This is an age old problem that seems to lack an easy answer. Do we warn others if we recognize that they are involved with individuals with psychopathic features? Is doing so a moral obligation or is it crossing the line?
Back in the day, it was easier. Sure, we saw our friends dating people we didn’t like or who made us uncomfortable, but we probably just thought of these individuals as “jerks.” We surmised that the relationships wouldn’t last and left it at that. Even if they did endure, expressing negative opinions on such matters tended to be taboo. As a result, typically, we said nothing.
Now, however, society is beginning to acknowledge and discuss psychopathy more readily. With this increasing awareness, we are coming to recognize that many of these individuals, who we once dismissed as mere “jerks,” are, in fact, pathological.
What do we do with our awareness?
Once educated on the matter, we are aware that things are more serious and worthy of warning. We also recognize how these individuals manipulate and control those around them, often very covertly, and in manners that evade the radar of many. Here, we know the dangers that can follow once involved with such disorder.
When this predicament presents itself, we know that our friends either don’t see the problems for what they are or don’t understand what it is they are dealing with. If they did, they probably would have dropped these guys (or gals) on their own. I don’t believe that anyone sets out to tangle with psychopathy. Yet, it happens. So…do we help?
That’s a tough one. Ultimately, it comes down to personal choices and beliefs. However, for me, I think we should (mostly)and I have.
How will they react?
The outcomes can be mixed. Sometimes, we strengthen the bonds of friendship, as there is camaraderie in such experiences. The torment is unique. Our friends may be relieved and thankful. They may appreciate that they are able to make sense of the things that were very, very wrong. At the same time, some may become angry and defensive. They may suggest that we have it “all wrong” or are simply “unsupportive.” If we choose to share our thoughts, we must be prepared for either outcome to occur.
It may be frustrating or disappointing to see and hear our friends defend individuals we know will ultimately bring them unhappiness or place them in harm’s way, but we cannot make their decisions for them. We can only share what we know, share how we know it, and unobtrusively make ourselves available. Sometimes, it helps. Sometimes, it does not.
Undoubtedly, this is a difficult subject to discuss. However, I have chosen to think of it this way; I know that if I saw my friends performing other dangerous acts, minimally, I would at least encourage them to move toward safety, even if I felt my suggestion might jeopardized the friendship. Why should this be any different?
It shouldn’t be, but it can be. Why? One reason is that there are fewer absolutes in these situations. Even if we recognize that our friends are in clear danger, the signs may be less obvious, especially to them. In the event that they were inches from the ledge of a tall building, there would be no questions. In that scenario, there’s no grey area. Clearly, the ledge is unsafe.
However, this may be less cut and dry, especially when the relationships are fairly new, with an absence of more tangible serious concerns. If we mainly rely on “gut” reactions, feelings, and red flags, our assertions are less concrete, even if incredibly valid.
While we may be able to pinpoint solid indicators of potential trouble, our friends may refuse to acknowledge our thoughts or question our assessments. If they stumble upon similar gut reactions themselves, they may question their own assessments too. The tendency is to move forward, giving others the benefit of the doubt. Individuals with psychopathic features bank on this occurring.
Unless seriously scorched by individuals with psychopathic personality traits prior, many don’t necessarily understand that this is real. Therefore, when we discuss the red flags or warning signs their “great guys/gals” display, they may not like it. They may do the same things we once did and minimize the problems, make excuses for them, and take things at face value, freely giving trust, rather than insisting it be earned.
Our heads tend to spin as we watch. “Don’t they see,” we ask? We recognize what is happening. Sometimes, they do not. Sometimes, we watch as they fail to make the important connections.
Why does this happen? Most people want to feel special. Anyone who has encountered or become entangled with individuals with psychopathic traits knows that initially they do just that. So, listening to friends may not top any priority lists, when they are hearing and getting what they want from their new prospects.
This may be especially frustrating when we witness those around us who seem to make repeated dangerous or unhealthy choices.
Either way, deciding whether or not to speak up may not be an easy choice to make. However, I feel I must share and help those I care about when I see things going wrong. For me, my decision to warn friends is one that I have become comfortable with. Thankfully, it does not happen too frequently. At the same time, I also understand that every person is different and so are the circumstances.
Where do we draw the line?
Who don’t we tell? Is sharing information of this nature always appropriate? This is another personal decision. However, I tend to feel that we should limit these discussions to our friends or others with whom we are very close.
There are certain scenarios in which no amount of “evidence” will change the minds of others. Some situations have the potential to become quite volatile. Sharing our thoughts and feelings may not only be fruitless, they may also be dangerous. With new resolve to take care of ourselves, we should respect the limitations that are inherently part of certain situations.
This topic is one that I am certain we all share many different views on. Some of us may feel letting others know what may lie ahead is a moral obligation, others may feel that it is crossing the line. I don’t necessarily think there is a right or wrong answer that neatly fits in every situation. Rather, the circumstances may dictate our actions. Either way, it’s something to consider.
Skylar, it’s odd that the topic of my living situation has evolved under this topic. This morning, though I “know” better, I am feeling a sense of anxiety building.
I was short on the rent at the beginning of the month, and it was late, at that – the spousal support was late in being processed due to the holiday, and the support is so minimal, I needed to save out some funds for other serious needs. So…a couple of days ago, the colleague says, “You’ll be paying the rest of the rent when (my son) gets his paycheck, right?” I assured him that we would certainly do that. Then, he made a “gentle” demand that we add an additional sum for propane for his grill, as we had offered to do that since we had been grilling food for meals – which also included their partaking of this food that we purchased, as well.
So, this colleague arrived from work, last night, in a very nasty mood and said not two words, even when I asked how he was recovering from a serious infection. One-word responses. He took my son to cash his check and be paid, and the bank wasn’t going to allow a withdrawal, at the time, because the deposit needed to be posted to his account and there weren’t enough funds in his account to cover the required withdrawal. My son said that he just kept quiet during this whole ride to the bank and back, and we both made ourselves scarce for the rest of the night.
I don’t know what it is that we’ve done to deserve this type of treatment, but this was offered to us as a sincere act of kindness. We don’t like this arrangement any more than my colleague and his abusive girlfriend do, and would MUCH rather be out of their dwelling than in it, at this point.
Perhaps, I’m just angry with myself because I allowed myself to believe that this was going to be an emotionally comfortable arrangement – that the girlfriend would be of the same ilk as my colleague. And, as it turned out, she is not.
So….this morning, I’m anxious and waiting for my colleague to rip into me – I’d seen him “in a mood,” before, but nothing like I experienced, last night.
Thanks for the opportunity to vent – I’d like to post some of the things that the g/f has done to purge, but it’s really pointless. UGH
Truthspeak: I am so sorry that you are going through such an ugly time right now. I have been in spots like that before and I have gotten OUT!
I even slept in my van for a couple years. It was a comfy van but a van nonetheless. But I had THE BEST PARKING SPOT AT THE STATE PARK ON THE WATER so I guess that made it alright. hahaha Surf and sand is always good.
I will be praying for you that your day will be filled with peace and assurance and resolve.
Hang in there.
Tough times are made TO GET THROUGH.
((((hugging Truthspeak))))))
Wanna’ go to the bar? hehehe
We might not make it back for a couple days…lol
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The reason I can’t watch these things…it’s not that I don’t ‘care’ – I do care, more than anyone could ever know…it’s just that it strikes such an enormous ‘trigger’ inside me, not just because of “IT”, entirely, either – there was the murder of my 2-1/2 year old Grandson. He would be 22 years old this year. There has been plenty more and when I see these events, it’s like re living everything all over again.
My therapist tells me all the time that there are GOOD PEOPLE in this world and I believe there are.
There is all of you: you guys are good and don’t hurt others…but I am fearful that ‘good’ is becoming extinct unless we fight to retain our virtues and compassions.
But I have seen so much ruthlessness and coldness and heartlessness that it is very hard to believe sometimes,
that NOT EVERYONE IS A PSYCOPATH.
When I see things like happened in Colorado, it strikes a very personal chord in me, more so than most. I don’t understand why that monster is still alive?? Is that my understanding of this? That he was dressed as the Joker and first shot into the air and then started shooting into the crowd. Homegrown terrorism. And, I would bet that most of these things are ppaths/spaths. Would be interesting to find out; wouldn’t it?
It’s not that we are hearing MORE of this. The ugliness is growing in relative proportion to the increase in people and increase in population. The more people, the more incident of crime. While that ratio is a good assumption, we have far too many ‘random’ psychopathic behaviors going on and we need to find a better way to ‘check’ people for dangerous behaviors and attempt intervention short of massacres; know what I mean? If that takes violating someone’s rights to step in and prevent mass homicide, I think the investment would be well worth the effort.
You are right, we HAVE become a desensitized society and culture. I have noticed the change take place over my lifetime. I just turned 61. IN MY LIFETIME I have seen a DRASTIC change in the way people are. It is so very sad that the ‘innocence of life’ is fading – where does that leave our children and our grand children? Where does that leave the fate of the world?
Have a good weekend Truthspeak…
I am burning a candle all weekend in thought and prayer for the innocent victims lost in Colorado.
…and burning the candle for world calm and a shift back to everything important in this life….
I will remember you in reflection today, My Friend…
Dupey
Dupey, I thank you so much for your strong words of support and encouragement – I don’t want to start bawling on account of I don’t want the colleague or his g/f to even have to direct their attention to me. It is what it is, and what helps me get through each day (sometimes, moments) is the knowledge that this is temporary and things could be SO much worse. I could be living in a box, somewhere, so I am grateful for their kindnesses, such as they are, and very fearful for my colleague’s future and well-being.
I can’t watch horrific news, anymore, either. I just can’t. I didn’t follow much on the Sandspathsky trial except for what was posted on LoveFraud – it’s too much trauma for me to comprehend. I’m so raw that any violence (even in ficitonal movies) sends me on a triggered level of anxiety. This is one of the reasons that I cannot tolerate – literally, TOLERATE – reality programming.
When the shootings at VA Tech occurred, I made a call to my youngest son to see if his older brother (spath) was alright. I had the horrible visual that my spath son was responsible.
For the victims, their families, friends, and the empathetic public, at large, I have the deepest sympathies and keep them in my positive thoughts and energies….
HUGS
((Truthspeak))
gray rock. That’s all you can do in an emotionally charged situation. Don’t feed into the cycle. I’m not pleased to hear that you had to contribute toward the propane, when they eat the food too. It’s such a small expense and he knows your current position.
Maybe there is something you can do to brighten his mood. Pick some flowers for him or bring him an art object from your class, a movie from the library to enjoy or just let him know you cleaned the kitchen. I don’t know the details of the situation, but an act of kindness can go a long way.
How about a little comic relief? Do ya’ll like cats? My Grandson introduced me to, “Simon’s cats” and I thought I’d share it with you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VLcLH97eRw
Love it! Kim!!!!!! And it’s exactly how cats behave. I remember how Midas (my parents cat) tried to boss around my Nelson (now dead, but then a kitten) and keep him away from food, the litter, and his sleeping basket. But when he slept, that little Nelson pranced around ON THE RIM of the basket.
It was hilarious!
Try, the, “Simon’s Cat, Catnap episode”. Very cute.
Yup that was a great one! But the best ones are Cat and Mouse and In a Box. It’s what happens to alllll of my boxes!
PS My dad just dropped TWO EMPTY MOVING boxes… and guess who went straight there to sniffle and investigate… ROFLOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKvNqe8cKU4&feature=fvwrel
Skylar, thank you – absolutely grey rock and cardboard cutout. The dynamics between this pair spread the tentacles out in so many directions and affect so many of my colleague’s relationships, and it’s just sad to watch.
As for me, my current situation is temporary, and I do acts of kindness throughout the day. Cooking, cleaning, feeding their dog (that they both “forget” to feed, for days on end), and as much yard work as I can cope with. It’s all part and parcel of winding up in a situation such as this, and if I could tell ANYONE anything to give them food for thought is this: a bad marriage must be dissolved through legal means. Legal means = money. Most often, when marriages finally collapse, the money is either going or gone, entirely. And, once it’s gone, that money tree is NEVER going to bloom, again.
So….he wakes up this morning after my post above, and everything’s peachy. Just dandy. I asked him if he had a particularly rough day, yesterday, and he said, “No, it’s just adjusting to being at the studio after working my job.” Yes, I understand this – it is a drastic change in lifestyle and, during the summer, is VERY demanding because he’s working 5 nights per week. Having said this, it’s only for the next 3 weeks, and being unpleasant to those who care isn’t necessarily the best way to handle one’s issues. BUT – at least I learned that he wasn’t ready to kick us out! LOL
It’s just a challenging situation, and it’s going to come to a close, soon enough.
Thanks, again, for the words of support and encouragement.
Oh, and I do love cats, immensely! They are the absolute perfection of comic relief!!!!
This video always makes me laugh really, really hard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFlnfwfKe7Y
And, this one is simply epic….tragic, but epic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kLqahiyuSs