason. I saw him as being the black sheep of the family, smething my father endured all of his life without cause because of his narcistic sister.
A year later though I had a good report with his brother and father. And that’s when they slowly started to reveal a few things about him, gradually more and more. His brother would insist the spath was a liar over the phone the last months. And his father on the one hand wanted a better life for his youngest son, but also had very good boundaries. They didn’t ‘warn’ me, but they validated me when I witnessed or eperienced a wrong by him, and they had no issue hiding from me they wouldn’t put up with his dramarama.
The only info I did not have was of the ex girlfriends. One even told me the opposite ‘that I could trust him’ when I first got to know him, even though she was the first to call me up and then tell me ‘good riddance, he’s always been a bastard.’ The ex-es and women he cheated me with came forward in the week after the mask went off, and that was exactly the last piece of the puzzle for me that made me instantly decide he’d never ever change. I personally belief that it was the sole warnings I would have accepted and relied on much earlier in the relationship; because it has always been my opinion that how previous partners were treated is the biggest aid to predict how you will likely end up being treated. I never even allowed even flirtation from a man in a relationship for exactly that reason. But that’s ME!
I did warn the new victim, but she’s still with him. So, it didn’t help. But it eased my conscious to know that I tried to do the right thing by her. And I also know that at some point in the future (not too far I hope for her), she will wise up or when echanged yet again for someone new, will find her way out of the maze partly because of the info I passed onto her.
Darwin,
I also was warned by a few people that he was trouble, even his own mother told me “you dont want to get involved with somebody like that” I asked what she meant and she said “he is a booger”..well I thot she was the problem because the x had told me his mother had abandoned him at age two and he was raised by his grandparents.
I am not perfect and had a few issue’s also, so I thot the two of us could put our troubled past behind us and finally have something wonderful = the two of us…
I wish I had listened to everybody, I wish I had listened to my gut, I knew from the beginning he was off. The main reason I let him stay here was I felt so sorry for him. And each time he cut my heart out and stomped on it I would forgive him. His pity ploy’s deserved an academy award.
Not only did I feel sorry for him I was half scared of him, he would make threat’s like ‘if you dont love me I will rock your fuckin world” so I schemed on how to get him out of my life because he was making no attempt to leave on his own.. We would have terrible ugly arguments and I would kick him out with his life belongings in a few paper bags. I even took him to the bus station, gave him the money for a ticket to his mom’s, well she called me and said ‘ he cant come here I cant do anything with him.” So again I felt sorry for him. Later that day he called crying, well he was homeless, would lose his job if I didnt let him have a place to stay,,,so again I told him OK two weeks and you have to move on.. During those to weeks he would convince me I was everything he wanted…The cheating never slowed down a bit.. So finally I gave him enough rope ( access to the computer ) to land him a new victim…and when he finally left the last and final time he said he was leaving me because he didnt trust me..duh?!~