Have you ever watched a “psychopathic interaction” taking place and wished you were able to approach the non-psychopath and offer her (or him) all of the knowledge you already have on the subject? I have.
Even if you are in the initial phases of learning, the fact that you are here indicates that you have an idea of what is occurring. In the interaction I will highlight, the non-psychopath was, sadly, without a clue. At first, I could not believe what I was seeing. Although, retrospectively, I fail to see what made it unbelievable to me, since I had lived it. Nonetheless, the goings on made me uneasy. I knew just enough about the situation to suspect that psychopathy was at play in the relationship, but had never seen both parties interact prior to the incident. My relationship with one of the members of the duo was new and I did not know the other much either, so I did not want to pass judgment or assess a situation with which I was only vaguely familiar. However, I found things all too recognizable. I knew what I was seeing.
The interaction
I knew the non-psychopath in the exchange had no idea what was happening to her, as she reacted to each of his words in a manner that unknowingly escalated things. She was not wrong and her methods would have been successful with someone void of a large number of psychopathic features. The individual in this pair with the history of abuse, infidelity, questionable judgment, and a host of other psychopathic traits, played the non-psychopath like a fiddle. I also recall thinking how the topic seemed inappropriate for the location. Regardless, he persisted. The more irritated and upset she became, the calmer and more in control he was. He had all of the answers and delivered them smoothly. He arrogantly belittled her, but just loud enough for those around to hear, hoping that we would see her “crazy” or unfit. Perhaps others gave pause, but I knew better.
Finally, through tears and a face filled with immense pain, she scooped up her youngest children, now also in tears, and headed for her car. He called out to her as she walked away, asking if she was glad that she had managed to “scare” the little ones. He then shook his head and looked around, feigning embarrassment, but I recognized his satisfaction. A short time later, I overheard him speaking on the phone, in a gentle and loving tone, indicating to whomever was on the other end that the coast was now clear and that it was “safe” for them to meet later at a distant location.
Of course, I thought. He intentionally initiated the fight with his wife in order to find an excuse to leave. Had she not been “yelling” or “screaming,” at him, or “making” the kids cry, he would not have been forced to go. Had she been a better wife or mother, he would be heading home, rather than out. He knew he was setting his unsuspecting, caring, wife up for failure and he did so in such a way that ultimately, even she would blame herself for his departure.
The outcome
As time passed, I heard that the discord within the home escalated and that he is no longer in the picture much. I wanted to reach out to her, but found it hard, being mere acquaintances. I also suspected that she was not yet ready to receive what we either already know or are learning about. While I found that frustrating, I was there once, in the not too distant past, as were probably many of us. Acceptance is a process. However, I did leave information in trusted hands.
In a perfect world
Regardless, I empathize with her and wish she did not have to experience what lies ahead, as I am reasonably certain I know what her immediate future holds. I wish I could move time forward, to a place where her understanding reigns, eliminating the pain. I would like to tell her that her perfect, beautiful self is not flawed and have her believe it. I would like to spare her children the manipulation they will further encounter, whether for a time or for good. I would like to help her march “double time” to the place where she is able to forgive him for her sake, leaving behind the anger and fear that tend to accompany the attacks and aggression.
However, I cannot. In fact, I suppose this process really should not be rushed. I think that taking the time to feel and honor every feeling is important. But it would be nice if we could move it along for those we see suffering as we did. Now that I recognize these psychopathic interactions, I imagine I’ll always feel this way, upon witnessing such events. My hopes for her are eventual success along her journey and success for all of us along ours.
Changed forever,
The advice to get pepper spray or bear spray is good, but I will tell you something almost as good or maybe better and CHEAP is WASP spray, it shoots a STREAM of poison about 20 feet, and it is impossible to spray yourself iin the face There are two kiinds of it, and one shooots a stream and one a mist, get te SPRAY STREAM kind. It is cheap, 4-5 for 2 cans usually and you can keep them high enough your kids can’t get them and CLOSE ENOUGH YOU CAN. Keep one can in every room and one in your car. It may not be a gun, but believe me it is LEGAL (pepper spray is not leegal in all areas) and CHEAP and EFFECTIVE. Believe me if you hit him in the face, he will not be able to come after you. LOCKED DOORS always and sleep in the same room with your kids and have a chair under the knob so even if he gets into your house he still has to come throug another door to get to you. Keep your car keys in your hands at all times, a fanny pack around your waist with cell phone, keys etc. is a good idea as well as a few bucks and a “run bag” with copies of all your important documents, and COPES of those documents at a friend’s house or a lock box somewhere….car title, insurance documents, birth certificates of you and the kids, SS card etc. and CASH, whatever amount you can stash. Keep your car gas tank never below half empty, and full if you can. Get a LOCKING GAS CAP, and check it before you start your engine so if it has been pried off do NOT start your car before you have someone check the tank for sugar or other problem. Also check your exhaust pipe to make sure there is not a potato crammed up there as that will ruin your engine if you start it. They can do all kinds of dirty tricks to hurt us so we need to be AWARE of some of those dirty tricks. Do a complete walk around on your car before you start it or move it, park it inside a locked garage if you can. CAUTION but not TERROR….and I know that’s hard, but most of the time I can accomplish it. When I get iinto the terror mode, I try to bring myself up short and go back to just caution. God bless.
Ox Drover, again…more good, practical advice! I agree with all of your tips! Even now, wherever I go, I usually carry a small box-cutter in my back pocket, everytime I step out of my door, I scan the street. Get to my car, yep…check it out before I get in it. If I’m gone for a while, and if I get home after dark, I check the door to see if it is still locked, once I get in, do a walk-thru to see if things are ok. upon going to bed, yep…knives are placed thru out the house, and under the pillow. I’m still on good term with the spath’s father for now. I’m ok with that, ’cause it helps me to keep tabs on when he has days off from his job. The days he is off, I am extremely on guard! Hell’uva way to live. What makes things even worse is the fact the “devil’s spawn was/is hooked up with this crusty scab that lives across the street from me!!! Soooo, i may have an additional pair of eyes on me! Grrrrrrrr! Unfortunately, when we do get divorced, it will get ugly, I know that. As long as that fiend is alive, I will be looking over-the-shoulder. I hope and pray, ChangedForever gets the help and assistance she so desparately needs! Again, all the advice that has been offered to her here is excellent! I pray a legion of Guardian Angels for her and her Children. <3
OxDrover: ChangedForever’s younger child is only one year old. Nobody can live on high alert for 16 or 17 years, and even if SHE could handle it, it would be a hellish childhood for the children. She needs to move at least 500 miles away. 750 miles would be even better.
Divorced from a gasligter, I TOTALLY AGREE, if you will go back through my posts to her, I have advised her to RUN BAMBI RUN unless it would make her guilty of kidnapping, in which case SHE would be in prison at some point and her kids with the P….I also suggest these things UNTIL SHE CAN RUN, and sometimes people DO have to live on high alert for long periods of time, if you will read the stuff I wrote in my review of the books on being stalked, there have been some stalking cases of SERIOUS stalkers that lasted over 40 years. You do what you have to do. I’ve been stalked now for quite some time and I can TESTIFY it isn’t fun, and I expect to be stalked the rest of my life as long as my son is alive. Whether he is in prison or not, I just have to make myself as safe as possible.
Radar on, I’d also get some of the WASP SPRAY if I were you as well, that’s great stuff! They used to make oven cleaner in a squirt top can (not the spray stuff like hair spray) and it is PURE LYE, will cause almost instant and permanent BLINDNESS if it gets into their eyes, when I lived in the Miami area I carried it in my car as many people had been car jacked in my area, one of the guys who worked for my husband and several nurses I knew…by the time I left there every nurse in the hospital where I worked had a can in her car. LOL They quit making it in that type of can, so I moved over to WASP spray where I can’t legally carry a gun.
Divorced from Gaslighter,
I just wanted to say that I’m so happy you were here to help Changed Forever. Your contributions are noteworthy and maybe they need to be made into an article so people can find them easily. Though some people come here for moral support, most of us need concrete strategies for surviving the spaths and that’s what you provided.
I hope you have the time and energy to submit your ideas to Donna.
Sky, I agree Divorced from Gaslilghter’s suggestions were great!
Thank you, Skylar and Ox Drover for the compliments. I would be gratified to think that my advice made a difference in someone’s life.
Changed Forever — I’ll be out of town for a few days, and I will have only intermittent access to the internet, but it did occur to me that if you find a place to move, one of your local churches might have some sort of “honor fund” to help you get there. I don’t know if most churches still do this, but they used to have money set aside for people whose cars broke down enroute to somewhere else. They would lend people enough to get the car repaired & some food and gas money, and the people were supposed to pay the money back as soon as they could. I think that most of the time, the money was paid back.
Keep us posted on what you decide to do. Obviously, you don’t want to post too much detail, but try to check in every day or two, so that we’ll know that you are OK.
Just checking in to let everyone know that although I have been trying to follow as much advice you wonderful people have given me to the best of my ability, I am not having a great deal of luck. It seems that I am also a victim of being ostracized from most of the community, thanks to the reputation my ex created for me. I’m still doing my best to vanish, but it doesn’t look like I will be able to pull it off before my ex is released with NO parole/probation. If it wasn’t for my two beautiful boys, I would pretty much be giving up. So far all I seem to be encountering harsh criticism, and closed doors. And if I understood the DV shelter here correctly, there is not much they would be willing to do unless/until he puts myself, or my boys in some kind of danger. Thank you all for your advice, words of encouragement, and most of all, prayers!!! Still trying to fight the good fight, even though I seem to be outnumbered in this small community…
Changed, is there any possibilty you can leave that community and run before he gets out?
Changed,
wait a minute, what part of choking you and threatening you does the DV shelter not “get” as danger? He was arrested and imprisoned for it, so obviously the police and the courts saw it as danger. But the DV shelter doesn’t think that there is danger?
I didn’t realize that the slate was wiped clean just because he went to jail. Is there like some kind of rule that says he’s been punished therefore he is reformed?
Go back to the DV shelter and make them see reason.