There comes a time when nurture becomes nature.
This is the time when nurture and nature become inextricable, inseparable.
I suspect nobody knows precisely when this point arrives in the development of a given individual, but the immediate ramification is this: When you are involved specifically with a sociopath, or any exploitative personality, it is imperative that you stop asking how this person became who he is?
Sure, he likely endured—and was shaped by—some form of neglect or abuse growing up, and if this wasn’t obvious in the history, it was still likely there.
But here’s the point: it doesn’t matter. Not one bit.
Instead, you must relinquish your empathy, compassion and curiosity—in short, every emotion that supports your obsession to understand the genesis and evolution of your exploiter’s pathology—and confront the reality that you are dealing with (as I propose) a case of nurture becoming nature, about which there’s not a damned thing, at this point, to be done.
The damage, in other words, was baked into his character a long time ago. There is no ameliorating it now. Not all the love in the world—nothing that you have, or think you have, or thought you had to give him—will dent the petrification of his psychopathology.
His diseased personality disease is immutable, as good as etched in his DNA. Case closed.
And so what you do is this: You run for the hills, just as you’d run from a rabid dog that perhaps once was innocent and gentle. Now the dog is rabid: it no longer matters how it became rabid. And so you run, fast, and you don’t look back, because every second you allow false hope to delay you increases your risk of grievous harm.
You may have loved that dog; maybe loved it before it became rabid, or maybe it was rabid all along and you just didn’t know it. And maybe you even still love that rabid dog, or the persisting fantasy of it as unrabid.
But the dog is rabid, and a rabid dog doesn’t love you, and it was probably rabid going way back and never really loved you as you once imagined, but again”¦it makes no difference.
There are rabid animals, and there are rabid people, and neither loves you.
And so the time for analysis, of him, is up.
To be clear: I appreciate the need to make sense of trauma. But at some point, the analysis of exploiters can assume an obsessive desperation that subverts, rather than supports, the processing of trauma.
I speak here from the position of having worked with many victims of exploitive personalities who are very much like stunned deer caught, and as if suspended indefinitely, in the headlights.
One of the vital tasks is to unstun them.
And sometimes the dogged determination to “make sense” of, to “analyze” the exploitive traumatizer can be a disguised obsession with discovering something in the history (his or yours) that you insist on imagining would have made a difference”¦would have made him different?
We can search this angle interminably. And unless we call off the search, we will.
And it’s a search we’re wise to call off because it can effectively bring us to a standstill, forever.
(My use of “he” in this article was a convenience, not meant to imply that women aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed. This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
they thrive in a prison environment, like a psychopathic PhD program provided on a government scholarship! Frustrating as hell!”
Ohhh, very well worded!
Oxy,
I had been playing telephone tag with the asst. principal (since yesterday when this happened) and I just finally talked to him a few minutes ago.
Of course only hearing my sons version of the story up until now I knew there was some things that he didn’t tell me about the situation. There was.
It is interesting to know that they had a TEAM in the office trying to persuade my son to give up his i-pod instead of being suspended. The teacher, the at risk counselor and the asst. principal (who actually is a pretty cool guy and most kids really like him)
NO ONE could even get him to listen to any reasoning (well DUH) Haven’t I been trying to tell them this all along??
They have a TEAM and can’t reach him and some of these same people judge me for my lack of being able to do anything with him!!!
My son told the asst. principal that his i-pod helps him to focus better in this computer class.
Long after the others left the asst. principal said he talked with my son about ADHD and focus issues. He tried to get him to agree to consider possibly taking medication or other tools he might use to help him.
Of course he flatly refused because he doesn’t have ADHD he just focuses better with his i-pod.
I guess for me it was interesting to hear this guys frustration with just ONE small altercation with my son.
Maybe just MAYBE he can envision my frustration of dealing with this kind of thing all the time.
He really is a good guy and tries to put “himself” in the kids corner. He is new to our school district this year and has had alot of good things said about him. But good guy or not it all falls on deaf ears…..How well I know that feeling.
I came across LF a few months ago and it has saved my life and my sanity. I have a P husband-of that I am certain now,but at the time I believed that I was losing my mind,because that’s what he told me. My story is similar to the people I have found here but he’s done so many bizarre,incredible and shocking things that I found it easier to believe I had simply lost my mind-as losing my mind seemed more logical than believing that he was crazy.
I am now armed with knowledge but still cannot get him to leave my home. We have been married for ten yrs and have two children. I am glad that I have realized what I am dealing with but boy have I wasted so long in trying to fix the unfixable. I still have trouble accepting that he cannot/does not realize what he has done and continues to do. Example: he sold my jewellery but sees nothing wrong in that-but I took a pen of his and he calls me a “thieving bitch!”
I have read every article on this blog and I can’t tell you how much it has helped me to cope. I finally broke down at work and sobbed for three hours, my boss was amazing and said she couldn’t believe I had been under so much strain. I have seen a councellor who told me exactly what Steve has written-it is not my job to fix him. I know this but am fighting my urge to make him SEE. He never will and I just want to be free. I am 43and I want a life. He has put me in so much debt.
I would love any advice on how to get him to leave. I don’t want to involve police because of the children. He knows he’s not wanted here-how he stays is beyond my level of comprehension. He uses the pity play on the kids and as it no longer works with me he just treats me very badly.
Thank you all,especially Steve,for saving my sanity and my life.
Steve,
I can so relate to your resigned, determined perspective. Once you educate yourself regarding the predictable, universal behavior/personality characteristics of PDIs, you’ve learned all you needed to learn to get out and stay as far away as possible.
You’re right: they are pathological, incorrigible, irredeemable, dangerous personified and deadly.
Trying to reform them, trying to reassure them, coddle them with love and care is a total waste of time and energy. It just won’t happen. It is a stagnant place to inhabit and that can’t be good for any decent person.
I’ve spent years reseaching PDIs and as Mr. Beck wrote in People of the Lie, being exposed to evil and then spending an inordinate time studying it can be detrimental to my own soul.
So, I no longer read the very imformative books available. I have all the knowledge I need to protect myself.
I much prefer spending my finite time checking out awesome, inspiritational, soul enriching environments, situations, people, literature, art, the profound beauty of natural settings which feed my spirit with peace and joy.
Thanks for the reminder that it’s best just to shrug and walk away. At a fast paced trot if necessary.
Dear TB–
You liked that did you? LOL Oh, but it is soooooo true. I firmly believe that they ENJOY the challenges of life in prison, putting on over on the guards and admiinistration, conning with other cons—it is like a “heaven for psychopaths” and a school for them to learn new crimes and new ways of getting one over on “the man.”
Every time they pull fa fast one on the authorities they get reinforced on just how “smart” and “successful” they are. It feeds their ego. LOL the old “it is better to RULE in hell than to serve in heaven.” (don’t remember who said that but that is the P-mantra!) My son actually considers himself a SUCCESS in life. He thinks his “education” in prison fits him for the CEO of “Madoff Inc” or “dictator” of some third world republic.
He is, after all the single smartest person in the universe, and if you don’t believe it, just ASK him! He compares himself to the “hacks” (prison guards) and the other inmates and he is a “cut above” them….but what eh doesn’t see is that the most stupid prison guard at least can LEAVE THERE WITHOUT HANDCUFFS. All his high IQ and all his coniving and conning don’t make a whit of difference, he is still a CONVICT. the lowest of the low. He has no respect from anyone in the world except a few gang-bangers who can’t count higher than 20 because that is all the fingers and toes they have. What good does his IQ do? No non-convict would admire anything about him. No woman with even half her teeth who wasn’t a crack ho and less than 60 years old would consider him a “catch” yet he still considers that he is going to get out and get some playboy bunny or a series of play boy bunnies, and a fast hot car, and a lot of money and live the life of ease and have others envy him. WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
Years ago I read a book called “The Felon” (can’t remember who wrote it) but it was a sociological study of what felons fantasize about while they are locked up, and how DIFFERENT it is from the REALITY they get out to. I thought at the time that my P son was more realistic than he is, but I see now that he is just like the felon with the 3rd grade education who has this fantasy of coming out, the hot babe girl friend, the executive job, the fast hot car, etc. and the reality is that NONE OF THIS IS POSSIBLE, so they immediately go back to crime and the criminal friends they had or new ones they make.
My son does NOT have a single person who knew him before he went to prison that would pee on him if he was on fire. NOT ONE. The ONLY “friends” he has are men he has met in prison. Most of them have a grade school education at best, are essentially illiterate, so they look up to my son’s “smarts” but HOW SMART CAN HE BE if he has been caught and prosecuted and convicted of about every crime he ever committeed? LOL ROTFLMAO He isn’t even a “successful” criminal if “success” means he got away with it.
Oh,, and the self agrandizing lies he tells other convicts about what his crimes were and how he was betrayed (not caught) and how much money his family has and so on. Really builds himself up as this “Robin Hood” of criminals, he only kills those bad guys that deserved it….not a helpless 17 yr old girl.
Ah, yes, the fantaxy world of the P.! success at every turn!
Very good article and comparison..
And it only confirmed for me my choice.. get away and NO CONTACT.. the longer I am away and when I have remembering, I KNOW.. this man is a con, a destroyer of the soul and a user… and any of my good memories are to be seen only as a part of his seduction.. I feel stronger now and more solid as each day passes… He needed me.. I never needed him.. he tried to create my need of him and he failed.. I am FREE from the rabid dog!
Hi Folks
I hate to change the subject but I have an urgent question . A friend and I were discussing relationships etc . He has just met a new woman and so from time to time she also came up in the conversation . I have never met her so basically when she did come up in the conversation I had to go by his observation and try to analyse what was going on .
Suddenly he asked ,” What does it mean when a woman does baby talk quite often “.
Well my first reaction was , holly shit , my psychopathic X did that all the time . Is this a symptom of something significant or is it something that a lot of women do . Thinking back I do not recall being exposed to a lot of women that spoke in this fashion on a regular basis . Any input would be appreciated . Has my friend found himself a potential nasty or is she harmless .
Steve Becker – A very good article. I have obsessed and obsessed, analyzed and analyzed. I am very nuturing by nature. It’s who I am, it’s what I do, it’s part of my job. I can remember saying here that I look forward to the day he is not the first thought in my mind when I wake. I reached that milestone months ago. It’s like Jane said, we can choose to be miserable or happy. It does take time to process what happened, if we dont process and analyze it then we dont learn.
Quest – Sounds to me like this gal is looking for a daddy. Does your guy friend find this baby talk anoying or does he like it? If it get’s on his nerves he should bail out. Or maybe he is looking for a daddy’s girl?
Quest:
I happen to be a female, so I will give you a female’s opinion (mine) on the baby talk.
Yes, I believe women who engage in baby talk with their men are being totally cunning and manipulative.
Does your friend have some money, a nice car, or some real estate maybe??? I’ll bet he does.
I’ve seen women turn on the baby talk when they think they have a potential “sugar daddy” in the works.
What’s even more pathetic, I’ve actually seen men start to engage in baby talk themselves with their girlfriends, because the girlfriend is doing the baby talk. I guess it becomes sort of contagious, and so now you have two grown adults talking baby talk. Jesus Christ!!!
Maybe I am not a very good person to be giving my opinion, because I absolutely cannot stand baby talk.
I don’t even like it when people talk “baby talk” to babies.
How is a child supposed to learn how to speak properly when you are talking in terms of “goo”.
I don’t know, Quest, that’s just my opinion.
Maybe someone else who does not have such a negative opinion of baby talk will give you some more positive feedback.
I would still tell your friend to beware.