Lovefraud recently received the following letter from a reader:
“I am trying to understand what the sociopath is feeling. Do they feel love? Do they love? What hurts a sociopath? How can you communicate with a sociopath?”
The problem in dealing with a sociopath, or psychopath, is that they are fundamentally different from the rest of us. The extent of their difference is truly difficult to comprehend—until you’ve had a close encounter with one of them.
Let’s look at these questions individually.
Do they feel love?
The short answer is no. In order to feel love, a person must be able to feel empathy. Sociopaths do not feel empathy for other people.
Those of us who are capable of empathy may feel joy when a friend or relative has a baby, or want to help disaster victims by sending a donation, or cry at a poignant TV commercial. A sociopath does not have an emotional reaction to any of these scenarios. Whether due to genetic make-up, or a traumatic upbringing, or both, when it comes to feeling emotional connections to other people, sociopaths simply don’t get it.
They do, however, learn that by simulating an emotional reaction, or generating an emotional reaction in another person, they can get what they want. So they fake it. They mouth the words, “I love you.” For good measure, they plead, “I don’t want to lose you,” with tears running down their cheeks.
It is all an act.
A sociopath may be telling you that he or she loves you. What the sociopath really means is that he or she wants you like a hot new Lexus. You can do something for the sociopath—such as provide transportation. You can make the sociopath look good—providing a status symbol or the appearance of normalcy. The only reason a sociopath may be upset if you and the kids leave is because he or she doesn’t want to part with possessions.
What does a sociopath feel?
One of the key symptoms of a sociopath, or psychopath, is shallow emotion. In his book Without Conscience, Dr. Robert Hare writes,
“Psychopaths seem to suffer a kind of emotional poverty that limits the range and depth of their feelings. While at time they appear cold and unemotional, they are prone to dramatic, shallow and short-lived displays of feeling.”
They can feel anger and rage, but it typically doesn’t last very long and has no depth. Many people are mystified by the way in which sociopaths can turn emotions on and off. For example, the Lovefraud reader who asked the questions in the beginning of this post also wrote about his ex-wife:
“We met with a court mediator during our divorce proceedings. After accusing me of the most horrible things you can imagine, once away from the mediator, she broke down and cried hysterically asking, “Why are you doing this to me?” Ten minutes later she was bubbly and acting for the judge.”
One expert, Dr. J. Reid Maloy, wrote that psychopaths often feel “contemptuous delight” when they have successfully deceived someone. He also notes that they frequently feel boredom—which then prompts them to aggressively find stimulation, such as someone new to manipulate.
What hurts a sociopath?
Sociopaths do not experience hurt feelings as the rest of us do. They may pretend to be hurt in order to manipulate you, but again, it is an act.
This is an important concept for anyone trying to break free of a sociopath to understand. If you are breaking off a relationship, there is no reason to be nice. You do not have to try to let the sociopath down slowly or gently. Just say, “It’s over,” and leave. Then maintain a strict policy of No Contact.
You cannot hurt a sociopath’s feelings. He or she doesn’t have any.
How can you communicate with a sociopath?
Understand that a sociopath looks at every interaction with another person as an opportunity for manipulation. Therefore, your best policy with a sociopath is No Contact.
If you must communicate with a sociopath, always be on mental red alert. As Dr. Liane Leedom writes, the cardinal sign of sociopathy is lying. Anything said to you may be a lie, or, at best, a twisting of the truth. Furthermore, anything you say to the sociopath, any information you provide, may be used against you.
Here are some tips for communicating with a sociopath:
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1. Provide as little information as possible.
2. Document everything. Get communications in writing. If you are communicating verbally, have a witness.
3. Do not trust. Verify.
4. Be explicit and lay down the law. If the sociopath violates any terms, there must be consequences.
Implications of no empathy and no fear
Sociopaths do not feel empathy. As Dr. Liane Leedom and other experts have written, they also do not feel fear. Empathy and fear are the basic components of remorse and guilt—so sociopaths don’t feel those emotions, either.
What does all this mean? Sociopaths do not really care about people. They do not feel obliged to comply with society’s rules. They cannot be trusted to “do the right thing.” They have no morals.
That—in all its emptiness—is the true nature of a sociopath.
finding myself,
saying that he accepts all responsibility as opposed to DETAILING WHAT HE DID, are 2 very different things. Getting him to admit, in writing, notarized so that he can’t take it back would be IMPOSSIBLE. He is smart. He has a way of knowing what you want and giving you just enough to make you think you have it. But they will never let the WORLD know what they are because that would destroy their potential supply.
Skylar,
I aim to forgive for my Peace of Mind,
but I will Never forget…
The more I do read on this blog,the more I know in my heart that he fits the description of a spath perfectly,and I am still surprised that I was not a better read of character.
I want to move on.
I’m sure forgiveness will come and go,the same way my emotions do with this thing.
One minute,I am feeling sorry for him and missing him,then the next day,I am completely disgusted.
Thank God for this site,and my AA sponsor(who has been through the ringer with an abusive ex herself)to help me to work this out without having to discuss it with anyone else..
(Besides here,of course.)
The Reasons are:
A.-Most wouldnt understand it.
B.-I am a very private person for the most part,when it is about
my personal life.
C.-I have but only a handful of Real Friends at the moment(which is plenty to be grateful for,I assure you)..And I dont want to mention his name to them anymore.This site is a better place for me to vent,because you guys DO understand and are fit to comment and make suggestions based own your own personal experiences.
I think,in review,it is most likely that I am merely missing “the idea” of “what we had”,since in the end,he really WAS a different person..
Also,as I’ve already experienced,the grieving process will take me through the ringer as far as my emotions are concerned..
*Id like to end up at a Smart,Well-Balanced,Aware,Self-Protective,yet Open-Hearted person at the end of this experience,God willing.
It would be so easy for me to become bitter,
But FORGIVENESS is the only thing I know of that can help me keep love in my heart–So,It is my aim..
(And one minute,when I am reminded of him,I think,”Poor,Sick,Guy..”,
then the next,Im thinking,”That Mother F**ker,I outta serve him a quick right-hand hook in the nose”….I am not THERE yet,ha ha : D)
I will definately need help,support,and encouragement from you all as I ungracefully attempt to rid myself of this nasty,giant thorn in my side.
My life is pretty full and exciting Without him.
He was just the icing on the cake,when we got together,
before it all went South..
My Self respect and Dignity are the two things,
I want to continue to make my priority.
He is a bump in the road..
I’m getting on the highway.
Not gonna let that sucker get me down!
He’s a fool,and he lost something very precious..
And doesnt know the difference..
Im continuing to read stories,and everyones posts..
It is nice to be in a place where people “get” exactly what Im going through..
Thanks for continuing to show up and share your experiences.
It has been very helpful to me..
truelove – you seem to be making your way a road of self acceptance and forgiveness. be careful with applying this to the spath – it is a line most of us need to draw in the early days. We CANNOT treat them like they are normal, but damaged. I too have seen wrecked lives turn around in program, but spaths are NOT addicts, fundamentally capable of change. be careful of anything that creates a soft heart in you for him. i know this is counter-intuitive if you have spent time in program, but you cannot apply the same criteria to them – they are NOT like us. Doing so is part of what landed me in it with the spath to begin with.
Forgiveness is excepting what happened happened and not letting the past shape our future anymore, if that’s possible, I am workin on that anywho..
Well, the moose is loose…..And back online.
Thought I might have some feeling about it. I don’t.
Its all just over for me.
I hope having learned from the experience does shape my past in as much as that is about gaining wisdom from it.
What happened, happened. No denying it. But it is in the past now.
Unless I dwell on it. its past.
The only thing we can count on is that things change…
I am not so sure if it is a good thing for us to forgive these spaths that have done such terrible things to us. Everytime I do that I get weak..I find it better for me to keep thinking about all the awful things he did rather than the fake good times and try to hang on to my disgust…it hurts but it reminds me of who he really is and that he really did not love me. they arent crazy..they know what they are doing but just don’t care. So…why should we forgive them for what they have intentionally done to us? Mine has been trying to get through to me bc he needed money and a place to live..he loves me so much blah blah blah. He does not love me. He just needed to use me for something. He is already staying with the girl he cheated on me with bc I would not let him come here. He does not love her either bc if he did he would not be professing his fake love to me while staying with her. It is disgusting. Why should we forgive them? I guess everyone deals with it differently but what do you guys think? I have been bad with nc but I also am not falling for his bs. I know there is no point in communicating with him at all but maybe I am just used to the constant drama? Idk. I moved here by myself 3 years ago for a job and I really don’t like this area…I only stayed so long bc of him. I am looking for a job back home so I can be around my family and friends again and away from him. I wont have to worry about seeing him at the gas station or store or anywhere. I will not be looking for his car in fear that I might run into him everytime I leave the apartment. Yes..I am running away I guess but I also feel like I am running to something better that I should not have left in the first place. We all let them do this to us bc we are good people and believed in them but whyshould we forgive someone who emotionally raped us? Not saying it is wrong but I am not sure I understand.
Broken,
You don’t have to forgive. In fact, why would you? You’ve been insulted as have we each. And that in a way so base it nearly defies description.
Forgive them?
Nah. Just let go. Are you teasing him or yourself with being in contact? How does that fulfill you? There are many, many testimonies here about how playing with them leads to one thing after another but in the end, the story is always the same.
Just move on. There is more in the world. Much, much more.
Guys, back to the DEFINITION of “forgiveness”
My egg donor’s “definition” of FORGIVENESS was “FORGET That they deliberately hurt you, and pretend it never happened, and TRUST them (even though you know they will do it again) and then, when they do it to you again, rinse and repeat.
That was what she INSISTED I DO. Of course SHE never did that. She never forgot! EVER!!!
Well, NEW DEFINITION, BY OXY
I try to be a Christian, but NOT in the sense that my egg donor claims to be a “christian,” but in the sense of reading the Bible FOR MYSELF.
The Bible does tell us to forgive a brother WHEN HE ASKS, but in other spots talking about forgiveness it also says if they keep on “sinning” that you should talk to them about their bad deeds,, and then if they don’t listen to you and change, then you get witnesses and all of you go confront them, if they still don’t listen, then you take it to the church (community) and if they still won’t listen treat them like a heathen, don’t even EAT with them. Doesn’t that sound sort of like NO CONTACT?
Secondly I saw that the Bible (In my opinion) does not equate forgiveness with trust. In the story of Joseph whose brothers sold his arrogant teenaged self into slavery in Egypt where he ended up becoming a great sage and ruler, second only to pharoah and then the brothers show up 20-30 years later begging to buy food because there has been a terrible famine in the entire area. Joseph recognized his brothers but he did not reveal himself to them. First, he TESTED them to see what kind of men they had become, and found that they HAD REPENTED for selling him off because they saw what great grief it had put on their father’s head. He saw that they would even give their lives to protect the last youngest brother from harm because they did not want to send their father to his grave in such grief as to lose both Joseph and Benjamin.
ONLY after seeing what kind of men they had become since he had seen them last, did Joseph reveal himself to them as their brother. Yet the story had said how he had long ago “forgiven” them for what they did.
So Oxy’s new definition of “forgiveness” is to get the BITTERNESS against them out of your own heart, but it does not mean you have to trust them.
Harboring Bitterness and hate in our hearts is sort of like US drinking poison and expecting someone else to die. So the “forgiveness” is simply for us to quit being BITTER and focusing on that bitterness all the time, but trust them? NOPE not a chance!
Forgiveness is not the same as “forgetting” and sure not the same as “trusting” them again, it just means WE have spit out the poison they fed us.
BTW anger and bitterness are not the same thing.
Wrath is the “bitter anger” that is nasty and hurtful. Jesus said “be ye angry and sin not” so anger is no sin, it is a justifiable reason to feel angry after you have seen or experienced injustice. Even JESUS was angry at times. But Jesus said “Let not the sun go down upon your wrath”—but wrath is not just ordinary anger, it is bitter, hateful, vengeful smoldering terrible anger that has like a dead corpse, lain and rotted—so that is the kind of anger/wrath/bitterness/hate we need to get rid of, but our justifiable anger we can keep as long as we don’t let it become rotten and poison to us!
Pieces, going back to your area of safety and support is NOT “running away” it is being SMART. Go and STAY where you have support and love!
Ox,
Exactly.
Let go of the bitterness. It will hurt you, not anyone else. Accept that it happened and keep going in a direction that is healthy.
So, Broken, head home with all due speed. Be surrounded by familiar places and faces and realize that you are not, by any means alone.
The disordered won’t ask for forgiveness in any way that has meaning (like coughing up a piece of their soul). SO turn away and just keep going.
There isn’t any reason to it. Its just about winning for them. And that means getting over on you, again.
We’re here for you kiddo!
Ox, great post!
This forgiveness thing is a really difficult issue for me. I know that to “forgive” means to “let go.” It’s impossible for me to Let Go of something that plagues me 24/7….no matter what I’m doing, talking about, or who I’m talking to, *IT* is somewhere just below the surface.
Like purewater & shabby, I replay it ad infinitum, trying to understand, trying to remember: what did I do that was so wrong? or: if it was wrong, was it because of the distance he created between us by his total involvement with her? or: was what I did/didn’t do even wrong? it didn’t seem that way at the time. only after he left & he slammed me with everything about me being wrong. &: if it was so wrong, if it caused him “suffering & anguish”, WTH didn’t he say something about it to me then—-instead of in letters to her written only a few short months after he came “home” from prison!
Yeah, just as soon as I feel I’m seeing it all clearly & have wiped the slime off myself, it all grows right back on me & thicker than ever.
Forgiveness? My son was telling me yesterday about his constant prayers….GOOD prayers. I told him that my constant prayer was to the God of David to repay Jamie for what he did to me, to deny him the happiness & the love & the future he denied me. My good son said, “mom, you need to forget that & just be thankful for all we have & all we will have in the future.”
And then, this morning I was sitting in church, praying to the same God of David to destroy Jamie for my sake.
And then I take communion & cry my eyes out, begging for forgiveness for my unforgiveness….& cry all the way home from church, convicted Once Again for all MY “sins” against Jamie!
Like purewater said on Friday which expresses my feelings exactly:
“Then, there’s the bitterness inside, just waiting for something to fall out of the sky, like a piano, or a radioactive asteroid (on him), to make everything ok” and, I don’t want to feel like that either”
I’m stuck. When will this emotional limbo end? I am strong, but I feel like God isn’t throwing me any bones here” and I’m left grasping for answers that just aren’t there.
The most horrible reality that I can think of is never getting closure to this, for my entire life. Breating my last breath, still in this emotional pain, realizing that not only did he win, but he was somehow “justified”, too. I DESERVED it all, and he just walked off, whistling and happy as can be into a bright sunset.
I would say my feelings verge on envy, but honestly, it’s worse. I feel so horribly used and broken, that I can’t even fantasize about being in love again. It would be nice if I could realize my anguish comes from just not focusing on the right things”
This anguish comes from being wounded, still, and not having closure” and, realizing that I may never get closure.”
Oxy is right. We need to create our own closure, but I was crying in church this morning, asking, “How long, Lord, how long?” How long before I CAN create closure? How CAN I create closure when everything in me feels so broken, so disjointed, so fragmented? Is my own seemingly unsurmountable depression going to doom me to a life of nothing gained?