Last week I posted two articles related to the Vienna Presbyterian Church in Vienna, Virginia. Between 2001 and 2005, as many as a dozen teenage girls may have suffered sexual, emotional and spiritual abuse from a church youth director. This year, the youth director was long gone, but church leaders felt that the wounds had not be properly addressed and healed. So a few months ago, the pastor and church issued a public apology.
Lawyers for the church’s insurance company warned the church not to accept responsibility for the failings of the youth director. Doing so, the insurance company said, would jeopardize the church’s coverage in case a lawsuit was filed.
The Vienna Presbyterian Church ignored the demands of its insurance company. On March 27, Pastor Peter James preached a sermon that acknowledged the church’s failings.
“Let me speak for a moment to our survivors,” he said. “We, as church leaders, were part of the harm in failing to extend the compassion and mercy that you needed. Some of you felt uncared for, neglected and even blamed in this church. I am truly sorry ”¦ I regret the harm this neglect has caused you.”
Guess what—so far, none of the young women has filed a lawsuit.
Why not? The case would be a slam-dunk. The youth director pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor. The church accepted responsibility. Several of the now young women have trouble in relationships, because they are still seeking the fantasy that the youth director promised. If they filed suit, they’d win.
My guess is that the women don’t want money. They want to be heard. They want to be validated. And they want to be healed.
Invisible damage
The problem with sociopathic entanglements is that so much of the damage is invisible. Even in cases where we lose money, jobs, homes, and are subject to physical violence, the big wounds are not readily apparent. Before all those obvious injuries occurred, the sociopaths softened us up with emotional manipulation, psychological control and spiritual abuse. These internal wounds not only eat at us, but they make it difficult for us to respond to, and recover from, the obvious physical damage.
After the sociopath, we need to purge our emotional and mental pain. We need internal stability. But when we reach out for help on this level, many of the people around us simply don’t get it.
They don’t understand why we need to talk so much about what happened. They don’t understand how, when we suspected that we were being used, we allowed it to continue. They don’t understand why we are still confused in our thoughts and emotions about the sociopath.
Get over it, they tell us.
These are the people, of course, who are lucky enough to have avoided a direct assault from a sociopath in their own lives. We often understand why they don’t really understand what happened—after all, we were once as clueless as they are. Still, their ignorance of the depth of our pain seems to increase our pain. We feel like we are not being heard, and our suffering is being invalidated.
Debriefing
Karin Huffer, in her book, the Legal Abuse Syndrome, describes this situation in detail in her chapter on “Debriefing.”
Debriefing, she says, is the first step in recovery. In the debriefing process, we tell someone exactly what happened to us, in all the painful detail. Unfortunately, it’s hard to find what Huffer describes as “quality listeners.” These are people who have the ability to hear what we have to say, overriding their own protective filters. She writes:
Protective filters are always at work. If an individual begins to share with another and the data threatens the listener’s feelings of safety, they may try to divert the data or simply not hear it at all ”¦
The function of this protective filter is to maintain the equilibrium of the listener. Victims’ stories shake the foundations that we lean upon in order to feel safe. When it is impossible for friends or family to hear, due to their protective psychological filters shielding them from vicarious pain, the victim feels rejected and alone.
Huffer goes on to describe a formal debriefing process. It’s best done with a quality listener or support group, but an individual can do it alone if necessary.
Support at Lovefraud
I believe that we have many, many quality listeners on Lovefraud. I am always amazed at the thoughtful, comforting and patient comments posted in response to readers who are spilling their traumatized guts.
The reason Lovefraud readers can do this, of course, is because we’ve all been there. We know what it’s like to be deceived, betrayed and assaulted. We know what it’s like to sit amidst the wreckage of what was once our lives. We’re all on the path to recovery, and those of us who are further along help those of us who are just beginning.
Healing, in the end, is an individual journey. To fully recover, we must consciously excavate and examine our pain, and find a way to let it go. But the process is helped immensely when we are heard and validated. I am so glad that Lovefraud offers this to so many people.
Bella,
I think people run or avoid b/c to acknowledge means they’d have to act on their knowledge. And if they don’t have “skin in the game” then bowing out is their best strategy for them, and in the same situation, I can’t blame them. It’s not right. But I understand BECAUSE they probably DO BELIEVE YOU, they just don’t want to be trapped themselves.
That doesn’t excuse those who HELP these guys abuse thought, does it? THOSE who help have HUGE issues themselves.
I’d say if your kids were raised in it, and sounds like they were, then like my daughter, how can you blame them. They see a victory side and an abused side. Why would a vulnerable kid choose to be a target of the spath abuse?
You do have a real problem b/c you have had mult partners and have not protected yourself with any of them. ONce someone takes your self responsibility from you the first time, then on the next relationship, it’s good to establish healthy strong boundries part of which includes making wise choices. I am betting this was a legacy of your childhood, it certainly was a legacy of mine. I was so desperate to prove I could marry well that I listened to my husbands words and didn’t give enough credit to what I knew. I tried to make a dream come true and instead, I jsut became controlling, tried to control the abuse, control what was done to me, etc. I should have STOPPED the abuse by leaving FAR sooner than I did. I kept trying to fix what I was NOT BREAKING. How’s that for crazy?!
You are right, what was done to you was wrong each time it happened and for each relationship it happened in. But being right doesn’t DO a DA^% thing for ya. You need more.
Can’t say it enough, you need way more than this website. You need professional help with a councelor who specializes in emotional trauma. Don’t do this alone. Maybe Donna can help you or I understand that some of the counselors listed as authors also offer help. By starting with a support system, someone professional who can be there for you and empower you, then move on to doing what needs to be done. Your kids may be lost. Mine is. BUt you don’t know that yet. One thing at a time. Okay?
All my best
Katy
Oxy,
You keep advocating to validate ourselves. Wise words. And I can do it a little but not enough. Can you expand on that? Explain how to do it enough so that these feelings that engulf me go away. All I can think is how I worked so hard in life and my reward is rejection. Makes a body just not want to try anymore.
When I had my daughter I was not married. Co workers begged me to give her up for adoption, one said that If I kept her, I would ruin her. Those words haunt me b/c they turned out to be true. I did make a deposit on a puppy and then cancelled it. I just couldn’t face the possibility of ruining a puppy too. I think that would have pushed me over the edge. At the same time, I am so alone and a doggie companion would have been so nice….
Katy
superkid: I have read your post where your awareness just took flight and I am so happy for you! This is the beginning of peace in your life. xxoo
You are absolutely 100% correct you are a beautiful, intelligent, loving and caring woman and you were abused. If not financially and physically, emotionally.
It is difficult to get over something like this especially when there are no answers. The answers are the ones we scratch out for ourselves and it’s not easy sometimes finding them. But they are there: deep inside you.
The relationship wasn’t about “US” it was all about “THEM” and we were good little worker bees and we loved unconditionally and cared, thinking that true friends respect and honor and appreciate our sacrifice for them but spaths don’t. They have no clue what it is we are saying. Not one clue. To them it’s either ‘trite’, pathetic, mumbo-jumbo; lame – that is what I used to hear all the time, about being kind and virtuous in this life, that it was “lame”.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha: lame is evilness and inappropriateness and disrespect and vileness.
I am happy you have found the ‘light’ superkid…
don’t let go of it, it will keep you company on the days ahead. Move forward; grow; flourish and stay away from spaths. mwahhhhhhhhhhhH!!!!!!! xxoo
Love and blessings,
DUPED
Dear Ox Dover…. thank you. I can walk so many days doing just that, to the best of my ability. I keep myself so busy that I cannot dwell on it, even though it is always there. But then there are the triggers…. today I heard of a person who was a VERY difficult person and always had it out for me who has now “reached out to my first husband, as she has heard all that HE HAS GONE THROUGH….and invites him for dinner with her family etc so he is not alone, and feels so sory for what HE has gone through…..” while my phone has not wrung in over a year. That’s this Church for you. ….. The only reason she could even have heard is through gossip……. and it just makes me shake my head as to how this has ALL been turned around on to me.
It breaks my heart, and it is so surreal to live “INVISIBLE”!!!! I feel like I died, and no one even bothered to mourn me or show up for the funeral. That is the truth. I feel like I am here……but I have nothing to show for my life. Like I lived, but all that is gone…and now I am alone, and no one even sees or cares that I am alive. honestly there was a time when people would ask to be my friend, as I had so many. Now, If I got cancer tomorrow there would be no one, at my funeral except the 17 year old son who lives with me. I can understand if I were a truly EVIL person but my heart would not hurt anyone or anything intentionally……. it all hurts so much.
I know I am beginning to medicate in ways that have never been a problem for me ( food, alcohol when I have never drank) etc. but it is toooo painful. Picture the most perfect Mother-daughter relationships….and then picture it smashed with glass all over. I am trying, really trying to build a life…..but my 5 year old grand-daughter and I were SOOOO close. what do they tell her? One day I saw her everyday and now I have not laid eyes on her in over a year!! My life was my family and my GOD and I feel betrayed by both.
Thank you for listening. You don’t have to respond….It just helps to get it out there, as I have kept it all in for so long,and more and more I am weeping so deeply.
I will try to do as you and others advise. Thanks.
….I have been doing good…..just bad day of triggers…… I do not post often, as sharing my feelings has been used against me by “him”. In fact everything he says ABOUT me is him( evil, destructive, etc) and what I am more of, he thinks he is ( i.e. caring, sympathetic,empathetic, loving, nurturing, etc…) so I read and learn by all of you more than share. Thanks for reading my long posts…… and sorry for them. There are no answers really, Just hopefully new found strength and wisdom and courage to get up tomorrow. Right now what is up is said to be down…and what is down is up. Or, what is evil is good…and what is good is being called evil. That will make you crazy if you arn’t already! Nite all.
Bella…
You cannot recover from this alone. There is a relational injury “rehab” in Florida, run by the woman who wrote” Women Who Love Psychopaths”. I would suggest that you contact them, via internet. I was very close to going there. Had I not had my children, I would have.
What happens when we get hurt from a r/s with a sociopath, it that “early” feelings from childhood get triggered. And it compounds and feels so painful, because we are feeling old feelings and the recent painful feelings. Its overwhelming.
We cannot recover alone. We need help. I know…I was there.
Without my therapist and support group, I would not be able to live on and take care of myself and my children. I was a mess. I had to face the music and figure out, finally, in my life, why I allowed so many men and people to use me and abuse me….and then REBUILD myself. I had to reroute my neurons in my brain…..which was wired for abuse.
And, I did it. I did it for my children. I knew I had to survive so that my children could thrive. It took me a long time…and I’m still rebuilding. I work on myself everyday….physically, mentally and spiritually.
The most important thing that helped me was to realize that it was NOT my fault. I wasn’t ‘stupid’. I was “trauma bonded” from my abusive childhood.
And now…I am strong. I am wiser…I am educated about “toxic” people…..and I choose to be alone rather than with people who are messed up in any way.
“This too shall pass”, Bella. But, you need to take care of YOU now and get help. You will only be alone if you choose to. But, right now, you need support and help. We aren’t supposed to go through this stuff alone.
I thank God for this site..it saved and changed my life.
But, I needed to seek professional help or I would have not been able to overcome the tragic childhood that I had that left me emotionally messed up.
Noone can hurt me now. I have ME and I understand ME now and I finally feel worthy of being truly loved and adored and I won’t settle for less.
My two dogs and two cats and my guinea pig ….and my children….bring me peace and love.
Please get professional help and keep posting here…
There IS light at the end of the tunnel…I am proof.
Dear Bella,
Sugar you have your 17 year old son that lives with you, so you are NOT alone. I also have a son who lives with me (most of the year when he is not away working for Boy Scouts) and I am so glad I have him. I know that feeling that we are like Job and have “lost everything” But Bella the Bible says that God will not load us down with more than we can carry, he either lightens the load or increases our strength to carry it.
I say again, don’t let the “triggers” control you…..so what if this woman is delusional? So what if your abusive X husband has a different dinner invitation every night? YOU KNOW what he is, God knows what he is…Bella even Jesus was criticized and every friend he had deserted him in his hour of most pain. He was betrayed by one of his special 12 so HE KNOWS how we feel when those we love betray us.
Hang in there, Bella and start counting your blessings…..it helped me to count mine. If you have been in mission field yyou have probably seen some horrible poverty. Start by counting the blessing of having enough clean water to drink, a place to lay your head, a roof, your 17 year old son, enough to eat, and a reasonable amount of health, so many people don’t have those things. I know it is difficult not to focus on your losses, but it is also IMPORTANT to focus on the things you DO HAVE, not on what you have “lost.”
When you think about what you have lost….you have lost PSYCHOPATHS. And to me, that’s a Plus. As for your children turning their backs on you, I know that hurts, but that is not something in your control and we have to let go of the things we cannot control. I know it is hard, I don’t try to tell you it is easy, but it WILL get better. You are in my prayers. (((hugs))))
Oxy,
I read your words where you replied on another post. (crossover wisdom!). I just have to determine to be happy.
I think I’m just processing b/c I am in the stage of “is she really doing this? I can’t believe it! yes, she really is.” Sort of denial with acceptance and bargaining with myself hoping to be wrong and knowing in my gut I am not.
When I got healthier and more assertive about holding her accountable for her behavior, instead of remorse or apology for being a jerk, her mask slipped off and she could not contain her contempt. I know that just like my husband, once they reveal themselves they only get worse. She lies, and teenage lies have been told so often they are now her reality.
So guess that’s how I’ll validate myself, by telling myself the truth. That I am NOT what my husband defined me to be (in order to manipulate people into helping him abuse me.) and I am NOT what my daughter defines me to be (a creature much like what my husband defined). The FACTS don’t support their definition, for anyone who wants to look at the FACTS, and for those who don’t, well, they aren’t part of my inner circle are they.
Good night. God Bless.
Katy
Bella,
the way you describe what has happened to you, has given me an idea: it was planned by him.
I know that you know he planned to turn everyone against you. And that he slandered you. Those are obvious, but that’s not what I’m talking about at all. He PLANNED the way you feel today. He planned for you to take solace in food and alcohol. He planned for you to feel as though you are dead and nobody came to your funeral. This IS how spaths think. They are stuck in drama and they want to slime us with it too.
The key is to REALIZE that it was his plan and to UNDERSTAND that you have a choice to REFUSE to feel this way. KNOW IT IS A CON. IT IS A SET UP. Everyone of your friends and family members has been used as a pawn in this con game. Do not participate. Remove yourself from the lies, let them wallow in them, you don’t have to. Don’t respond the way he expects. Surprise him by living in reality instead of living in his lies.
How do I know? Because my spath was planning the same with me. I’ll explain.
First you should know that he had a girlfriend 30 plus years ago who commited suicide. Terry was a metermaid and his gf. He told me that one day, an intruder broke into her apartment while they were sleeping. He had a mask on and he was slashing at them with a pizza cutter that had been welded solid so that it didn’t turn. He chased them all over the apartment, slashing at everything, then fled out the window. Who the fuck does that? Who would notice that the slashing weapon was a pizza cutter that was welded if they are running all over the place trying to get away? BTW, my spath was a welder… I would laugh except that he drove this woman to suicide after about a year. Sooo anyway…
My spath made me wish I was dead, but I didn’t realize for most of the time, that it was him doing it. He sabotaged everything. My car, my finances, my relationships, all my efforts, the home. And I didn’t know it was him doing it. Then he put several of his spath friends into the homes around my neighborhood. It seems unbelievable but remember, he took 25 years to do all this. That’s plenty of time if you’re focused enough. He told everyone that I was addicted to booze and sleeping pills, including my pharmacist. He told everyone that I was going to commit suicide. When I didn’t, he started to steal my sleeping pills, one at a time, each month.
From his previous relationshit I gathered that he was very likely to set up another “slasher event” this time with me as the slashee. I was probably meant to run through the streets banging on doors for help to no avail, the neighbors wouldn’t answer. Who knows what he had planned? some kind of booby trap, where I fall and split my head open or run into traffic, trying to get away from the slasher? He had the cops all set up to harrass me so I know they wouldn’t help me. Can you imagine how I would feel at that point, if I didn’t know who was behind it all?
You and I can sit here and feel like life is unfair and wallow iin our despair, the way our spaths would like. Or we can acknowledge that our spaths are just spaths and they are not so unusual. You read the papers every day and see how many people are driven to suicide by bullies who recruit mobs of people to harrass a victim. IT HAPPENS EVERYDAY. BUT IT CAN’T HAPPEN IF YOU DON’T PARTICIPATE. Let the bullies and his minions do what they do. See how pathetic they are.
Don’t give them any emotion, it just feeds them. It’s what they want. YOU have the power to control your emotions, not him. Go on with your life, find new, better people. Thank the spath for exposing the bad people in your life – those who can’t be loyal to you and are easily duped. You don’t need him or them.
wow: heavy, skylar-you said:
You and I can sit here and feel like life is unfair and wallow iin our despair, the way our spaths would like. Or we can acknowledge that our spaths are just spaths and they are not so unusual. You read the papers every day and see how many people are driven to suicide by bullies who recruit mobs of people to harrass a victim. IT HAPPENS EVERYDAY. BUT IT CAN’T HAPPEN IF YOU DON’T PARTICIPATE. Let the bullies and his minions do what they do. See how pathetic they are.
Don’t give them any emotion, it just feeds them. It’s what they want. YOU have the power to control your emotions, not him. Go on with your life, find new, better people. Thank the spath for exposing the bad people in your life ”“ those who can’t be loyal to you and are easily duped. You don’t need him or them.
So right on. Like my spath stalking me, sending me invitations to chat and emails and texts…he doesn’t know I am receiving them because I told him I deleted him months ago. I never respond. I just copy and paste into my file. Blow it off like an itch on my butt. Like the itch on my butt it truly is. Like shewing a fly away.
Right: it can’t happen unless you participate.
I told him I was through participating. It was over.
I have learned from my x sp that he would purposely try triggering a violent or angry reaction from me. Yet, when he would receive the end result of that, he would become violent and it would escalate to extreme mental and emotional abuse. And for someone in a fraile medical condition, as I have been, all along, it has been very ‘intentional’. But, they can’t do it if you don’t participate. That is exactly the point.
When you establish a NC with your x sp, I would highly reccommend doing so legally and not threatening about it, JUST DO IT. Have him served and be over and done with it. They are not going to change no matter how much you loved them. Don’t remember the nice times; those were all LIES trying to ensnare you – don’t let them destroy you even after they are gone.
THEY JUST ARE NOT WORTH IT.
They would throw you under a train in a minute, to save themselves. Everything you are remembering…it was all a lie. They will say you are crazy and try turning it back around on you but I never lose my way back home. And, neither do you because WE ARE AT LEAST LOOKING FOR THE ANSWERS….spaths do not care enough to look for them. They are happy being the way they are and that is THEIR CHOICE. We can’t make them change.
It is time to close the door on the misery and move along with your own life. Sure, it hurts that the care and affections we gave were only used and thrown in the garbage. We will survive and grow. They will not. Their evilness will be with them until their last breath in this world and not once will they feel regret for anything they have done. They feel ‘entitled’. Well, so are we.
Thanks skylar for the post. I still can’t help but wonder if perhaps we are all talking about the same person. hahahahahahahahahaha
Peace & smiles,
DUPED