By Ox Drover
What’s the most important thing the sociopath took from you? Money? Love? Your home? Your self-esteem? Sex? Or, is it something else, which in my opinion may be even more important than just about anything?
The most important thing I think I lost from every sociopath I ever dealt with was my own confidence in myself to make assessments about people and then, reasonable choices about those people, based on those accurate assessments.
Many former victims have said that they just have trouble “trusting others” again after being totally hoodwinked and ripped off for so many important things in their lives by the sociopath. Is it others that they don’t trust, though, or are they unable to trust themselves to make accurate assessments of others they may meet in the future? I think it isn’t so much others we don’t trust, as it is ourselves we don’t trust to make good judgments of the intentions and sincerity of others.
Dr. Abraham Maslow’s “hierarchy of needs” says that the first thing we are concerned with in our lives is out biological needs for oxygen, water, food and relatively constant body temperature. These are the strongest needs we have, about in that order, because if we don’t have these things not much else matters.
The next need we have, according to Maslow, when the physiological needs are satisfied and are no longer controlling out thoughts and behaviors, is the need for safety and security. We (adults) don’t usually think about “safety” until we feel threatened. Of course after we have been injured by a sociopath, we really don’t feel safe at all. Our world of safety is upside down.
The next highest need of mankind, according to Maslow, is the need for love, affection and belongingness. We seek to overcome feelings of alienation and loneliness by both giving and receiving affection.
If our need for “safety” is not satisfied, it is very difficult for us to seek affection, because we feel threatened.
However, because we had difficulty “seeing” from the looks or behaviors of past encounters with sociopaths that these people were “dangerous” to us, we become “paranoid” of others, especially new others. We want the affection of others, but because we have failed in the past to correctly assess the dangerousness of previous people we felt affection for, we are afraid to get too close to others. It is not so much the others that we don’t trust, as we don’t trust ourselves to make good choices.
Not feeling safe makes it very difficult for us to advance on to the “higher needs” such as affection and connectedness with others when we fear that we may make another poor assessment of another’s sincerity and motives with will lead to more pain and injury.
Rather than working on trying to trust others, I suggest we should work on learning to trust ourselves and our ability to make valid and correct assessments of others. This may seem that it is the same thing, but I actually don’t think it is at all.
How do we learn to trust ourselves again? How do we put our past mistakes in assessment of others we have sought to have mutual affection with behind us?
I think we do it slowly by forming new friendships, first of all, rather than looking for a lifetime mate. We meet new people in our environment, or go out and seek to interact with new people. We keep our distance at first from these new people, and we look at them, watching their behavior, and watching for the red flags of deception in their words and actions.
We educate ourselves on what we believe makes a good friend, and we accept nothing less in those that we allow to become closer friends.
We look at people who are already in our “circle” and assess them by what we know about their past and current behavior. Does this person now, or have they in the past, shown less than stellar respect for us? What are the benefits versus the liabilities of having this person in our lives? Maybe we decide that this person doesn’t fit well within our circle of people we think we can trust and we distance ourselves from them.
Just as a child slowly learns whom they can trust by observation, or just as an animal learns that certain people are liable to hurt them, or that certain people will reward them for approaching, we need to reeducate ourselves slowly and carefully, and learn to trust ourselves. If we trust ourselves, it will be much easier to trust ourselves to keep us safe when we venture into “unknown” territory, because we will know that we will keep ourselves safe by our valid and good observations.
We will also know that caution with others is a good thing to have. We will validate that we respect ourselves and love ourselves enough to keep ourselves safe without depriving ourselves of the opportunity to have the love, affection and connectedness that we, as humans, need and want.
Sorry the last post is so bunched together. I copied and pasted from a Word doc. (I require the spell check feature.) :-/
Erin,
I often ask the same questions. So far, what I’ve figured out is that we must avoid the “exciting” people. People with lots of drama in there lives or stories of drama. People who have too much emotional baggage (like us LFers) are usually bad news. The boring people are the good ones. We just have to learn to like boring. It’s US that has to change.
I told my friend that what I like about him is his dedication to his goals. he’s very self-disciplined. The total opposite of me, I have no stamina. His exercise routine is 45 minutes of jogging, mine is 45 seconds full speed up 4 flights of stairs until my knees buckle. That’s why I’m n-supply and he isn’t.
kindheart,
Sometimes the most important thing we can learn in life is NOT what we learn about other people but what we can learn about ourselves.
You have got to focus on the FACT that you are “drawing in” the wrong kind of people into your life. They are always very “needy” and full of drama. In retrospect they DRAIN you from having anything left, to work on yourself and so you stay within the confines of this vicious cycle. And when one of these toxic people moves on ANOTHER one will take their place.
You will STAY in this cycle until you say NO MORE….I recognize this because I to used to be in somewhat of the same cycle. Many years ago.
These people will NOT take a step away from you, You have to take a step away from them. They can sense that you give them what they want. Nurturing, compasion, empathy, and a listening ear to their problems. Compassion and empathy are not bad traits girlfriend. However when you wear them on your sleeve for the entire world to see, they can be harmful to YOU.
The detectives problems are NOT your problems. Yet they might as well be. Your problems are falling to the wayside because you don’t have enough energy to deal with them.
Somewhere deep down inside of you, you have a “fairy tale” vision of you and this detective galloping off on a white horse together. Please at least give this some thought.
Its not going to be a hppily ever after fairy tale. He need to heal and you need to heal.
The more you invite him into your life to listen to his “tales of woe” with his wife the more “involved” you become. It reminds you of your own past, your own pain…..It impossible to not “entertain” the idea in your head of what if…….
This detective will not “help” you because he can’t even help himself. You can’t “help” him.
You can only focus on yourself. HELP yourself. Go N/C with this drama in your life. It is the only way to remove yourself from this cycle. It is the only way to have some energy left to focus on your own life. Your own problems. Getting a job. building your self esteem. Trusting your own judgement.
isabelle, First you need to find out the laws in your state or country where you live about recordings such as this being allowed into evidence. Talk to your lawyer and let him handle that.
kindheart.
You are addicted to your own emotions. The P’s see that as perfect N-supply. They suck it down. That’s what they do.
Gray rock means be BORING. Have no opinions, express no feelings, show no thoughts about anything. Tell him you are taking prozac and that you feel quite dead inside. Then when he comes over, you don’t react with any empathy, or shock or expressions of interest. Don’t bring up any subjects, just stare at the TV and answer all questions, with: “ok”, “sure”, “I guess”, “not really”, “whatever”.
Skylar,
I have talked to my lawyer about it. Video recordings ARE allowed. I just have to get these recordings off my daughter’s phone and onto the computer, so I can save them on disc. Her phone is now under high security protection. If anything happened, and this data was lost. Oh, I don’t want to think about it.
witsend , you are dead on about everything, the fairytale all of it. i couldn’t even see what you saw , in that i havne’t the energy to deal with my own issues and problems. you have read me like a book. Somewhere i have to get the fortitude to look for a job and focus on me. your post was so to the point i can’t deny the truth . I’ve got to figure out the resume, even that’s too daunting at this point, but i know i need to do it. love kindheart, thanks for being so frank.
kindheart,
Sweetie, the only reason I could see it and you can’t is because I have BEEN there.
It is ironic isn’t it, that you “think” you can help him, even with all of his MAJOR problems, but you find it daunting to do a resume? I mean if you really think about it…..But thats what happens when we are DRAINED by other people.
We can’t do the simple things.
The simple things are overwhelmong to us. Yet we feel empowered to do the IMPOSSIBLE. Fixing another person.
Google resumes….Start with a simple form and just fill in the blanks. YOU CAN DO THIS!
“Please God, DO NOT let ErinBrock’s Hot Man kiss like a crocodile. ”
Rosa….Thanks for your crocodile prayer!
Shit for all I know, it’s been so long…..I may be the one in crocodile mode!!!
🙁
I’ve decided on bouncy hair……but, my hairdresser has swine flu so I’m gonna need to attempt it myself…..I’ve got 5 hours to prep it up!
Ya’ll should expect the donut delivery in the am….keep your eyes peeled!!
Isabelle:
I would call the phone carrier on directly transfering it.
REMEMBER…..cell phone messages are only kept on the VM for a certain number of days and delete automatically…so make sure you get it done FAST!
What I did was buy a digi recorder that will transfer to the computer….(Wallmart)
I went into a small bathroom where it was quiet and recorded the messages onto the digirecorder….after each message press (5 on my phone At&T) and it will give you the VERBAL date and time and number that the message was dialed from.
This is needed.
Once on the computer, I made a disk from that…..
Do you still have the S’s phone records? If so…copy them and highlight the time and date he placed those calls…this is good backup…….An incoming call is not recorded on the phone that is called if only a message was left.
ALso……Remember, your daughters head is reeling, she is starting off where you did in the ‘discovery’ phase….do you have a therapist that ‘gets it’ and is aware of your situation wiht an S? She should talk to someone that ‘gets it’…..so she can understand these behaviors….it may help if you both went to see the same person for a few times and then let her loose, so you know she is being counciled on this topic.
Reconfirm that it is NOT her…..obviously she is aware something behavior wise from her dad is not right….or she would have never saved nor wanted you to hear these messages. She’s entering the ‘no spin zone’.
GOod luck my dear!
XXOO
EB