Last week I posted two articles related to the Vienna Presbyterian Church in Vienna, Virginia. Between 2001 and 2005, as many as a dozen teenage girls may have suffered sexual, emotional and spiritual abuse from a church youth director. This year, the youth director was long gone, but church leaders felt that the wounds had not be properly addressed and healed. So a few months ago, the pastor and church issued a public apology.
Lawyers for the church’s insurance company warned the church not to accept responsibility for the failings of the youth director. Doing so, the insurance company said, would jeopardize the church’s coverage in case a lawsuit was filed.
The Vienna Presbyterian Church ignored the demands of its insurance company. On March 27, Pastor Peter James preached a sermon that acknowledged the church’s failings.
“Let me speak for a moment to our survivors,” he said. “We, as church leaders, were part of the harm in failing to extend the compassion and mercy that you needed. Some of you felt uncared for, neglected and even blamed in this church. I am truly sorry ”¦ I regret the harm this neglect has caused you.”
Guess what—so far, none of the young women has filed a lawsuit.
Why not? The case would be a slam-dunk. The youth director pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor. The church accepted responsibility. Several of the now young women have trouble in relationships, because they are still seeking the fantasy that the youth director promised. If they filed suit, they’d win.
My guess is that the women don’t want money. They want to be heard. They want to be validated. And they want to be healed.
Invisible damage
The problem with sociopathic entanglements is that so much of the damage is invisible. Even in cases where we lose money, jobs, homes, and are subject to physical violence, the big wounds are not readily apparent. Before all those obvious injuries occurred, the sociopaths softened us up with emotional manipulation, psychological control and spiritual abuse. These internal wounds not only eat at us, but they make it difficult for us to respond to, and recover from, the obvious physical damage.
After the sociopath, we need to purge our emotional and mental pain. We need internal stability. But when we reach out for help on this level, many of the people around us simply don’t get it.
They don’t understand why we need to talk so much about what happened. They don’t understand how, when we suspected that we were being used, we allowed it to continue. They don’t understand why we are still confused in our thoughts and emotions about the sociopath.
Get over it, they tell us.
These are the people, of course, who are lucky enough to have avoided a direct assault from a sociopath in their own lives. We often understand why they don’t really understand what happened—after all, we were once as clueless as they are. Still, their ignorance of the depth of our pain seems to increase our pain. We feel like we are not being heard, and our suffering is being invalidated.
Debriefing
Karin Huffer, in her book, the Legal Abuse Syndrome, describes this situation in detail in her chapter on “Debriefing.”
Debriefing, she says, is the first step in recovery. In the debriefing process, we tell someone exactly what happened to us, in all the painful detail. Unfortunately, it’s hard to find what Huffer describes as “quality listeners.” These are people who have the ability to hear what we have to say, overriding their own protective filters. She writes:
Protective filters are always at work. If an individual begins to share with another and the data threatens the listener’s feelings of safety, they may try to divert the data or simply not hear it at all ”¦
The function of this protective filter is to maintain the equilibrium of the listener. Victims’ stories shake the foundations that we lean upon in order to feel safe. When it is impossible for friends or family to hear, due to their protective psychological filters shielding them from vicarious pain, the victim feels rejected and alone.
Huffer goes on to describe a formal debriefing process. It’s best done with a quality listener or support group, but an individual can do it alone if necessary.
Support at Lovefraud
I believe that we have many, many quality listeners on Lovefraud. I am always amazed at the thoughtful, comforting and patient comments posted in response to readers who are spilling their traumatized guts.
The reason Lovefraud readers can do this, of course, is because we’ve all been there. We know what it’s like to be deceived, betrayed and assaulted. We know what it’s like to sit amidst the wreckage of what was once our lives. We’re all on the path to recovery, and those of us who are further along help those of us who are just beginning.
Healing, in the end, is an individual journey. To fully recover, we must consciously excavate and examine our pain, and find a way to let it go. But the process is helped immensely when we are heard and validated. I am so glad that Lovefraud offers this to so many people.
Katy,
You’ve changed a bit. I’m sorry if I’ve not read all your posts as I’ve not been able to keep up with everyone all the time, and I’m sure I’m missing pieces to catching stories along the way, but I did read some about your daughter. I’m sorry that’s happening to you. I really can’t say what I see as your changes, but they aren’t necessarily negative feed that come through your type.
Having said that, I totally agree with what you’ve said above insofar as people being so shallow. This is why I feel almost certain that it’s better to live as simply and as low profile as you can possibly live, and that’s said given how much i wanted to reach out to others. Perhaps my perspectives will change, but right now, that’s where it’s at.
I was watching this program the other night on CNN called Dr. Drew and he had lined up these “therapist” who were analyzing the Casey Anthony case. I was AMAZED at how the label of sociopath/psychopath was COMPLETELY avoided and replaced with much “softer” terms like “selfish” and “Self absorbed”. Even as he HINTED about a personality disorder, actually, it was one of the panelists, he said, “Yes, she probably had some sort of multiple personality disorder” WTF????? I kept yelling at the tv, “COME ON JUST SAY IT, SAY IT SAY IT PSYCHOPATH SOCIOPATH SAY IT!”
Nope.
What an idiot. If there was a perfect time to bring up the topic for open discussion and education, it is through this trial.
Everyone tip toes around the tulips about this issue and it’s sickening to me. It seems to me a world wide spath take over and as sky would say, we’re all the “sheeple” expected to follow.
Katy, I don’t know about you, but I really feel my whole belief and faith system is being tested, not only because of the circumstances I found myself in with my ex spath, but the perspectives of the world that only PERPETUATE AND MAKE OKAY his behavior.
It is perplexing and frustrating as hell. It’s a long uphill climb to help anyone understand this disorder. Trying to keep a healthy perspective, with nothing but shallowness around, makes it very difficult to maintain.
I agree with you about the church in this way. I was born and raised Catholic. I don’t feel that Catholicism is anymore a spath feeding ground than any other affiliation, but a certain spath that is well hidden in the church and every pedophile on the planet knows it and it’s safe haven.
I would really like to know what the hell is going on in this world anymore.
Although, just to throw another nugget in, as if no one else already knows this, the more technology advanced we get the more society is fueled with their narcissism and psychopathy.
Great post Katy.
LL
((((( bella ))))
I so understand that anger! Ask Oxy. When I was seeking counseling, and finally found someone that understood spaths, having read the books and such (because I asked if he had), my first few sessions were in debated discussions about spaths LOL! I was offensive and super angry!!! Not only did no one understand, nor believe whom I’d been dealing with, i also had the added burden of being an OW in the situation for longer than is embarrassing to reveal (ten years in case your curious LOL). Anyway, I was super pissed the first few months. I had to keep all of that in. Then I found my dv support group, on top of LF here to vent, and then I lost another therapist and found another…she sorta gets it, but not to where I wish she did. but she helps me in other ways, so I’m sticking around to see how it plays out. I also have two friends that have worked very hard ON A DAILY BASIS to deprogram my thinking and listen to me go on and on for HOURS at a time. THEY are my life savers! God brought them to me through LF. I’m feeling very blessed to have found this site.
You will find all that you need, but it will take time. It’s also okay to be angry! You have LOTS of reasons to be angry. I think you’ll find too that after awhile, your spath will eventually give himself enough rope to hang himself, as with the spath Pastor. But i think what is most important is that you reach a place where you can validate yourself and walk with your head up high, with DIGNITY because you did NOTHING wrong. You got involved with a spath. that was the ONLY mistake you made and now you will learn and you’ll be in a place NOT to repeat it!
I understand that it’s hard. Truthfully, I thought about going to the Institute as well for one of their “retreats”. Ultimately, I didn’t go and realized that it was important to seek out services near or around me where validation on a constant basis as well as support would be more valuable to me.
For all that you’ve been through, even just going through the motions is so much better than a lot of us here who were bedridden and completely ill in the aftermath. you’re stronger than you know 🙂
LL
Dear Bella,
Sandra Brown, MA is NOT a licensed therapist and I am sure that she walks a fine line between charging big bucks for her “retreats” and her “on the phone” “life coaching” to stay out of trouble for practicing therapy without a license. Where is that “Fine line” between “therapy” and “life coaching”?
I do suggest that you seek and continue to seek counseling from professionals and consider being evaluated for medication for depression and/or PTSD if you have not done so already by a LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL.
You would not be “normal” if you did not respond AB-normally to the trauma you have been through.
While LoveFraud IS WONDERFUL, and there is some good advice coming across here it is NOT a replacement for professional licensed evaluation and/or treatment from a mental health professional who has proven they have the legal qualifications to assess, evaluate and treat people who have suffered emotional post traumatic injury from any form of trauma.
I realize it is tough to accept the fact that you may NEVER be able to convince those WOLVES IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING that style themselves as PASTORs (shepherds) of the church, but you may not be able to.
Jesus himself told his followers that “by their fruits ye shall know them” and that the WOLVES IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING would come into the churches and lead people astray with their lies and false teachings, and Bella, you can’t change or fix those people because they are NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU, or to God’s word. They are Narcissistically using the church for their own power and control and it gives them a feeling of power and control. The people who follow them are either like them or are deluded by their false teachings.
YOU can NOT control this or change how these people think or believe. I know that you WANT TO change it, just like I WANTED TO change how my egg donor believed, and how the people in the church we attended believed, but they chose to believe her and a 3 X convicted sex offender ex convict instead of me. Even when I had the evidence to PROVE I WAS TELLING THE TRUTH, they wouldn’t even look at the evidence.
It hurts, but it is something I had to accept. I could not convince them. Some were completely deluded, honestly led astray but others were just so narcissistic that they were not going to believe the truth if it bit them in the butt. My egg donor was among those. She knew the truth and still wouldn’t accept it.
I know I am preaching the same “sermon” over and over, Bella, but accepting what we can’t control is the only way we can come to grips with this. We have to acknowledge we have no control over this, and just accept it and turn it over to God. Let Him deal with it–we may not see the results we want when we want, but I have faith that HE will deal with it in His time. (((hugs)))) and God bless.
LL,
I have not changed, not at all. I am talking about a deep subject and we tend to dip in and out of it here on LF. It’s understandable considering our emotional pain, we want relief from the pain. Humor helps a lot. But I want to validate people who come here who are bearing up under the same pain that I absolutely understand. Can I be light hearted? Yes. BUt This is not the thread at this time. These last few posts are of deeper stuff and I am compelled to respect and acknowledge those experiences b/c it is THOSE deep abuses that I know well and share.
For some people, their pain does not go that deep b/c while they hurt greatly for the Love FRAUD done to them, they weren’t involved with a true spath. Or they got involved with someone who had spath traits but did not get entwined into the catch-22 traps that spaths famously effortlessly spin in multi layers so that even after they are long gone, the traps are still stunning the victim.
Katy, more than a woman
Duped,
Thanks for your post earlier today. Yes, I guess something has really dawned on me, I am indeed making huge strides. My first post on this site was in almost a year ago – I returned, left, returned,, left, and now I’m finally seriously forever crawling out of the big black hole of being with my SPATH. Thank you for seeing it and encouraging me. It feels soooo good.
For crying out loud, Skylar, when you reveal more and more of your story I just can’t believe it. I wish we had a space for individual profiles here, as we all leave bits and pieces of our “Story” all over the place, so when I want to see Bella’s story or LL’s story it’s impossible to find it.
I can’t believe you got out.
I can’t believe there are other human beings out there who make GOOD KIND HONEST human beings suicidal. It happened to me, too. It’s just unbelieveable.
SK
Katy,
I think I may have created a misunderstanding in what I meant by the changes I see. They are positive as far as I see and I wanted to let you know that. I’m still learning how to verbalize things accurately. My neurons, throughout this process, have a tendency to misfire. 🙂
I wasn’t referring to your lighthearted humor, nor occasional sarcasm. I see a new humility in you that’s very beautiful, even through the pain you are in about your child.
That sounds crass but it’s not meant to be.
LL
SK
You really are too! It will be up and down, but you are taking off in really positive directions. You’ll find as time goes on, you’ll get it more and his attempts at trying to harm you or be a nut job, will feel INVASIVE AND VIOLATING! IT WILL PISS YOU OFF!
And that’s when you know you’re finally getting to the finish line of ruminating!
GOOD FOR YOU AND YOUR PROGRESS!! YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!
LL
Superkid
huh? What did I say?
are you referring to my story about the sushi bar man?
That was a miracle to run into somebody who could help me just out of the blue.
but I have a run into other people who also understand what I was saying. complete strangers who said I know exactly what you mean. we are the walking wounded and we are everywhere too.
Thanks so much Guys, for all your kind, loving and supportive blogs to me.Oxy, I know you are totally right, re my SIL. Im now going to just kick back, relax, take my meds, unstress, and be good to myself.
Thanks Hens, LL, OneJoy, and ALL of you.!!
Love you guys,
GemXXX
((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( mama )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Don’t worry about a thang! I think there’s a song that says that LOL! Take care of YOURSELF FIRST. Enjoy your life.
I love you SO MUCH! And you are in my thoughts and prayers everyday!
You’ve lived through enough. Enough is enough is enough, right?
HUGS!
LL