Last week I posted two articles related to the Vienna Presbyterian Church in Vienna, Virginia. Between 2001 and 2005, as many as a dozen teenage girls may have suffered sexual, emotional and spiritual abuse from a church youth director. This year, the youth director was long gone, but church leaders felt that the wounds had not be properly addressed and healed. So a few months ago, the pastor and church issued a public apology.
Lawyers for the church’s insurance company warned the church not to accept responsibility for the failings of the youth director. Doing so, the insurance company said, would jeopardize the church’s coverage in case a lawsuit was filed.
The Vienna Presbyterian Church ignored the demands of its insurance company. On March 27, Pastor Peter James preached a sermon that acknowledged the church’s failings.
“Let me speak for a moment to our survivors,” he said. “We, as church leaders, were part of the harm in failing to extend the compassion and mercy that you needed. Some of you felt uncared for, neglected and even blamed in this church. I am truly sorry ”¦ I regret the harm this neglect has caused you.”
Guess what—so far, none of the young women has filed a lawsuit.
Why not? The case would be a slam-dunk. The youth director pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor. The church accepted responsibility. Several of the now young women have trouble in relationships, because they are still seeking the fantasy that the youth director promised. If they filed suit, they’d win.
My guess is that the women don’t want money. They want to be heard. They want to be validated. And they want to be healed.
Invisible damage
The problem with sociopathic entanglements is that so much of the damage is invisible. Even in cases where we lose money, jobs, homes, and are subject to physical violence, the big wounds are not readily apparent. Before all those obvious injuries occurred, the sociopaths softened us up with emotional manipulation, psychological control and spiritual abuse. These internal wounds not only eat at us, but they make it difficult for us to respond to, and recover from, the obvious physical damage.
After the sociopath, we need to purge our emotional and mental pain. We need internal stability. But when we reach out for help on this level, many of the people around us simply don’t get it.
They don’t understand why we need to talk so much about what happened. They don’t understand how, when we suspected that we were being used, we allowed it to continue. They don’t understand why we are still confused in our thoughts and emotions about the sociopath.
Get over it, they tell us.
These are the people, of course, who are lucky enough to have avoided a direct assault from a sociopath in their own lives. We often understand why they don’t really understand what happened—after all, we were once as clueless as they are. Still, their ignorance of the depth of our pain seems to increase our pain. We feel like we are not being heard, and our suffering is being invalidated.
Debriefing
Karin Huffer, in her book, the Legal Abuse Syndrome, describes this situation in detail in her chapter on “Debriefing.”
Debriefing, she says, is the first step in recovery. In the debriefing process, we tell someone exactly what happened to us, in all the painful detail. Unfortunately, it’s hard to find what Huffer describes as “quality listeners.” These are people who have the ability to hear what we have to say, overriding their own protective filters. She writes:
Protective filters are always at work. If an individual begins to share with another and the data threatens the listener’s feelings of safety, they may try to divert the data or simply not hear it at all ”¦
The function of this protective filter is to maintain the equilibrium of the listener. Victims’ stories shake the foundations that we lean upon in order to feel safe. When it is impossible for friends or family to hear, due to their protective psychological filters shielding them from vicarious pain, the victim feels rejected and alone.
Huffer goes on to describe a formal debriefing process. It’s best done with a quality listener or support group, but an individual can do it alone if necessary.
Support at Lovefraud
I believe that we have many, many quality listeners on Lovefraud. I am always amazed at the thoughtful, comforting and patient comments posted in response to readers who are spilling their traumatized guts.
The reason Lovefraud readers can do this, of course, is because we’ve all been there. We know what it’s like to be deceived, betrayed and assaulted. We know what it’s like to sit amidst the wreckage of what was once our lives. We’re all on the path to recovery, and those of us who are further along help those of us who are just beginning.
Healing, in the end, is an individual journey. To fully recover, we must consciously excavate and examine our pain, and find a way to let it go. But the process is helped immensely when we are heard and validated. I am so glad that Lovefraud offers this to so many people.
new winter – my two cents for what they are worth: stay AWAY from this guy. Your spath’s ex? Are you kidding me? that’s WAY too close to the spath. I understand how gay culture works (intimately), and this really seems like a bad idea to me.
New Winter,
I disagree with everyone – as long as your P-dar is ready.
Look, Shania Twain was betrayed by her best friend, who stole her husband. Then she met her frienemies, husband who was abandoned by the frienemy in order to steal Shania’s husband. And Shania is now in love and happily married to a much better person.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1386119/Shania-Twain-moment-confronted-best-friend-stole-husband.html
I, also, am now with an old friend of my spath’s, whom I met 25 years ago, but my spath kept us in separate compartments. And there are many, really good people, that my spath conned, who I could be friends with if I made the effort.
The point is, spaths have a radar for the good and the bad. It’s much more finally tuned than ours is. We are lucky to meet the ones they leave devastated in their wake.
sky – what bothers me about new winter’s post (sorry for talking about you as if you aren’t ‘in the room’ new winter) is his appeal to be seen in his own right. this suggested to me that new winter has been rebuffed because the spath smeared him. i just don’t think it is a good idea to ‘ask’ to be accepted or given a chance, by anyone, especially another dupe of one’s spath – we never know how close they may still be.
One Joy and New Winter,
true, that the approach must be tailored to the situation. A demand to be given a chance sounds like you’re giving up your power. It is YOU who must decide if the dupe is worthy of you. It MUST always be this way because it can’t work any other way.
The approach I took with my BF, is to accost him and accuse him of already knowing that my spath was a spath. He had to defend himself until I believed it. Poor guy, it just so happened I ran into him at a store where he was applying for credit, and he was embarrassed by my outburst.. oh well.
🙂
Thanks everyone for your thoughts on this! I’m really not worried about whether or not he sees me as a good person, but unfortunately I have no other way of having him think I’m not crazy. I know he went back under the comfy umbrella of the spath, and I’m sure it would give him a rush to report me to him. I’m not sure how else to gain his trust in order to have a normal, non-spath conversation with him. It’s just after reading his profile, he seems like such a sweet, nice, genuine, selfless guy. Sex doesn’t matter to him, and neither does attention. He just seems like a broken, hopeless romantic like me.
I do agree that sending the message seems desperate, almost trying to convince him to be on my side. But I can’t think of any other way that he would even trust me enough to talk to me
No idea what to do here
new winter:
Just tossing my two cents in…I feel that contacting this person with a positive result would be such a long shot. I worry that it has a much greater potential to hurt you further. It seems to me that even if the two of you hit it off and tried to continue as friends or more, your mutual ex would always be the vindictive ghost between you, directly or indirectly, to destroy the relationship. I guess it worked for Shania, but I can’t imagine it would be successful in most cases. I think the very most that would be accomplished would be an opportunity for the two of you to commiserate about your ex.
imust,
That is the best thing about my BF, who had known my spath for 20 years. I have not been able to get past what I learned about spaths and it’s been two years. BF actually put up with my talking about the ex for 1 of those years. He did say, at the beginning, that a relationship built on shared trauma, could be doomed, but he listened and helped ALOT.
I was gone from LF for that first year, then he started to rebel against hearing anymore about my ex, so I stopped and came back here.
Talking about it is absolutely necessary, because there is so much to learn and more things to take out of the WTF? bucket and put away into their proper positions in the brain. If your SO, can help you with that, then all the better, IMO.
Still, I agree that a person needs to feel safe. There are so many spaths out there pretending to be good, kind etc…
You have to be able to see the red flags.
Hi mustache and skylar 🙂 I know exactly what you mean. It would always be this big elephant in the room, wondering if the other is thinking about him. Like I said, I know I’m over him. But I don’t think the ex really is.
During our relationship (the day after he took my virginity), the spath lured the ex back in to make me jealous. Of course it worked. It was my first relationship. I had no idea why they were talking every day, after the horrible sh*t he had told me about him when we first met. I used to be “perfect and flawless and amazing”. Why did he need the ex now? His excuse was that the ex was at a really low point in life and he was helping him. What a good, caring man! *vomit*
Unfortunately, during that time, they seem to have bonded and the spath regained control/attention from the ex.
So I know no matter what I send will be reported back to the spath. But like I said, I don’t care what the spath thinks or if it feeds his ego. I just want to get something in there that catches the spath in his lies about the ex — (crazy alcoholic whore? just like me? hmm… coincidence? or pattern). Something to make him think twice about his allegiance to the spath
AHHHH! Just typed a whole post and then got bumped off the site/computer shut it down/idk. Reconstructing:
Skylar:
What a blessing it must be to have a relationship with such an understanding person! I haven’t had a significant relationship since my divorce five years ago. I’m not sure I could handle it yet, as I still freak out anytime someone even raises their voice to me. Your story causes me to hope that I could meet someone understanding enough to hang in there while I learn to trust them.
new winter:
I hear what you’re saying about wanting to confirm your ex’s lies. Just be careful and know that it may not turn out the way you hope. I just worry that you could be hurt further by the results. Maybe not; maybe it will be a postive experience. For me, when I have had some type of contact with one of my ex’s women (I was married to him for 11 1/2 years, but he always had a secret harem of women), it has not turned out positively. He still maintains control of them somehow. There is a woman who was his gf in highschool (we’re in our early 40’s) who had a baby with him. He conned her to raise the child without him, never outing him as he denied being the father and concocted a false story about a ficticious “real father of the child”, never receiving one cent in child support. They still go out occasionally. Another woman went to my older daughter to get her hair done, not knowing who she was. This woman starting talking about my ex, what a great guy he was and how he helped save her from her abusive ex. My daughter said, “That’s just great that he was protecting you from being abused at the very same time he was abusing my mom.” Well, she lost that customer. lol!
I’m just cautioning you to realize that it may or may not have the result you desire. And if it has a negative result, will you be okay with that? If you proceed, do so very carefully!
SKYLAR
I get it – talking to the BF about the X. I’ve talked to my former husband about my spath too, ad naseum. I’ve cried, pounded my pillow, screamed in pain, been angry, been sad, been so depressed and he was awesome about it. But he has his limits too.
I realized today how negative and DOWN I feel when I think about my spath. It is not a happy thought. I realize I am recovering from ABUSE. Just this big black cloud that is oppressing me – when I allow that to happen. How I didn’t see it when I was in the middle of it is beyond me.
SK