There comes a time when nurture becomes nature.
This is the time when nurture and nature become inextricable, inseparable.
I suspect nobody knows precisely when this point arrives in the development of a given individual, but the immediate ramification is this: When you are involved specifically with a sociopath, or any exploitative personality, it is imperative that you stop asking how this person became who he is?
Sure, he likely endured—and was shaped by—some form of neglect or abuse growing up, and if this wasn’t obvious in the history, it was still likely there.
But here’s the point: it doesn’t matter. Not one bit.
Instead, you must relinquish your empathy, compassion and curiosity—in short, every emotion that supports your obsession to understand the genesis and evolution of your exploiter’s pathology—and confront the reality that you are dealing with (as I propose) a case of nurture becoming nature, about which there’s not a damned thing, at this point, to be done.
The damage, in other words, was baked into his character a long time ago. There is no ameliorating it now. Not all the love in the world—nothing that you have, or think you have, or thought you had to give him—will dent the petrification of his psychopathology.
His diseased personality disease is immutable, as good as etched in his DNA. Case closed.
And so what you do is this: You run for the hills, just as you’d run from a rabid dog that perhaps once was innocent and gentle. Now the dog is rabid: it no longer matters how it became rabid. And so you run, fast, and you don’t look back, because every second you allow false hope to delay you increases your risk of grievous harm.
You may have loved that dog; maybe loved it before it became rabid, or maybe it was rabid all along and you just didn’t know it. And maybe you even still love that rabid dog, or the persisting fantasy of it as unrabid.
But the dog is rabid, and a rabid dog doesn’t love you, and it was probably rabid going way back and never really loved you as you once imagined, but again”¦it makes no difference.
There are rabid animals, and there are rabid people, and neither loves you.
And so the time for analysis, of him, is up.
To be clear: I appreciate the need to make sense of trauma. But at some point, the analysis of exploiters can assume an obsessive desperation that subverts, rather than supports, the processing of trauma.
I speak here from the position of having worked with many victims of exploitive personalities who are very much like stunned deer caught, and as if suspended indefinitely, in the headlights.
One of the vital tasks is to unstun them.
And sometimes the dogged determination to “make sense” of, to “analyze” the exploitive traumatizer can be a disguised obsession with discovering something in the history (his or yours) that you insist on imagining would have made a difference”¦would have made him different?
We can search this angle interminably. And unless we call off the search, we will.
And it’s a search we’re wise to call off because it can effectively bring us to a standstill, forever.
(My use of “he” in this article was a convenience, not meant to imply that women aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed. This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
LIG lmao
I did obsess for a long time over why my X-son (and x-husband) were N/P/S. I have to accept the fact that they are fundamentally different in every way . . in their bones, in their brain, in their veins, in their spirit.
They come from a place of hate, anger, negativity, aggression . . . why? We could just as easily ask. Why do we come from a place of love, understanding, compassion. IT IS WHAT IT IS! AND CAN’T BE CHANGED
The N/P/S’s have accepted US. They KNOW that to get along with us they must “wear a mask”, and pretend to be kind, charming, generous, positive, keep commitments etc.
Our acceptance of them means. . . We should know (and accept) that they are different, that they are wearing a mask, that they are full of hate and anger, that they will NEVER change, that this is who they are at a fundamental level, and what we see a mask THAT WILL DROP, when they feel it is safe for THEM to drop it (i.e., they have us)
IMHO . . ACCEPTING them means knowing they are what they are, they will never change, they cannot change . . and we must RUN FOR THE HILLS TO SAVE OURSELVES
Skylar,
I am reading a book that you might find interesting reading as well.
It is called : When a stranger calls you mom.
It isn’t necessarily about the S/P/N personality. More about the damaged child inside, from children of neglect and trama situations and what foster or adoptive familys are up against when trying to raise/love them.
It is written by a doctor and also a mother of adopted children from neglectful/tramatized backgrounds.
Hi Witsend,
thanks for the book recommendation. I’ll put it on my list.
I have a book on hold at the library ready to pick up: “Why does he do that? Inside the minds of angry and controlling men” by lundy bancroft.
The author is considered an expert, I haven’t read this or any of his other books but he was recommended by another N-supply.
The book you recommended might be helpful for me in my own quest to grow up and stand up for myself. I’m so pathetic.
Update me on you situation with the counselor that you met last week. Any chance your son will go see her? I just hate to think about giving up on him because he is so young. It makes me sad to think that there can’t be a “fix” for him. But I do understand the disorder and how all encompassing it is.
Also . . . . It seems very ironic to me, that one of the hallmarks of the N/P/S person is the need to control OTHER people.
When in fact, the one thing they are hopelessly BAD at controlling is THEMSELVES . . i.e., their rages, anger, aggression, & pathological lying.
It almost seems . . since they can’t control THEMSELVES . . . they are going to control OTHERS.
Witsend,
I’m very interested in your book, and the findings. I wish ther were a way that I could connect with you more directly regarding your book.
In any of your studies have you interviewed the adult/children of such neglet and traumitization? I’m curious.
Isabell
Dear isabell,
There is a book review on here somewhere I think about “If you had controlling parents”—if not you can find it reviewed on Amazon. It is quite a good book and I have read it. therea re several books on that subject, and controlling parents are one “set up’ for being controlled by Ps as well. Parents who do not value a child’s feelings and thoughts (that doesn’t mean that they allow bad behavior or are not teaching the child good behavior) but that they tell the child the child has no “right” to their feelings of anger etc. set a child up to be controlled as an adult, I think.
I used to tell my kids when they were little, “You can be mad at me for not letting you do XYZ, but you can’t kick me in the shins because you are angry.” When I had been growing up I was told that my FEELINGS were bad. That I had no right to my own feelings because my feelings were “wrong.”
There are many “self help” books out there to help us recognize and change the things about ourselves that put us at risk for being vulnerable to dysfunctional and unhealthy relationships. One book may be helpful to you, and another to me because none of us come from identical back grounds or have exactly the same needs. There are quite a few good ones reviewed here on LF.
Isabell,
This book is about “childrens perspective” from the research and “hands on” findings (by adopting 4 troubled foster children herself). Written by a woman who has a doctorite in developmental psycology and is an expert in child development and parent-child relationships.
Even with her back ground when she adopted these troubled children she had found that she was totally out of her LEAGUE when trying to raise them.
So she tried to find what research had been done and found that it wasn’t enough and did some new research on her own. since then she has shared her experience in this book from working with thousands (!!) of adoptive and foster families, social workers etc.
Hello sweet LF posters!
I’ve been reading this message and most of the responses, and I noticed something that my lover continues to do, and that is to continually ask “how could she do this to me?” and expects to figure it out.
Usually, I let him vent, and then remind him that he is trying to apply logic, the actions and reactions of a person with normal thought processes, values and character to a person who has NONE of the positive qualities that normal people have.
I believe it’s very difficult for those who have not experienced this first hand either to have been a victim, or in my case, to love a victim, to understand that S or Ps may have the ABILITY to make the right choices, but they have no DESIRE to do so. Their evil nature takes over each and every time, and it’s a chilling thing to experience. I read a post on here in the archives about being “soul raped” and that’s the most apt description I’ve ever read. Every part of a victim’s soul has been violated by these animals. My lover is having such a hard time healing, and I know there is nothing I can do for him except be supportive and remind him that he is a good and caring person who did not deserve to be “soul raped” no matter what his shortcomings were within the relationship.
Normal relationships do not include lies, manipulation, cheating, fraud, theft and denial; his periods of not being attentive enough to her or giving her everything she ever wanted did not cause her to do this to him. Those are problems that many couples have and work through, and normal people do not retaliate with sociopathic behavior.
Sometimes he hears me, but sometimes, he doesn’t. It’s an extremely difficult situation.