By Ox Drover
What’s the most important thing the sociopath took from you? Money? Love? Your home? Your self-esteem? Sex? Or, is it something else, which in my opinion may be even more important than just about anything?
The most important thing I think I lost from every sociopath I ever dealt with was my own confidence in myself to make assessments about people and then, reasonable choices about those people, based on those accurate assessments.
Many former victims have said that they just have trouble “trusting others” again after being totally hoodwinked and ripped off for so many important things in their lives by the sociopath. Is it others that they don’t trust, though, or are they unable to trust themselves to make accurate assessments of others they may meet in the future? I think it isn’t so much others we don’t trust, as it is ourselves we don’t trust to make good judgments of the intentions and sincerity of others.
Dr. Abraham Maslow’s “hierarchy of needs” says that the first thing we are concerned with in our lives is out biological needs for oxygen, water, food and relatively constant body temperature. These are the strongest needs we have, about in that order, because if we don’t have these things not much else matters.
The next need we have, according to Maslow, when the physiological needs are satisfied and are no longer controlling out thoughts and behaviors, is the need for safety and security. We (adults) don’t usually think about “safety” until we feel threatened. Of course after we have been injured by a sociopath, we really don’t feel safe at all. Our world of safety is upside down.
The next highest need of mankind, according to Maslow, is the need for love, affection and belongingness. We seek to overcome feelings of alienation and loneliness by both giving and receiving affection.
If our need for “safety” is not satisfied, it is very difficult for us to seek affection, because we feel threatened.
However, because we had difficulty “seeing” from the looks or behaviors of past encounters with sociopaths that these people were “dangerous” to us, we become “paranoid” of others, especially new others. We want the affection of others, but because we have failed in the past to correctly assess the dangerousness of previous people we felt affection for, we are afraid to get too close to others. It is not so much the others that we don’t trust, as we don’t trust ourselves to make good choices.
Not feeling safe makes it very difficult for us to advance on to the “higher needs” such as affection and connectedness with others when we fear that we may make another poor assessment of another’s sincerity and motives with will lead to more pain and injury.
Rather than working on trying to trust others, I suggest we should work on learning to trust ourselves and our ability to make valid and correct assessments of others. This may seem that it is the same thing, but I actually don’t think it is at all.
How do we learn to trust ourselves again? How do we put our past mistakes in assessment of others we have sought to have mutual affection with behind us?
I think we do it slowly by forming new friendships, first of all, rather than looking for a lifetime mate. We meet new people in our environment, or go out and seek to interact with new people. We keep our distance at first from these new people, and we look at them, watching their behavior, and watching for the red flags of deception in their words and actions.
We educate ourselves on what we believe makes a good friend, and we accept nothing less in those that we allow to become closer friends.
We look at people who are already in our “circle” and assess them by what we know about their past and current behavior. Does this person now, or have they in the past, shown less than stellar respect for us? What are the benefits versus the liabilities of having this person in our lives? Maybe we decide that this person doesn’t fit well within our circle of people we think we can trust and we distance ourselves from them.
Just as a child slowly learns whom they can trust by observation, or just as an animal learns that certain people are liable to hurt them, or that certain people will reward them for approaching, we need to reeducate ourselves slowly and carefully, and learn to trust ourselves. If we trust ourselves, it will be much easier to trust ourselves to keep us safe when we venture into “unknown” territory, because we will know that we will keep ourselves safe by our valid and good observations.
We will also know that caution with others is a good thing to have. We will validate that we respect ourselves and love ourselves enough to keep ourselves safe without depriving ourselves of the opportunity to have the love, affection and connectedness that we, as humans, need and want.
Rosa,
Yep, my xP would not kiss me. BIG RED F***ING FLAG!
He complained that his teeth weren’t clean or whatever. 25 years and all I got was some little pecks.
Sex with him was like dating a prostitute! 🙁 no kissing.
I missed kissing soooooo much because I could kiss for hours with my teenage boyfriends.
My new friend – well, lets just say his kisses are like – therapeutic.
hey guys, haven’t been posting in a wweek or so, Still no job and havne’t gotten a resume together so i better get moving. I just feel kind of paralyzed at the prospect of a new job doing something diff than banking but i need to get on it. Not sure how many of you know of the detective who has been visiting me. at this point all i can find is that he’s like us , worse than i in that he’s been emotionally abused for quite some time. Long term marriage and he’s told a few of his coworkers about them separating and one young woman said pl don’t hold this against me but your wife is the coldest woman i’ve ever met. She then proceeded to tell him that her mohter treated her father like dirt for years, cheating ,e tc and finally one day her dad had it and left. I don’t see any red flags other than this detective seems rather naive, no diff than i though. The tears are genuine that he’s crying , he asked me why we would ever go back to these people, very complicated answer. He’s been visiting me on a reg basis and i don’t mind it bt i honestly think he needs professional help . This is what he does for a living too, helping women and men in toxic relationships, disputes, sexual assault but he can’t help himself. Ironic for sure but he is coming to the realization that it isn’ t him as he’s been blaming himself, of course with her help. The only thing she’s been able to come up with is that he works too much, helps too many people etc. I hope im not in fantasy land but by all accounts he seems to be a very kind , sensitive man but very damaged. love kindheart
Okay guys…..let it roar…..guess who got a call from TOM Sellek HOT GUY last night inviting her out to dinner tonight!!!!
So far, he’s followed through on what he said the other night…
Yes, that’s right……Mr. HoT, HOT, HOT, HOT man called…(FROM HIS HOME # BTW) did a bit of recon on him from that #…….found out he was ONE of 2 men……confirmed it later….
A politician whom I would NEVER date….who was just released from federal prison last year…….slime, scum and provided great reading of criminal charges and convictions…. and I’m sure his wife must have visited LF trying to figure him out……
OR-
He is a regular guy, blue collar, no funky public background, with a career that he and I could talk miles and miles about. Stable background check, in a position of GOVMT. clearance for private co……
Thank god he is #2……my heart was sinking….holy crap….HOT MAN is a convicted felon…..but no…..it was his same named nemasis!
So…..tonight I will pick up the donuts…….place them in my pants prior to exiting the car to the restaurant……and think of MATT AND HENRY the whole damn time……if he tries anything, he will be pretty shocked to find my britches stuffed with donuts and I am sure that will act as sexual COUNTER CONTROL and repellent! It will for me I know! I’ll be squishing around all night…..good thing we are not going dancing!
So…..my plan is… NO sexual therapy……
NO Jello Shots……..
ANd he better damn well bring me a box of GODIVA”S.
Mr. HOT MAN……HERE I COME!!!!!!
Kind:
Go read the posts up a bit about OUR needs to fix, help, pity, nurture……..
I don’t beleive your listening to your gut…….your waivering…..
Okay…so assume he is a kind, nice blah, blah….he’s a trainwreck of emotions and his shit is NOT together……..and YOU don’t have to FIX him…..
You have to “FIX” you……you don’t need to develope a relationship of mutual enabeling and bond on that preface.
YOU BOTH NEED TO BE ALONE……..and figure out what it is that attracts you to these ‘fix it tickets’…..as nice and genuine as he may be…..
SOme of us decided in postings above, that we diverted attention and ‘fixing’ of ourselves to others problems……
GIRL>…….you got WAY enough on your plate to be even thinking about Mr. Detective Man…….
Dont go there…..
Get that resume done and pound the pavement……
refocus fully on you!!!
XXOO
EB
EB:
When you’re trudging through your front door in the wee hours after your date, will you be saying “Time to make the donuts?” 😉
Dear Kindheart,
YOU NEED A “VERY DAMAGED” AND “ABUSED” MAN LIKE A FISH NEEDS A BICYCLE! You are a “fixer” picking up on “needy” people, who actually are users and abusers themselves, STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUY!
Take care of YOURSELF instead of focusiing on HIM—your problems are MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR YOU, don’t add problems of some one else (even if they are true victims) the biggest VICTIM and the most important victim is YOU—take care of you, that is your ONLY RESPONSIBILITY.
Get your resume together and spend all your time, ALL your time and ALL your effort on taking care of YOU.
Otherwise, you are jumping right back into the FIRE that got you here in the first place, trying to “help” others when you don’t “HELP YOURSELF”—look at the PATTERN OF YOUR PAST…it is surfacing again with this detective. You know I am a straight shooter and I care about you. This is the last I will say about it, but you must run your life, but poor choices, and “good intentions” won’t help you succeed in getting out of the RUT.
Kindheart, I see a red flag from here.
the detective is bad news. He understands the way people in broken relationships are because he studies it for his job. But he is using this knowledge to better target his victims.
What about the time you saw him laughing with the young guy who was supposedly driving his wife around? BTW, I’ll bet the detective knew about your arrest for taking the samples. Cops will investigate everyone they know, just to be nosy. So it could have been him that got you fired. Then he has you even more depressed and lonely and needing someone to turn to.
I think it might be time for you to find a job outside your community because I can tell you are going to be targetted over and over. This is really a bad situation, you need to become a gray rock. Gray rock attitudes do not drive away normal people. Only a P can’t stand a gray rock because they need to suck on your emotions. If you can be a gray rock for 6 months and he doesn’t lose interest, then you will know he wasn’t a P.
Erin,
whoohooo! You got a date with a hottie! you don’t have to have sex therapy, but you can try lip therapy, right?
Kindheart:
“This is what he does for a living, too, helping men and women in toxic relationships, disputes, sexual assault…”
What you are describing here, sounds more like a counselor or a social worker than a detective.
Are you sure this guy is being honest with you about what he does for a living?
I know a few detectives and police officers where I live, too.
My father actually hired some on a part time basis to work for him at his business.
The detective I know is NOT NAIVE. He is very well-trained, cunning, observant, and intelligent.
Most detectives possess these qualities, because their job is to solve crimes, & track down people who are wanted by the police, etc.
I have never really met a DETECTIVE who helped men and women in toxic relationships or anything related to that area.
That’s not what they are trained to do.
One more thing, Kindheart, most police officers, and ESPECIALLY detectives are macho and arrogant. They don’t take a lot of crap from anybody. That’s just the nature of the business they are in.
(That may be why there are so many male sociopaths (like Drew Peterson) in law enforement, just my own theory).
I don’t know, Kindheart. Something is NOT ADDING UP about your detective friend. Just my opinion.
But, I feel like something is a little off here.
Please proceed with extreme caution where this man is concerned.
Matt:
I am sure the ones I shove down my britches will be inedible by that time!!!!
I will need a fresh stock in the wee hours!
🙂