There comes a time when nurture becomes nature.
This is the time when nurture and nature become inextricable, inseparable.
I suspect nobody knows precisely when this point arrives in the development of a given individual, but the immediate ramification is this: When you are involved specifically with a sociopath, or any exploitative personality, it is imperative that you stop asking how this person became who he is?
Sure, he likely endured—and was shaped by—some form of neglect or abuse growing up, and if this wasn’t obvious in the history, it was still likely there.
But here’s the point: it doesn’t matter. Not one bit.
Instead, you must relinquish your empathy, compassion and curiosity—in short, every emotion that supports your obsession to understand the genesis and evolution of your exploiter’s pathology—and confront the reality that you are dealing with (as I propose) a case of nurture becoming nature, about which there’s not a damned thing, at this point, to be done.
The damage, in other words, was baked into his character a long time ago. There is no ameliorating it now. Not all the love in the world—nothing that you have, or think you have, or thought you had to give him—will dent the petrification of his psychopathology.
His diseased personality disease is immutable, as good as etched in his DNA. Case closed.
And so what you do is this: You run for the hills, just as you’d run from a rabid dog that perhaps once was innocent and gentle. Now the dog is rabid: it no longer matters how it became rabid. And so you run, fast, and you don’t look back, because every second you allow false hope to delay you increases your risk of grievous harm.
You may have loved that dog; maybe loved it before it became rabid, or maybe it was rabid all along and you just didn’t know it. And maybe you even still love that rabid dog, or the persisting fantasy of it as unrabid.
But the dog is rabid, and a rabid dog doesn’t love you, and it was probably rabid going way back and never really loved you as you once imagined, but again”¦it makes no difference.
There are rabid animals, and there are rabid people, and neither loves you.
And so the time for analysis, of him, is up.
To be clear: I appreciate the need to make sense of trauma. But at some point, the analysis of exploiters can assume an obsessive desperation that subverts, rather than supports, the processing of trauma.
I speak here from the position of having worked with many victims of exploitive personalities who are very much like stunned deer caught, and as if suspended indefinitely, in the headlights.
One of the vital tasks is to unstun them.
And sometimes the dogged determination to “make sense” of, to “analyze” the exploitive traumatizer can be a disguised obsession with discovering something in the history (his or yours) that you insist on imagining would have made a difference”¦would have made him different?
We can search this angle interminably. And unless we call off the search, we will.
And it’s a search we’re wise to call off because it can effectively bring us to a standstill, forever.
(My use of “he” in this article was a convenience, not meant to imply that women aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed. This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Oxy: Yes, I did like that post….so true about the smarts they think they have. Once my x got fired from a job….and he was laughing about how he terrorized the boss and office so badly they all freaked and asked if he had a gun and called the sheriff on him. [after he had already left]. He got a real buzz off it and was ‘sharing’ it with me. I looked at him and said: “Did it ever occur to you all they thought was how nuts you are?” He looked at me like I had slapped him….LOL…of course it had not occurred to him!
I used this in court to show his behavior and he still squirmed in his seat at hearing it….bwaaaahahahahaha!
Babytalk: I cannot remember the name of the movie with Katherine Zeta Jones and Julia Roberts where K plays a P actress and she baby talks in it. My X loved baby talk….mostly to him….calling him ‘wittle boy’. I am telling you these P’s don’t grow up emotionally….they are stuck …mine was stuck at about junior high level emotionally.
Wow!! I’m so glad to learn that this is another characteristic of P/S. Another red flag that I didn’t even realize until now! Ewwww…it makes my skin crawl now. Why did it take me so long to think a grown man talking like a baby was so creepy?!?! LOL. My ex would often pout about getting older. It was his biggest fear. He never wanted to grow up. Even dressed like a teenager. By the end of the relationhip some of his outfits were so questionable. I would even say “aren’t you a little old to be wear those clothes???” He was stuck.
Some of them definitely have difficulty being “age appropriate” in their thinking and that “teenaged” mind set (whichBTW is partly from not having a fully grown pre-frontal cortex that has the JUDGMENT center matured yet. I wonder if brain scans would show this up in Ps. LOL
In any case I think their emotional “immaturity” and lack of judgment, and ZERO insight (like TB’s X not getting it that he had appeared like a nut case, not a “winner,” as he perceived himself) Being reminded of this also apparently didn’t please him either. glad you were able to use it TB.
“My ex would often pout about getting older. It was his biggest fear. He never wanted to grow up. Even dressed like a teenager.”
Hmmm….amber…..my x’s greatest fear was and is: growing older. Your above comment was exactly him. He dressed/dresses like a teen right down to man jewelry….young t shirts hanging out and his cap on sideways or backwards giving some kinda nutty ‘gang’ or hand signs to the kids that worked under him. Talks teen slang and looks like an absolute nut. They all accept him tho….at least to his face. He ran off four years ago with a 19 old girl and was running in a pack of teenagers that he housed/fed/and God knows what else for/with. After he returned [on the stipulation he get help/meds] he still stayed this way and once again started cheating and running with younger people. He is still this way even after I walked and my daughter by him says his mom said he’s melted in the head and really believes he is young. He even went back to the University here and was running in a pack of teens till he had to go back to work full time and they dumped him from the group. This man is 50 years old!
Thx, Oxy! Yeah…of all the things I testified about ….his neglect, abuse, cheating. lying, abandonment etc…..the ONLY time he winced was when I brought this out. The rest….he got a power surge from.
TB!! AAAAHHHHHH!!!! It’s soooo scary how they are all the same. My ex had two distinct lives. He had the professional 9-5 corporate job, wife and kids. To that world, he looked perfect. And then he had the music career, which I was a part of. And this was the true him. The alcoholic/druggie, dressed like a teen, hanging out with KIDS, lying cheating, calculated, conning, manipulative piece of shit. He tried so hard to fit in with the younger crowd and dressed younger because he was sooooo afraid that people would know his real age. He was terrified of people knowing anything about him. And he too, cheated on me with a 19 year old girl. And he was 40!!! He knew he could get away with some of it because he didn’t look his age at all. He maybe looked about 30, so if he knew he could lie about his age, then he would. I remember one night being out with him and some drunk guy asked me…what’s his deal anyway?? Isn’t he like 40? Why is he still pretending to be a KID? He’s so washed up!!! LOL! So true. And it’s true what you say..they all accept him to his face, which made his ego even bigger, but I saw the looks people gave him, I heard the comments being made, I knew that they all thought he was ridiculous. He really is a joke. He thinks that ALLLL these people love him, but jokes on him!! His clock is ticking and he knows it, once the music is gone, he’ll have nothing. He has no close friends. I find it ironic. The man who performs for thousands on stage and has this public image of being so “together” and “happy” and “lots of friends and fans”…In reality he doesn’t have a soul in the world that he’s close to or really cares about him. He had surgery on his neck a couple months before we broke up. Do you think one of those people he calls his “friends” came to see him??? Or call to see how he was doing?? Not one. It made him soooo depressed. Pretty sad. He would often tell me that he didn’t want to get old because he knew he was going to be alone. Karma’s a bitch!! I keep praying for the day that he self-destructs!!
Yea, they have this idea that the world circles around them and that everyone envies them and thinks they are great! They don’t get how crazy it looks of an older person to be pretending their are “young.” they have NO dignity. Accepting that we are 40, 50, 60 etc is part of a normal aging process (and we all DO AGe) but they seem to pretty much have a big problem with this. they think they are the exceptions and they look really HOT dressed and acting like a teenager. People just snicker at them behind their backs.
Well, if you put your “self esteem” on your looks you are going to be pretty bummed out in the end, we all end up looking like yoda if we live long enough. LOL
Amber, yep, mine is stuck trying to be a child. He told me he never wanted to grow up. Recently, I called him on that statement and he said, “I said I never wanted to grow OLD, because your body gets sick and your wife leaves you”.
I replied, “no, you said you never wanted to grow UP, and your wife doesn’t have to leave you unless you’re a jerk! like you are.”
It really cements what the book, “WHY IS IT ALWAYS ABOUT YOU?” explains: narcissism is a case of emotionally arrested development. These people have infantile needs and fears. They fear abandonment and they need lost of attention, they are parasitical like infants are. All this wouldn’t be so bad if they were also mentally retarded, but the intellect of an adult and the emotions of a child come together to form EVIL. With power comes responsibility. They have the power of an adult but they have refused the responsibility. They will do as they please and damn the consequences to anyone else.
I never thought that at my age, I would learn how evil childishness is.
Excellent article Steve!
Although I have known some people thru the years that occasionally used baby talk, (none of them anything remotely close to being a socio or psychopath or cluster B, IMO), I am very happy to say that is the one annoying thing my Ex P did NOT do. He did not use baby talk at all–EVER, thank God. I knew I would eventually find one positive thing I could say about him! lol!
…He tended to cycle like Oxy described her son as doing–pleading, sweet, normal, threatening….and he could go thru all the stages in less than 30 minutes and start over again if none of them seemed to be working. It was almost as if he was like the wind, just randomly tossing out different styles and saying whatever came to his mind and if none worked, fine tuning them a bit and going back thru the cycle and tossing them out again until one seemed to stick and work.
.And Henry, LOVED the dog story!!! Jenn
Skylar: * high five girl….great post!
Oxy: yoda…bwaaaaaaahahahahaaa!
Amber: you are so right! When it gets down to the nitty gritty….the people they threw away are the only ones that loved them and stood by them. Mine relies on his mommy, sister and now he has a new mommy….a new wife that my daughter says is very maternal….she has two grown sons….so has just added my x to her kids. But….he’s rebelling, of course…what do bad little teen boys do????? But, her boys won’t let him treat her like crap. *It really has me wondering why he always picks females with young sons tho….this is like his eighth one in a year! >>that I even know of.