There comes a time when nurture becomes nature.
This is the time when nurture and nature become inextricable, inseparable.
I suspect nobody knows precisely when this point arrives in the development of a given individual, but the immediate ramification is this: When you are involved specifically with a sociopath, or any exploitative personality, it is imperative that you stop asking how this person became who he is?
Sure, he likely endured—and was shaped by—some form of neglect or abuse growing up, and if this wasn’t obvious in the history, it was still likely there.
But here’s the point: it doesn’t matter. Not one bit.
Instead, you must relinquish your empathy, compassion and curiosity—in short, every emotion that supports your obsession to understand the genesis and evolution of your exploiter’s pathology—and confront the reality that you are dealing with (as I propose) a case of nurture becoming nature, about which there’s not a damned thing, at this point, to be done.
The damage, in other words, was baked into his character a long time ago. There is no ameliorating it now. Not all the love in the world—nothing that you have, or think you have, or thought you had to give him—will dent the petrification of his psychopathology.
His diseased personality disease is immutable, as good as etched in his DNA. Case closed.
And so what you do is this: You run for the hills, just as you’d run from a rabid dog that perhaps once was innocent and gentle. Now the dog is rabid: it no longer matters how it became rabid. And so you run, fast, and you don’t look back, because every second you allow false hope to delay you increases your risk of grievous harm.
You may have loved that dog; maybe loved it before it became rabid, or maybe it was rabid all along and you just didn’t know it. And maybe you even still love that rabid dog, or the persisting fantasy of it as unrabid.
But the dog is rabid, and a rabid dog doesn’t love you, and it was probably rabid going way back and never really loved you as you once imagined, but again”¦it makes no difference.
There are rabid animals, and there are rabid people, and neither loves you.
And so the time for analysis, of him, is up.
To be clear: I appreciate the need to make sense of trauma. But at some point, the analysis of exploiters can assume an obsessive desperation that subverts, rather than supports, the processing of trauma.
I speak here from the position of having worked with many victims of exploitive personalities who are very much like stunned deer caught, and as if suspended indefinitely, in the headlights.
One of the vital tasks is to unstun them.
And sometimes the dogged determination to “make sense” of, to “analyze” the exploitive traumatizer can be a disguised obsession with discovering something in the history (his or yours) that you insist on imagining would have made a difference”¦would have made him different?
We can search this angle interminably. And unless we call off the search, we will.
And it’s a search we’re wise to call off because it can effectively bring us to a standstill, forever.
(My use of “he” in this article was a convenience, not meant to imply that women aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed. This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
This man was the most down and out man that I have ever been with and all he talked about is money, spirituality, manners and how great that he is..
Good grief! They are ALL alike, aren’t they. Anytime I even hinted at my struggling to pay the bills while he laid on the couch stoned and playing video games and unbeknownst to me at the time…chasing women and buying them gifts with MY money…he’d say that’s why they all left me. I asked him what he was talking about and he’d pitifully say that all the women before me left him because he never had enough money to keep them happy!
If someone is going through a rough spot.. how about saying come back when you are ready for a relationship.. that is my new deal..
Isn’t that the most interesting thing of all when trying to figure out how their “lies” do indeed work for them?
Even when they are lying they also DO reveal a part of themselves (the truth) that tends to get overlooked.
A great example is what Tami said above….Her X lying on the couch stoned and playing video games and yet revealing a MAJOR part of himself….That the women before left him because he never had enough money to keep them happy.
Classic example of s/p/n behavior. They really do live by their own set of rules.
Style,
I’m like you–I have it very deeply ingrained that a man takes care of a woman. I’m not even attracted to a man that I have to pay for. If I even meet a guy for coffee and he doesn’t offer to buy mine, I lose interest. I read all the Mars and Venus books a long time ago, and they stuck. My ex, the S, never went after my money. Probably cause I don’t have any. He was actually very generous with me while we were dating. He never let me touch my wallet or drive us anywhere. Too bad about the pathological lying……
Dear Tami,
Yea, if you LISTEN WITH YOUR MIND NOT YOUR HEART, you can HEAR THE TRUTH behind their lies. You can bet they all left his sorry butt because it was too lazy to work! LOL Smart women!
Actually, I think you need to send BIDDY a “thank you gift” for taking that creep out of your life! She is your BEST FRIEND AND gave you the greatest gift in the world, FREEDOM from that jerk! ROTFLMAO
Style, I am not as adamant about male/female roles as you seem to be about “who pays for what” but at the same time, I would not support some guy from the “get go” and would not be interested in FORMING a relationship with someone who was “down and out” or was in very very poor health TO START with. That doesn’t mean that anyone with a “disability” of some kind would be unwelcome, or someone who was not able to “keep me in the style” I would like to become accustomed to, but at the same time, I think there needs to be a basic “equality” of “life style” financially, as well as intellectually, and morally. I wouldn’t be interested in a guy who lived at the “rescue mission” and had never had a “pot or a window” but at the same time, I would probably also not be interested in someone who was a multi-zillionaire who owned 4 homes and 12 cars and 6 boats. Our lifestyles would be too different. I would also probably not be interested in someone who couldn’t read or write very well. And as much as I “love” Matt (even if he was straight) i wouldn’t want to live in NYC or in an apartment. I love living in the boondocks and doing the things that are important to my lifestyle.
My late husband and I both had kids when we married and our own things, so we had a prenup before we married, “just in case’ and also in case one of us died the other one’s kids couldn’t be a problem and each of us would have our things go to our own kids.
I worked a salaried job and had a pay check twice a month, my husband did consulting and sometimes would go for a year or two without much income but then would bring in in one wad what I made in two years. Our finances were mingled some, but if you totaled up what he made and what I made during our marriage (20 years) it was about the same though it came in in different ways and different times so we both contributed to the overall upkeep of the family and the home.
I provided the land (inherited family land) and he built the house, barn, hangar and airport, we built the farm up together, we each had what we wanted and worked together. He didn’t “support” me and I didn’t “support” hjim, we supported EACH OTHER.
If I ever had another relationship it would be the same way (or not at all) we would both contribute to the expenses necessary to run a home shared by a couple. My kids who live here kick in for room and board and do a fair share of the chores at home and on the farm…this is not a flop house for people who dont’ want to work and I’m no one’s maid, we all pitch in and all enjoy the benefits of a nice home, a lovely place to live and a good lifestyle. One of my sons has his own home on this same farm, but it is currently rented out and he lives here in my house because he enjoys being here and the benefits of a couple of ‘roomies” that pitch in on utilities and chores. It beats doing it all yourself.
When I told mine that I was tired of waiting for someday. That this is my life now. He said that he was tired of hearing this.
Ummm.. so some other woman told him the same thing…
I have a feeling that all the women that he was with were women of some means.. all had wealthy families.. that is what he is attracted to.. he comes in gets them pregnant.. and of course, he works, but the whole image is that of the wives…
now he is older and isn’t looking to have children.. he is still taking care of those from the last wives.. and now he is looking for an older woman.. and expects them to caretake his kids.. and provide the stablity and home etc.. while he works and pays for his kids and talks about someday … he is almost 60 with a 14 year old…
and he has no money.. lives pay check to pay check.. can’t afford a house, has bad credit.. so he needs a woman with a house…the least will be up on his car in January.. I wonder what he is going to do??? I bet that he would’ve asked me for money for a down payment and I would’ve said NO!
no planning on his part.. he rolls through life like a gypsy…
The thing that amazes me MOST about sociopaths is that they are so deceitful and tell huge lies but they also know how to tell the truth in a way that works in their best interest when they’re backed into a corner! That IS the greatest thing that sets me apart from Biddy. He KNEW that I would NOT under NO circumstances tolerate cheating. He cheated on me with numerous women during our entire marriage and I never had a clue. There were a few “questionable” incidences that I now realize that I allowed him to lie his way out of. He KNEW that he could never admit to me that he had cheated because his ass would have been out my house and my life immediately. He admitted to Biddy that he cheated on her…of course it was all her fault as well as the numerous women that he cheated on her with…those bad, bad girls! However, she feels that since he admitted that he had cheated on her although he twisted the truth in a way that still made him appear to be the victim, that he is a changed man! Afterall he admitted all his wrongs to HER and felt that he could never be HIMSELF with me. He actually told her that and she thinks that makes her special! LOL! It’s like these animals have a 6th sense and can judge what lengths another person will allow them to go to before kicking them out. That’s why they can be SO confusing. At times, they appear to be honest and admit their “wrongs” and beg for forgiveness. It’s just they know which wrongs their victims will forgive and which ones they will not!
I think how couple work things out is between them.. but when going in one has all the assets and the other all the libility.. it’s one sided… and that is how mine was..
I have no children assets and he had debt and three kids and one child ill that will always need care.. I don’t want children at this late date and I told him that up front… he wanted a woman like me and a woman like me doesn’t want what he has to offer so he creates this bib business deal and this spin and for awhile it seems plausible…. but it isn’t…
he has nothing to offer a woman but debt and burdens.. and he tried.. he works so I felt sorry for him for awhile.. but if I needed him to help me .. no way… his resources what little he has goes to his ex and her kids… and his bossy emotionally cripple daughter wants to control everyone…
Tami,
I think it says a lot about the charm of a sociopath when he/she can convince their partner they are “changed” after a lifetime of cheating. Too bad they like to live like parasites off of others because they could probably make a fortune in Hollywood.