By Joyce Alexander, RNP (retired)
I guess I am making a “confession” here of being a wimp, or maybe an enabler, for the majority of my life. But when people would ask me for a “favor,” I would almost always do it, even if it meant that I had to cancel plans of my own that I would much rather have done. In other words, by saying “yes” to my friends and family, I was saying “no” to myself.
Shopping on Mondays
After my husband died I cared for my stepfather during his long battle with cancer. In fact, I cancelled my “life” and my own grieving for my husband to voluntarily be there for him. I wanted to be there for him. However, after his death and a reasonable period of time, I realized that I had put my own business interests on hold to take care of him and my egg donor, and because of that, I had lost value in several large assets that I needed to take care of before they deteriorated more and became totally valueless.
The egg donor had a habit of wanting to go to town on Monday, for no particular reason except that was the day she had always gone to town since her retirement. One Sunday, I spoke to her because I had something very important to do on the following Monday and wouldn’t be available to take her to town to grocery shop on Monday, but could take her on Tuesday. I went to her house to tell her how I had neglected my own business interests over the last 18 months and now it was time for me to get cracking and take care of these interests and that I might not be available when she wanted to go to town, unless it was an emergency of course, and then I would cancel any plans, and that I would take her anywhere she wanted to go, but we’d work around my schedule of business.
She looked at me like I had asked her to jump off the roof, and she said, “But what if I WANT TO GO TO TOWN ON MONDAY?” I was a bit taken back by the tone of her voice and the look in her eye, but I patiently re-explained that it really didn’t matter if she went to town on Monday or not, that any day was okay to grocery shop. Still she looked at me wide-eyed, that I would dare put my needs before her desires.
That was a totally unsuccessful attempt to set some boundaries and actually caused her to become so angry that she immediately started the devalue and discarding, finding the Trojan Horse Psychopath and my psychopathic daughter-in-law to do her bidding and “jump when she said frog.” Because I had said “no” to her, she would punish me and replace me.
Wanting to help
Setting boundaries with others, especially “family and close friends,” has been a challenge my entire life. But I didn’t realize it, because I didn’t even know what a “boundary” was. I lived in the expectation that I was supposed to drop everything I had planned and meet the needs of my friends and family and if they were unhappy, it was my job to “make them happy.” If I did something for myself instead of doing something for others then I was being “selfish.” Saying “yes” to the demands of others was what I was put on this earth to do.
Was I tired? Were they hungry? Well, of course I’d get up and get them something to eat, no problem. Did they need a babysitter so they could go out on the town? Well, so what if I had worked hard all week and come home to my own house full of toddlers or teenagers, I’d cancel my plans and sit for their kids ”¦ no problem.
There are times when we want to cancel our plans to do something to take care of the need of someone we love, such as when my beloved stepfather got cancer. I didn’t even hesitate to cancel my “life” to be there for him. I moved across the pasture into the spare room in my parents’ home so I would be available in case he needed me during the night (he frequently did). I “closed down” my kitchen and told my son, our hired hand, and my husband that they could come to my parents’ house to eat, and they did. I was there for every doctor’s visit with my Daddy ”¦ and was glad to be. It was not an imposition at all. I also had household help for cleaning, a hospice aide for help with his personal care, and the neighbors and the church brought in enough food to feed an army, so I actually had to do little cooking. I was also able to take the breaks needed by caregivers to “just get away,” so it was, given the nature of the situation, ideal. When he finally passed away, he was ready to go and we were also ready to let him go, we did our grieving together.
So there are instances when we completely shut down our own lives to give care to another and that is perfectly okay. But when we are asked to do something though and we do not want to do it, we resent doing it, then we need to ask ourselves if saying “yes” to someone else means saying “no” to ourselves.
Resentment
When we give time, effort or money to someone and we resent doing it ”¦ when someone comes to “borrow” money and you know they will never repay it, and you want to say “no” but you are afraid of hurting their feelings or you feel trapped one way or another into “having” to “loan” them the money, then you are saying “NO” to yourself.
Even if the “cause” is good, such as a charity, but you don’t want to donate, yet you feel guilty for not donating, then you are “saying yes to others, and no to yourself.”
Someone said once that “No” is a complete sentence. That’s actually pretty profound if you think about it. We are all adults, and we know how to say the word “no,” but many times we won’t say it for fear of hurting someone else’s feelings, or feeling guilty for saying it.
Some people seem to know how to push your buttons to get you to do things for them, give them things, or allow them to literally walk on your back and you keep saying “yes” to them when you really want to scream “NO!” Sometimes we say “yes” many times and the resentment builds up (as it always will when you want to say “no” and instead say “yes.”) and eventually the resentment builds so high that one day they demand that you do such and such and you “explode!” You give them the tongue lashing that you’ve wanted to give them ever since you said “Yes” the last 15 or 20 times when you wanted to say “No” instead.
Enabling
Saying “yes” when you want to say “no” is a form of what many people will call enabling, doing for others what they should be doing for themselves. Taking responsibility for others’ needs when they are perfectly capable and able to meet these needs themselves. That kind of saying “yes” causes resentment. Me saying “yes, I’ll take care of you” to my stepfather didn’t cause resentment because I loved him, and I knew that he could not meet those needs himself. I was glad to provide them. Taking the egg donor to town every Monday, and ONLY on Monday when it wasn’t necessary and when she could have hired a driver, when I had serious business to transact, that would have been enabling.
I’m learning to say “no” to people now when I want to say “no,” and “yes” when I don’t mind saying “yes.” It takes practice and patience with ourselves but it makes life so much more peaceful when you have the courage and ability to say “no” and know that by doing so, if the person you say “no” to gets upset, you don’t care. It is okay for someone to be upset with you. It is perfectly okay to say, “No, I’d rather not do that, but thank you for asking.”
Gosh Joyce. I’m about to cry reading this article. I have this problem. I say yes to absolutely everything short of someone requesting to murder me.
Lately, I’ve been trying so hard to stop this, but I have this absolutely terrifying fear of being retaliated against and then abandoned.
More specifically, my boyfriend had a nervous breakdown and has been in a medical ward for the past 2 weeks. Of course, being this type of person, I put all my needs on pause immediately. I’ve been to visit him every chance I have. I call him at least twice during the day to check if he is okay, ask if he needs anything, offer support etc.
But I’m having problems with my job that have resulted in me actually going 2 weeks without eating anything but apples, carrots, and protein shakes because my employer is paying me WAY less money than promised and now I’m trapped in Germany, freaking out that I have to find another job or face starvation/deportation. I literally cannot afford food.
After dealing with a boyfriend in the hospital, eating nothing but apples, carrots and protein shakes for almost 2 weeks now, and fear of needing a new job/getting deported, I’m totally overwhelmed. So, today, I asked him if I could talk about this with him, because we are pretty close at this point. He actually got frustrated with me for being upset. Then he told me I am being insensitive when he is in the hospital and I being emotional. (I’m freaking hungry! Of course I am emotional!) I told him that I’ve been there for him like a rock since he went in there, that I’ve done my best not to burden him with any of my own issues, and he has an army of psychologists helping him out…..I have no one in this country at all. I just asked him if for a moment he could be there for ME for a moment.
Now, he is NOT a spath. Absolutely not. He is overwhelmed, yes. But I made the mistake of thinking that just because I would do anything to support him and be there for him….that when I needed some kind words, he’d put himself aside for a moment to be the same way.
That’s the biggest problem with us saying “yes” all the time is that we run out of gas because we put all our gas into other people’s tanks, and then when our car runs out, we have no gas. We ask them if they can give us some gas this time, and they act like sharing gas is a crazy idea.
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I forgot to mention that the house is a mess too cause I spend all my spare time being supportive of him. I’m so depressed/stressed right now I can barely do anything short of collapse.
Edit: And I feel SO GUILTY for asking him to help/talk to me about something other than all the stuff going on in the ward. It must be so hard to be in there!!!! It’s just that….I’m so stupid. I feel so selfish and mean. I shouldn’t have asked him. I should have found other people to talk to. I just thought we were close, you know?
Panther, as I remember, please correct me if I am wrong, this relationship is fairly NEW is it not?
You picked a man who is so needy and so broken that he has to be HOSPITALIZED IN A MENTAL INSTUITION and he seems to be so SELF CENTERED that he can’t realize what his prosition is doing to YOU and your concerns are not his….so please tell me even if this guy is NOT A PSYCHOPATH (and I think comparing any man to your last one Tend Bundy would turn up nice by comparison) it seems to me that you are picking people who NEED TO BE FIXED, and that is a problem with YOU, not just with the men you are picking.
He may be the “nicest guy inn the world” and “not a psychopath” but here you are in another dysfunctional situation going HUNGRY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD and this man is only concerned with you being there for him>
Hospital or no hospital, I saw, Panther that you TAKE CARE OF YOU and stop taking care of the broken and down trodden in this world….FEED YOURSELF….and heal yourself before you get involved with ANOTHER NEEDY PERSON….he may not be a psychopath but he is a person who is NEEDY and requires a lot of energy that YOU don’t have available right now. WAIT for a relationship, Panther–many of us jump back into relationships after we think we are strong again and it hasn’t really been all that long since you came here still in the spin cycle….don’t even think of another relationship for a year at least to be SAFE….in the meantime, you need a man who is emotionally unstable like you need another hole in your head. Dump this guy. Take care of YOU.
Panther ~ HUNGRY – I can’t hear this!!!!
Sorry baby, Oxy is right. Your edit really upset me. Please think of yourself, now.
love – MiLo
Panther,
Oxy said it. I couldn’t have said it better. And the topic of this thread has said it best. GET THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM.
Even before mental health, FOOD, WATER AND A ROOF OVER YOUR HEAD are priorities. This is sooooo wrong, Panther. Anyone who doesn’t care if you eat is not good for you.
Put your feelings for BF aside. Deal with your employer. You are too nice and you are letting people take advantage of you. Time for the PANTHER to pull out her claws, sharpen them and go make a killing.
Ox, Milo, Sky,
Yes, I guess you are right. It does seem self-centered to me, but he says his therapists and group therapy people don’t find him insensitive or self-centered. I did directly tell him that he should empathize with my position too, as I’m trying so hard to empathize with his. He just got frustrated, and then he checked with everyone at the ward about our conversation, and they said that he isn’t being insensitive.
I had no idea he would end up in a hospital. When we met, he said that he wasn’t made of glass and he seemed pretty collected. This happened suddenly. He seemed to have it all under control, and then BAM he called me and said he was going to the hospital. I was thinking WHAT THE HELL? Since WHEN are you emotionally falling apart? He had kept a straight face until he snapped.
Considering 4 months of him being nothing short of a fantastic guy, I don’t think it’s fair to kick him to the curb the moment he goes through a hard time. But I need to focus on my own needs and find a way to distance myself. I, too, have been hospitalized for mental health issues (when I was 14 my dad threw me in there). It doesn’t seem right to dump someone just because they are going through a hard time. That’s really not fair, considering that he has emotionally invested in a relationship and gave me his trust.
I’ll definitely distance myself to work on my immediate problems, put him more on the back burner, but I care for him a lot. I don’t want to walk out on him just because he is going through hard times. I’ll just have to trust in the therapists to know what they are doing and let him fix this with them.
Sky, I am a vegetarian, but I’d gladly kill some broccoli right about now.
Dear Panther,
This guy is a leech, sucking the life out of you. Since I attract disordered guys by the bucketful I read this book about dangerous men to stay away from. Your supposed boyfriend fits one of the descriptions. Needy Ned. Not all guys are like this and please don’t settle for needy Ned.
Do you feel this is a reciprical relationship? Can you talk to him and he’ll listen? If you tell him that it’s important that he listen because you need him, is he there for you? Dump the guy if you can’t answer yes to these questions.
I agree, he’s not like your last beau who resembled Ted Bundy for sure. A master manipulator. Thank gosh he’s gone, but now you are dealing with a leech who can’t give you what you need and you DESERVE to be happy.
Ask yourself if you would behave the same way this guy is behaving if it were you in the hospital. Hell no you wouldn’t. So don’t make excuses for him, it’s not okay for him to be sooo selfish.
I am finally dating a non-disordered man, and he listens. I’ve never had that and it sure feels good. They are out there, you don’t need to settle for anything less.
I wish I could help you with your food situation. You will let Lovefraud know if it gets dire, right?
Panther,
I have to say that I think he is lying about what his therapists said. No therapist in their right mind would agree that your need to eat should come after his “peace of mind.” F*** THAT!
I hate to remind you Panther that people who go for spaths will often end up with another spath – and another, and another, until you clear up your own issues. They don’t all seem alike. In fact, none of the spaths in my life seem anything like each other – on the surface. Then the funny little quirks come out. The self-centered attitudes etc… And BTW, they are ALL so nice at first. Couldn’t be nicer.
How long have you been with this guy?
panther, you don’t need his therapist or therapy-group members to tell you how his response made you feel. Your FEELINGS are not wrong. You trusted him to confide in him and he made you feel as if you’re a narcist and selfish for even trying to lean on him once. Maybe it’s true he cannot be expected to do this in the state he is in right now. Fine. But he was insensitive by making you feel guilty for confiding in him.
You know, I think that at this moment NEITHER of you should be romantically involved with each other. He needs to work at himself, have his ME-time to get well again. And you NEED me-time and get emotionally better TOO.
No, you don’t necessarily need to drop him like a hot stone as a person… but neither of you has the energy to give to each other, nor should you be giving to each other at these times. You can tell him that perhaps it’s best he’s left emotional room to heal himself, and you have emotional room for yourself, not to visit him and call him, and put any romantic relating on hold for a while. This is not to punish him, but give you both the space and time you need to work on your selves.
Save your money that you’re paying for calling him and visiting him for food instead.
Panther,
I just read your post. What did your boyfriend tell the therapists? Were you in the room when he talked to them? Getting backup minions was a favored pastime of the old spath, be careful about trusting what he says.
To me, his behavior is a big red flag.
Panther, were there any other signs with this guy that he is unbalanced? Or is he just one of these stoic types that keeps things bottled up? I totally support your standing by a friend who is going through a hard time. However, being hospitalized is a red flag in a serious relationship IMO. It really takes a good 6 months to see someone’s character. And now you are seeing that when the chips are down for you, he is so self-involved that he cannot be there for you. Please do not downplay your anger at the situation – you have a right to be upset. Your anger is telling you something. Let it fuel you to go out and get your needs met – standing up to your boss for more money so you can EAT; finding friends who CARE about your needs, etc. Even though your bf is completely incapacitated and can’t/won’t be there for you, you STILL have the right to be angry about it. It might not be skillful to direct it at him right now but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be angry.
I also read a book about spotting dangerous men, and guess what? There is a whole chapter on the mentally ill. It was a real eye opener for me.