Last week I posted two articles related to the Vienna Presbyterian Church in Vienna, Virginia. Between 2001 and 2005, as many as a dozen teenage girls may have suffered sexual, emotional and spiritual abuse from a church youth director. This year, the youth director was long gone, but church leaders felt that the wounds had not be properly addressed and healed. So a few months ago, the pastor and church issued a public apology.
Lawyers for the church’s insurance company warned the church not to accept responsibility for the failings of the youth director. Doing so, the insurance company said, would jeopardize the church’s coverage in case a lawsuit was filed.
The Vienna Presbyterian Church ignored the demands of its insurance company. On March 27, Pastor Peter James preached a sermon that acknowledged the church’s failings.
“Let me speak for a moment to our survivors,” he said. “We, as church leaders, were part of the harm in failing to extend the compassion and mercy that you needed. Some of you felt uncared for, neglected and even blamed in this church. I am truly sorry ”¦ I regret the harm this neglect has caused you.”
Guess what—so far, none of the young women has filed a lawsuit.
Why not? The case would be a slam-dunk. The youth director pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor. The church accepted responsibility. Several of the now young women have trouble in relationships, because they are still seeking the fantasy that the youth director promised. If they filed suit, they’d win.
My guess is that the women don’t want money. They want to be heard. They want to be validated. And they want to be healed.
Invisible damage
The problem with sociopathic entanglements is that so much of the damage is invisible. Even in cases where we lose money, jobs, homes, and are subject to physical violence, the big wounds are not readily apparent. Before all those obvious injuries occurred, the sociopaths softened us up with emotional manipulation, psychological control and spiritual abuse. These internal wounds not only eat at us, but they make it difficult for us to respond to, and recover from, the obvious physical damage.
After the sociopath, we need to purge our emotional and mental pain. We need internal stability. But when we reach out for help on this level, many of the people around us simply don’t get it.
They don’t understand why we need to talk so much about what happened. They don’t understand how, when we suspected that we were being used, we allowed it to continue. They don’t understand why we are still confused in our thoughts and emotions about the sociopath.
Get over it, they tell us.
These are the people, of course, who are lucky enough to have avoided a direct assault from a sociopath in their own lives. We often understand why they don’t really understand what happened—after all, we were once as clueless as they are. Still, their ignorance of the depth of our pain seems to increase our pain. We feel like we are not being heard, and our suffering is being invalidated.
Debriefing
Karin Huffer, in her book, the Legal Abuse Syndrome, describes this situation in detail in her chapter on “Debriefing.”
Debriefing, she says, is the first step in recovery. In the debriefing process, we tell someone exactly what happened to us, in all the painful detail. Unfortunately, it’s hard to find what Huffer describes as “quality listeners.” These are people who have the ability to hear what we have to say, overriding their own protective filters. She writes:
Protective filters are always at work. If an individual begins to share with another and the data threatens the listener’s feelings of safety, they may try to divert the data or simply not hear it at all ”¦
The function of this protective filter is to maintain the equilibrium of the listener. Victims’ stories shake the foundations that we lean upon in order to feel safe. When it is impossible for friends or family to hear, due to their protective psychological filters shielding them from vicarious pain, the victim feels rejected and alone.
Huffer goes on to describe a formal debriefing process. It’s best done with a quality listener or support group, but an individual can do it alone if necessary.
Support at Lovefraud
I believe that we have many, many quality listeners on Lovefraud. I am always amazed at the thoughtful, comforting and patient comments posted in response to readers who are spilling their traumatized guts.
The reason Lovefraud readers can do this, of course, is because we’ve all been there. We know what it’s like to be deceived, betrayed and assaulted. We know what it’s like to sit amidst the wreckage of what was once our lives. We’re all on the path to recovery, and those of us who are further along help those of us who are just beginning.
Healing, in the end, is an individual journey. To fully recover, we must consciously excavate and examine our pain, and find a way to let it go. But the process is helped immensely when we are heard and validated. I am so glad that Lovefraud offers this to so many people.
Dear Nolarn, WONDERFUL!!!! Glad that things went well and you got to earn some money! Hope a wonderful new job turns up soon. I’ll say again though, don’t base your happiness on what job you have in the future….or anything else….base it on being YOU and enjoying each and every day just the way it is. (((hugs)))) and God bless!
Oxy-what I’m going now is preparing me for my future and I have to be ready. The place where I am interviewing seems like a great place to work. The commute may be worth it, plus the place where I am working agency is so nice and unspathy that it makes it much nicer to go to work-even when they’re working you over good. It is so pleasant from my last job-friendly people who are glad that I’m there.
Oxy:
Regarding your post above about 85% going back to their abusers. I have a quick story. It’s not about me, but I will try to make it brief. I went to see my pedicurist yesterday and to make a very long story short, she told me that the man who left her six months ago is calling again and wants to get back together. This man stole from her, was verbally abusive to her, etc. After he left she was very suicidal and apparently almost went through with it. As soon as she told me this, I started giving her all the advice I have learned here. I told her that NC is the only way to go, that he will only pull her in again and do this to her again and that if she thought she was suicidal the first time, how was she going to feel if it happened again?? I immediately told her that he wants something from you…that is why he is contacting you again. He drives truck (that SHE bought) for a living and doesn’t even have a place to live right now (I guess he is sleeping in his truck) and I said there you go…he needs somewhere to live! I have absolutely NO doubt in my mind that she will take him back and he is going to con her again. She is not strong right now and she IS going to take him back I can guarantee you that. She is in her 60s and he is in his 50s. She is too old to be going through this. I told her that I realized I ultimately couldn’t tell her what to do. Anyway, I wanted to share that story of just one more person who just can’t stay away; one more person who keeps the entanglement going. She told me that she couldn’t help it; that she was “in love” with this man. Sigh.
Dear eb92044,
Yep, “she can’t help it”—-she has “no choice” she thinks, and therefore because she THINKS THAT then that is what will happen, but YOU ARE SO RIGHT, and you don’t need a crystal ball to see what is going to happen with this relationship….
I think to one extent or another we have all been in this kind of situation, going back and back…whether it is the boy friend, the husband/wife, girl friend, child, parent, friend, etc. no matter what the relation-shit is, we give them another chance and another. It is only when we realize we DO HAVE A CHOICE that we can MAKE THAT CHOICE and change our life.
I’ve seen it over and over and over, and I’ve wanted to “rescue” some of these women, but only they can rescue themselves.
Sometimes here on LF even I feel like John The Baptist “preaching in the wilderness to people who don’t want to hear my message of redemption” because people come here and stay a while, talking about how brutal their Psychopath is and then they GO BACK, or they just “disappear” and we don’t know what happened to them…did they go back? Did they find another one to replace the first psychopath?
Many times people come here newly out of a psychopathic abusive relationship and they quickly find another one thinking that will fix the pain from the first one. It is difficult to convince most of them that the safest thing is to stay by yourself a while and finish the grieving process before you even start to focus on a new relationship. Relationships take energy and time that I think should be focused on ourselves, they are seldom the “answer” to fixing the grief process. I found that information out the HARD WAY MYSELF….I got involved with a P-BF after my husband got killed.
We should never feel guilty about anything. We do the best we can with what we know at the time.
Life is lessons…no mistakes…just learning lessons and solving problems and growing and excelling.
There is no need to “forgive yourself” for anything. We are all human and we have needs and we try to fill them at the time…even if we do something out of desparation…to not be lonely, etc….We are only trying to feel joy and happiness.
So, there is no beating ourselves up and nothing to forgive.
We learn from our experiences and we move on.
For some people, as it has happenned to me in my life,….we go back several times until we are ready to move on.
We are all trying our best to feel joy. Thats all.
Oxy, I love your name. It has “joy” in it…and you help people find “joy” in their lives. Heartfelt thanks for sharing…xo
“We should never feel guilty about anything?” I wholeheartedly disagree with that comment. Ask any of the women on here whose spath husbands were off with OW instead of being home with them. Ask my spaths wife about that and I don’t think she would agree either. I was the OW in that relationship. I had self esteem in the negative numbers due to the sexual assault that I hid and bottled up for 18 years. I didn’t think I deserved any better than a man who was willing to only be with me part time and belonged to someone else. I was a victim of him but I was an equal partner in that wrongdoing because due to my circumstances, I made a very WRONG choice.
The knowledge that I made a wrong choice comes from my relationship with GOD and everything that I was brought up concerning what was right and wrong. It came from the morality that was deeply ingrained in me from the time I was a tiny child and in the spiritual aspect of my life. It is natural and completely appropriate for me to feel guilt over what I did in that relationship-even though I was conned by a narc/spath. I sure won’t apologize for it. It is natural for all of us to want to have “joy and happiness”, but why should I have joy and happiness at the expense of someone else. I don’t believe that’s right-I believe it’s selfish and will go ahead and call myself selfish for doing it.
Based on my spirituality and relationship with GOD, I do have the need to forgive myself. I know that GOD forgave me the first time I asked him to, even though I didn’t feel forgiven, I felt shame. I have guilt because I have a conscience, which is something that my dear spath didn’t have. I am woman enough to stand up and admit that I was selfish and did something that I knew was wrong, and went against my moral compass. I am also woman enough to say HELL yes I have guilt for doing so. I am woman enough to stand up and say that I was sexually assaulted 18 years ago and I hid it and stuffed it down and refused to deal with it, which had a direct bearing on my behavior, my self esteem, my magnetic attraction to spaths, my years of financial misshaps, and my issues with my weight.
I have every right to feel guilty for what I did and I take responsibilty for what I did-you can only blame so much on the spath.
Oxy:
Finally able to address your post regarding my pedicurist. I know…she is so weak right now that she thinks she needs to go back to him; that is all she knows right now. And I am not putting her down…like you said, we have ALL been there at one time or another when we took someone back even if it was a friend and not a boyfriend/girlfriend. I just don’t want to see the aftermath when he does it to her again and he WILL do it to her again. It’s frustrating when I see what she went through and then she’s just going to go back for more. I have also seen it over and over. My best guess about the ones on here who disappear is that they have gone back and are too embarrassed and ashamed to admit it so you just never hear from them again. I don’t know what else to say. I will give updates on this from time to time as I hear them. Thank you.
I read these stories and often times I hear: “I really didn’t want to get involved with him, but I could hear my clock ticking.”
The same thing happened with me. I wanted marriage & family
and I do believe there’s a man shortage so women will settle & get married to produce offspring.
I ran into my distant cousin this week. I remember her wedding and when she got married. I remember she was not too keen on her choice of a husband but she too was in her early 30’s and desperate to start a family. Now 15 years later she’s divorced.
This is the way of the world. In the West there are more women fighting over a tiny pool of available men & that’s why a lot of girls end up with these monsters.
Years ago when people had bigger families women had more of a choice. If people just keep having 2 kid families it’s only going to get worse and women of color & white women have it the worst.
Joanie
eb-I agree with what you said about those who disappear. They probably are too ashamed to admit that they went back.