There comes a time when nurture becomes nature.
This is the time when nurture and nature become inextricable, inseparable.
I suspect nobody knows precisely when this point arrives in the development of a given individual, but the immediate ramification is this: When you are involved specifically with a sociopath, or any exploitative personality, it is imperative that you stop asking how this person became who he is?
Sure, he likely endured—and was shaped by—some form of neglect or abuse growing up, and if this wasn’t obvious in the history, it was still likely there.
But here’s the point: it doesn’t matter. Not one bit.
Instead, you must relinquish your empathy, compassion and curiosity—in short, every emotion that supports your obsession to understand the genesis and evolution of your exploiter’s pathology—and confront the reality that you are dealing with (as I propose) a case of nurture becoming nature, about which there’s not a damned thing, at this point, to be done.
The damage, in other words, was baked into his character a long time ago. There is no ameliorating it now. Not all the love in the world—nothing that you have, or think you have, or thought you had to give him—will dent the petrification of his psychopathology.
His diseased personality disease is immutable, as good as etched in his DNA. Case closed.
And so what you do is this: You run for the hills, just as you’d run from a rabid dog that perhaps once was innocent and gentle. Now the dog is rabid: it no longer matters how it became rabid. And so you run, fast, and you don’t look back, because every second you allow false hope to delay you increases your risk of grievous harm.
You may have loved that dog; maybe loved it before it became rabid, or maybe it was rabid all along and you just didn’t know it. And maybe you even still love that rabid dog, or the persisting fantasy of it as unrabid.
But the dog is rabid, and a rabid dog doesn’t love you, and it was probably rabid going way back and never really loved you as you once imagined, but again”¦it makes no difference.
There are rabid animals, and there are rabid people, and neither loves you.
And so the time for analysis, of him, is up.
To be clear: I appreciate the need to make sense of trauma. But at some point, the analysis of exploiters can assume an obsessive desperation that subverts, rather than supports, the processing of trauma.
I speak here from the position of having worked with many victims of exploitive personalities who are very much like stunned deer caught, and as if suspended indefinitely, in the headlights.
One of the vital tasks is to unstun them.
And sometimes the dogged determination to “make sense” of, to “analyze” the exploitive traumatizer can be a disguised obsession with discovering something in the history (his or yours) that you insist on imagining would have made a difference”¦would have made him different?
We can search this angle interminably. And unless we call off the search, we will.
And it’s a search we’re wise to call off because it can effectively bring us to a standstill, forever.
(My use of “he” in this article was a convenience, not meant to imply that women aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed. This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
My ex S baby talked me ALL the time. At first I thought it was kinda cute. Like AWWWWW this GROWN man loves me so much he’s been reduced to baby talk. But later in the relationship…it was constant…and the pouting…and he even HOWWWLLLLEEDDDDDD like a dog when he was upset or didn’t get his way. This high pitch, long howl like a coyote?!?!? WTF?!?! I literally mean howl…funny since this thread has to do with a rabid dog. He really was a rabid dog!! Now that I look back there were so many characteristics that I see as being sooooo childish now. This was a 40 year old grown man…acting like a 4 year old. God I wish you could have seen it!! He would cross his arms and wrinkle his brow and stick out his bottom lip and say…NO! I don’t want to!! Just like a child would. I think he never grew up. One girl that he cheated on me with, said he was like a little boy trapped in a grown man’s body. And this girl was all of 19 years old. Why could she figure it out and I couldn’t?!?!?! I may be biased, but I think baby talk definitely has ulterior motives. Well, at least it did for my ex anyway.
My x did the baby talk thing, of course it took me awhile to realize I was his sugarboogerdaddy… Speaking of dogs…today I was working in a clients yard and I heard this woman screaming SIR SIR and running towards me with this black lab on her heels – I said yes? and she asked if I had seen a black lab? I said is that him behind you? she was so embarrassed – i think she was having a stressful day..LOL
Thanks for a great perspective Steve. I spent hours in therapy trying to figure this out but with good guidance am finally focusing on my own issues, not his poor sad childhood, terrible mother, etc.
My divorce was final yesterday (YES!!!!!!!), and as we went through the end stages apparently he was doing his best to bring on the pity and guilt in ways that always worked in the past. What he didn’t know is that I don’t see any of his long, dense, transparent, repetitive, manipulative, immature communications at all anymore–just a brief synopsis as is relevant to negotiations.
Funny thing is–he’s quite capable of keeping the conversation going even if I have no involvement at all. And, that was probably true all along.
Now I feel even more free to stop the post-mortem and get on with the next, better, exciting part of my life. 🙂
quest,
Narcissism is a state of emotionally arrested development. Baby talk is a big red flag. My xP told me he never wanted to grow up. He also said other people should take care of him so he could play and not work. He especially did baby talk during sex. Now I find out that he was a pedophile. Put all this together and I realize that he has baby names for his sex organs and the women’s sex organs because that’s how he talks to little kids about it.
So, yeah, baby talk doesn’t go over well with me.
Well people thanks for the input , I guess the creepy thing here is that people on a psychopath victim website would recognise this as a common trait of their X’s . As far as what my friend felt about it , he wasn’t quite sure what to think . Of course now its got me thinking . Anyway back to the topic at hand . Steve ,I like what you have written but for myself what I have to conquer and understand is not so much what the psychopath is or what made them but what is it in me that allowed them to mess with my head . Not only that but now it is almost as if psychopaths can see me way more easily just as I can see them . Its like being in one of those alien invasion movies where the peoples bodies have been taken over by an alien entity and are walking around amongst the general population undetected . I can see them and they can see me , seeing them . Sounds like paranoia I suppose but maybe not . I suppose what amazes me now is that I can recognise them from the way they speak . Its kind of like a 6th sense I have some how aquired . I think I always had it but did not know what I was seeing .
About the baby talk, the p I was with did that a lot, but not lovingly or sweet or cute or pouting, but like he was talking to someone stupid, or slow,,,must of thought he was talking to himself. Except when he wanted sex, that was suppose to be cute I guess. Being a mom, it killed the mood for me, it just made me think of my boys when they would use baby talk to con me for something (like children do!) Of course, like everything, when I opposed something he was doing, I paid dearly for that.
I think if someone tried to use baby talk with me now, I’d run as fast as I could, whether they deserved it or not, I’d never know because I probably wouldn’t look back.
In connection to the article, I was thinking on the nurturing of my children, I’ve worried about how I have affected my youngest in these last six months. I’ve worried about handling things so as not to cause parent alienation syndrome and after he has been with his dad I notice a difference in him towards me. I worried that I had really messed up and it was showing in his attitude towards me.
I looked up parent alienation symptoms and strategies and all. Well I found we all as parents teeter some in a divorce, there are levels to it. However, I found that the attitudes I get from my son after he has been with his dad are the attitudes a child has towards the parent that is being alienated, NOT the one doing the alienation. It’s not me, it’s him. I don’t want him playing with my sons mind. He needs to know and believe that someone loves him and is happy to have him, this p sure has made it clear no one is going to get love from him. He doesn’t need to take from my child the comfort of knowing I love him and I am here for him away….how dare he!!!
With each new day as the memories work themselves out in my mind and the more knowledge I gain from my research, the madder I get and the more I find myself,,, I’ve let him nearly get away with murder,,,,I’M BACK!!! stronger than ever before. No more games and when he barks at me, forget hiding under the porch, I’ll bite!
Now if I just don’t slip and find myself back in the fetal position.
Lace,
Welcome to Lovefraud – sorry you had to be here, but glad that the information is helping you.
I don’t know if a sociopath will leave voluntarily, especially if he’s sponging off of you financially. Usually the only time they leave is when they have a new victim lined up.
My guess is that you’ll have to start divorce proceedings and see where that takes you.
Quest,
My sociopathic ex used to babytalk. He took me for over $250,000.
Well, maybe we have discovered another “page” in the “Psychopathic play book” BABY TALK 101″
Babies of all species have several physical things that make humans (in general) think they are cute and adoreable. BIG eyes relative to the size of the face. So when someone is pleading for something, we open our eyes wider (to make them appear more open, bigger, more like a child) We give a child-like smile to enhance this and may assume the same body posture that a todderler would. I thinnk the “baby talk” may be something they have learned as children pleading with an adult for something that they want and it worked so they just never stop using that “PLAY”
My P son would use the pleading talk, pretty close to baby talk when he wanted something from me, if that didn’t work, he used a pity play, and if that didn’t work, he would “get scary” then go back to the pleading of “But Mommmmmm, what would Jeusus do?” Where is the PUKE emoticon when you need it?
for instance my x would say ” sugabooga I sawwee I hut ew feelwings – but if ew dont forgives me i WILL ROCK YOUR FUCKIN WORLD!!!!!!! yep from pity to scary in the same sentence – damn I am glad he is gone bye bye..