Last week I posted two articles related to the Vienna Presbyterian Church in Vienna, Virginia. Between 2001 and 2005, as many as a dozen teenage girls may have suffered sexual, emotional and spiritual abuse from a church youth director. This year, the youth director was long gone, but church leaders felt that the wounds had not be properly addressed and healed. So a few months ago, the pastor and church issued a public apology.
Lawyers for the church’s insurance company warned the church not to accept responsibility for the failings of the youth director. Doing so, the insurance company said, would jeopardize the church’s coverage in case a lawsuit was filed.
The Vienna Presbyterian Church ignored the demands of its insurance company. On March 27, Pastor Peter James preached a sermon that acknowledged the church’s failings.
“Let me speak for a moment to our survivors,” he said. “We, as church leaders, were part of the harm in failing to extend the compassion and mercy that you needed. Some of you felt uncared for, neglected and even blamed in this church. I am truly sorry ”¦ I regret the harm this neglect has caused you.”
Guess what—so far, none of the young women has filed a lawsuit.
Why not? The case would be a slam-dunk. The youth director pleaded guilty to contributing to the delinquency of a minor. The church accepted responsibility. Several of the now young women have trouble in relationships, because they are still seeking the fantasy that the youth director promised. If they filed suit, they’d win.
My guess is that the women don’t want money. They want to be heard. They want to be validated. And they want to be healed.
Invisible damage
The problem with sociopathic entanglements is that so much of the damage is invisible. Even in cases where we lose money, jobs, homes, and are subject to physical violence, the big wounds are not readily apparent. Before all those obvious injuries occurred, the sociopaths softened us up with emotional manipulation, psychological control and spiritual abuse. These internal wounds not only eat at us, but they make it difficult for us to respond to, and recover from, the obvious physical damage.
After the sociopath, we need to purge our emotional and mental pain. We need internal stability. But when we reach out for help on this level, many of the people around us simply don’t get it.
They don’t understand why we need to talk so much about what happened. They don’t understand how, when we suspected that we were being used, we allowed it to continue. They don’t understand why we are still confused in our thoughts and emotions about the sociopath.
Get over it, they tell us.
These are the people, of course, who are lucky enough to have avoided a direct assault from a sociopath in their own lives. We often understand why they don’t really understand what happened—after all, we were once as clueless as they are. Still, their ignorance of the depth of our pain seems to increase our pain. We feel like we are not being heard, and our suffering is being invalidated.
Debriefing
Karin Huffer, in her book, the Legal Abuse Syndrome, describes this situation in detail in her chapter on “Debriefing.”
Debriefing, she says, is the first step in recovery. In the debriefing process, we tell someone exactly what happened to us, in all the painful detail. Unfortunately, it’s hard to find what Huffer describes as “quality listeners.” These are people who have the ability to hear what we have to say, overriding their own protective filters. She writes:
Protective filters are always at work. If an individual begins to share with another and the data threatens the listener’s feelings of safety, they may try to divert the data or simply not hear it at all ”¦
The function of this protective filter is to maintain the equilibrium of the listener. Victims’ stories shake the foundations that we lean upon in order to feel safe. When it is impossible for friends or family to hear, due to their protective psychological filters shielding them from vicarious pain, the victim feels rejected and alone.
Huffer goes on to describe a formal debriefing process. It’s best done with a quality listener or support group, but an individual can do it alone if necessary.
Support at Lovefraud
I believe that we have many, many quality listeners on Lovefraud. I am always amazed at the thoughtful, comforting and patient comments posted in response to readers who are spilling their traumatized guts.
The reason Lovefraud readers can do this, of course, is because we’ve all been there. We know what it’s like to be deceived, betrayed and assaulted. We know what it’s like to sit amidst the wreckage of what was once our lives. We’re all on the path to recovery, and those of us who are further along help those of us who are just beginning.
Healing, in the end, is an individual journey. To fully recover, we must consciously excavate and examine our pain, and find a way to let it go. But the process is helped immensely when we are heard and validated. I am so glad that Lovefraud offers this to so many people.
Elizabeth
Good luck with your case today.
I agree, maybe this is the time to launch into something really new. My suggestion was telemedicine – you could post on PracticeLInk, or go directly to some of the telemedicine companies like Consult A Doctor, Teledoc, etc. and see if they’re hiring. Telemedicine is growing fast. So you won’t be stabbing somebody in the vein, but you can apply your nursing talent remotely.
Superkid
(((((((((((((((( Lizzy ))))))))))))))))))
Thinking good, POSITIVE thoughts today for you!
LL
wow, so adamsrib’s whole diatribe on here was deleted? It was quite a site to see.
SK
SK-what diatribe? Did I miss something?
Lizzy,
It was sad. Mostly anger from assuming things not said by the other person, and also terribly rude things definitely said. Lack of respect. Refusal to engage in empathy or even trying to see the others perspective. Accusations that were untrue and lots of hurt feelings of rejection. It was not instructive other than example of cyber bullying. And a very good thing to remove. Was not the purpose of LoveFraud. Drama. Just drama.
You did not miss anything.
Katy
Katy-thanks and glad I didn’t see it. That’s a shame and I’m sorry to hear it. I have to admit though that I acted up on here once back in the fall and had to stay away for awhile. It was coming from a bad place in me and thank God that bad place went away. When I came back, it wasn’t so much all about me anymore and I wanted to make sure that I used my bad experiences and things I learned to help other people. That’s really too bad.
Lizzy
I know about last fall. It was me that you were so angry with. I tried to get you to understand I wasn’t a bad person but you were hurting so much, you couldn’t see. Your return was great and look how you are growing. I admire that so much. I think I’ve gained perspective and sometimes I’m a backslider but overall, I progress. Isn’t that what growing up and maturity is all about? We’re here to help each other, to learn, and to be more of ourselves. The mean stuff, I guess I call that growing pains. That other series of posts that got out of hand, for those that feel triggered, I’d say that was pretty triggering.
Looking forward to good news for you. I pray for you all the time.
Best
Katy
Elizabeth,
AR had done many many things over time that raised red flags for me. She was constantly making racist comments for one thing. Then Mommom also began to make strange comments and my head felt like it was on spin cycle. They both disappeared the same day.
Also, what happened to Isurvivedthebastard? Is she gone too? She used to have lengthy conversations with AR.
I wish Donna had not deleted the comments because they were very helpful as guides. These comments can be studied for the type of language and behavior that we on LF can watch for. There were so many contradictory statements flying under the radar.
Without being able to learn from the past, we are doomed to repeat it. We are here to heal and part of that healing is to learn how to recognize and avoid toxic people. It helps so much to alleviate the PTSD, when you can feel safe and trust yourself to recognize red flags. This blog is one of the safest environments to do that. I, personally, learned a LOT from those exchanges and am grateful they happened despite the trauma. That said, Donna has the last word, so I do respect her decision to keep a certain tone on the blog.
Skylar,
While I can agree that some exchanges can be good learning examples, it requires a person to be able to emotionally disengage and too many LF’s are not able to do that. We’re on here, vulnerable and raw with emotion.
Sometimes people see things that just aren’t there. I’ve read accusations and I think, wow someone could say that about me.
Two examples:
1) The statement that it’s an indicator of an spath when someone has no friends. Well, I have no friends. That was partly done to me by my husband who would hijack anyone who thought well of me, and within one conversation with him, even longtime friends HATED me, and never even asked me about whatever they hated me for – which I never knew, I just knew how they treated me from then on. I felt ENORMOUS shame. That was taken as proof that my husbands characterization of me was right. So why did I feel shame instead of anger? B/c I was raised being told there was something wrong with me so no one would like me and when people turn on me, I think wow there’s another person who now knows what’s wrong with me so hating me is excused. Why am I so stupid that I can’t figure out what is wrong with me.
ps My Husband is an spath and he has lots of friends. People fall all over themselves to get with him. He uses charm, good ol boy stuff, and wit to rope people in b/c as a good spath knows, you never know when ya need to use somebody.
2) The accusation of manipulation. In a strict definition, we all manipulate. But again, one of the fallout of living so many years with my husband was my attempt to avoid abuse. It was EXPECTED that I know his mind, so I’d tie myself in in a pretzel trying to decide what he meant or thought or intended. Or I’d try to pre-empt his abuse by explaining why I was innocent to whatever I IMAGINED he was thinking. I also was expected to use the EXACT correct word or whatever was done to harm me was excused. So I worked VERY hard to intuit what he thought. It was a survival defense mechanism that was needed when I was a little girl, and again when with my husband, but I don’t need it anymore. However, as a survival mechanism, it is HARD to turn it off. Now that I am NC with my husband, I rarely fall into that trap these days. Now I catch myself when totally unaware I try to FIX someones cruelty towards me. I never seem to fix it, my explanation seems to affirm them against me. I learned to stop trying to fix things.
I recognize these two dynamics in the conflicts here on LF, I see posters do it to each other. That doesn’t indicate someone is an spath. Rather I these two behaviors as a mark of a possible VICTIM of an spath.
Katy,
I have to agree on your comments about not having friends. For 25 years, I had no friends. Spath made sure of that. He was my one source of “friendshit”. I think he even killed a guy who tried to be friends with me because he knew spath was cheating on me and felt bad. Milt died in a plane crash and spath was there when he took off… Spath’s comment, “well, Milt was always tweeking the carburators on his experimental airplane.”
I have friends now, but I’m still reclusive and choosy, so not a lot.
There will always be comments that are made off the cuff and we are here to correct them in a diplomatic and logical way. There is no need to create drama when someone says, “spaths have no friends”. It’s easy to correct that impression. It wasn’t said with cruelty and it doesn’t create conflict.
The accusation of manipulation is somewhat more difficult to address. But I can tell you one thing. If someone accused me of that, I would say, “please explain how you mean. I wasn’t aware that I was being that way, and if I am, I want to be a better person, can you help me?” OK? That doesn’t mean I’m always going to accept other people’s opinions of me, but I am going to listen with an open mind.
The LF gang the most empathetic, kind and intelligent group, I’ve ever encountered online. There is so much to learn from them. I’ve grown because of these people and am grateful for that opportunity. AR was so obviously not interested in that.