Lovefraud recently received the following letter from a reader:
“I am trying to understand what the sociopath is feeling. Do they feel love? Do they love? What hurts a sociopath? How can you communicate with a sociopath?”
The problem in dealing with a sociopath, or psychopath, is that they are fundamentally different from the rest of us. The extent of their difference is truly difficult to comprehend—until you’ve had a close encounter with one of them.
Let’s look at these questions individually.
Do they feel love?
The short answer is no. In order to feel love, a person must be able to feel empathy. Sociopaths do not feel empathy for other people.
Those of us who are capable of empathy may feel joy when a friend or relative has a baby, or want to help disaster victims by sending a donation, or cry at a poignant TV commercial. A sociopath does not have an emotional reaction to any of these scenarios. Whether due to genetic make-up, or a traumatic upbringing, or both, when it comes to feeling emotional connections to other people, sociopaths simply don’t get it.
They do, however, learn that by simulating an emotional reaction, or generating an emotional reaction in another person, they can get what they want. So they fake it. They mouth the words, “I love you.” For good measure, they plead, “I don’t want to lose you,” with tears running down their cheeks.
It is all an act.
A sociopath may be telling you that he or she loves you. What the sociopath really means is that he or she wants you like a hot new Lexus. You can do something for the sociopath—such as provide transportation. You can make the sociopath look good—providing a status symbol or the appearance of normalcy. The only reason a sociopath may be upset if you and the kids leave is because he or she doesn’t want to part with possessions.
What does a sociopath feel?
One of the key symptoms of a sociopath, or psychopath, is shallow emotion. In his book Without Conscience, Dr. Robert Hare writes,
“Psychopaths seem to suffer a kind of emotional poverty that limits the range and depth of their feelings. While at time they appear cold and unemotional, they are prone to dramatic, shallow and short-lived displays of feeling.”
They can feel anger and rage, but it typically doesn’t last very long and has no depth. Many people are mystified by the way in which sociopaths can turn emotions on and off. For example, the Lovefraud reader who asked the questions in the beginning of this post also wrote about his ex-wife:
“We met with a court mediator during our divorce proceedings. After accusing me of the most horrible things you can imagine, once away from the mediator, she broke down and cried hysterically asking, “Why are you doing this to me?” Ten minutes later she was bubbly and acting for the judge.”
One expert, Dr. J. Reid Maloy, wrote that psychopaths often feel “contemptuous delight” when they have successfully deceived someone. He also notes that they frequently feel boredom—which then prompts them to aggressively find stimulation, such as someone new to manipulate.
What hurts a sociopath?
Sociopaths do not experience hurt feelings as the rest of us do. They may pretend to be hurt in order to manipulate you, but again, it is an act.
This is an important concept for anyone trying to break free of a sociopath to understand. If you are breaking off a relationship, there is no reason to be nice. You do not have to try to let the sociopath down slowly or gently. Just say, “It’s over,” and leave. Then maintain a strict policy of No Contact.
You cannot hurt a sociopath’s feelings. He or she doesn’t have any.
How can you communicate with a sociopath?
Understand that a sociopath looks at every interaction with another person as an opportunity for manipulation. Therefore, your best policy with a sociopath is No Contact.
If you must communicate with a sociopath, always be on mental red alert. As Dr. Liane Leedom writes, the cardinal sign of sociopathy is lying. Anything said to you may be a lie, or, at best, a twisting of the truth. Furthermore, anything you say to the sociopath, any information you provide, may be used against you.
Here are some tips for communicating with a sociopath:
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1. Provide as little information as possible.
2. Document everything. Get communications in writing. If you are communicating verbally, have a witness.
3. Do not trust. Verify.
4. Be explicit and lay down the law. If the sociopath violates any terms, there must be consequences.
Implications of no empathy and no fear
Sociopaths do not feel empathy. As Dr. Liane Leedom and other experts have written, they also do not feel fear. Empathy and fear are the basic components of remorse and guilt—so sociopaths don’t feel those emotions, either.
What does all this mean? Sociopaths do not really care about people. They do not feel obliged to comply with society’s rules. They cannot be trusted to “do the right thing.” They have no morals.
That—in all its emptiness—is the true nature of a sociopath.
Dear whyme<
(((((WHYME)))) Oh, my dear, I can so relate to your pleas, of "how long, Lord?"
Remember the storys in Samuel 1 and 2 about David and Saul, and how Saul determined to kill David and God through Jonathan warned David to flee, and David lived in the wilderness for several years.
Now first off, God COULD have kept David safe by having Saul quit trying to kill him, but God didn't do it that way did he? David and to go to the wilderness—and I BELIEVE it was because there was a LESSON FOR DAVID in that wilderness. I too had to FLEE into the "wilderness" and live in my little RV "Cave" and I even named it after the cave in which David lived. I KNOW there was a LESSON for ME in the wilderness….I eventually found it and like David, I was allowed to return to my home.
God Asked Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac. God KNEW ALREADY what Abraham would do, he didn't have to "test" Abraham to know what Abraham would do–so why did God do this, ya think? I THINK it was so ABRAHAM would know how far he would go to obey God. So ABRAHAM would believe and know his own mind, his own strengths. Not so God would know, because God already knew.
Sometimes I think we get these lessons so that WE WILL LEARN how strong we are.
We are told to "pray for those who persecute you" and that's pretty clear on how we are to pray for them. I DID NOT WANT TO DO THIS…any more than Abraham wanted to slay his son. But I knew I needed to obey God's command so I wrote out prayers for them and read those words aloud, and I DID NOT MEAN A WORD OF IT. God knew I didn't mean a word of it, but I SAID those words until it actually HELPED ME TO GET OVER THE WORST OF THE BITTERNESS. "God bless my P son, change his heart. God bless my egg donor and let her see the light, Amen"
Sure what I was wanting to say was "God blast them like you did Sodom, rain down fire and brimstone on their heads, make them burn in hell for ever, amen."
I figure God knew that, but believe it or not, as I kept on saying the words of praying for those that had tried to kill me, the bitterness left me. I still have to work on it, it won't stay gone forever unless I keep an eye on it, and don't let it creep back, but praying for THEM actually resulted in BLESSINGS for me. The blessing of not feeling the bitterness and poison in my own soul.
Sure, I do NOT forget what they do, I do not trust them, or want to be with them, but I am no longer focused on them or the past, but looking toward the future.
And believe me, the bitterness was in my heart to the point that I lay awake nights trying to figure out how to kill them and get away with it. I don't ever want to feel that bitter, that violent, that negative that wrathful again. It is an UGLY FEELING. I'm glad it is gone.
I WILL protect myself even if it meant killing them if they attacked, but I will not let myself be eaten up with the desire to kill them, the desire to take revenge. I will leave the revenge to a just God, and personally, I cant think what could be worse for them than to fall into the hands of a God of Justice!
WhyMe, I totally understand the struggles you are having with the whole forgiveness thing, but please understand that the foorgiveness is for you, not him. It enables you to have peace. It has taken me almost 4 months to get to the peace that I am at now. What got me here? God and this site. My S married his former victim while engaged to me and he is out on a bond that I paid for and is being represented by an attorney that I paid for. For a long time I questioned whether he would be better to his wife than he was to me, but coming to this site reassurred me that he won’t and that he is suffering from a mental and personality illness. It was then that I had no choice but to forgive him for all he’d done and allow God to deal with him in His own time and sweetie this is the happiest that I’ve been since that horrible person left my life. Trust me when I say that although there is no cure for their character, they will still have to answer to God for what they’ve done to all of us and I know that while you hurt that offers no comfort to you, but what I had to realize was that being upset was only holding me back and it did nothing to him. His life is going on and although he’s out preying on his wife and other women, he is happy while I was sitting here hurt, upset, and angry, waiting to hear that something bad happened to him. Waiting for God to punish them will not come while you wait for it to happen, it will come when you least expect it and most likely at a time when you’ve healed and moved on. Again I understand what you are going through, but if God has allowed to me to get this far then He will do the same for you and I will make sure that I keep you in my prayers. Try to look at the blessing in it all. This person is out of your life and as long as you keep it that way, they can’t hurt you anymore. Please believe that he will get what is coming to him. Like my former S, yours is probably walking around her with a cocky attitude because he’s conned yet another person without any consequences and feels untouchable, but when they least expect it, what I like to call the “boom” moment will happen and that karma will catch up with them. God can correct others far better than we can. So hang in there Ladybug, it will get better:)
OxDrover, it is so funny that you mentioned our situations with our S’s as lessons to test our strength. This morning that same thing came across me while in church. I believe that there is a lesson in everything and my experience with my S has made me stronger, wiser, and improved my self love and worth. One thing that was hard for me in the beginning in praying for my former S was that I didn’t want my prayer to keep God from punishing him. Because I struggled with my prayers for him and his union to his wife, I learned to pray that God’s will be done in their life. As much as I despise that woman, I pray that God removes her from that situation before he hurts her worse than he did three years ago and I pray that justice is served when he goes to trial in January. I feel like I’m rambling because I’ve learned so much about these men and it is so hard to walk with a Christian’s heart where they’re concerned after they’ve robbed us of so much, but you have to do it to gain peace. I am happy that he got married because had he not, we’d still be together and I’d be his victim which is a blessing and our lives are worth so much more than the things of monetary value those men took from us. They can be replaced, but we only have one life so it’s important to get whatever help necessary to get through the emotional state these evil men left us in.
Forgiving ourselves is the big thing. I forgive myself for volunteering to be his doormat. I forgive myself for wanting to believe his lies. I forgive myself for being so kind to a predator. I forgive myself for not knowing what was going on. I forgive myself for wanting him to be something he could not be. I do not forgive him, I just except what he is.
There is no closure for such a huge life lesson, it’s a life lesson I needed to learn. I make peace with the truth and that is the closest thing to closure I will get. Think of no contact as your only weapon against them and it will be your ultimate salvation..
Hi Guys,
I,too,am going through alot of yuck thoughts and feelings.
Still I think of the saying,”Don’t become a monster,while fighting monsters.”
And it applies to me.
I feel like the anger from what he did could cause earthquakes,and mountains to shatter..
The sadness and the pain I felt from the whole experience,absolutely pisses me off to no end.
But my obsession with him,and ” his ways” does not seem to help ME.
I think it only gives HIM more power,even though he has no idea,nor would he care what I am going through.
Its about my journey to safety,and self control.
I don’t think that any of the people I hear post on this forum are shrinking violets.
I,for one,AM NOT..
Most of the people I read on here seem to be,nothing less than fierce,
powerful,and strong women..and men. ; )
I like to fight for what is right,and when I’ve been wronged,
restraint of pen and tongue is Not my strong point..
I do think,however,I am indulging myself(vicariously also indulging Him,even though he is unaware/careless of my struggles),
by continuing to obsess on the,”Why did this happen to me?”,question.
I dont want to be a victim,though I may be in every sense of the word where he is concerned..
THAT makes me angry,too..
I have stuck to No Contact,Religiously,and have No plans to break it.
(So,he is Not in my picture Anymore..So why in my head?)
I,also,have moved to a new town,so as to move on with my life,as well as Not have to run into the looser…
I want to take great measures to Keep the Focus on ME..
It IS hard..
SO tonight I will make a list of What I Want My Life To Look like from this point on,and go after THAT..
(Just an idea.)
No..I will never trust him,ever,again.
No,I do not want him back.
No,I don’t condone who he is,or how he operates,but I do need to give up Hating him and gain back some sense of control over my own life..
One of my fears though,is that he has been cyberstalking me,and may possibly be reading the things I write.On here as well…
(Can one do that with an IP address?..It wouldnt be too difficult for him to have mine,since we shared internet when we lived together..)
Maybe it is an absurd idea,but when I read one of the recent posts on here,I was curious as of its nature,and it sounded like a spath to me..
Someone,who may have been upset and confused..
I suppose after feeling violated and an exposed feeling of vulnerability,it is natural to be untrusting to a degree..
I just don’t want to stay stuck that way…
Thanks for letting me vent.
I keep coming back to this forum,because it does help to vent.
I am still searching for more concrete ideas on how to absolve the
betrayal altogether though..
It still seems like a rollercoaster ride to me..
Therefore…”Forgiveness”…
It is my aim,and if I can Do it Thoroughly,
I believe it is my pathway to Freedom from the spath,and my own
relentless anger..
Truelove
Oxy as usual great post!
Broken,
I had the same decision to make do you go home or stay? I can tell from my experience, going home was the only option. I came home, it didn’t make the pain or memeories go away but I was HOME. I got my old job back and tried to regain my old life back. You need to be where you have support, understanding and familiarty. If the onll reason to stay there is because of him..PACK THE CAR NOW AND GO HOME!!!!!!!! What or who would keep you from leaving? It’s hard I know. We are what I read on here “shell shocked”! We feel so violated from being deceived and want so much what the spath appeared to be as long as he had his mask on. We deserve that BUT not from the spath, a true honest, caring normal human being and the only way to heal is to have NO CONTACT an GO!! It’s so hard to hear that! Go to your safe place and start healing!
Hugs!
Not crazee
Dear Breathless,
Believe me, if I had done something bad, I would rather that another human judged me than a righteous and just God judged me. “Vengence is mine saith the Lord” and “I will repay.” I believe that with all my heart, and I also believe that God will forgive our sins the same way WE forgive the sins of others, “forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us” and so I think it is important that we do FORGIVE, and get the bitterness out of our heart toward them. We have sinned, they have sinned. So we are not “perfect” either—BUT we must be willing that God forgive them like he does us, but remember that God only forgives us if we repent of our sins and do our best to make it right. So That is GOD’s kind of forgiveness. If they never repent, then God isn’t going to absolve them of the sin.
We don’t have to worry about how God will handle them, all we have to do is to concern ourselves with doing what is RIGHT ourselves. We are not their judges, GOD is. They are not our judges, GOD is.
If WE do what is right, then we don’t have to worry about the end result. If They do wrong, we don’t have to worry about the end result there either. They will get what is coming to them on this side of death or the other is my belief.
So, that being the case, I don’t have to worry about WHAT the punishment is or when it is delivered or how, I just have to let that worry go and know that God is in charge of the Universe and HE is JUST.
You know it is odd, but since I quit trying to run the universe and micromanage God and tell Him what he should do and when, it has run just fine! LOL I just have to trust that “all things work together for good to those that love the Lord.” Notice it says ALL THINGS, even the things that we think are “bad” at the moment may and usually do in the LONG RUN turn out to have been a BLESSING even though at the time we thought it was terrible.
trueloveistrue,
This whole experience has further changed me, deepening me (and for what reason, I don’t know). I too do not condone how the h-spath conducts himself, coming to the conclusion that spaths act according to how they’re programmed. Like you, “restraint of tongue” is not my strong suit, being willing to rip into my persecutors. There’s a lot that I’m still learning in how to operate in relation to people who have wronged me. Don’t you just get tired of the emotions that are stirred up – yeh, the spath is a low-life, having done some unbelievable, despicable things, wanting to get beyond the hatred of him, also the desire for payback, having him pay for his mistreatment of me.
Blue jay
“Restraint of tongue”
I’m going to remember that phrase. Because I also have that difficulty.
Being one who thoroughly enjoys using my sharp tongue as a weapon has not endeared me to all the narcissists in my life. And really what do we get when we verbally annihilate someone? Nothing but an ego satisfaction. In the book, the art of selfishness, the author speaks about letting go of ego satisfaction in order to make good decisions.
It’s a great book about Learning to do what’s right for you and not being a doormat. it’s a very old book written in the early part of the 20th century.
Dear Sky and Bluejay,
The Bible says that “restraint of the tongue” as you said above is the hardest thing is the world. It is the smallest member but the hardest to control.
Bridling my tongue is not my strong suit either, but I am working on that as well. When I get angry my tongue is loose at both ends, and that is NOT a good way to be for several reasons. Especially if you are interacting with a psychopath because if you run off at the mouth, you warn them about your thoughts and intentions.
It is better to be, like ErinBrock says, more like a quiet snake, and strike without forewarning them of your intentions.
I would have been way better off if I had not warned my P son that I intended to fight his parole. Even though he doesn’t know for sure, he KNOWS, I AM sure…because I have never been one to make “idle threats” and he knows it. But I have forewarned him and that was a MISTAKE.
And yes, Blue, I get TIRED of the drama! Stopping my own mouth from running away, or even trying to defend myself against them, has been a challenge…and one I have not always “won.” But I’m working on it as part of my “lifestyle change” LOL