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Why laws don’t work with sociopaths

The federal Violence Against Women Act is up for renewal. This law, originally passed in 1994, provides the following programs and services:

  • Community violence prevention programs
  • Protections for victims who are evicted from their homes because of events related to domestic violence or stalking
  • Funding for victim assistance services, like rape crisis centers and hotlines
  • Programs to meet the needs of immigrant women and women of different races or ethnicities
  • Programs and services for victims with disabilities
  • Legal aid for survivors of violence

The law has already been renewed twice, in 2000 and 2005, always without fanfare. This year, however, opponents object to expanding the coverage to gays and lesbians, and want to limit protection for domestic violence victims who are illegal immigrants.

Please pause and read the following article:

GOP’s Violence Against Women Act would open up undocumented victims to more abuse, on HuffingtonPost.com.

Two sides of the debate

So here, according to the article, are the two sides of the debate regarding immigrant women:

In some cases, husbands would use their control over their victims’ immigration status as a tool of abuse, refusing to sign the proper paperwork or threatening to revoke it.

And

House Republicans say that some women have taken advantage of the confidentiality by fraudulently claiming abuse to acquire residency status.

Which side is correct? Both of them.

Lovefraud has cases that illustrate both sides of the argument. I’ve heard from women from other countries whose abusive partners threatened to get them thrown out of the United States if they tried to leave the relationship. And I’ve heard from men who married foreign women, and as soon as the women obtained their green cards, turned around and accused them of domestic violence.

In both cases, we’re dealing with sociopaths. Dr. Liane Leedom says that half of the people who commit domestic violence are sociopaths, and the other half have sociopathic traits. And, as far as I’m concerned, everyone who commits love fraud is a sociopath. Who else could seduce an unsuspecting partner into marriage and then dump him or her with fake domestic violence charges?

Impotent legal system

The problem comes down to this: Rules are made for people who follow the rules. Sociopaths believe the rules do not apply to them. Therefore, when it comes to dealing with sociopaths, the rules are virtually useless.

Laws do not prevent sociopaths from doing what they want to do. The only usefulness of a law is being able to punish a sociopath afterwards, if the person actually gets caught and prosecuted. And this only works when there is enough evidence, and a savvy enough prosecutor, to keep the sociopaths from talking themselves out of trouble.

Here’s what we all need to understand: When it comes to dealing with sociopaths, everything is different. Whenever the structures of civil society impede their agendas, this subset of humans simply ignores them. They don’t want to be inconvenienced by laws, rules, ethical guidelines, social conventions, customs, manners or interpersonal consideration. They have no moral compass.

Renewing the VAWA

So, when it comes to renewing the law, what’s the answer? I’d vote for keeping the protections strong for victims. But perhaps some of the money should fund training for law enforcement, courts and domestic violence counselors about sociopaths, and how good they are at pretending to be victims when they aren’t.

If an immigrant woman can confidentially apply for a visa to escape true domestic violence, that’s good. But if a woman (or man) falsely claims domestic violence in order to stay in the country, I’m all for throwing her out.


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G1S

My son’s P father had a maid who was an illegal immigrant. I learned about this because my son’s grandmother (the P’s mother) told me about the situation.

She (my son’s grandmother) said that the P would threaten to call immigration if the maid didn’t do what he told her to do. She (the grandmother) was horrified that she had brought such a person into the world.

I’m sure he wasn’t treating the maid well or generously.

My guess is that she was some kind of slave labor.

Truthspeak

Donna, thank you SO much for posting this!!! And, the point that rules are made for those who follow rules is truthful and valid.

Educating Law Enforcement would be a great idea if empathy and “public service” were mandatory for all Law Enforcement Officials and Representatives. Unfortunately, we know that neither of these attributes can be mandated.

Thanks so much, Donna.

Ox Drover

In the case of my son Patrick, laws are just things to be broken and checked off his list of “things to do” The same with prison rules, getting away with breaking prison rules, whether it is having sex with a cute little married major, smuggling in a cell phone, or just what. If there is a rule, it is to be broken.

Rules are for others though. If he steals your stuff, tuff. If you steal his stuff, now that’s a horse of a different color, you must be punished for that.

If he tells you a lie, so what? But if you lie to him or break an agreement, now that’s a terrible thing and you must be punished.

If you catch him in a lie—well to him that’s nothing. Big deal, no embarrassment.

He robs your friend’s office, steals all the computers, using your car to haul the loot…well, he has to make a living you know. No big deal.

As for the laws against violence against women, and I think that law should be changed to “laws against violence against PEOPLE .” There will always be people who will use this law against others to try to get citizen ship, and most of the women who have come here as Russian mail order brides turned out to be scammers or slaves, and I’ve known several.

Back_from_the_edge

In my experiences, laws mean nothing to sociopaths/psychopaths. They are meant for everyone else but them. They are above the law. They are entitled to do whatever they wish because they lack morality and conscious. And, their lacking that morality and conscious is YOUR FAULT, not theirs. In fact, everything is your fault. You allowed them to do it. That is their mindset.

The laws need to be renewed and to include ALL PEOPLE not specific groups. Just ALL PEOPLE who need to be protected from abuse, be that abuse emotional and/or psychological or actual physical abuse. They should be considered the same. Harming a person, intentionally, either physically or psychologically is equally as damaging. With one, the bruises show and with the other the bruises don’t show.

It’s not enough to educate ‘law enforcement’…
It’s not enough to educate the medical profession…

THE PEOPLE need to know and be educated. They need to know they have ‘back up’ in their homes and in their lives. NOBODY should have to accept abuse yet it happens all the time because there is insufficient ‘legal’ back up. I bet if you gave law enforcement the tools they need, they would enforce these laws. Unfortunately, nothing can be enforced unless it’s a law.

I am so glad I am out of my ‘experience’ now.
Once and for all, FINALLY! There has been stalking but nothing to the degree I had expected. It has gotten real quiet now and it sure had better stay that way.

I pray for all the people who are at this moment being abused by an ugly person. May they find their ‘escape’ and may their eyes open wide before it’s too late.

Dupey

Truthspeak

OxD, absolutely change it to “Laws Against Violence Against People!”

Looks like you were beginning the “Sociopath Bucket List,” there, Oxy!

Hugs

G1S

Educating all people is the way to go.

I caught the tail end of a MSNBC special last night on Charles Manson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EWckBPSbfc

An expert and the host were watching a taped interview with Charles Manson.

The “expert” said that serial rapists and murderers don’t come from loving home environments.

She responded, “This is what happens when we don’t take care of our children. Warm, happy, nurturing families do not produce people who grow up to kill other people for fun or revenge. The probation and parole agencies need to be more mindful of how they treat and what they do with preadolescent, adolescent, and juvenile offenders.”

The host came back with, “Some say that there are people born bad.”

“I think that occassionally there is a bad seed, that despite nurturing and good parental love and supervision a bad person can come from that, but the vast majority of men who became serial killers came from very dysfunctional families and were victims of phsyical abuse, mental abuse, and sometimes sexual abuse at the hands of their own mother.”

“And the lesson is?”

“Treat your children well.”

So, now we know. It’s the mothers who sexually abused their children and didn’t love those babies enough who are responsible for the serial killers in our world.

Ox Drover

Yep, that’s me!!!! I did not love poor Patrick enough. Funny though, the rest of the kids are not serial killers or killers at all. I must have just picked on Patrick, that’s it. I guess any time a person turns out to commit a crime,, the parents should be locked up instead of the offspring. I will go report for my sentence.

G1S

My mother has four children. One is a P. The other three are not.

I could have sworn I was the scapegoat in the family and got the bulk of the abuse.

The P walked on water in my mother’s eyes.

Neither of my parents sexually abused any of us.

GASP! Could that “expert” have been wrong??

Ox Drover

As long as people think that kids are born blank slates upon which environment ONLY writes, then we are doomed to blame the parents. For generations so far back in time that no one remembers, parents were blamed for children who were “off”

The only ones I know who had it right were the Jews and if your son (or daughter) was uncontrollable you could have them judged to be stoned.

G1S

Then my S mother would have gotten rid of me and kept my P sister.

Not that I was uncontrollable, but I definitely was the one that she didn’t like.

We know whose word would have carried, don’t we?

Truthspeak

Once again, it seems that there’s always a ready-made excuse for WHY spaths do what they do and WHOM is to blame.

They just frigging ARE….that’s all. Sociopaths just ARE. Blame, excuses, and denial simply allow them to perpetrate continued carnages without fear of any consequences. Oy…………..vey…………….

G1S

Getting back to the original article, if people knew what Ps are and how they came to be, then they would realize how useless laws are against these people.

A Plan B would be necessary and/or the laws would need to be substantially changed to give meaningful protection.

darwinsmom

The laws are not useless. At least they’re still a tool to try to convict them of wrongdoing. It’s the belief that they can be law-abiding citizens in some future and grow empathy out of nowhere that needs heavy revizing.

That they won’t care about the laws is something I used in a comment on the NPR “justification” article, that proposed employers and others to put it in contract the other will not steal, lie, etc… It’s a given nobody’s supposed to do that, since those are criminal actions. Those who don’t care aout breaking the law, won’t flinch at breaking their contract either.

G1S

I meant that the laws are useless if the system or people’s ignorance permits the offenders to get around them.

I didn’t mean the laws are useless for everybody. They have made a difference because they’ve brought awareness and have given some people power to fight against perpetrators. Some people obey them.

But they aren’t going to stop somebody who has no respect for the law.

silvermoon

No, the laws aren’t useless and neither are the peple who enforce them, uphold them and ratify them.

It is a problem though that these systems move a lot slower than the abusers and that there are people who take advantage of them which costs those who are abused credibility up front.

Eventually, the law does catch up because it is relentless. But, in the meantime a lot of damage is done.

Since the system can and does make mistakes, it is a real problem to sort out who is believable and who isn’t.

G1S

Sadly, it has not been my experience that law enforcement and the courts are relentless.

In fact, my experience has been that they are both pretty indifferent and in fact often enabling when it comes to Ps.

Since psychopaths are addicted to power, it follows that they seek to influence people in positions of power or they seek those positions for themselves.

That means that they have infilterated the system thoroughly.

The first thing that my spath does upon moving into a town, is to scope out the cops. He gets friendly with them, plants seeds etc… Not just low-level cops, he goes to the highest levels he can, the sheriff in one town, the mayor’s elderly daughter in another town. This is so he can find their weaknesses and con them into doing illegal things then use that against them. Now they’ll protect him when he demands it.

This is what he’s done to me. All the cops who should have been protecting me were on his side. And he found a meth addict who had enough ability to become a cop and he helped him do that. Now that meth-spath is married to my sister and works for homeland security.

The problem is inherent in the system. It puts power into the hands of individuals but the responsibility is spread out among the ranks. Believe me, if RESPONSIBILITY was laid upon each member of the legal system, that is to say if they were HELD RESPONSIBLE for their actions, we would see a lot less spaths in positions of power. Responsibility is their kryptonite.

Truthspeak

G1S, my personal belief is that the Law is not subject to “empathy,” if that makes any sense. There’s “What Is,” and “What Should Be,” and I’ve rarely seen the two meet at any angle.

The Law isn’t necessarily concerned about how or what a victim might “feel” as a result of their experiences unless it’s a Criminal or Parole issue. Even then, it’s an ongoing fight for victims to defend their own victimization. “Well, if you didn’t want to be attacked, WHY were you walking on the sidewalk at that time of night?” Or, “If the abuse was SO bad, why didn’t you just leave, then?” Often, the victims are damaged even more, and I think that might, perhaps, be a factor in whether or not crimes go unreported.

In Civil cases, there is NO empathy for victims, on any level. At least, that has been my personal experience. There’s a “preponderance of the evidence” which translates into “He-Who-Has-The-Best/Most-Documentation-Wins,” but that only goes so far. Sure, I could “win” a Civil suit against the exspath, but he would then simply declare Bankruptcy and the Judgement would be “excused.”

I believe that the U.S. Laws were meant to be “fair,” and they are, for the most part. But, there seems to be little punitive consequences in cases such as mine. No need to go into great specifics, here, but it’s quite probable that the exspath is going to skip off into the sunset without experiencing any true and honest consequences for anything that he’s done. And, while that galls me to no end, it is what it is and cannot be amended.

I should hope that, at some future date, sociopaths/psychopaths are held accountable and face harsh consequences for their actions. As it is, it seems that our current cultural climate rewards bad behaviors with celebrity and notoriety.

Truthspeak

Skylar, we posted over one another, and I hear you! In OUR town, a cop actually orchestrated his estranged wife’s murder during their turbulent separation and staged the whole thing down to self-inflicted knife wounds that were noted to BE “self-inflicted” by all attending physicians and Staff. The man simply walked away with the replacement Mrs. Victim without anything harsher than “leave-without-pay” until the trial was done.

I agree, Skylar – in many cases, the inmates are running the asylums….

G1S

Truth,

Isn’t there a whole section of this website devoted to how the law, law enforcement, and the courts have failed victims of sociopaths and psychopaths?

Empathy has nothing to do with it.

It’s been the law and nothing has been done.

I saw nothing “relentless” on the part of the law in your personal descriptions that you described.

Truthspeak

G1S, I never mentioned that the Law is “relentless.”

And, there certainly is a section devoted to the topic. 😀

G1S

You’re right, Truthspeak. My mistake. I should have double-checked first.

I apologize.

Truthspeak

G1S, no worries! 😀

silvermoon

GIS,

I said the law is relentless. And I mean that it will, once the legal process is started pursue the end of that process.

Too slow?

Well, the victims can advocate or hire advocacy.

I think that’s where things fall apart. Its too much money and too much work and we choose to walk away.

The process doesn’t move fast enough in these cases. All tpp often tragedy proceeds its conclusion.

Every one of those stories is heartbreaking. And touches people who’ve “been there” to the core. it could have been any of us.

But that doesn’t mean that the system is so broken that nothing comes of it and that the disordered are free to rampage the world. They aren’t

And we aren’t either.

The second law of thermodynamics says you can’t get more out of a system than you put in. And I suggest over and over again that if you’re looking for Superman or the Avengers, it happens in comic books. To pursue real legal satisfaction its going to take time and cost money.

The victim has to be credible and that takes time to prove too.
No one can believe anyone straight up because all sides of the law have been abused.

But the process happens. Once you engage in it, it happens.
It takes time and costs money.

Over and over I think we expect extraordinary things to happen, and in the real world they don’t.

Its about lining up expectations. And getting that the process doesn’t favor extraordinary interventions without a lot of clear and defining reason.

If advantages were not taken on both sides, it would be a lot easier. But, people who take advantage, dilute the effect for the other side. And that all has to be weighed out.

There are so many sad and gut wrenching stories that follow these disordered. There are more everywhere every day. And I wish there were better answers.

But, unless and until there is a lobby for change that is organized and well funded and able to gain more money and awareness, things are going to continue pretty much as they are.

Even when there is such a thing, its going to be polluted by wrong doing and abuse of its good intentions. So the best we can do isn’t perfect.

It wasn’t in your case and it wasn’t in mine. And that is the best can be done without extraordinary effort and money.

Best we can do isn’t perfect. There is no perfect. Some outcomes are better than others. And that is why walking away is commonly considered the wisest thing to do.

And those of us who have been victims are going to see others fall prey to what we recognize.

But that doesn’t mean there aren’t good laws and solid people in the business of making and enforcing and upholding them or that the laws themselves aren’t there to provide protection and boundary.

Although there is a lot less protection in the Red states where politics and the system seem to favor the wealthy and the religious right. I see a kind of warping that follows there – barriers to PRO Se pursuit and an underlying conviction that no one is so bad that they can’t be turned. Scary

I think the best protection is on the West Coast which is often criticized for its liberal politic but seems to have better laws and enforcement and understanding of the problem.

We talked a lot a while back about the DA from San Bernadino who “gets it” . I think you were around for that conversation. I know Buttons was.

It ain’t all bad, but the best we can do and the revenge we wish for don’t always line up. And the disordered can do brutal harm in the time it takes for the process to wind out. We see that too.

If we as a nation, change our system to function on the assumption that guilt doesn’t have to be proved, innocence does it would be a better premise for convicting spaths. But, not what was intended when the nation was created.

Those things do hang in the balance.

The laws are there and the augers do turn.

Be careful what you wish for!

Silvermoon,
you said “its going to take time and cost money”
and I’m glad you said it twice. It’s worth saying again and again because it proves that there is no justice in the legal system. You can only get “justice” if you have time and MONEY. But the spath took all our money, so forget about it. Before he ever unmasked, he made sure you were left powerless. He took money, he got the cops on his side. He began sucking your power away, on the day you met. It was always his intent. While you, were busy giving your power to him and his pity ploy. He came across as powerless. He pretended to be a victim, someone needing help. Remember how Ted Bundy lured his victims with a cast and crutches.

By the time you figured out what was happening, you are powerless, you have no money, you are deeply in debt. This is his MO. It is ALL of their MO’s.

There is so much more to be told. It would take a book. For example, US currency. You can’t live without it – it’s the currency for the GLOBAL economy. If you don’t value money in our sick society, then you are powerless. It didn’t use to be this way. People used to trade, barter, etc…
By creating a one world currency, power can be concentrated and responsibility is nowhere in sight. It’s anethema to a spath.

They understand concepts we never even considered. Anything to do with power attracts their attention. Justice is a figment of the imagination if it isn’t available to everyone and if it depends on money. It’s a joke.

G1S

I’m sorry, Silvermoon. I disagree with you.

Once the process is started, it does not necessarily continue.

Judges throw things out all the time because they don’t want to bother looking at things.

The police won’t look into things for many reasons.

We are, unfortunately, often voices crying in a vacuum. Nobody hears us.

I don’t expect extraordinary things to happen. I think when somebody has no legal standing, goes into court ex parte, and takes your child out of a psychiatric hospital where she put him with suicidal ideation and then transport hims across state lines without any investigation or protection from the state, then admits in writing to the court that she knew no emergency existed to warrant what she did, I think that the person should be charged with kidnapping. Nothing happened. Absolutely nothing.

Slick lawyers present shady arguments that prevent facts coming out in court. My son’s P father’s lawyers lie in court and all the judges say is, “Oh really?” I get to say nothing.

Budgets prohibit certain information being presented or considered.

Money is no guarantee that the law will see the light. Money just helps the lawyers get richer.

I don’t know what magical world you live in, but I know it isn’t the world that I live in.

No, I wasn’t around for a conversation about a DA in San Bernadino. I have no knowledge of that.

stillinshock

My first divorce cost us $600. We did a civil dissolution and worked out arrangements with the property and the kids.

My divorce from the spath cost over $20K to get rid of him. I was a stay at home mom. Our courts work for the litigant that can pay the most money.

I have a family member in the court system (not mine, unfortunately). Politics DO come into play. There IS corruption. Some court systems are better than others. Depends on the location/area. But you cannot trust the court system to do what is right nor fair.

Some people feel the need to believe our system is just and fair. That is a really nice fantasy, but it is not reality.

Truthspeak

Stillinshock, yes – I agree that the reality of the legal system is far removed from what we’ve been taught to believe.

With regard to divorce, “No Fault” should be abolished in every State. In my case, there certainly IS documented “fault,” and I should not be punished further by “equitable distribution.”

The Law is not just and fair – it just isn’t. Rarely does a spath face true consequences for their actions. For instance, I could win a Civil actions against the exspath, without a doubt – not a single doubt. BUT, what would happen if I took him to court and won a judgement? He would simply declare bankruptcy and have that judgement disappear.

Nope – “justice” is a nice idea, but I don’t believe that it exists.

Truthspeak

In fact…..I would LOVE to read a post on this thread where a survivor of sociopathy DID see justice served. I really would! It might give me a glimmer of false hope! 😀

Back_from_the_edge

Truthspeak: I know a spath who has received a sort of ‘justice’, if you want to call karma ‘justice’….

I know of a spath who played several older women, online, and charmed them and wooed them and moved right in. Average time was approximately two weeks in all cases I am aware of.

After he swooned them and pushed them into marriages (and there are several) he would desert them for the next one on the list, the whole time, playing them all against one another. One by one they would divorce him and they would give him something ‘to end it’. He has done this to women even in nursing homes, swooning them to leave everything to him, because they had nobody else and he was the only one ‘left’.

I am talking about one of the ugliest spaths you could ever imagine. Always got his way; if he didn’t, he would beat it into you. There are those as well.

The last time I saw it, over a year ago now, I let it know that I was ‘on to it’…but that is neither here nor there. Truthspeak, you said you would LOVE to read a post on this thread where a survivor of sociopathy DID see justice served and I am trying to get to that point. hehehe

Within the last two years, this spaths ‘house of cards’ has fallen, just one right after another. I am not talking about a sociopath nor a plain old narcissist, I am talking about a full blown psychopath. More than just ‘textbook’; more like the kind you would see in the movies, including all the death threats, stalking, you name it, the only thing missing was the head spinning around and I think he does that when he is alone.

One wife figured him out, and she threw him out, changed the locks and kept everything he had and did it legally by divorcing him after a severe beating. The beating was so bad they had considered it a felony. I mean, she got everything. Even his underwear and oh my goodness, proof galore: HIS COMPUTER. Imagine that. He left, one time, to go visit another one of his ‘herd’ and when he did, she changed all the locks and had him served with papers and a restraining order.

THEN, after a fashion, he came to see ME. The ‘other woman’ didn’t want him…he was so forlorn! He came to play me and well, that didn’t work out too well for him either. After hiding his marriage from me, for four years, the trust issue certainly took a dive. So he lily padded on, further, to another woman, who probably has given him AIDS/HIV. A woman he can’t stand and hates and is probably torturing, at this very moment….he is playing her jealousy against her and finds her amusing. Once again, an ill woman, he met online, who has things that he wants. I know him too well … I have been threatened: “Go to the authorities, they won’t believe you. You are crazy. Your going to therapy and taking meds will prove that….”

He has an income, however small, but lives off of other women he meets online and bounces around like the whore he is. He is a sex addict and always has been. It took me a while to figure him out, about ten years, actually; the past 3 have been real telling…as all the evidence and proof has come to light. He wanted sooo bad to go back ‘home’ to the RICH wife who dumped him…if he couldn’t be there, he wanted to be with me and I wouldn’t have him either unless he would commit himself to some type of therapy or treatment and even had it arranged for him. HE CHOSE NOT TO and lily padded some more.

I don’t know what you think, but I think THAT is justice and that kind of justice doesn’t come from a court of any law. I don’t know where this kind of karma comes from but DO HAVE HOPE because it DOES HAPPEN.

This spath, for all his deceptions, all of his lies and web spinning; all of his criminal use of others’ emotions and feelings and very lives…he is going to eventually come down with and die from AIDS. And, he is spreading it around out there but his own faults are going to be the very same thing that robs his life. KARMA IS ON ITS WAY. He has two strikes against his ‘three strike FEDERAL law’, one more and he will go to prison for AT LEAST 13 years, just on the things he has done to me. There are many more, who have their own causes of action.

He is spinning himself out and he will awake some morning, dealing with the suffering of AIDS, alone, and have nothing and nobody. Even his family has alienated him because the ugliness is so deep.

I have watched his entire life blow apart and those are HIS CHOICES; nobody is making his life this way but himself.
We are the Captain of our own ships…

I don’t know what you think but “I” think THAT IS JUSTICE.
I didn’t make it happen, HE DID. THAT is ‘justice’ to me.

HOPE is real and JUSTIFICATION comes where it is due; it may take a while for it to come back around, but it always does. I have seen it many times in my life.

I had to write this and not pass up the chance to say that: “YES; HOPE IS ALIVE. HOPE IS NOT A FALSE THING; OH BUT TO HAVE THAT SEED FROM WHICH YOU CAN GROW A BOUNTIFUL GARDEN! I have witnessed ‘justice’ at work and it hasn’t been in a court of law, My Dear.

I am finally out of the ugliness now. After ten years of this ‘roadshow’, I am finally able to find some peace in my life.
It has been a struggle and almost decimated me psychologically and emotionally, as well as almost physically but I am starting to see that which goes down, sooner or later comes around.

I didn’t make these things happen, HE did.
I am not gloating in his misfortune, in fact, I pray for him, all the time…however un useful my prayers are to him. I am just at peace now knowing that things are what they are meant to be.

Happy day to you all.

Dupey

Truthspeak

Thanks, Dupey – I do have a wobbling belief that karma does work, somehow. And, I told the exspath that he had created the ugliness through his own actions – anything that happens to him will be of his own doing and will have nothing to do with me exacting revenge.

I think the need to “see” justice served is born of a need to feel validated – that, somehow, the experiences were deliberately perpetrated and that we were deliberately harmed and damaged as a result of another human being’s CHOICES.

The results of a sociopathic entanglement isn’t “accidental.” The carnage was deliberate and malicious, and THAT is what I think I base this need for justice upon.

Thanks for sharing, Dupey – brightest blessings to you! 🙂

Ox Drover

You know, part of the problem in our “church of LoveFraud,” is that there are way too many people in the choir and way too few people who come in to hear our message BEFORE they need it.

The best hope for getting the message out to the “young’uns” is to start educating them when they are pre-teens I think. Before the hormones kick in and they start to lust after someone who is “cute” regardless of what his personal moral compass is.

So I think we need to as parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, start to educate our kids as early as possible. PASS THE WORD!

Truthspeak

OxD, I agree 100%. And, I also feel that the media is compelling youth to gravitate into sociopathy. If it’s not genetic, then it sure as heck is being promoted as a “WIN” to our young people.

If you ask a person between 18 and 38 who the Kardashians are, you’ll get more information that you ever wanted. If you ask the same people who Marie Curie was, they’ll look at you like you’ve turned into an asparagus.

Today’s “heroes” are found on reality shows, in sports arenas, and in tabloids. Contemporary parents need to turn off the televisions, get off their computers and smart-phones, sacrifice the third car and MacMansion, and get down to the JOB of parenting their own offspring.

Okie dokie – rant over! 😀

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